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[charlie_the_tuna]

hey lumbo, my house is a spanish colonial built in the teens and i have a problem with my stairs. i have two sets of stairs, one to the basement and one to the second floor. they are on top of each other running parallel to each other.
i cut some 2x8's on a 45 and shored up the basement stairs because they started to sag on one side but the stairs leading to the second floor are not level. they seem to be, not caving in but just kinda sinking on one side. the side on the outside wall of the house seems to be ok but the side on the vestibule is just coming down. structurally, they seem fine but at some point my wife wants us to move upstairs and i figure i should try to fix before it gets too bad.

what do you do in a situation like this?

jack them up somehow?

i installed replacement windows and siding for years but saving an old house is beyond my know how.

[chumbucket]

Might need a Lally column or two under the wall on the sagging side Charlie.

[macojoe]

He so gay he think the lolly column is something to lick!! :nut:

[charlie_the_tuna]

i dont know where im gonna put em or how im gonna jack em up. this is a view as you walk in the house.


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/fishmaster63/DSCF0008-1.jpg

[charlie_the_tuna]

this is looking up the stairs. believe it or not the camera is held level.



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/fishmaster63/DSCF0009.jpg

[charlie_the_tuna]

this is looking down the basement stairs just under the other stairs.



http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/fishmaster63/DSCF0010.jpg

[charlie_the_tuna]

if you look closely in the second picture you can see the stairs coming of the wall on the left side.

[tsubaki]

Are you sure the problem lies only with the lower joists?

I live in dryrot and termite heaven, usually the problems (at least around here) is a multiple thing.
House foundation settleing, sills seperating from the floor level, etc.
Have you poked around and made sure there aren't any other problems causing this?

[macojoe]

I think you will be tearing into that wall on the right, You going to need to rebuild it and level it for new stairs. Foundation must be settling for some reason on that side?

[tsubaki]

Yeah, I can't make no sence of it not actually being there.
Look also if the walls seem to have gotten farther apart in some locations.
Don't be surprised if the house ain't square or level, few actually were (mine ain't, it was added on to in 1957)
Have someone help you (or drive a nail) pull a string tight from one end of the room to the other in every possible direction, measure or eyeball and see if the problem keeps showing up in the same place.
Normally you see this problem on exterior walls where the nails have rotted off, not on the interior side of the stairs

[lumberslinger178]

Hey Chuck ,
looks like the sagging towards the right going to the second floor...... hmmm sounds like you may just need a little extra beef under th handrail side in the basement.
with the age of the house it will never be perfect without major work . I'd say just get one of those colums that you can adjust ... and just give it a half turn or a quarter turn once a week of so.

btw I like the newel post looks like chestnut.

[msbhammer]

You need to reinstall the smoke alarm that is missing on the ceiling in the first picture.

[parishht]

CTT, I live in an old brick farmhouse built in 1820.
I have the same broblem with all my walls and stairs.
The best you can do is to shore up the main beams in the basement.
Jack them slowly to get them were you want them.
only go about 1/2 to 3/4 inch at a time.
I have a center chimney which the main beam is into
and the joists are on top of the sill.
dryrot over the years has eaten away at the ends and the floors are like ocean waves.
I am leveling everything in steps so as not to do any major damage.