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reelapeelin 05-18-2013 07:50 AM

I like the way yer sealin' those holes!!...why go to all the trouble you have and NOT overkill sealin' the core...gotta be the number 1 cause of transom failure...plus it LOOKS KILLER!!...:clap:

Kracker Jack 05-19-2013 02:23 PM

I actually have 2 projects in 1 happening on this boat. Im also astetically restoring my 1975 135hp evinrude. The whole lower end is getting new seals and painted. the trim and tilt bracket was sand blasted and shown here is etch primed as of today. the whole motor will shot with epoxy kote and then painted Evinrude White. heres some pics of the process.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps705fff41.jpghttp://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps7050ba78.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...psbca355f3.jpg

reelapeelin 05-19-2013 02:33 PM

You do some GREAT WORK, Kracker!!...just me, but if I's paintin' motor and boat, I'd paint 'em same color instead of two different whites...like I said...just me...I can't wait to see it if it PINK!!...lol...:party:

Kracker Jack 05-19-2013 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reelapeelin (Post 203678)
You do some GREAT WORK, Kracker!!...just me, but if I's paintin' motor and boat, I'd paint 'em same color instead of two different whites...like I said...just me...I can't wait to see it if it PINK!!...lol...:party:

reel the boat is gonna rolled with gelcoat and not painted. I might just paint it with a brightside interlux white

tartuffe 05-20-2013 08:06 AM

Nice to have it all coming together at the same time! I'm going to have to wait a season to fix my cowling up. I wish you would go ahead and shoot it with some pearl white so you can tell us how you ended up with great results and save me some reading and sanding. Pearl white with new decals sure would look sharp reflecting those under-gunnel lights

reelapeelin 05-20-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kracker Jack (Post 203700)
reel the boat is gonna rolled with gelcoat and not painted. I might just paint it with a brightside interlux white


Setting aside the process...I just always thought boat color and motor color when the same looked pretty cool custom...;)

Kracker Jack 05-20-2013 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by reelapeelin (Post 203728)
Setting aside the process...I just always thought boat color and motor color when the same looked pretty cool custom...;)

I completely agree with you on the motor color and top side color. Im gonna try and get the color as close as possible. I have a new product Im researching now. I have an engineer at work getting some info on a rubber roof coating that is the same material used to coat fiberglass tanks and industrial equipment. They just used this product on a job and it costs 30 dollars a gallon and is uv stable comes in white,grey and light green. we will see!!!

Kracker Jack 05-21-2013 11:00 AM

well my ultimate goal for finishing my deck was to use a bedliner type/kiwi grip style coating for the floor and deck cap and anchor lockers and other areas. Well after many days of research I have found alephatic product that meets my specs. Its a SRC Tempco roof coating!! thats right a roof coating, its doesnt say MARINE or WEST MARINE on it. Thats because its the same product spec but just in a roofing application. I happen to find a local vender here in va beach who sells this product and he happens to have an account with my work. So after a couple minutes of talking to this rep he is amazed that my application is gonna be on a boat because he has been begging this company to market it for the marine industry. He told me its amazing that an ole country boy like me from pungo would be the one to research this product and drive the nail home as to why it should be used for boat decks. Anyway he is giving me a 5 gallon bucket of this stuff for FREE!!!!!! Yes free!!! he wants me to help him get this on product on boats. This could not only end up being good stuff for my boat but also a buisness adventure!!! So it official, all my top side will be done in a alephatic bedliner type non skid, color will be white.:sly:

draglink 05-21-2013 05:07 PM

Hey Kracker, let us more know about this stuff. I will be putting a new floor in my sons V soon!

Kracker Jack 05-21-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by draglink (Post 203817)
Hey Kracker, let us more know about this stuff. I will be putting a new floor in my sons V soon!

I will. Im picking it up on Friday and will be doing some tests on some things throughout the weekend and hopefully rolling it on the boat by monday.

reelapeelin 05-23-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kracker Jack (Post 203839)
I will. Im picking it up on Friday and will be doing some tests on some things throughout the weekend and hopefully rolling it on the boat by monday.

Nice goin'!!...my only concern is ADHESION...in a roof application, what material is it typically applied to?...will it bond to the present gel coat surface on the floor deck of yer boat?...

Kracker Jack 05-23-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reelapeelin (Post 203899)
Nice goin'!!...my only concern is ADHESION...in a roof application, what material is it typically applied to?...will it bond to the present gel coat surface on the floor deck of yer boat?...

The problem is going be to much adhesion!!! once applied it will take c-4 to remove it!!. they apply this stuff over rubber membrane,masonary,plastics,frp (fiberglass), epoxy and even some asphalt applications. There is gonna be no problem with sticking. This is actually the same alephatic compound as kiwi grip or gorrilla grip just doesnt have the chunky chips in it. Its a smooth surface. comes out finished with a 35 mil. thickness.

draglink 05-23-2013 01:46 PM

Could I have used a similar product on my motorhome roof? If so, that's awesome stuff....I've used it for numerous applications around the house. What color does it go on? The stuff I use is white, sold by gallon or 5 gallon

Kracker Jack 05-23-2013 08:36 PM

The only way I can explain it is that its a polyurethane sealant coating. kinda like 3m 5200, but 5200 is a aromatic witch is not very uv stable and not very color retentive (5200 chaulks up after a while and yellows). this compound is a aliphatic witch was made for top coating aromatics. Being aliphatic makes it a super coating which is highly uv stable and holds its color retention for a very very very long time. Theres only one down fall to this stuff, If i decide to take it off one day its gonna be impossible!!!! lol!!!

Kracker Jack 05-24-2013 10:53 AM

Well the day is good!!! the rep. for SRC drove literally 30 minutes to my house just to give me a free 5 gallon bucket of this coating. he is very anxious to see how my application comes out. He also mentioned if this works out the way he expects it to that he is willing to want to start trying to market this stuff for the marine industry. Kinda exciting thing to be a guinne pig. should be doing some testing on saturday afternoon over raw glass and gel coat. My liner will and side of my cockpit will be primed and painted with perfection but all my imediate deck and cap with rolled with this product.

Destroyer 05-24-2013 08:31 PM

Kracker, is this stuff like RhinoLiner for truck beds? If it is than I put similar stuff on my V21's boat deck 2 years ago and it's amazing how nice it is. And yes, if you ever have to remove it you're gonna hate it.

Kracker Jack 05-24-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 203971)
Kracker, is this stuff like RhinoLiner for truck beds? If it is than I put similar stuff on my V21's boat deck 2 years ago and it's amazing how nice it is. And yes, if you ever have to remove it you're gonna hate it.

Yes its the same stuff but doesnt have as much solids in it than rhino liner has. meaning its not as agressive as rhino lining. Its very feet friendly

Kracker Jack 06-01-2013 07:44 AM

Heres a prime example of a company that put a marine label on the roof coating im using on my boat. Notice it say E.P.D.M chips in it? what do you think rubber membrane is on flat roofs? you got it EPDM. Same $hit just in a different sack.http://www.tuffcoat.net/wordpress/ and did i mention the stuff im using is fire resistant, so if she catches fire were good!!!!! lol!!!

Destroyer 06-01-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kracker Jack (Post 203977)
Yes its the same stuff but doesnt have as much solids in it that rhino liner has. meaning its not as agressive as rhino lining. Its very feet friendly

I didn't use Rhino Liner per sec. I just used that name cause everyone knows the product. For the life of me I cannot remember the name right now and I'm too lazy to look up the thread here where I talked about the product I used and it's name. The product I used is very soft on bare feet. But I can tell you that it goes on easy and once on it will take an act of Congress and the will of God to remove it. It was recommended to me by a friend that owns a marina. He told me they use it on boat decks, the floating docks and the areas around them as a non skid surface. Claimed it was better than anything else they had tried. I'm betting that you're going to be very happy with the results.

Kracker Jack 06-01-2013 12:22 PM

I hope so because it will be on there for a while like you said. This product im using has no aggregate in it so its gonna be nice and comfy on the bare feet.:beer:

Kracker Jack 06-02-2013 07:36 AM

Heres the mptor hanging and stripped, shes ready for priming with zinc cromate.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps659284b8.jpg

Blue_Runner 06-03-2013 10:00 AM

Looking good man...what an epic thread!

Hey, got your message the other day. Did ya'll go? Catch any brown ones? Did you get my PM?

Kracker Jack 06-04-2013 09:39 PM

hey blue, I did not fish down there. A buddy from work went and they did good and caught one that was 72 pounds!!!! I will post pics tomorrow.

RidgeRunner 06-05-2013 07:07 AM

Epic thread, looking over 50 pages worth, I can only fault you for your taste in beer. CL or Nothin for this fat boy. Looking good.. As for fairing with Gelcoat, if you are that close on the glasswork go for it. BUT gel is no where near as easy to sand as fairing putty. Only way to do it and make it shine takes a lotta work. At some point in ?3 coats you have to add the wax to get the gel to cure, graduate your sanding from 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1500, 2000 because you wind up buffing the gel to a shine in the end. Otherwise it will be dull and I don't think going back and adding additional coats of gel after using the wax is advisable. Some other guys add Duratec to the gel I think. Makes it more durable and makes the shine last. if you aren't going to use it as a fairing putty. I got to go back and read Shine's many threads on CSC. He seems to have a grip on it.

Kracker Jack 06-07-2013 10:49 AM

thanks for the info Ridge!!

So I am a thrifty research kinda guy. I like finding products that work but at the same time are easy on the wallet. I am not going to be using the interlux perfection product on my boat because they dont have the color I want so ive switched to a urethane enamel. On the outside above water line and inside liner sides Im gonna be using a paint made by benjamin moore. Its called p22 industrial urethane enamel. After comparing specs with Pettitt Easypoxy and interlux Brightside I have found out that ingrediant wise the benjamin moore product is a step above theses "MARINE LABELED" paints because of the increased polyurethane percentage. The cool thing about the benjamin moore product is that it can be tinted by them any color you want!!!! And the really really cool thing about this paint is that its $34.00 dollars a gallon!!!!! It all goes back to my saying "same $hit , different sack". Shes gonna be getting a paint job here real soon fellas!!!! I realize that enamels are not as durable but it nice when the paint is not gonna be in a high traffic area on the sides of the liner and the hull sides. the floor and cap will be taped in and i will be using the alephatic product in those areas of traffic.

Kracker Jack 06-07-2013 11:41 AM

well completely ignore every thing above!!! LOL! I just got off the phone with the district rep for our area and he is getting ready to paint his regulator with this http://www.insl-x.com/viewProd.asp?prodID=539 its a alephatic 2 part urethane called a urethatic. Its better than alwgrip is what he told me. It can be tinted any color you want and he can get me a huge discount at 60 dollars a gallon. So I guess I will be going with a highly durable paint system.

Kracker Jack 06-24-2013 01:45 PM

Started fairing today!!!!! what a pain in the @$$!!!!!!! all i can say is that its alot of work and freaking sanding!!! cut some holes in my gunwales for my hawse pipes that go thru to my cleats and hotcaoted them. I am so ready for this thing to be done!!!!

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps6680e670.jpg

Kracker Jack 07-13-2013 04:17 PM

Dear V20, I am so sorry that I have put you aside for an old ragged jetski. It will be fixed soon and I will finish you up I promise!!!!! lol!!!:you:

spareparts 07-13-2013 04:56 PM

don't feel bad Kracker, I can't find my v20 thread

bradford 07-13-2013 05:33 PM

I dig the hawse pipes.

reelapeelin 07-14-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spareparts (Post 206116)
don't feel bad Kracker, I can't find my v20 thread


When's the last time ya saw yer V20??...much less the thread??:rain:

Kracker Jack 08-05-2013 11:16 PM

Well Im back fellas!!! its been a while!! Lifes complications has put the boat on hold for the past month. I will be starting the boat back up in couple days and will not stop until it is done!! finish pics coming soon

Kracker Jack 08-26-2013 08:45 PM

WOW!!! Its been a while!!! been helping a buddy get his kencraft together forsale. but here is some pics of the motor transom bracket that has been painted and the trim and tilt parts. I used the Moeller color vision gloss white out of a rattle can and it came out awesome! all parts still need to be wet sanded and sprayed with the moeller clear coat
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...psfc8c4f12.jpg



http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps67ecb6c2.jpg

Kracker Jack 08-28-2013 08:48 PM

rolled 2 coats of this urethatic rubber surface on the inside of the console tonight. holy cow this stuff is tuff as nails. I really think im gonna roll the whole topside with this stuff. it easy as crap to touch up if it is needed. It chemically reacts to moisture, meaning the higher the humidity the faster this stuff set off and the harder it sets off. Its some pretty cool stuff. im trying to pratice on some hidden stuff so i get my technique down.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps5648df55.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps68dc3483.jpg

Kracker Jack 09-10-2013 09:16 PM

Made a temoplate for my transom wash board today out of an old sheet of FRP. thie template will be tranferred to a piece of 1 inch thick starboard for my final piece.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...pse2961537.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps719f8448.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps48c6973a.jpg

kamikaze 09-11-2013 07:22 AM

Seems your giving up a lot of restate in the transom area for a splash board. Why not move it aft more and use a drop door to provide the necessary room for the engine when it is tilted up for transport/storage?

Kracker Jack 09-11-2013 09:21 PM

thought about doing a drop door and it still can be done. Right now where it sits is only 12 inches off the transom whick really isnt alot. Ive mock fished the boat and have rod holders layed out and it seems that every thing is easily reachable. Im gonna mock the motor up again before I place the washboard and then I will take pics. let me know what ya think.

draglink 09-12-2013 06:35 AM

Looking great Kracker!!

I am still plucking along on my sons V project. I am going to add a splash well similar to that to his. He has the fishboxes in the back that I have to work around, but shouldn't be a big deal.

Side note: I see you still have EXCELLENT taste in beer. This is a motivational Natty pic for you when you splash

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49...psb014f094.jpg

Kracker Jack 09-16-2013 09:20 PM

heres the wash board all finished up. I will fabricate the starboard cleats that get mounted to the liner to hold the washboard in place.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps4a3e49ea.jpg

Kracker Jack 09-27-2013 09:20 PM

after a very very long build process i was finally able to apply my epocy primer tonight!!! very excited because for me this is a mile stone. After moving to the new house and getting settled then a break up right at the time my lease ended forced me to move out again so life has been very complicated lately!!! Imk sure you guys are bored to death with this boat and all of you im sure is ready for me to get this thing done. just want to thank everyone for all your help son far. here are some pics from tonight.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps7070307a.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps5fb83b73.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...psbd6255bf.jpg


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