Repowering

[garagenc]

I'm repowering my 91 V-20 I/O. I have the motor out and the upper portion of the 290 outdrive off, trim tabs off. I'm replacing the outdrive water hose, helmet bushing (has anyone replaced that and if so tell me how they did it). Would anyone like me to take pics and provide status on work? I've already done some work:

I had a rotten port aft stringer (mtr mount) so I cut the top of the gel coat out and (left sides) and dug out the rotten wood. I poured resin and laid 4 layers of glass on the remaining good wood and then placed a board (fir) insert on top of the glass and then poured resin and stuffed glass on each side and end and then laid glass on top until it was even with the existing sides of glass. I laid a trash bag on top and cut a board that was the same length and width as the insert and set that and a 30lb weight on it and left it for 3 days. I didn't use as much hardner as reccomended so it wouldn't hard to fast and get brittle.

I just have to mix up some white gelcoat and pour on top to match and that should finish that project.

If anyone would like pics and job status let me know and I'll start posting.

[Blue_Runner]

Post it up! Sounds pretty cool ;)

[msbhammer]

Hell ya, Post some Pics. Cant wait for Mulv to post pics of his old V that he promised to post for Us. ;D ;D

[reelapeelin]

I'm repowering my 91 V-20 I/O. I have the motor out and the upper portion of the 290 outdrive off, trim tabs off. I'm replacing the outdrive water hose, helmet bushing (has anyone replaced that and if so tell me how they did it). Would anyone like me to take pics and provide status on work? I've already done some work:

I had a rotten port aft stringer (mtr mount) so I cut the top of the gel coat out and (left sides) and dug out the rotten wood. I poured resin and laid 4 layers of glass on the remaining good wood and then placed a board (fir) insert on top of the glass and then poured resin and stuffed glass on each side and end and then laid glass on top until it was even with the existing sides of glass. I laid a trash bag on top and cut a board that was the same length and width as the insert and set that and a 30lb weight on it and left it for 3 days. I didn't use as much hardner as reccomended so it wouldn't hard to fast and get brittle.

I just have to mix up some white gelcoat and pour on top to match and that should finish that project.

If anyone would like pics and job status let me know and I'll start posting.




Where's them pics, garagenc??... ;D ...

[garagenc]

Had to learn how to dwnld pics, so lets try them out.

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this is the open hole that makes us I/O owners feel sick in our stomach because we've lost something.

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port stringer that had rot but now replaced, just need to add the white gelcoat


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shot of the transome after everything has been removed.

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dowel plug installed where all the transducer lines exited. Soon to be filled with glass and resin.


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steering/helmut area prior to upr&lwr bushings remvd.


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helmut rmvd and lower bushing left in place to show rmvl


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helmut rmvd

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raw water vlv soon to be remvd and new home of thru hull transducer.

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dash rmvd during rmvl of old fishfinder and prior to new fishfinder.

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I'm the proud new papa of this furuno LS6100

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cutting board on dash, another to be installed so gps and fishfinder have a place to sit.

Other photos to be installed later as soon as other work is accomplished.

[Airslot]

Nice pics. There are alot of bad places for 'ducers on these boats and only few good ones. Lots of lifting strakes limit our choices. There are a couple strakes approx 10" off centerline that end about midships that will cause transducer problems. I'm not sure where your thru-hull is, but keep that in mind. Are you installing the newish tilted element from Airmar? If so let me know how it works because I'd love to put one in, just nervous about finding the best spot.

Airslot

[garagenc]

I haven't exactly measured where the hole is, but I'll measure and let you know. I think it is only about 6-10" off centerline. That open drain you see to the left in that pic is the centerline drain.

It sounds as if you've had some or your friends have tried this already with little success.

I was planning on buying the fairing block and then cutting to fit hull, I was wondering if I should install with curvature of the hull or make it level to a horizontial line (ground).


Let me know what experience you already have so I won't make the same mistake.

thanks

[reelapeelin]

Great pics and a LOT of work!!... ;) ...


...about that thru-hull...keep us posted on that...looks really interesting... 8) ...my only concern is yer gonna install it over a repair, if I understand right...I've never done one, but I hope that doesn't create problems for you... :) ...CB has done 'em w / much success...I think the ''ducer'' has to shoot straight down ...


...Furuno looks like a really NICE unit 8) ...

[Airslot]

Couple things to ponder. Generally you can't put a thru-hull too close to engine. Disturbs water flow for cooling and prop. If you go with the new tilted element through hull you might pull it off because it only projects like 3/8" below hull. If your talking a bigger thru-hull w/ fairing block, no way that close to engine. At this point we still need to consider the strakes in the hull. I know that where I have my ducer it works, but could work better. I think mine is too close to one of the "flats" or steps.

What model 'ducer would you like to use with that Furuno 600L? I have the same sounder using the P-66 transom mount. I also have the P-79 mounted in the hull, but it doesn't work all that well.

Airslot

[garagenc]

I'm planning on using the 525T-BSD ducer. This hole sits approx 6"-8" fwd of the fwd end of the motor. I don't think this will cause a problem for water flow.

But it sounds like you have more exp with this than me. I haven't seen the tilted one you described.

[Airslot]

It's not what I would use, but it will work. Google Furuno B60-20 That's the new tilted element 'ducer that has become their best seller. I want to do one this spring but I can't committ to where to drill the hole. This will give you a much cleaner install. The ducer is about $65 more, but no fairing block and very little labor to install.

Airslot

[macojoe]

were are you mounting the new sounder?
Not much dash room on these boats!
Thats got to be my one thing I hate! Of coarse I have a 1975 and the 70's have the least room of any!

Nice work your doing there!! Take many pic!! we can add to the how to section, on how to remove motor or what ever.

Can't help with thur hull, I have a transom mount on a Garmin and it works great! But sometimes I do lose reading at high speed.
But while jigging I watch my line on the sounder!

[garagenc]

Mac

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I'm mounting the furuno on that white board with the elect cable coming up thru. I'm installing another board next to it to cover where the old fish finder was and install the gps. They both will fit there.

[garagenc]

AIR

I goggled furuno and searched for b60-20, it didn't bring it up, said no files matching that part #.

Here's what I did out today; Wellcraft that existing hole I have is about the only place to put it and they say is the best place for my hull.

AIRMAR makes almost all the transducers for everybody (according to AIRMAR). They sell the ducer I'm looking at and it's cheaper, I can get that one with temp and high speed fairing block for 160.

I called and asked furuno about a tilted ducer and they said they didn't know of any, but that was before you posted the number, so I didn't have any # to ask them about. If it is available in dual frequency and has temp then I'm game.

What one would you buy instead of the one I'm looking at?

I found a flush mounted type but according to furuno they don't make a flush mount with temp.

[Airslot]

Google this as one phrase:

Furuno b60-20

also see:

Furuno b60-12

I think its a much better unit for our boats. It has depth, temp, and is dual frequency. Depending how close the the keel it is you may need the "-12". If you are onto the main deadride 20* part, then the -20 would be perfect.

Check it out.

Airslot

[garagenc]

I called Airmar and they carry both units you listed. I've found the price to be 198-214 depending on who has them and they come with the cable coupling depending on what unit u have.

I'm still determining where to put and what unit to buy, I'm not sure which unit 12dg or 20dg. I'm not sure if you go 20 it may be too much and 12 may be not enough but may work better than being over degreed.

[Airslot]

That one should be easy. The V-20 has 20* deadrise. Once you get 6" or so from the keel, all the way out it's 20*, except for the strakes.

I'm definately looking to install the B60-20, I'm just trying to determine which flat spot will povide best performance.

Airslot

[garagenc]

According to the fellow at wellcraft he said the area from the aft bilge bhd to the transome would be fine. I haven't looked to see if this bhd is in the same place for boats with outbds.

I think I'm going to buy the b60-20 and install it in my hole where the washdown hole already is.

The b60-20 also comes with temp, which is what I need.

If you want I can measure my hole.

[Airslot]

My concern is that you were trying to use a current hole, and that hole may not be in the ideal place. The first strake up from the bow only runs about half way back. If your behind that I think you may have interference problems.

Airslot

[garagenc]

OK guys, It got warm enough for me to work on my boat, I plugged 2 holes on transome where the old ducer lines and speedometer cables came thru.
1) Mixed up some gel-coat (hopefully I got the tint right) plugged some of those holes. When they dry I'll be able to tell if color is right. I mixed up a qt so all I have to do is mix catalyst and go.
2) Finished putting the last layer of resin on the new stringer I installed so it would be level with one on other side.
3) Installed new fish finder bracket on dash.

I'll post pics as I get some other things done.

[macojoe]

Sounds nice!! keep up the good work! fish are starting to get hungry! ;D

[garagenc]

I STARTED PLUGING MY HOLES LEFT BY MY TRANSDUCER TODAY, I'LL POST PICS FOR HAMMER ;) ;) ;D OF THE BETWEEN SANDING AND AFTER SANDING PRIOR TO GELCOAT APPLICATION.

[garagenc]

I installed the B60-20 dg angled transducer, pretty easy install (cross my fingers) but if anyone wants to know I had a existing hole for a wash down and I used the existing hole. I made and installed a tapered wooden plug and drilled a pilot hole in it and then used the hole saw. Here are some pics of todays work. *::) 8)

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wooden plug and removed hull after drilling with hole saw

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This the existing washdown that I removed and used that existing hole.

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[garagenc]

[quote=garagenc]I installed the B60-20 dg angled transducer, pretty easy install (cross my fingers) but if anyone wants to know I had a existing hole for a wash down and I used the existing hole. I made and installed a tapered wooden plug and drilled a pilot hole in it and then used the hole saw. Here are some pics of todays work. *::) 8)

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This the existing washdown that I removed and used that existing hole.

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[Airslot]

Nice work. Don't take this the wrong way, but I hope it works. I really don't like that location. The strake that stops ahead of your ducer is going to cause turbulence and poor readings, at least thats what I see in the pics. Let us know how it works. It's not the end of the world to glass that hole in and move it outboard 6 ".

[garagenc]

Yea i thought of that also, If I had it to do over with no hole I would have moved it outbd another 6"-12" so the ducer would be exactly flat, that part of the hull is rounded so the nut doesnot seat exactly perfect.

[Airslot]

Just remember, if your not satisfied with how it works, it can be fixed, and its not all that hard to do.

[kamikaze]

garagenc:

I have a question on the Xducer you bought. How long is the cable? I'm looking at the same rig and was wondering if I need an extension to run up to the radio box on my other boat or will the cable already on the xducer is long enough.

Kamikaze

[garagenc]

It comes will about 10 ft on the ducer but you tell them what fish finder you have and how many pins it has and they give you another cable about 25 ft long to go with it.
Let me know if you want any additional info and I'll provide.

I only had a 2 1/4" dia hole saw (ducer is 2 3/8") but then I bought a drum sander to fits on a drill and sanded the hole out another 1/8" in dia and the ducer fit right in. It only took about 3 extra minutes to drill the hole and sand.

[garagenc]

Ok Guys I've done some more work on the boat and here's afew pics to prove I've been working on it.
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here's my REDNECK motor lift built on a truss.

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Here's the new 350 replacing my old 305

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Here's the painted bilge waiting on the new occupant

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I pulled the boat out and moved the motor in line so the lift could pick it up and then I pushed the V back in and set the motor in place

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Here's the little tractor that would

I have the motor bolted in and mostly hooked up, I'm just having some problem trying to figure out the wiring for the alternator. I'm hoping to have it dunked and try starting this weekend.

I'll take more pics as I get more time.

[reelapeelin]

Great jog, Garage... 8) ...that's some operation ya got goin' on there ;) ... looks like splash date soon ;D ...




Whadda ya charge for the pulverizer per day?? ;D ;D ...

[Stillrunning]

The boat is looking good and I see you have a new garage. Are those 10' ceilings? I just built a 24x28 and dicided just to go with 8' because it would be a little too tall with having a room up stairs. I also used those wooden I joist to avoid a beem down the middle. The roof is a 12 pitch and I ended up with a pretty big room (my room)up stairs.

[garagenc]

YEA those are truss's and they give me a 11 foot ceiling from floor to the bottom of the truss. My garage is 32 x 36 with a 20ft lean-too built on the back.

I just bought that power rake this year and it works great, I worked on a back yard the other day that was 125ft long by 125ft wide, what would have taken me a total of 4 hrs using a tiller and pulling with a box only took me 35 minutes to till it and pull the dirt to low areas and make it ready for seeding.
Wish I had bought it sooner.
garagenc

[macojoe]

Looking great! Did some nice work there!!

I wish I had a garage!!

[reelapeelin]

I wish I had a garage!!





I wish I had $100 milion ;) ... I'd get me a garage and have a little left over 8) ... maybe crank up the V-20 factory again 8) 8) ...

[C YENSEN]

nice pics, keep up the good work...... ;)

[garagenc]

Thanks Guys, I'm working each nite 3-4 hrs trying to get it ready for dunking and firing the motor this weekend. The wifey (main muff) has relatives coming in 7/1-7/7 so I've got my marching orders to have the boat working by 7/1.

It seems like everything I do takes extra long to do but I'll get it done.

[parishht]

Keep going G,
I may be able to start working on mine in August, LATE August. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[willy]

Main Muff, love it ;D

[garagenc]

yea that's been my name for her since we started seeing each other seriously and that's been a while back (years).

[Blue_Runner]

Garage - very nice! That's one sexy clean motor compartment (and motor for that matter).

I too wish I had a garage to tuck my baby into.

BTW - nice Kubota ;) 8)

[garagenc]

Yea Molly (kubota) has been with me for 4 yrs now and we have done alot of work together. I'm buying a new L34 Kubota next year at the start of landscaping season but I'm keeping Molly!! ;) ::)

[garagenc]

I laid out of work today and was weed eating the yard @7:30am (Main Muff) cut the grass yesterdayworked/fixed the john boat this morning (rebuily carb abd installed new throttle cable and roller). Works great.

Mowed my sons grass and weedeated his. (he fell 12/21 of last yr and destroyed his right elbow (still is having operations for it). Came home and finished the V-20 motor repower. I fired it up at 2:00 and it fired up on first crank. Now I just need to put all the acc back in and wash the boat so it's ready for this weekend.

Busy day :P :P :P

[garagenc]

Finished all the acc work including installing a new tach. The old one was showing 2100 rpm at idle and the needle would stck when tthe power was off and then rotating clockwise all the way around so I put a new one in with a hour meter built in the tach.

The main muff helped me all day finishing the Vee and washing it, so tomorrow (Sunday) if we get sun as they are calling for we're going riding in the V and swimming.

Hope everything works as planned.

[reelapeelin]

Finished all the acc work including installing a new tach. The old one was showing 2100 rpm at idle and the needle would stck when tthe power was off and then rotating clockwise all the way around so I put a new one in with a hour meter built in the tach.

The main muff helped me all day finishing the Vee and washing it, so tomorrow (Sunday) if we get sun as they are calling for we're going riding in the V and swimming.

Hope everything works as planned.




Hope yer day goes well, Garage...you and the main muff have done lotta work and need a day in the boat 8) ...ya better bring back some pix or Hammer'll BUST ya ...

Hope your son gets past the elbow problems OK :) ...

[garagenc]

THANKS REEL
i TOOK SOME PICS BUT OF COURSE IT WAS ON ONE OF THOSE CHEAP THROW AWAY i WANTED TO TAKE SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS BOAT HE HAS A V-21 (1993) AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS SHOW ROOM CONDITION, IT MIGHT AS WELL BE HE ONLY HAS 170 HOURS ON IT.

bOAT DID FINE EXCEPT i COULDN'T GET ANY POWER TO THE BILGE PMP, ANOTHER THING TO CHECK OUT.

[Hammerhead]

Forget the boat...THAT garage is GREAT !!!
(jk about the boat)....who needs a shop like that w/o sumtin to work on. Great job on both counts. I like the orane motor PLUS the size. My V-20 just has a lil'165.

[garagenc]

Thanks Hammer
I like my garage, it's 36 x 32, the main muff and I went today and got plywood for the ceiling and walls, thats my next project to finish the garage so I can build my work benches and outfit it.