BGA is Looking for a Center Console

[Bygracealone]

Hey guys,

If you come across a good deal on a center console, I'd appreciate it if you let me know.

I'm looking for something from 20-23 ft (ideal would be 21-22) and between $5-6k, preferably powered by J/E, but not necessary. T-top preferable as well...

Here are a few I've been looking at; opinions are welcome.

If this guy would take $6k, I'd be on it (I don't know why he refers to it as a nice "starter boat"):

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/560012675.html

This one's nice, but only 19 feet...

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/559408229.html

Who knows how much this one will end up going for???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/wellcraft-v-20-boat_W0QQitemZ180215369782QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 180215369782

I would love an Aquasport 222 CCP:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320216535875&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=011

Hammer, no Bayliners buddy...

Steve

[Skools Out]

just emailed you a nice 23' Sea Ox Center Console for $4500 OBO

[THEFERMANATOR]

just emailed you a nice 23' Sea Ox Center Console for $4500 OBO
Looks like SKOOLS got your back on this one. It can't get much better for what your after.

[Bygracealone]

Thanks Skools. I emailed the guy for a few more details and pics since the ones he posted turned out like negatives...

You don't think that's too old of a boat? I know those things were built like tanks, but 1978 is pretty old...

[Bygracealone]

Here's another one I've been considering:

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1987-Chris-Craft-213%20Sea%20Hawk-89933719

[macojoe]

If you find a good fiberglass boat and it was taken care of a 1901 is not to old!!!!!!!!!

I like my Sea Ox so far, I have invested a lot into this boat and I only been in it 6 times!! But I can tell she is a winner!

What you waiting on with the last boat you posted? It looks great!

[Bygracealone]

What you waiting on with the last boat you posted? It looks great!

Waiting for two things:

1. Most important: the collective wisdom of our esteemed group :-)
2. To see if the guy has a trailer for her. I'm thinking he doesn't.

[Skools Out]

my sea ox you saw is a 77 and it's hull is 3 times as thick in glass as our V20's much better built boats, but heavy. will out last you for sure.

[Bygracealone]

Thanks for that Skools.

Hey, Iboats has the following info on that sea ox:

The 1978, 2300 Center Console is a 22.58 foot outboard boat. The weight of the boat is 1980 lbs. which does not include passengers, aftermarket boating accessories, or fuel. The max rated horsepower of this boat, as listed by the manufacturer, (according to records we have) is 240 hp .

Do you know the size of the beam on that baby?

[macojoe]

NADA only goes as far back as 1980, but says:

Boats and Personal Watercraft
1980 SEA OX
SEA OX 230
Outboard Boats



Length: 23' Model Name/Description: SEA OX 230 Boat Type: Outboard Boats Hull Material: Fiberglass Beam: 8' 6" Engine: N/A Net Weight: 4000

[Bygracealone]

Woe! That's a big difference in specs! 1980 pounds versus 4000 is huge. That's a monster beam size as well. I'm liking this boat...

Based on what Skools has said and what MJ has just posted, I tend to think Iboats has it wrong...

[spareparts]

my father had a 79 Comercial model 20 ft SeaOx, it was the slowest, roughest riding, wettest boat i have ever run.

[wpearch]

Hey guys,

If you come across a good deal on a center console, I'd appreciate it if you let me know.

I'm looking for something from 20-23 ft (ideal would be 21-22) and between $5-6k, preferably powered by J/E, but not necessary. T-top preferable as well...

Here are a few I've been looking at; opinions are welcome.

If this guy would take $6k, I'd be on it (I don't know why he refers to it as a nice "starter boat"):

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/560012675.html

This one's nice, but only 19 feet...

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/559408229.html

Who knows how much this one will end up going for???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/wellcraft-v-20-boat_W0QQitemZ180215369782QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 180215369782

I would love an Aquasport 222 CCP:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320216535875&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=011

Hammer, no Bayliners buddy...

Steve
1991 Sea Ray 21 Laguna 175 hp merc new T top and cover michigan boat fresh water only Pm me for more info

Wpearch

[Stillrunning]

Hey guys,

If you come across a good deal on a center console, I'd appreciate it if you let me know.

I'm looking for something from 20-23 ft (ideal would be 21-22) and between $5-6k, preferably powered by J/E, but not necessary. T-top preferable as well...

Here are a few I've been looking at; opinions are welcome.

If this guy would take $6k, I'd be on it (I don't know why he refers to it as a nice "starter boat"):

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/560012675.html

This one's nice, but only 19 feet...

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/559408229.html

Who knows how much this one will end up going for???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/wellcraft-v-20-boat_W0QQitemZ180215369782QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 180215369782

I would love an Aquasport 222 CCP:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320216535875&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=011

Hammer, no Bayliners buddy...

Steve

Have you ruled out the first boat on craigs list the mako. If not that might be the perfect boat for my dad, but did not want to if your still interested.

[Bygracealone]

Stillrunning,

Thank you for being so courteous. If you don't mind, that boat is still at the top of the list. I just emailed the guy. If you'd give me just a couple days, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

Steve

[Bygracealone]

What do you guys know about the Sea Ray Laguna that Pearch mentioned?

[randlemanboater]

You finally get the V in the water and now you are looking for something else? What's up BGA?

[Bygracealone]

Yeah, I don't know what's up with me RM... Right after I bought the dually, I already had the itch for a center console. I don't know what it is about center consoles, but I really like them. If I find one and buy it, I'll be putting the v up for sale come Spring. The only reason I'm looking now is because this seems to be the time to buy, given the season and the recession... should be able to find a great deal.

[kamikaze]

BGA:

I know it more than you wanted to spend but It can't hurt to see how much room he has? Plus he's relatively close to you

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/boa/569903695.html

Kamikaze

[Bygracealone]

BGA:

I know it more than you wanted to spend but It can't hurt to see how much room he has? Plus he's relatively close to you

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/boa/569903695.html

Kamikaze

Hey Kamikaze, thanks for the note. That boat has been for sale for over a year. I contacted them last Summer or early Fall and they wouldn't budge much on the price...

[kamikaze]

BGA:

Take a road trip and slap your motor on this one. I know you like those Aquasports! And while your down there we both know where there is a t-top with 4 rod holders in great condition for 500.00?

http://tampa.craigslist.org/boa/570411565.html

Kamikaze

[kamikaze]

BGA:

It took me a while to re-find it but I like this one.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/boa/555792506.html

Kamikaze

[spareparts]

i used to work at a Sea Ray dealer and I really liked the Laguna's. Well built, solid ride, great fishing platform. Down side is most searay customers pay way too much for their boats because it says searay on the side, theyare allmost as bad as Whaler customers. Watch the prices and you might find a deal on one. Be carefull when comparing the Laguanas, they did some weird things with the lengths, the earlier 17s were bigger than the later 18's and the earlier 20's were bigger than the later 21's. And in case you wondered, the white SR motors are just mercurys.
Check this site time to time, there are some deals to be found on here every once in a while
http://www.charlestonfishing.com/forum/classViewAds.asp?catID=1

[wpearch]

photos of the searay

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff116/wpearch/DSC01705.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff116/wpearch/DSC01703.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff116/wpearch/DSC01702.jpg

[Bygracealone]

BGA:

Take a road trip and slap your motor on this one. I know you like those Aquasports! And while your down there we both know where there is a t-top with 4 rod holders in great condition for 500.00?

http://tampa.craigslist.org/boa/570411565.html

Kamikaze

Tempting buddy, I know that trip well, but I'd have to also find a trailer :-(

[Bygracealone]

BGA:

It took me a while to re-find it but I like this one.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/boa/555792506.html

Kamikaze

Thanks for taking the time to look for this Kamikaze! I emailed the guy for more info...

[spareparts]

that 20 Laguna is a big 20, but its not a whole lot bigger than a V

[Skools Out]

been out on a guys 24 Luguna at the beach not the best boat in rough water. plus sea ray has thin hulls. do ya want a pic of the bottom of one with a hole in it to see how thin they are lol got one . heck come buy my 250 sea ray Fisherman it's a rare hull for SR.

[Bygracealone]

Skools,

Thinner hull than a V? How does it compare to the V in handling rough water?

Thanks for all the responses guys; very helpful and much appreciated.

[THEFERMANATOR]

I've been in a 250 SEARAY in a mild chop. It involved a trip to the chiropractor afterwards. The SEARAY I re-did last year was the same hull as SKOOLS's 250, not a soft riding boat IMHO. This one here is a little bit more money and a bit far away, but right up your alley. If he'd come down on his price to say $5K I'd be all over it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63726&item=260210506320

[Bygracealone]

I've been in a 250 SEARAY in a mild chop. It involved a trip to the chiropractor afterwards. The SEARAY I re-did last year was the same hull as SKOOLS's 250, not a soft riding boat IMHO. This one here is a little bit more money and a bit far away, but right up your alley. If he'd come down on his price to say $5K I'd be all over it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63726&item=260210506320



Ferm, I saw that one and was attracted, but never heard of Oceanic. Do you know anything about it?

[THEFERMANATOR]

It looks like a solid built boat, but definately is not a copy of the famous BERTRAM 20 footer. Nowhere near enough deadrise on it to be a BERTRAM copy. It looks rather similiar to a HYDRA SPORT to me, which is a good hull.

[Stillrunning]

Stillrunning,

Thank you for being so courteous. If you don't mind, that boat is still at the top of the list. I just emailed the guy. If you'd give me just a couple days, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

Steve

No Problem, if you don't go after that boat let me know as its in my area and my did is looking for something to run up and down the river.

[Bygracealone]

SR, check your PM's when you get a second.

[kamikaze]

BGA:

here's another dusky in Rhode Island. Not sure if it's still avaiable or not but it looks clean

http://www.nbssportfishing.com/vBforum/f34/23-dusky-center-console-tower-trailer-5900-a-6171/

Kamikaze

[macojoe]

Dusky looks nice!! I just called the guy to see if its still there? He wasn't in but I left a name and # to see if he calls back.

I still say Sea Ox! But I am a little bias :love:

[Bygracealone]

That Dusky looks nice, as does the other one Kamikaze posted. Those boats look pretty big, maybe a bit too big of a boat for me (as far as towing is concerned). This last one has a nice looking tower on it, but I don't know what use it would be to me. I suppose it could be removed and sold and replaced with a normal T-top... Plus, the guy said he'd deliver within 300 miles (for a fee) maybe he'd go 400?... Let's see if the guy gets back to MJ.

[greateastern]

I do not post much on this site, being I sold my V-20 a while ago. I have since replaced the V-20 with a Hydrasports 1750 Vector Center. Let me tell you the Hydrasports team know how to build a boat my 1750 makes the trip from Montk. NY to Block Island and she loves 2-3.5 foot chop and all is dry. Moriches Inlet NY a walk in the park for her. If you are looking to make the move to a CC check out Hydrasports Vector boats.

[Bygracealone]

Thanks for the plug Greateastern. I've heard nothing but good things about the Hydra Sports. Because of this, they're typically a bit on the expensive side. Sounds like they're probably worth it though...

[Bygracealone]

Here's another one I've been considering:

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1987-Chris-Craft-213%20Sea%20Hawk-89933719



I just got word that the Chris Craft was sold a while ago; they forgot to remove the ad. Oh well, the guy said there was some flex in the transom, so I probably wouldn't have bought it anyway...

[macojoe]

Have not heard a thing on the Dusky??

Take your time there is a lot out there!!

[Bygracealone]

Have not heard a thing on the Dusky??

Take your time there is a lot out there!!

Will do MJ...there are a whole lot of options

[THEFERMANATOR]

There are ALOT of boats out there right now, and it seems like twice as many more show up each day for sale. That 23 DUSKY looks SWEEEETTT!!! I LIKE IT ALOT!! I was talking to a guy about a 20 foot HYDRA-SPORTS here last week, but I guess it already sold. A 20' HYDRA-SPORTS VECTOR is one HE!!! of a boat for a 20 footer.

[randlemanboater]

Just watch out for the Hydro Sports with the Kevlar hulls.

Kevlar works well for stopping projectiles but didn't work out so well as a boat hull.

[macojoe]

The guy called on that 2nd Dusky in RI, it has been sold!

[Bygracealone]

Thanks for passing that along MJ. Much appreciated.

[willy]

Randall fill us in on the kevlar, the Hydra Sport Vector is the kevlar reinforced hull and I can tell you from two people I know that have had them for a few years, one a 23footer that they are considered one of the best hulls on the water at any price.

[Mulv80]

Man that Dusky for $5,900 was a steal.

[kamikaze]

BGA:

I newer 22' Angler with T-Top in Tampa. Very reasonable price

http://tampa.craigslist.org/boa/574817884.html

Kamikaze

[Mulv80]

My brother has an 1987 22' Angler W/A same hull as the center console. His boat rides excellent, and has held up well despite what some will say abour Angler.

[Bygracealone]

BGA:

I newer 22' Angler with T-Top in Tampa. Very reasonable price

http://tampa.craigslist.org/boa/574817884.html

Kamikaze

Thanks Kamikaze! There's gotta be something wrong with that boat, right? Doesn't that seem extremely underpriced? It's a 1997! I sent a message to him just a moment ago, waiting to hear back.

If this thing checks out, I think it would be a screaming deal...

I've heard some of the guys complain about the Anglers on this board and I welcome any further thoughts folks might have...

[spareparts]

I've never worked on them, so I don't have any first hand experiance with them, but I do know the dealers ship for them around here was passed around like a bad case of the clap. From what I heard, there are built by all the people that Tracker didn't keep when they bought out Mako, don't know this to be fact, just what I heard

[kamikaze]

BGA:

I agree the price is low but don't forget the ad doesn't say anything about a trailer.

Kamikaze

[Bygracealone]

BGA:

I agree the price is low but don't forget the ad doesn't say anyhthing about a trailer.

Kamikaze

Yeah, I caught that and asked him about it. Even if I have to buy a used trailer, it's still very reasonable, don't you think?

[kamikaze]

BGA:

I agree, If the engine and hull checks out it's a steal. But I'll still perfer the Dusky (I like closed transoms) However, up where you are in the bay it doesn't get more then 4 feet deep and waves are but no existent - so I'm sure the Angler will be fine!:you:


Kamikaze

[THEFERMANATOR]

I had a 78 19' ANGLER CC once, it wasn't a great boat. But the one I had had been worked over and beat over pretty good before I got it. I know down here in FLORIDA they aint regarded that highly. If you need somebody to check out a boat in TAMPA, it isn't that far for me. I'm only about 20-25 miles from there. As for the KEVLAR hulls, I've only heard 2 bad things about them. Ther whole hull isn't KEVLAR, just the KEEL, lifting strakes, and some of the other main structural points have a layer of KEVLAR in them. They tend to be lighter because of the lesser amount of glass cloth needed for strength, which in turn makes them ride over the waves a bit more. And if you get any hull damage, KEVLAR acts like a sponge and will soak up water. If the hull is cared for though, they are pretty much golden and a favorite down here in FLORIDA.

[Bygracealone]

Ferm,

Thank you for the very kind offer. I think I will take you up on it once I hear back from the seller. That would be a great help to me. If I were to buy it, I'd definitely owe you a couple rounds of beers upon picking her up. :beer:

By the way, you wouldn't happen to know of anybody selling a decent tandem trailer at a reasonable price down there, would you?

[spareparts]

BGA, I've been looking everywhee looking for a decent boat in your price range, but I keep coming up with nothing worth the price. Considering the fact that anything you buy is going to be an uncertain comodity, why not keep your V, at least you know what you have. Wait a little while till you can get in a little higher price bracket. The way the motors are costing, any late model motor is out of your price range by itself, let alone bolted on a boat. I've seen several decent deals on late 80's early 90's Grady's that have been repowered with newer engines( not real new, but newer) for around 10,000. In the 6500 range, your going to be hard pressed to find a better boat than a V

[spareparts]

hey, i just found this C-hawk,( just proved my last post wrong) its a little out of your range, but they are tough boats
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/boa/574869643.html

[Bygracealone]

hey, i just found this C-hawk,( just proved my last post wrong) its a little out of your range, but they are tough boats
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/boa/574869643.html

Funny, I came across the very same boat earlier today. I love the lines on the C-Hawks. I emailed the owner, she sent me a couple pics, but only of the outside. She said she'd take some more pics tomorrow. Who knows? Maybe she'll take considerably less? You never know, right?

[Bygracealone]

hey, i just found this C-hawk,( just proved my last post wrong) its a little out of your range, but they are tough boats
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/boa/574869643.html

BGA, I've been looking everywhee looking for a decent boat in your price range, but I keep coming up with nothing worth the price. Considering the fact that anything you buy is going to be an uncertain comodity, why not keep your V, at least you know what you have. Wait a little while till you can get in a little higher price bracket. The way the motors are costing, any late model motor is out of your price range by itself, let alone bolted on a boat. I've seen several decent deals on late 80's early 90's Grady's that have been repowered with newer engines( not real new, but newer) for around 10,000. In the 6500 range, your going to be hard pressed to find a better boat than a V

Spare, I totally hear what you're saying. Believe me, I do. My biggest reason for shopping now has a lot to do with the current market. I think that if I'm going to buy a boat, this is a good time to buy. First, it's still Winter in many parts, so not a huge market to sell in; not a lot of people are looking for boats in the Winter. Second, and sadly, times are difficult financially for a number of folks right now; unfortunately, this means a number of people have to give up many of their hobbies, including boating. I hate what is happening to folks. That said, it's a good market to be shopping in. Truth is, I don't think I'll ever be able to afford a $10k boat; it could happen, but it's really hard for me to see given the way things are in my life. Right now, I can borrow just enough to be able to buy a $6500 boat. So, if I find something decent at a decent price, then I'll jump on it and then hope to pay back all or most of the loan through the sale of my V in the Spring... But if something doesn't come along, then I'll just stick with what I've got, which isn't a bad thing at all. I do like my V...

[THEFERMANATOR]

Don't know of any decent trailers right now, wish I did though. Trailers are just about golden down here since the hurricanes a few years back.

[macojoe]

here is one in Mass? How big you looking?? Sorry no pictures

24' CTR CONSOLE HYDRA-SPORTS, 1982
1995 175hp Evinrude Ocean Runner. Compl rebuilt, 12 hrs on motor. Comes w/tandem trlr. $4600/bo; Call aft 5PM. (Marshfield) 781-837-3440

[chumbucket]

here is one in Mass? How big you looking?? Sorry no pictures

24' CTR CONSOLE HYDRA-SPORTS, 1982
1995 175hp Evinrude Ocean Runner. Compl rebuilt, 12 hrs on motor. Comes w/tandem trlr. $4600/bo; Call aft 5PM. (Marshfield) 781-837-3440
That one's right down the road from me.

[Bygracealone]

That Hydra sounds nice also! Anybody know anything good or bad about the early 80's models? I was hoping to be at least in the mid-80's, but beggars can't be choosers...

Wouldn't it be a bit underpowered by a 175? I suppose I could always swap with my 200...

I saw a picture of one once and it looked really nice and it was huge... Maybe a little too big, but we'll see...

[THEFERMANATOR]

The real early HYDRA-SPORTS had some problems with all of the wood coring in them as of late. Around the mid 80's(approximately 85-86), they got there construction methods down pat so long as there was damage done to them. I recently went and looked at a 24 HYDRA-SPORTS cuddy, it was in nice condition except for the fact that somebody had added a swim platform and didn't seal it right. It had a ROTTEN transom in it!, but the rest of the hull was nice. As MJ said, a cared for boat is priority number 1.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Well if you have a need for some serious speed, then this one may be for you BGA. 60 oughta be possible with this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hydro-Sport-24-Offshore-Inshore-Boat_W0QQitemZ320219375201QQihZ011QQcategoryZ63726 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://i3.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/da/fa/deb0_12.JPG

[Bygracealone]

:oh:

Wow! Yep, that thing should be able to fly...

A bit too much for me. I've been there with the twin engine setup and I don't ever want it again. It's bad enough trying to take care of one and hoping it never breaks down on you; two is double the headache...

I really like the hull design on that boat. Does it really only have a six foot beam? Looks bigger than that in the pic.

Thanks for continuing to keep me in mind!

[THEFERMANATOR]

I looked at the same hull last week but in a cuddy. It has an 8' beam to it(maybe a hair more). The gunnels in them are a little low for my liking, they came to about an inch above my knee(I'm 5'11"). I like the gunnels to hit about mid thigh to be comfortable. You could always get it and take 1 engine off of it. They say a single 200 will cruise around the low to mid 20 knot cruise, with a top end near 35 knots. It is a good hull for lower power but in a larger hull. Somebody has obviously worked on that hull in the ad, I don't believe they ever offered them with a full transom in an outboard set-up. Brackets didn't really start becoming mainstream until the mid to late 80's. And it's only rated for 350HP MAX, 450HP isn't to bad I guess. Sort of like SKOOLS putting 450HP on a 248 that was rated for 300HP origanally.

[Bygracealone]

Good point about only using one engine... That would work and it would be nice to have a spare motor... hmm...

[phatdaddy]

BGA, i had a 21' hydra-sport before i bought the v20(w/ e235) kevlar hull & it was the best riding & driest cc i had ever been on. the down side was the low gunnel's and the v was so sharp, that when 2 guys were fishing on one side, it felt like it was going over. i owned it about 2 years & sold it for a cuddy v2o when my daughter was born. that was 19 years ago and i still see that boat in the bay today (diff motor). the only thing i heard about the kevlar hulls were any repairs had to be done with epoxy or vinylester resin & then painted.

[Bygracealone]

Thanks for that note Phatdaddy. I'll certainly keep that in mind.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Well BGA, it looks as though I was wrong about the 24 HYDRASPORT. I asked him about the transom and fuel burn numbers, this was his answer.

Top speed one person half tank 70 mph. 10 gph at 35mph offshore 5gph per side. The lmf 200 is a lifesaver when it comes to getting the most for your money as far as gas goes. The hull is solid as a rock, no soft spots. The transom was rebuilt to take the two o/b. That is soild as a rock too. This is a great boat and it has served me well. I have never had it tear up or leave me stranded before. If it wasnt for needing to buy a house i would not be selling it. Thanks Josh 706-818-0343

Now that's cookin! Not bad fuel burn numbers either.

[Bygracealone]

Ferm,

Those are surprisingly good numbers. I'm actually quite amazed. This boat could be a possibility. I'll be watching it on Ebay. I imagine the reserve will be up there on her... We'll see.

Thanks for passing on the info from the owner.

[macojoe]

Email the owner from ebay and ask what the reserve is most will tell you!! I have many times!! Its stupid for them to do a reserve any way!! they get people bidding for nothing to try to see what it is, he might want 10K and save you time from looking, reserver bids are stupid and I have told a few that also!
:bsflag:

[Bygracealone]

I totally agree MJ... It was clever when it first came out, but everybody is about done with it by now...

[THEFERMANATOR]

Or you could give him a call, his number is in the Email I posted.

[Bygracealone]

Reserve is $8k :sad:

However, that's very reasonable considering the twin engines...

[macojoe]

Next!!!!!!!!!

[wpearch]

http://detroit.craigslist.org/boa/582723655.html

[kamikaze]

Here's one that will make MJ happy!

http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/581972137.html

Kamikaze

[Bygracealone]

Yeah, I saw that one earlier today. I emailed the guy, but I'm waiting for a response... Says he has a trailer that he could sell; trying to see what he would want for it... Also would like to see the interior...

[macojoe]

Yep they nice, watch out for the decks a lot of soft ones on the sea ox, i have one samll sopt nothing to worry about.

And I have a 115 gal gas tank!!! Mine 1984 23 w/a

[Bygracealone]

I'm keeping an eye on this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/20-foot-hydra-sport-center-console_W0QQitemZ140210501756QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem140210501756

[Bygracealone]

I'm keeping an eye on this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/20-foot-hydra-sport-center-console_W0QQitemZ140210501756QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem140210501756



Reserve is $8500 :nut:

[THEFERMANATOR]

I'm keeping an eye on this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/20-foot-hydra-sport-center-console_W0QQitemZ140210501756QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem140210501756

:drool: Wish I had the money. That there is a NICE boat. I have an identical hull, but it needs work(lots of work). I can tell you one thing though, I have NEVER rode in a 20 footer with a better ride(sorry to my V-20 breatheren here). They have a draw back though, they require quite a bit of HP to push them. A 225 will still only get you into the mid to upper 40's(if your lucky).

[Skools Out]

here ya go BGA 22' MAKO Center Console - $3950

http://outerbanks.craigslist.org/boa/584978044.html

[Bygracealone]

Thanks Skools. I saw that one too; it needs the whole deck to be redone. Not sure I have what it takes (skill or will)...

[THEFERMANATOR]

I tell you BGA, that there 20 HYDRASPORT shore is growing on me. It is set-up EXACTLY how I wanted to do mine. She's PURTY!, unlike mine.

[Bygracealone]

Ferm, I know... the thing looks bad to the bone. If I had the money, this one would be there on the list...

[kamikaze]

BGA:

How about a couple of good pieces to start with.

http://spacecoast.craigslist.org/boa/591725711.html

Or one closer to home that needs a little work but if the price is right he's giving it away.

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/boa/591103271.html

Kamikaze

[Bygracealone]

Wow! there's gotta be something really wrong with that Dusky. The tri-axle trailer alone is worth the $3k he's asking. Nice boat, but too much boat for me. As Kamikaze said, if things did check out, this guy is giving this boat away.

As for the other boat, I like it, but I'm still hesitant to run down to FL to pick up a boat. I did it once and it was no fun...

That said, what do you guys know about the Logic boats?

[spareparts]

tuperware boats, made out of ropalene plastic. everyone I've seen that had a small one liked it, I haven't met anyone with a big one that was too happy

[wpearch]

Wow! there's gotta be something really wrong with that Dusky. The tri-axle trailer alone is worth the $3k he's asking. Nice boat, but too much boat for me. As Kamikaze said, if things did check out, this guy is giving this boat away.

As for the other boat, I like it, but I'm still hesitant to run down to FL to pick up a boat. I did it once and it was no fun...

That said, what do you guys know about the Logic boats?

I agree mine was the trip from h***
Bill

[THEFERMANATOR]

The DUSKY appears to have potential, but it isn't a center console. The other one is a definate no in my book, look at the plate on the transom.

[Bygracealone]

Hey boys,

I just thought I'd let you know that I'm on hold for a short while in shopping for the next boat.

We decided to add on to our house, so I have to wait for all my loan stuff to be settled before I'll have access to cash for the next boat.

Anyway, thank you all for the help you have given. I'll let you all know once I'm able to start shopping again.

Cheers!

[Bygracealone]

Okay, I'm back in the market... Going to look at a 91 20' Hydrasport tomorrow or Wednesday. The tilt/trim is going bad on it, so it would mean some work for me. I'd likely try to fix/replace tilt/trim then swap motors with the V20. Motor is a 91 Evinrude 225.

Saw this one yesterday. Given the market, I hit for the wall and offered him $5500 seeing as I'd have to spend $1k to $1.5k for a trailer... He said no and that he was going to stick with his price... Motor is only 3 years old, probably less than 10 hours on it, he said. Boat looks nice, he sent pics...

http://cnj.craigslist.org/boa/628987471.html

[kamikaze]

BGA:

Your worse than my wife! your in-your out. I can't keep it straight anymore. :bat:


Kamikaze

[Bygracealone]

I know Kamikaze, I know... Sorry buddy. But this time for real--the wife is on board. I just transferred some funds to the checking account. Should have cash in hand in the next couple of days or so...

Hey, do you guys know anything good or bad about the Sunbird/OMC Neptune boats? I came across one that looks nice, but I have never heard of them before. Some say they're made by the same guy who designed Sea Hunt. Some say Hydrasport used the same hull for their seahorse... Anyway, what do you know? Here's the boat in question:

http://www.ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45986

Also, what about Cobia? Just need a trailer for this one:

http://cnj.craigslist.org/boa/622173522.html

[THEFERMANATOR]

SUNBIRD/NEPTUNE is a HYDRA-SPORT entry level boat. The hulls were designed by HYDRA-SPORTS, but sold under another name after OMC lost HYDRA-SPORTS in the 90's. They are just a basic entry level hull, nothin fancy.

[spareparts]

the Neptunes were built in Columbia SC at the Sunbird plant, they were on par with the Sunbird boats built there( entry level), the one we see around here haven't fared too well, they were not the best of boats available. OMC droped the Sunbird line and started building the Hydrasports there in Columbia. Sea Hunt is built somewhere nearby( can't remember where), one of the chief designers there used to work for Stingray boats( built in Hartsville SC) Sea Hunt is a far better built boat( I've worked on severral) than the Neptunes, and some people don't care for the Hydra Sports built during that time( Red Lightning Stripe), I personally don't have any experiance with the Hydra's of that era.

[Bygracealone]

How comfortable would you guys be buying an older Seabird like this one:

http://www.classicseacraft.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=60298&page=3&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

I'm a bit skeptical about buying such an old boat, even with updates. Are the Seacrafts really that good?

This boat looks like it could be a good deal. Maybe too much boat for me though. I really would like something closer to 20-22 feet.

[THEFERMANATOR]

BGA, that link is to your signature pic.

[Bygracealone]

Doh! I fixed it...

[THEFERMANATOR]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/SeabirdCC/p7140324.jpg
:drool:I seen that one before, just to far away. She looks purdy. We have a member here with one similiar to it, says it looks like an overgrown V-20.

[Bygracealone]

Yeah Ferm, that's true, the flare on that thing does look close to the V20...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/SeabirdCC/Scott2-1.jpg

[Sean]

That is a beutiful boat:love:

[kamikaze]

BGA:

That's not a Mako it's a Seabird. Two different animals . 24' deadrise and a cored hull. Can be lots of work if the core is soaked . Although this boat looks nice though.

Kamikaze

[spareparts]

this might be too big, but its priced pretty good
http://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/635124280.html

Two 150 Yahama 200 Gallon Fuel Capacity Motors
T-Top, Depth Finder, GPS, VHF Radio, Outriggers
Hydraulic Trim Tabs, Hydraulic Steering
1998 Aluminum Loadmaster Trailer http://images.craigslist.org/01010001040401160320080408a57fc7c3ea23a826ad006bf4 .jpghttp://images.craigslist.org/01150001160301030520080408fd80ca8f7cfde4610900a5f1 .jpghttp://images.craigslist.org/01150201040801161320080408498690c739eb991c6f00a980 .jpg

[chumbucket]

That Seabird isn't too far from me Steve.

[Bygracealone]

BGA:

That's not a Mako it's a Seabird. Two different animals . 24' deadrise and a cored hull. Can be lots of work if the core is soaked . Although this boat looks nice though.

Kamikaze

Hi, Kamikaze, you're right, I mistakenly referred to it as a Mako cuz I had just left that site. I got it right the second time around though :-)

The guy took a deposit on it last Sunday...

CB thanks for the note buddy. I appreciate it.

[Bygracealone]

this might be too big, but its priced pretty good
http://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/635124280.html

Two 150 Yahama 200 Gallon Fuel Capacity Motors
T-Top, Depth Finder, GPS, VHF Radio, Outriggers
Hydraulic Trim Tabs, Hydraulic Steering
1998 Aluminum Loadmaster Trailer http://images.craigslist.org/01010001040401160320080408a57fc7c3ea23a826ad006bf4 .jpghttp://images.craigslist.org/01150001160301030520080408fd80ca8f7cfde4610900a5f1 .jpghttp://images.craigslist.org/01150201040801161320080408498690c739eb991c6f00a980 .jpg

Spare, yep way too much boat for this kid! I've done the twin motors before--gone through two sets and I wouldn't want to go through that ever again unless somebody gives me a rig with them and even then, they'd have to be proven trustworthy.

That said, thank you for bringing this boat to my attention. It does look like a sweet deal and I love the lines on that hull.

[Bygracealone]

I know some folks don't like Anglers, but is this worth a look?

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/boa/640995142.html

[Bygracealone]

I need some advice...

There's a 91 Hydra Sport Vector that I'm going to look at tomorrow. I'm ready to buy it, if everything goes well. That said, one major thing has me a little concerned. The motor is a 91 Evinrude (original with the boat) and he said the seals are going bad on the tilt/trim pump. How serious of a job is that? Is that something I ought to pay to have done? I have to remove the motor anyway since I'd be swapping motors with the one on my V20.

Also, he replaced the jumper seat cushions with starboard and the combing pads don't have the upholstery on them, just wood... I realize that's just cosmetic stuff.

Is there anything else I should be looking for in a Hydra Vector?

Thanks boys!

[drj]

Well I don't know how patient you are but from personal experience you dont want to have anything to do with that tilt unit. Maybe try to find a cheap used one. I have a 99 johnson and have had to replace the little things and it was very very tedious and took me a couple of weeks. I couldnt get the plugs out to get into the unit. (and you can't heat much them either aluminum on aluminum will just become a distorted mess.) I was able to get one out using a small chisel and turning it backwards after drilling it. then the other one I had to completely drill out and retap the hole. That wouldn't have been a big deal if it was a standard size tap but it had to be ordered and cost $35 and it had to be filled too. Also the little things that I replaced on mine could only be obtained from the dealer and it cost me $50 for the two specialty screws i had to remove plus i had to get all the little parts and seals that i was replacing in the first place. By that time i could have found a used one. Maybe you would have better luck thats jut what happened to me.

[Bygracealone]

Thanks for the info drj; I will certainly take that into account.

By the way, I think the Angler was sold tonight...

[THEFERMANATOR]

Obviously check the transom and deck, but also make certain to check the fuel tank in a HYDRA-SPORT. They came from the factory with aluminum, but were known to rot out and leak due to the way the fuel tank mounts in. 84 gallon was standard and it is a snug fit in there. They lay right down on the hull bottom and the drainige for the bilge runs right by it. They didn't put a tube under them to direct the water away from the tank. I don't know of a single older HYDRA with the origanal tank still in good shape. The boats them self are pretty solid though.

[drj]

If you check out the things that THEFERMANATOR mentioned and fix the engine i think it will be a great boat. I really like the setup of the hydra sport.

[Bygracealone]

I postponed viewing the Hydra till Thursday or Friday.

Turns out the Angler is still for sale. I may go look at it later today. I'm wondering if that engine has enough power for it? It's a 112 SPL...

[macojoe]

I have a leak in mine also, I just got all the tires off today and will be doing all the berrins tomorrow and getting 4 new tires.

After that I will be moving on to the motor, will see what happens when I get there.

[Bygracealone]

Guys, for those interested, here's the scoop:

I'm going to look at the Angler this afternoon. Guy is asking $7200 OBO. It's a 1997 with a 112 SPL Johnson. Do you think that motor is powerful enough? Has t-top and looks clean from the pics. If the boat checks out, what should I offer him? Here's the link:

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/boa/640995142.html

Here's the 91 Hydra Sport 2000 Vector with the 91 Evinrude with bad tilt/trim pump. The upholstery on the combing pads and jumper seats is gone.

http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134683&highlight=hydra

Lastly, here's a Jones Brothers boat in NC that I may consider after the weekend if it doesn't sell and I don't buy another boat before then...

http://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/636832411.html

All opinions are welcome! Thanks boys...

[randlemanboater]

The Angler looks like a decent boat, wouldn't be a rocket with that motor, a 115 without VRO I believe, but it would be ok.

I'd go low to start, and make a big deal about the little motor and no VRO (I know lots of guys on here disconnect the VRO, but it is a bargaining point that its not on this motor). Go low to start, $5500 maybe? Wear your preacher shirt.

That Hydro is a lot more boat than the Angler for the same asking price......plenty of motor but it needs some repair.

I wouldn't consider the Jones, you derserve better than that.

[Bygracealone]

Well boys, I went to see the Angler and it's beautiful! Clean as a whistle and solid deck and transom. He ran the motor for me and it didn't perform as well as it should have. I could hardly tell that it wasn't up to par while he was giving it gas, but at idle, it was a little rough. He was the one who said he was disappointed with it, so I followed his lead without saying anything one way or the other. He said that the gas fill was left open overnight plus he thought the gas wasn't as fresh as it should be. Anyway, he's scheduled to have his gall bladder removed tomorrow, but says he plans to have it running like it should by Sunday and that he wants to give me a sea trial on it. I asked him if the boat seemed underpowered, but he said it gets on plane with no problem fully loaded with people on board.

I was tempted to make him an offer before I left, but I thought it would be wise to wait till the boat is to where it should be first.

I'm planning to see the Hydra on Friday. I figure I will know what to do once I see it up close.

From what I can tell, these are two good boats and I would be good to go with either one.

[Bygracealone]

Well, he got the bugs worked out on the engine and called me up to see if I want to go on a sea trial Saturday... I'm flying out to MI early afternoon so I don't think I'll be able to...

When I showed up today, the guy mentioned that there was another fellow who wanted to buy the boat, but was in the process of having his boat sold before he could buy this one. He offered the guy $6800. I was pretty set on not going over $6k, but now I'm thinking... it really is a clean boat... and I will be going over my $6k mark in fixing the 91 Evinrude on the Hydra. However, going with the Hydra will leave me with a higher quality boat and ride once my 96 Ocean Pro is on her. That boat would be worth over $10k easily... The Angler won't hold it's value as well as the Hydra and it comes with a single axle galvanized trailer whereas the Hydra comes with a 3 year old tandem axle galvanized trailer.

That said, the Angler is ready to fish! All I would have to do is register the boat in my name and go fishing--done deal. Whereas the Hydra situation would involve money and time... Plus, there's always the uncertainty of what the V20 will pull in with a 91 225 Evinrude instead of the 96 200 Ocean Pro... I'm hoping to get somewhere close to $6k for her. Is that feasible with the 91 Evinrude? (assuming the market turns around). Okay, enough rambling... What do you boys think?

[drj]

BGA I think if they are both in good condition you may get a better deal with the hydrasport being that the engine needs repair and it is older than the angler. My only concern would be the engine seems a little small for the angler otherwise it looks very clean. Maybe the guy with the hydrasport will take less?

[phester]

Angler sold? Good, get the Hydrasport. Better boat, better ride, good trailer, nice cover.

[chumbucket]

I would also cast a vote for the Hydrasport over the Angler:hi:

[Bygracealone]

Hi Phes and CB,

Thanks for your input! Much appreciated.

The Angler is still for sale...

Most of you seem to be leaning toward the Hydra, so I'll follow your advice. I'll go look at her on Friday and make my decision when I see her.

Truth be told, the Angler is really attractive mostly because it's so "new" looking and has all the "stuff"... (electronics/T-top/etc.)

However, with my 96 J/E on the Hydra, it would be worth much more than the Angler is even now, even though it's a 97 and the Hydra is a far superior quality of a boat...

Thanks guys! If anybody has anything else to share, I'm all eyes... :-)

:beer:

[Seacrets]

I owned a 24' Laguna (1997) with a 225 Merc and it was a well built boat. That boat made 6 trips to the Bahamas and was a work horse. No offense guys (and I've owned two V20's and tournament fished on a 250 Sportsman) they're a better built boat than any Wellcraft fishing boat both past and present. I've also owned a 270 Amberjack and a 34 Sundancer. I loved my V20's, but I'd take a 20'-21' Laguna anyday. My business took me to the Whaler, Sea Ray and Wellcraft plants in Florida and it's true, you do get what you pay for. Just my $.02.

[Bygracealone]

Hey boys, I got home just a little after 9:00PM tonight after pulling my new to me Hydra 120 miles from Philly. She is sweet! I'm exhausted, so I'm heading for bed, but I'll try to snap a couple of pics in the morning before I fly out to Detroit... I'm preaching at one of our Churches out there is Southfield this weekend. Anyway, I think I got a REALLY good deal. I'll tell ya'll more in the morning...

Thanks to all who offered the good advice. I think I will be much happier with the Hydra over the Angler. Newness cannot replace quality...

Good Night.

Steve

[Seacrets]

Steve, you made a great choice. Congratulations!

[Bygracealone]

Thanks Seacrets, your input was very helpful.

Here are just a couple pics before I head out to the airport:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Hydra/100_2562.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Hydra/100_2563.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Hydra/100_2564.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Hydra/100_2561.jpg

[Sean]

:clap:That is one Nice looking Boat BGA:clap:

[THEFERMANATOR]

So are we now the HYDRA-V-OX site, or the V-OX-SPORTS site? And just wait till you run it BGA, that HYDRA will make you happy you chose her. How bad did the trim and tilt end up being?

[randlemanboater]

Good job BGA.

Now get to work, fishin season is HERE!!!!!

[Bygracealone]

So are we now the HYDRA-V-OX site, or the V-OX-SPORTS site? And just wait till you run it BGA, that HYDRA will make you happy you chose her. How bad did the trim and tilt end up being?

Thanks for the compliments boys...

Ferm, funny thing... The guy told me that he had bought an Etec 200 and had it installed on this boat. He put the old motor away in his garage for like two or three years. He then decided he wanted a cuddy cabin... So he found one and had his Etec installed on it and had his mechanic reinstall the old motor back on the boat. Apparently, he stored the engine in some way that once the engine was installed and the trim motor was activated some oil came spurted out of through the seal. What caused that? I don't know. But it hasn't happened since that time. Also he raised the engine when I was there and over a couple hours time, it didn't leak nor did the engine drop from its position. SO, I'm sort of thinking about just swapping motors and letting it be.

V20 will likely go on sale on Craigslist sometime next week. If no bites, then I will put her on Ebay and see what happens.