So I screwed up the ignition wires

[macojoe]

So like I don't have enough to do, I go and mess up the wires to the ignition switch :o

Some how I ziged when I should have zaged??

I did one wire at a time and still screwed it up.

Now as soon as I turn thr power on and then the key motor starts to turn??

Does anyone have the right wireing for the key??

Thanks!!

[lumberslinger178]

sorry mj iam a lost soul when it comes to this stuff . but if you need a wooden one built i can help ya out ;D

[tsubaki]

Just recently did mine.















but I got find the old diagram I drew.






























wish you luck

[tsubaki]

Switch #11651 by Seachoice?

[tsubaki]

See if any of this looks right.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/ignitionswitch.jpg

[tsubaki]

Found the old switch to confirm the terminal designations, this is correct.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/ignitionswitch-1.jpg

[tsubaki]

And if you can't translate the diagram.
M (odd type terminal)= the 2 black wires with yellow tracers
S = yellow with red tracer
C = purple with white tracer
A = 2 purple wires
M = black wire
B = red with purple tracer

[tsubaki]

Just happened to have all this crap still laying on the work bench.

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture252.jpg

[macojoe]

Wow thanks!!

You are getting to be vauable around here! I guess we will keep you around for awhile! ;) ;D

I think the problem is I went from a old withch to a newer switch.
The new switch is like the one in the picture and th old switch has a different configration.

I just woke from my nap, I will be going out in a hour or so, I will let you know how I make out!

Thanks again!!

[msbhammer]

Just woke up myself and getting ready to do some work on the V as well. Good work there Tsub. 8)

[tsubaki]

Dang is there an opening for adoption? ;D

[macojoe]

Ok I go back out and the switch I am using is a little different then the one you show, but is a 6 pole switch.

But it doesn't have all the markings on it?? So I go to west marine and they don't carry this switch? so I go to there sister store E& B and they say I can order and have next friday I say no thank you!!

Boaters World was closed as all the mariners cause it is Sunday >:(

So I decide to go ahead and try to get her done. But Mickey has been playing under the dash of this boat!!

as you will see in the pictures, I have all the color wires I am supose to have but they have been rerouted some weird way?

Here you will see the yellow with red is going to black and into the control box coming back out as black??
My guess is this is the Neutral saftey and the black should go to the yellow and red spot on the switch?

http://syncboard.com/albums/album05/Picture_043_Medium.sized.jpg

And here is were it goes and comes, it the wire in the right, the wire on the left is the T&T

http://syncboard.com/albums/album05/Picture_045_Medium.sized.jpg

Then the purple wire comes from the harness and goes to some relay off the switch, but there is a rusted off conection that I can not find any were??

http://syncboard.com/albums/album05/Picture_044_Medium.sized.jpg

I am not sure how it was working in the first place?? But I bet this is why the choke switch doesn't work!!

So do we have a pic any were on how this is supose to really be wired??

[macojoe]

Dang is there an opening for adoption?

Why?? Doesn't everyone take a nap in the day??

[macojoe]

Skools were is the wireing diagram you posted a long time ago??

what you think of this mess??

[tsubaki]

That would take me some time even with a correct year model diagram. I was expecting a control box situation.
Is it possible the choke switch portion was remote mounted and not in the switch?
Do you have the correct book on the motor to be able to use the wires color codes and routing?
I'll see what mine has. From what I remember there were a couple of different wire routing capabilities and terminations possible.
Skools most likely can pull this off the top of his head *:-/
I can't.
Is anything simple with you? ;D

[tsubaki]

Just to clarify for the possibility of having the wrong harness (usually if they connect, it's correct).
What year and hp was the motor that the wire harness and controls came from?
And the year and hp of this motor is a "86 225hp.

[macojoe]

Ha Ha nothing is ever simple with me!!!!!!!!

There is no remote switch for the choke, But that doesn't meant there never was??

I just need that color chart skools put up some time back, but I have looked all night and can't seem to find it??

I have a Clymar book, but eletric is not my strong point! The color one was simple to look at for me the simple guy :D

Thanks

[Seacrets]

MJ, I did a yahoo search on evinrude wire color code and Whaler will pop up. Go into it (continouswave.com I think) and click on Johnson/Evinrude color code. I hope this helps.

[tsubaki]

Got a wiring diagram in front of me
What you need??


While I'm waiting, I'll try to take pictures of what I think and post them. ::)

[tsubaki]

This is the hose routing for the primer (choke) system
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture253.jpg
This shows the primer and wire color (purple with white tracer)
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture256.jpg
This one and the next, compare wire colors at the switch and motor harness asto what you have.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture255.jpg
Note the ignition switches are different in the third and fourth pictures.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture254.jpg

Give me a minute and I'll point out the stuff.

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture253a.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture256a.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture255a.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture254a.jpg

The possibility does exist that you need a different ignition switch than what you bought.
Test the old one and see if it works and how the terminals make contact at the different positions (hell it might be good).

[macojoe]

ok I went o Boaters world today and bought a stupid proff ingnition!!

Comes with all the leads in the right colors!

http://www.boatersworld.com/product/198420382.htm?bct=t13046503%3Bcielectrical-plumbing%3Bcipanels-wiring%3Bciswitches-


But I still did not hook up the purple cause I do not know what 2 are to go on there and were the second goes to??

But boat started right up, and thats a plus!!!!!!!!

[macojoe]

I also got a new Cig lighter, new recesed handles for the hatches, (I hate them Carragie bolt handles) all new LED brake lights, eletric horn.

All installed and working today!

Just have to figure out the rest of the ingnition I be about tready for the water!!

[tsubaki]

And are the *****s (*****s, I said *****s) (try pimp girls) on board also? ;D
That's it!
Are the pimp girls on board? ;D

[macojoe]

Not yet! But soon.

I have a new Color Chart plotter coming in 2 days, have to finish off a few small things, and should be ready to dunk.

After the first dunking Iand all goes well, My son is going to give it the first and only wax job that it will ever see!!

Then its Tuna time!! they getting alot here this year!!

[tsubaki]

Not that I've been here long. But.
IS IT A RARE THING FOR MJ TO PUT WAX ON A BOAT????? ;D ;D

[macojoe]

Yes it is!! But the old owner did 1/2 the boat and it looks like crap, so My sonm going to make them match, then they can go the he!! toghter ;)

[tsubaki]

Just checking to see if you got all the wires hooked up or not.
The purple(s) could be a couple of things.
Is the tach working?
Is the overhead horn working?
Tach not working, it could be the wire for it.
Check the overhead horn by disconnecting it at the motor and with the key "on" (running isn't necessary) ground the wire from the harness to the powerhead.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture205.jpg

[tsubaki]

That relay looking thing that has a wire missing could possibly be an overheat buzzer (horn) remote mounted.

[macojoe]

Yes CB called last night and said he has a horn and key switch and looks like the purple goes to the horn.

So what wire is the choke?? I thought it was the purple also??

By the way did I say I hate electric yet??

[Bygracealone]

MJ, have you checked out the info at Continuous Wave? This might help:

OMC Outboard Motors

The following color coded wiring is often seen in outboard motors manufactured by OMC. This information was developed by Jim Hebert from factory wiring diagrams. Unfortunately, these diagrams are completely lacking in annotation. The identification of the circuits involved was deduced by the author with the assistance of OMC master mechanic David Zammitt of Lockeman's Boat and Hardware.

A pictorial diagram of the typical OMC ignition switch wiring is available in a separate article. It illustrates the use of these wiring colors.

OMC Under-cowling Wiring
------------------------

(Based on V6 c.1992)

RED = Battery positive
RED with VIOLET stripe = Fused battery supply to ignition switch

BLACK = Battery negative
BLACK with YELLOW stripe = KILL Switch (grounded to stop engine)

YELLOW with RED stripe = START (Ignition switch to starter solenoid via safety switch)

VIOLET = Battery voltage in RUN or START from ignition switch
VIOLET with WHITE stripe = PRIMER solenoid

LT BROWN = ALARM (grounded on alarm)

GRAY = TACHOMETER pulses to gauge from Rectifier/Regulator


OMC Stator Coil / Timer Base Wiring
----------------------

YELLOW / YELLOW with GRAY stripe = Battery Charging Coil AC voltage
to Rectifier/Regulator on Assembly
Engine Block

BROWN / BROWN with YELLOW stripe = Charge Coil to Ignition Power Pack
BROWN / BROWN with BLACK stripe = Second Charge Coil to Ignition Power Pack

ORANGE / ORANGE with BLACK stripe = Power Coil to Ignition Power Pack
or OIS Module

Green / Violet / White = Timer Base to Ignition Power Pack
/ Black with White


OMC Power Trim and Tilt
-----------------------

RED = Battery positive
RED with VIOLET stripe = Fused battery supply to remote controls

BLUE = UP supply to MOTOR
BLUE with WHITE stripe = UP RELAY
GREEEN = DOWN supply to MOTOR
GREEN with WHITE stripe = DOWN RELAY
RED with WHITE stripe = Fused battery to remote switches

BLACK with TAN = Trim SENDER isolated ground
WHITE with TAN = Trim SENDER isolated fused battery positive

***The link to a nice color diagram of the ignition circuit can be found here:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/ignitionSwitch.html

[Bygracealone]

So, under the dash, the purple goes from the ignition to the buzzer/alarm, to the accessories that should turn on with the key, and to the tach.

[macojoe]

ok so what wires are to the choke??

I thought that was purple?? :-/

Boat runs right now, and there is no buzzer at this time I have to go get one. But CB had said the same thing. He keeps saying he is going to come here with his Multimetter and we get her done.
But he so busy I keep getting pushed to the curb like the trash! :'(

Going to take her for a ride this after noon ;D

Thanks all!

[Stillrunning]

Can't you use a test light and push in the choke and see which terminal gets power when you push in the choke. It could also be that pushing in the choke provides ground which you could also check with a test light.

[Blue_Runner]

Good luck on your test run (probably out there now).

[macojoe]

Still you think you are a smart a$$??

I think you are!! I never thought of that! ;)

I am getting the boat ready for a ride in 2 hours! Test will have to wait!!

[Blue_Runner]

Ok, I see that we just posted at the same time LOL - correction - good luck in 2 hours ;D

[tsubaki]

Look at the diagrams, purple with white tracer is the choke from the switch to the choke (primer) solenoid.

And grace it depends on the years the motor and harness are. Not always will a color code repeat year to year but generally they will stay the same.

[tsubaki]

MJ post loose ends or not sure about termination locations.
WHAT YEAR WAS THE MOTOR REMOVED FROM THE BOAT AND HP or what year wiring harness did you use.
There are subtile differences in some of the harnesses and motor electrical terminations.
Also are the ignition switch and overheat horn remote mounted from the controls? Pictures suggest this.

[Bygracealone]

And grace it depends on the years the motor and harness are. Not always will a color code repeat year to year but generally they will stay the same.

Roger that T. I think the article I posted or linked to has that disclaimer as well. I just thought it might help generally.

[tsubaki]

Also MJ the relay looking thing (if it's the overheat horn), the wire missing should be a tan colored one into the harness.

[tsubaki]

Grace it looks like the wire colors (for the most part) stay the same throughout most of the harnesses.
Some add or replace colors.
This is where it's important to know "what you had and what you got" on the boat.

[tsubaki]

I see your back, MJ.
Well, did it run like a striped a$$ ape??

[macojoe]

Well I have been out side getting the boat ready for the water, but man has the wind picked up!!

I think I waiting for another day, as I was going by myself, and the ramp in the wind is crazy, I have no idea how this boat and trailer are so I will wait.

as for the wires, I did not see a p&w but i will look again when I go out side. My boat is in the sun and its 83* to hot for me

[tsubaki]

If it was 83 here I'd be bouncing around happy!!
Try not to get overheated, (I see why when it gets over 95* yankees (excuse me, northerners) die) ;D ;D

[tsubaki]

LOVE YA, MEAN IT!!
When you recooperate let us know. :D

[macojoe]

LOL!!!

I am also 328 pounds! thats like the bacon on the grill!!

Nothing like a fat guy that sweats! Look out! My kids just go the other way when they see a drop of sweat coming LOL

[tsubaki]

JESUS, I went from 140 (for 25 years) to 160 in 9 months , and was trying to figure out if it was the pounds or the age making me feel like crap!!

[tsubaki]

Alright, I'm going to remove a GPS/Depth finder from another boat, to put in the V for now.

[macojoe]

My new color plotter will be here tomorrow! ;D

Standard Harizion CP180

[tsubaki]

COULDN'T HELP MYSELF.
iT'S 85*, 65% HUMIDITY, (heat index 91*), winds 12 mph ENE.
AND FEELS LIKE LATE OCTOBERRRR.

[macojoe]

so I was talking to BS tonight and found that like you guys said the p & W is choke on omc, but the i have a merc switch and have a yellow and black wire, and that is the choke on merc so I am going to hook it up this weekend and see what happens.

I did not know that I had the wrong switch till today ??? ;)

[tsubaki]

See if you can get a drawing on the switches positions as to what the terminals (or wires) are.
Compare "off", "start", "run" and "choke" to the drawings in this thread.
That merc switch may not be compatible.

[macojoe]

everything seems to be working perfect!! Itys just the choke, and if the Y & B wire is the choke that should also work, I will let you know!! ::)

[tsubaki]

Good luck on it.
The only info I can get on that switch is "factory color coded wires" (for merc). :-/

[msbhammer]

You get that puppy running yet MJ. ???

[macojoe]

Been running a long time hammer, just need get the choke straight and will do tomorrow.

I was busy buying something special for the boat today, then needed a nap after working all night then driving for 3 hours to get my new item,

[tsubaki]

Warm milk and a belly rub?? ;D

[macojoe]

As stated above I now know that the Yellow with black tracer is choke, so I tested it with a tester and it lit up fine!

So I hooked it up and stil nothing??

I went back to the motor and looked around to find that the wire rotted off the selnoid.

I striped it back and told my son to push the key while I held the wire to the screw, I hear the choke click!
I added a new connector and screwed it on.

went up turn the key pushed choke just turned? I pushed the warm up leaver up a bit turned the key pushed the key for choke and Bam started right up!

Another problem soloved with the help of my V20 brothers!!

Thanks everyone!! And tusbaki for sticking in there with all the pictures and stuff!! ;)

[THEFERMANATOR]

So when do we get maiden voyage pictures?

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271/THEFERMANATOR/GIF/mrburnswaiting.gif

[macojoe]

Soon grasshopper, I just bought a new color GPS, helm seat with drop out bottom and sliding base, eletric winch, and 9 X 12 trim tabs that all have to be installed ;)

Yep I have been shoping!! ;D

I hope to get in the water this week?? Thge wind has been blowing for 3 or 4 days now >:(

Still looking fior a good fish finder also :-/

[THEFERMANATOR]

You don't need all that stuff just to stretch the old girls legs a little. Come on MJ, get her wet ;D.

[macojoe]

I will have it in before all that stuff is on, just wanted the choke to work and the wind to stop!!

Going to be east winds all week, wich means I have to go to the bay for good water, and I hate the bay!!

But on the ocean side they are only talking 2 to 3 footers so I guess it will be all right with this new tank ;)

[tsubaki]

:-*

[Airslot]

Speaking of the new tank, don;t forget to stop by the gas station. That ought to be fun :o :o ::) ;D :P

[macojoe]

What at todays price it will be $322 to fill, doesn't everyone have to fill theres also?? :'(

Only hurts one time then all I have to do is top it off everytime. ;)

[Skools Out]

just to straighten out MJ that motor has no stinking choke lol it has a Primer set up. lol

[macojoe]

well it makes a clicking noise and starts now! I could careless what its called!! ;D

[Airslot]

Does that mean that the primer / choke / whateveryouwanttocallitthingy is fixed? ;D

[macojoe]

Yes!! the whateveryouwanttocallit is ready to rock and roll!!

Adding the new seat today, new deck plates (3) and wireing up the new GPS.

Trim Tabs should be here tomorrow??

I am going toorder a Fish Finder end of the week.

I want to be ready with in 2 weeks so I can start on the Cod! ;)

[Hammerhead]

What kind of Trim Tabs? I was thinkin' of smart tabs. Any tho'ts on those?

Weathers been so windy and rough the surfers won't even go in cuz the waves are set too close.

[macojoe]

I just bought 9 X 12 Bennet, Hydrulic with rocker switches. Brand New $404 complete shiped to my door.

I have nevert had tabs before, But have friends that have.

One has Lenco's and i thought hard about them, but he has blown 2 motors all ready.
You have to adjust them slow and one at a time or its to much for the motors.

I thought about smart tabs when i had the V20, just didn't get around to it.

But this was a good price for brand new so I did it. ;)

[Seacrets]

Just remember, when you install, the right switch operates the left tab. ;D

[macojoe]

Don't laugh! Thats something I would do!! ;)

CB is oming to help with the trim tabs, so I am sure they will be right! ;D

[C YENSEN]

Just remember, when you install, the right switch operates the left tab. ;D


why :-/

[Seacrets]

If you adjust for a list on the starboard side (either bow up or down) your port tab makes the adjustment not the starboard tab. If you push starboard switch it operates the port tab and vise versa. All you have to remember is, if you want an adjustment for the starboard side, use the starboard switch. See their instruction manual (pg 2). Mj, I think you selected the best tab. They have the best customer service of any marine company I've dealt with. First class. Good luck.