Cuddy VS Center Console ride quality....

[Stinky_Hooker]

I am not trying to argue cuddy vs cc and which is better. I think we all have different needs for our boats to perform in the conditions we mostly fish in. We have already had that thread on here and that is not what this is about. This is about the ride difference
(if there is any) between the two.

I have a buddy who I just met a little while ago and he currently has a V20 center console. I told him I had the cuddy and he said his brother does as well. He also state that the cuddy rode like crap compared to his center console. ??? Do any of yall have experience comparing the ride between the two? The only thing I can figure out that might justify such a thought is the fact that the cuddy "console" is farther forward in the boat and you feel the bumps slightly more.

They are the same freaking hull correct?!?!?! :P

What are yalls thoughts?

[macojoe]

I have a cuddy and CB had the CC, I belive that the CC does ride much better!!
Cuddy has to much weight up front and slams down faster and harder!!
But I love the cuddy!! Thats why I would really like to get a ride in a dual console, Its the best of both worlds and I bet that it would ride more like the CC??

Yes the same hull, and both take a beating and handle big water for what it is!! So it all depends what you7 want and were you fish.

[CapnBill]

Stink - mac

You're both right .... Think of the physics ...
In a CC you stand/sit easily 4 feet (or more) futher aft.
Probably very near the center of gravity (CG) of the boat.
(the point about which it pivots - a fulcrum on a see-saw)

In the cuddy - you are forward of the CG ...
so you go up and down more.

Also - there nothing up forward on on CC - yeah it's light up there and it does not come down as hard on the waves as the cuddy with the extra fiberglas, and windshield, and all the stuff in the cuddy -

Also - these Deep-Vee hulls ride on their a$$,
The bow always comes up. and when they go thru wave - in a cuddy you go up and down more.

Now as to which is better - as you say - it is a matter of choice - and your needs.
Sure the CC is nice - in June - but not in November!!! - It is ciovered up by then !
The Cuddy, with a top and side curtains gives a whole lot more protection !! And having a locking cabin sure is a nice to have - not mention a place for mama and and cedar bucket! My kids keep bustin me about - why do have to have a boat without a cabin? !!!

...so having had a V20 CC, and several Bertram Mopies and Bahia Mars - that 's my $0.02 woth ...


CBill

[willy]

I agree but would add this, for me it is a lot about comfort overall, I've been beaten up on all kinds of boats but having a full windshield or a full windshield and an enclosure makes a boat very dry and comfortable, not just in November but all summer to when the afternoon winds pick up and the spray is flying. The cuddy for storage and privy use if needed is a valuable thing and again adds to comfort

[Stinky_Hooker]

Willy what you just said is EXACTLY why I got the cuddy. I was/am so sick of being blasted with water in my 18cc, of course it is only an 18. ::)

[willy]

You'd get it in a 23 footer too, I know ;)

[TheTinMan]

You'd get it in a 23 footer too, I know ;)

could alway go with something like one of these for the nastier weather....best of BOTH worlds!

http://www.jeanscanvas.com/new_ttop.htm

[willy]

Your right Tin and if I had kept a center console that is what I would have done. I like to be able to talk in a reasonable voice on plane, keep the bulk of the wind and or spray off me, and I like to have the fishermen or family or super models be able to be comfortable too.

[Blue_Runner]

The cuddy with enclosure is nice while underway. I'm able to talk to friends and family or on the VHF like I'm sitting still.

[willy]

To be honest Blue one of the main reason I like the V20's is the comfort especially with an enclosure. To be honest I would really like an old style cabin cruiser in the 25-29 foot range. Been on them a couple of times in my younger days. Comfortable, lot of storage, lot of fishing room. Rack system for exerciising super models if needed or just take a nap. ;)

[Blue_Runner]

Willy, why don't you buy us one? ;D I promise to keep you and your models company on those long boring days offshore fighting those pesky tuna, dolphin, and wahoo. ;D I think you should go on up to about a 38fter though ;) I buy the slip, you buy the boat - deal?

Oh yeah, hope you don't mind if the boat stays in NC ;D

[willy]

Blue we need a summer base and a winter base, summers here in Raritan Bay and winters we look from you south. That is doable

[Airslot]

The V-20 is still adequate for excersing the supermodels. Just got to be a little creative with the exercise program. ;D ;D

Airslot

[mmiklosz]

Still like the cuddy for storing all the kid toys and fishing gear. I can talk the kids into going out on the lake if it looks like rain. They like to play inside.

[willy]

Slot I find when your in the mood for two at a time that V20 bunk arrangement is a little limiting. I make do but would like to be able to stretch out once in a while

[Airslot]

Laughin too hard to type

Airslot

[Blue_Runner]

Willy, don't hold the fact that you are too tall against Wellcraft! BTW - when I'm on a V20 I limit my appetite to petite models only.

[willy]

Petite is sweet ;D

[shicks007]

How about this............Modify a V-20 cuddy into a Fwd cuddy CC. This is a pic of a Dusky.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_display_photo.jsp?slim=quick&ybw=&boat_id=14321 90&boatname=23%27+Dusky+233+FL&photo_name=deck+at+ Bow+Looking+Aft&photo=7

[reelapeelin]

Shicks, that IS a nice set-up...like that idea...and the way he did it...

And Willy now we really know why you harken back to the old Cabin-Cruiser days...plenty of SM Exercise space...keeps 'em in top form... 8)...

[willy]

I like to stay limber, do cushioned push ups, pelvic plunges etc. keeps me young, makes life interesting. 8)

[mirage2521]

S&M exercise space ??? I do hope you mean super models and not whips chains and norton clamps ::)

[willy]

Super model of course, got to find an economical old style 25-28 cabin cruiser. Was that like a delayed reaction Mirage :o

[Seacrets]

There's a reason why cc owners install dodgers on their boats. It ain't to get out of the sun.

[willy]

Yea I don't care what MJ says there's only so much Fulking you can do, with a super model fishing with you before your mind wanders 8) and that cuddy becomes muy importante

[TheTinMan]

Super model of course, got to find an economical old style 25-28 cabin cruiser. Was that like a delayed reaction Mirage :o


Willy, if you don't care too much about speed you should consider a Down East style boat, very seaworthy, economical, nice cockpit for fishing....and a cabin for the SM's!

Ever hear of Sisu's? They make a nice 22' semi-displacement with a keel, trailerable too, single diesel or a moderate size OB. I love those boats. They make a nice 26' too.

[TheTinMan]

Here's one style a 22' bass boat:

http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/photo_gallery.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&slim=qui ck&checked_boats=1411175&back=/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp&boat_id=1411175

Here's the 22' Sisu lobster boat style, not a great example but you can see the keel:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/sisu.jpg

[TheTinMan]

Here's one to keep the SM's nice and dry (not sure if that is a good thing???)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/sisu2.jpg

[TheTinMan]

This one's you, Willy! A 26' Sisu. You could even go down below and make some eggs for the SM's. I'd love to keep this boat in a slip out here.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/sisu26.jpg

http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked _boats=1379902&slim=quick&

[phester]

I really like that 22'

[TheTinMan]

Steigercraft just came out with a 21' Deep Vee this year

Block Island model:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/21DVBlkIsnd.jpg

Cheseapeake/Miami model:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/steiger21dv.jpg

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/currentmodels.cfm

[willy]

I just love that style boat, seen the Sisu's before, don't know much about them. And why do they call them a bass boat? Any idea what the draft is on their boats. And what they cruise at Tin. You ever been on them at sea?
And that Steiger Craft is phenominal but way to costly for me.

[willy]

And you are right Tin, if I lived on the water something like that 26 footer would be floating at my dock. But I am not crazy about the semi displacement hull. I'm not a speed boater but I'm not sure I want to spend my day getting to the fishing grounds and back. Cruising at 12-15 knots would actually be a nice comfortable ride and I guess if I lived on the water might be ok but I'm used to the trailer and getting there and launching and retrieving and driving back and all the time that takes. I really need to slow down huh?

[CapnBill]

Willy

If you ever get your hands on a Sisu 22 or 26 grab it. I hear they are great boats and great hulls - although I have never had one. Look up north (MA) etc.

- Bill C

[TheTinMan]

Willy, did you click on the links to see the rest of the pics?

It says the 26 draft is 3' and the 22' draft is 1'5"(not sure if that is right)

I've never been on one, although the guy that runs the tackle shop went and looked at one andmay be buying it so maybe I'll get a chance to to fish it and see.

I think I could deal with lower speeds seeing how economical and seaworthy they are.

I saw an ad for a 22' with a Suzuki 115 four stroke for $10,500 and I can't remember where >:(

[TheTinMan]

sisu 22

http://www.powerandsailboatsforsale.com/show.aspx?adnum=32470

[TheTinMan]

another favorite of mine is the Groverbuilt, built by Al Grover on Long Island, very solidly built and seaworhty. There's a 24,26 and 28.

Here's a 26:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/grover.jpg


http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/8/9/80660889.htm

[TheTinMan]

Here's a shot of a Groverbuilt 26 crossing the Atlantic in 1985!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/gbta.jpg

[willy]

Neat looking boats, is it me or is the freeboard awfully low especially amidship

[TheTinMan]

Freeboard is kind of low but it's a proven hull. If you like it and want to learn more, here's a thread from another forum with 49 pages!

http://www.noreast.com/discussion/ViewTopic.cfm?page=1&startrow=21&topic_ID=12009

[Skools Out]

Tin i hate to say it but that's one ugly boat IMO :-/

[reelapeelin]

Looks like a beam sea would roll that puppy inna skinny minute!!... :o...

[TheTinMan]

Yooz Gize don't know nuttin! ;D

Looks is purely subjective....I have to admit it looks.....well, different, anyway. But, then again, I like Panga's ;)

RAP as far as rolling in a beam sea...she may roll some with her narrow beam, but as far as going over, pretty hard to do. These hulls are very desirable for serious fisheman that go out in the rough stuff. Just better not be in a hurry.

[Pipe_Dream]

The turn this thread has taken has hit a nerve with me. If I had the dough, I'd be cruising in something like this:

Wasque 32
http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked _boats=1461787&slim=quick&

[Pipe_Dream]

Or this:

Wasque 32 Open
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked _boats=1440086&slim=quick&

[Pipe_Dream]

Or this:

Christmas
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked _boats=1280538&slim=quick&

[Pipe_Dream]

Or this:

Ellis 28
http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked _boats=1372041&slim=quick&

Not that I don't like my V20 -- I'd keep her, too! ;)
Many trips to Maine and seeing boats like these, I think they're beautiful, and seaworthy, boats.

[reelapeelin]

I like your style, Pipe...and from a design/ride point of view, love 'em, but lotta wood on those...too much maintenance for this old, lazy fat-boy... ;) ;D...

[Pipe_Dream]

Well, I DID stipulate "if I had plenty of dough." I would hire supermodels to maintain her, while I sat in the shade with a cold one and supervised. 8)

[TheTinMan]

OK, if it's good lookin boats you want, how about Fortier, another favorite:

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photo_gallery.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&slim=qui ck&checked_boats=1280506&back=/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp&boat_id=1280506

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/fortier.jpg

[Pipe_Dream]

OH YEAH, I droll excessively over them, too! My above posts were not by any means comprehensive! ;)

I first saw a Fortier at a nearby marina a few years ago. That boat hit me where I live.

I was in Cocoa Beach this past weekend and saw a 25' Shamrock for sale that, if I hadn't done the Pipe Dream refit, I'd be on the phone to that guy.

Dream on . . .

[TheTinMan]

My above posts were not by any means comprehensive! ;)

Dream on . . .

I realized that, just having fun posting these cool boats ;D


www.therunabout.com

Here's Billy Joel's boat company 38', can do over 50MPH!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/navy6402.jpg

He has a 50'+ that is totally unbelievable. I live a stones throw from where these are built. One day while fishing the Peconic Bay, I see the most awesome boat I've ever seen. Thing was a huge downeaster FLYING! Went right by my while I was drift fishing, was Billy in his 50+ footer, gave me goosebumps, really. I can't find any pictures of that boat though :(

[Blue_Runner]

Billy! Billy! Come back Billy!! Come back! ;D

[willy]

Here we go ;D
http://www.boats.com/listing/boat_details.jsp?showDL=false&showMD=true&entityid =423740

[willy]

This is the puppy, when I go larger and have the money, full keel protected prop, supermodel work out station, fishing room, smileing Willy ;D

[TheTinMan]

I always liked the 20' Shamrock w/Pilothouse, cool boat.

[Pipe_Dream]

Smiling Willy, I like that! * ;D

I saw Billy Joel on TV a few years back, piloting one of those Shelter Islands. *Sweet boats! *Remind me of the Hinckley jet-drive picnic boats -- that you can steer with a joy stick. * ::) *I'm a little more traditional than that, but I guess if you've got the $$$ . . .

[TheTinMan]

42' Bruno + Stillman

I have a friend whose father owned one of these years ago out of Montauk, I've fished on it, better looking than this one. Was called "Sea Doll". Sea Doll was actually on a TV show in the 70's about shark fishing. either American Sportsman or Wide world of Sports, can't remember.....but a very cool boat, only did about 18kts. I remember driving that baby in up on the flying bridge past Montauk Light, great memory.

His father passed away several years ago, but the friend now has a 44' Henriques, another great boat.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/bruno.jpg

They sold the Bruno and bought a 46' Bertram, "Christine".
Donnie Braddick, the guy that holds the record for the largest fish EVER caught on rod and reel, that 3,427lb. Great White skippered it for a couple seasons, fished with him once for Giants at the Mud Hole....He's a true MADMAN.

Take this story for what's it worth, but he did tell as this on that tuna trip. Some of it sounds unreal to me.

Capt. Frank Mundus aboard his "Cricket II" was fishing off Montauk, spotted a dead whale floating. They counted about 8 Great Whites feeding on it. They spotted one that had an estimated 1,000 pounds on the one they hooked (3,427lbs.). They could not get that giant one to tkae the bait. Once hooked, Mundus radioed Braddick, who was skippering another charter boat. Braddick comes along side the Cricket II, boards her and send his boat away wiht his Mate taking the helm.

This is where this story gets a little unbelievable. Donnie says, that he and the mate of the Cricket stepped off the boat and onto the whale and were jumping up and down while all those Great Whites were feeding.....hmmm, could you even stand on a whale in the water, wouldn't be slipperey as hell. Anyway, that's what he said and has pictures too....never did see them though. Nevertheless, a very entertaining story in the middle of the night offshore waiting for the morning bite.

Oh, we did hook an estimated 900lb. Giant that we lost at the transom after a 2 and a half hour battle!



EDIT: Just did a search....here's a link, they say 5-6 great whites and no mention of boarding the whale, but the rest sounds right.

http://homepage.mac.com/mollet/Cc/Cc_images/Cc75.html

[Pipe_Dream]

Man, did this thread ever get HIJACKED! ;D ::) :o
Maybe somebody needs to start a new thread:
Boat That I Lust After!

[TheTinMan]

I was thinking the same thing.

Sorry for the HIJACK, Stinky...Hope you found the info you were looking for.

[reelapeelin]

We're just a bunch of ramblin' guys... ;D...ramblin', ramblin', ramblin'....

[willy]

Stinky stopped listening to us rambling guys a long time ago, he's busy making Pink Thong 2 the sequel :D

[TheTinMan]

too bad the sequels are never as good.....he'll probably edit out the camel toe :D

[Skools Out]

Na Tin now he's making one better out of socks lol ;D

[willy]

LMFAO ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Stinky_Hooker]

I swear, yall have completely butchered this thread with totally USEFULL information!

This is unexceptable!!! ;D


More BS and FAST!!! :D


PS, chain sawing a V20 transom while in a pink thong, tomorrow at 7 pm!!

[TheTinMan]

PS, chain sawing a V20 transom while in a pink thong, tomorrow at 7 pm!!

The pink thong is getting boring....don't you have any other colors?
;D

[Skools Out]

oh yeah we need new colors

[willy]

Yea Stinkman time to update your wardrobe ;)

[TheTinMan]

something in a fishnet would be nice ;)

[willy]

Maybe some pasties :o

[Stinky_Hooker]

Ill see what I can come up with tonight! ;D