I don't know about you guys, but I have been a $hit bag my whole life and will be when I die!

I worry about me and me alone!! As long as I can pay my bills, and put gas in the boat I no care about the guy down the street!

Sorry but I am not voting!! Did not even reg!

IMO there isn't even a throw away vote this year!! They both suck!! Going to get hit no matter what!
Its got to get worse before it gets better!
No matter if the guy that gets in does good or bad, its going to get worse first! That guy is going to get blamed and who ever is only going to be a 1 term Prez!

I will wait for the next time around thank you.

He won't force anything on you. It's your congressmen that will do that.

Vote Nov.4th! Billy Mac :beer:

sorry Mac and Blue but you have missed the boat all together. First of all a little tid bit that the media will not give you, your taxes, your taxes are going to go up immediatly, How? like this, in 2003 Bush got a tax bill passed that basically eliminated taxes for those making under 40 g's and reduced them across the board for every one, yes even those evil wealthy people Obama wants to lynch in 2009 and take their money and give it to the masses like Fidel.
You see Obama is not saying anything about the fact that he and Pelosi and Reed are going to let the tax cuts expire, on purpose, so all you wealthy guys making 40-200 gs a year bend over because your taxes are going up in 09 by a minimum of 17% which is what you got from that evil Bush.
You see Bush's tax cuts spurred one of the greatest 8 year economic periods in this country since Reagan. But just like Reagan he is strattled with a democratic congress that spent even more than we took in and therefore the deficit grew, and grew.
This economic growth occurred in spite of a tragic attack on our country and two wars we fought. But the economic pickle we are in now is not about Bush's tax cuts, it is not about de-regulation as the media would like you to believe, it is about the liberal control and manipulation of the banking industry and regulating them into massive social engineering, in spite of being warned on 17 occassions by the Bush administration trying to get them to pursue basic common sense banking and fiduciary regulations and being told by Obama, Barney Franks and Chris Dodd and Shumer that it was not needed and that the evil conservatives were trying to hold down the needy people in this country from getting into home ownership.
You see you fellows have fallen into the class warfare psychological bantering that has led the democratic rise to power in this country for decades. What you fail to see is this country does not restrict what anyone makes, it rewards prosperity and entreprnuership and respects the freedoms of the individual to make what he can of himself.

what your party represents now is a socialism disease that has failed miserably all over the world. you want to vote for a man who has a 100% track record of the following, he has assosiated himself with the worst **** that has lived in America, he has assosiated himself with a slum lord who is going to prison in chicago, he has lied thru his teeth to each group he has spoken to and told them what they wanted to hear and you apparently do not care.
He has told you point blank he is spending close to ONE TRILLION dollars we dont have in new government run programs
He has told you point blank that he is raising taxes on the very people who need to create jobs and the ones who drive the economy we all depend on, on the people who are now according to the NY Times you all love so much as the second highest corporate tax penalties in the world and why buisness is moving out of here in droves.
He isa going to do everything possible to remove the second amendment protections you have and I guarantee you confiscations will start shortly after.
He will do nothing but increase the power base of the new democratic party by doing nothing to prevent the illegal immigration in this country

I always respect the opinions of my fellow Americans but has been said before you really need to step back and decide whether you want America or you want France, or the Republick of Germany etc. Whether the things that your fathers and fore fathers fought and died for are worth preserving or do you want Pelosi Reed and Obama Socialist spread the wealth programs in our country
Ask yourselves this also, what would your father or grandfather do with this type of socialist candidate? I think you know
Time to stand up for something besides a so called anti Bush slogan, time to think, your country and your childrens future depend on it, your parents did it right, now we have to

Yes folks, it is time to quit following the media and there agendas.

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And time to quit drinking the kool-aide.

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And think about what is the RIGHT thing to do.

As Mac would say, vote NOVEMBER 4th. But choose wisely, not just something different.

Willy and Ferm, I'm sorry but trickle down just doesn't work for me. McCain tax policy will cost the middle class more.

Vote Nov. 4th! Billy Mac :beer:

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trickle down, come on Mac. Tell me please who ever stopped you from making as much as you had the guts, ambition or drive to make in this country?
No one thats who.
Is life under a free Republic perfect of course not.
maybe you feel that Obama should go to the man who owns the company you work for or your neighbor works for and take half his earning for taking the risk and building a buisness and employing people.
While we are at it lets go into your home and remove any of those offensive firearms you have there, you see The People only applies to what the government determines it applies to.
And then we will have the government advise you on what doctor you see, when you will see him and what it thinks the most cost effective treatment you should get.
8 dollar a gallon gas, oh yea that is the governments plan on forcing you to cut back on its use
Obama says he expects that to happen soon, to bring us in line with the other enlightened socialist nations of europe.
You know, the ones or fathers saved twice from annihalation
Yea what the hell, the black robin hood robs from the rich and gives us all everything we desire, lets put him in office
You see we have a slogan here, or two, its catchy, change, trickle down.
we will use that George Orwell what do you think ? Will it work?

Me and Mac may be drinking the Kool-aide...I give you that. But you guys are GUZZLING it. Albeit a different flavour.

Peace and chicken grease....I'm still not a republican. You can keep trying if you want though.

Here is what I gleam from Willy and Ferms posts:

"Mac and I are not smart enough to listen and think for ourselves so we have to rely on the media to spoon feed us our opinions."

That's just wrong. I refuse to let it hurt my feelings, but it does say something about your desperation to make others follow your political beleifs.

Maybe we shouldn't be talking about politics? :sun:

P.S. Just look back at all of the negative posts re Obama here in off topic. Did any of those come from the media? You better believe it. Somewhere around 100% of em.

Time to start thinking for yourselves boyz. :beer:
You guys hear all of this stuff then spread it around as if it were facts straight out of the Bible (literally). To each his own but I don't see how you could accuse me and Mac of drinkin the Kool aide when you guyz have a purple mustache.

Blue's .02

BlueMan, I know both you and Mac are your own men, never any doubt.
if our discussions made you think I thought otherwise I render an absolute apolgy right here and now.
I do not believe in Kool Aid of any flavor, I am very likely to smack the face of whoever may be pouring it, but what I have seen again and again is friends and even family willing and ready to give up the concepts and freedoms that have made America the greatest country on earth.
Why, because they are not happy with Bush, or a media spin on this or that.
The fact of the matter is there is no perfect country but in all of history there has never been one that has come as close as ours and it is improving constantly.
But when you want to put a devout group of socialists in absolute power in this country it scares and disgusts me.
I am passionate about our freedoms as Americans, and I dont want to see the desire to speed improvement in our way of doing things pervert into throwing the baby out with the bath water.
It may be you are right, maybe a socialist type country is what most people want.
I will not live in one

The wealthy already pay a majority of the taxes...we know that. Some think thats fair.

Heres a link to check out.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/1410.html
Look how many people in America don't pay ANY taxes at all. And, look where that puts up....in a recession. So Obama is gonna make those people pay even less..and thats gonna fix stuff?

Just a thought.

I'm not rich. But I'm not envious of those who are. I hope to be there someday...when and if I am I will KNOW that I worked to get there. I don't want it if its handed to me because they took it from someone else.