Oh, and by the way, Ferm, I agree with you on the unions that they have outlived their noble purpose, and stand firmly in the way of lots of progress in this country.

Do away with the unions and you'll soon be crying to get them back. Because of the unions the life style in the US is what it is. Billy Mac :beer:

What Willy said.

Most of the people I know have a poor lifestyle now because of unions. The unions have driven the labor costs up so much that employers are outsourcing there work(or hiring illegals to do it). Unions have become like our government, they were once a needed neccesity now they have grown to fierce predators looking for ways to survive. Unions need to be updated for the times to bring our industry back. Why should somebody working on an assembly line doing nothing more than pushing buttons get paid $30 an hour? I have a friend who works maybe half the time he's there, and when he does work it is stuff that kids in shop class could easily do. Yet he makes $28 an hour, and gets double pay for anything over 40 hours courtesy of the TEAMSTERS. And we wonder why our stuff costs more? Our whole system needs a rebuild, starting with morals for many people out there. Most parents are not instilling values anymore and teaching there kids what pride is. Instead they hand them a PLAYSTATION and the internet and let them be raised by that. I hated my upbringing when I was a kid(I know it wasn't that long ago either), but now that I'm older I'm glad I have those values.

Is that why everytime we go into negotitions the non union workers always ask us not to lose this or that. I will agree the pedulum did swing too far in the unions favor but without them where would we be. Maybe working at Wal Fart. Billy Mac :beer: