Preferred *Power?????

[Skools Out]

Hey guy's Lets have a poll on what power we like best or run on our boats and plus the HP and props.



Personally I'm a Johnson / Evinrude Guy

Currently running

1 - 1990 Johnson 225 w/ 15x17 Stainless OMC prop

Boats a 1978 Cuddy.

[buenos_diaz]

Hey,
I've also got a '78 cuddy but I'm run a '77 200 hp Johnson.

Later,
Buenos

[phester]

1986 cuddy...150 Johnson Oceanrunner...15 1/2x 15 aluminium,good enough for now

[stripminer]

Yamaha !!!! Currently a brand new 150,, formerly a 130 that ran for 17 years.

[Seacrets]

86 cuddy, 86 150 hp mercury (bored .020 over)w/
14 1/2" x 17" four blade stainless

[shicks007]

76' cuddy
1985 Evinrude 140 h.p.
prop: 14-1/2 X 19 S.S. 3 blade

This is what was on the boat when I bought it. It's been a good one, once the bugs where worked out.

[chumbucket]

I'm thinking now that the 6 cylinder, 250hp, Cummins Turbo Diesel would be nice for preferred power. ;)

[reelapeelin]

What prop you got in mind, there, CB??...just curious...

[chumbucket]

No idea. I just thought it'd be a nice power option that I'd like to see. They're coupling the Cummins motors up with Merc outdrives. So far, I've only seen them mated with Bravo III's but could probably be configured with an Alpha. Not sure though.
Tell me you I/O guy's aren't intrigued with this idea for a V20. I've seen them in Parkers and a few others. We're talking longevity and good fuel economy here. 8)

[reelapeelin]

Long life and fuel economy sound good, but NOISE and diesle aroma...I dunno...quiet is a good thing... ;) 8)...

[Pipe_Dream]

I'm with you, Reel. I don't like the diesel fumes or vibes! Now about those trim tabs . . . ;D

[jaysea]

TRIM TABS ???DIESEL ??? LETS GO FISHEN 8)

[reelapeelin]

Don't mean to hijack this thread, but I guess I'm gonna...been thinkin' about tabs since I got this V20...it do squat a bit when planed out and bow down some would help in a chop as trimmed all the way down isn't enough...OK, Pipe, you just sold me on addin' tabs (all your fault)...now, WHICH tabs... ???...don't like the "non-adjustables"...do like the ones w/the turned-down side edges... ;D...

"oh Wifey, gonna open up the money-valve jusa little here"...no response...oh yeah, she's at work...must be OK then, besides, Pipe made me do it... ::)...

[Pipe_Dream]

Oh, No! Don't put that one on me!!! :o ;)

[Blue_Runner]

I used my "manual" trim tab function yesterday....it consisted of me yelling at one of my friends, "Hey fat @ss, move to the other side of the boat!"

[Skools Out]

Hey that's the Old School Trim Tabs or could be known as Redneck Trim Tabs.

[Blue_Runner]

Yea man! That trim tab system works great when you have 5 people on board. That 5th person needs to stay in the middle :P and then 2 on each side.

[Blue_Runner]

Seriously though, I'd love to have trim tabs. The only negative I see is that it would just be another function of the boat to fail. Less can be better!

Me, I wouldn't install trim tabs on mine unless I was knew I was going to be runnin an unbalanced load often. Most of the time I'm balanced out perty good, so I'm not worried about it. Plus, I got a good bit of negative trim to keep the bow down.

But, they would be nice at times.

[Skools Out]

I have 15"Wx10"L trim tabs on my Sea Ray They are the best thing since sliced bread. I'm definately going to put a set on my Wellcraft. Not as big though i want a set of Bennett 12x9's. Hydraulic are nice but my neighbor has electric on his Parker. They are much cleaner and easier to keep up. No oily mess nor low oil issues.

[willy]

Skool just my 2cents but I was looking to maybe install them on my boat. Talked with the mechanic up here that installs them on the new Robalos the past couple of years. He said he loved installing the electrics and the parts department loves selling spare parts
::) Apparently they have a lot more reliability issues than the hydraulics, he said Bill if you got a choice do it once, do it right and put the bennets on, for what it's worth I kind of got the impression he was trying to help me out, they sell both.

[Skools Out]

Thanks i like the Bennets the best but they like them too according to the price lol. That's what i have on my Sea Ray is Bennet Hydraulic ones.

[Franco]

Anybody have any input on these:
http://www.rocketflap.com/frame2.htm
or these:
http://www.nauticusinc.com/

[Franco]

I wanna keep up with the twin outboards, this should do it!!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/468-CU-INCH-BALANCED-MERCRUISER-MARINE-500-HP_W0QQitemZ4571637636QQcategoryZ50442QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

[Skools Out]

that would look so good in your boat you've have to build a clear motor cover just to admir the HP in the Beast lol.

[phester]

back to the original thread...for a moment...,my "prefered" power would be the v-6 200HP that is in my wifes Honda. It's a 2000, w/75,000 miles and it truly runs and sounds like the day we bought it. Aside from oil changes, you could just weld the hood shut.

[willy]

Hey Franco you dried out yet bud ;D listen about those smart tabs you asked about I checked on them and am still thinking about them. I called the company because I had a concern, that was with regular trim tabs you never have them deployed(down) in following seas or when drifting in a chop because a wave can literally excert strong downward force on them sending your stern deep especially in the case of *** heavy boat like mine( because of the 530 lbs motor by the way 8)) and when I talked with them they said they were working on a cord type clip on you run to the top of the stern for that reason ::) I don't know bud I would think more about fixed tabs

[Seacrets]

I believe Ship Shape TV did a removal of a new set of smart tabs and replaced with others because of poor control when backing up.

[reelapeelin]

Hey, Franco drop that 454 in w/a JET-DRIVE and you can do BAT-TURNS in the canal...buddy of mine grew up w/a 454 jet in some kinda go-fast ski boat...they would be goin' 70 mph, CRANK the wheel HARD all the way and be goin' 180 degrees in nothin' flat...ripped the seat out one time :o...

But on the "smart tabs"...I'm sure I remember some one(maybe on THT) sayin', "save your money"...as some of the reasons you want tabs, those capabilities just aren't there... ???...

Oh and BR...still LMAO over the "Move your fat-a$$ over"...LOL!...was that your mother-in-law?...

Pipe...sorry, Buddy...you've already been named as co-conspirator... ::)...

[rockinrebel]

1999 Yamaha 175, carb. Sweet.

[macojoe]

I have 175 Yamaha with a 15 1/4x works nice for me!

I have been looking at trim tabs for a long time!! I have checked them out over and over, If I go with them I think I will be going with the Lenco electric.
I like the clean and simple install, over the Bennet.
But the Bennet is a little better system, as far as power.

I no a couple of people with the lencos and you have to raise or lower them one at a time, cause if you try to load them up at the same time you can burn out the motor.
But once you know that and rasie up un side at a time you never seem to have a problem.

I just hate to have one more oil set up on the boat!! I always always have a leak with oil stuff!! Oil and I just don't get along!!

[WiseGuy]

1982 Cuddy I/O. Engine is 898 Merruiser (Chevy 305 v-8) - 200 hp.

[mmiklosz]

1986 V20 with a 225 Johnson. About to unplug the oil injection.

[mirage2521]

I have been studying the diesel question for a while now here is a link to a really good article comparing 3 different engines in a boat similar in size to ours

http://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/boating/1277216.html?page=1&c=y

[captbent]

im going to put in the 200hp 4 cly i/o for $2400 what i like about an i/o is i can troll all day at 600 rpm cant do that with my outboard , when i want to troll now i have to use my riptide

[Skools Out]

Um my last 3 outboard boats would troll at 600 to 800 rpm's.

[reelapeelin]

Pullin' live-bait, I use the Rip-Tide, all else w/the Honda at 600 rpms all day long... 8)...

[macojoe]

My yamaha will troll at 600, put I think we need an different prop to troll wiith?? Cause I am still to fast at 600?

[ericbh1]

I'm tellin you, the cheap way to lower trolling speed is a 5 gallon pail on a 5 foot line astern.

[reelapeelin]

You're right Eric...I pull two of 'em... ;)...

[captbent]

well the truth is i cant see spending $10,000 plus for a new outboard to put on a 25 year old boat if i had the cash i would, but i would like to use the boat a season or two to see how it handles the rough water before i put some big money into here

[Skools Out]

i have a few extra 225's laying around lol just find a used bracket and a good used motor and a total under $2,000. You're riding.

[captbent]

i will look in to that

[willy]

Speaking of those used motors Skools , have you ever heard anything about those rebuilts that come from those big rebuilding shops, theres one in PA. I see their engines on ebay once in awhile. Blackbeards or something like that. Their prices look good and the refinish

[Skools Out]

yeah i wonder how their's are i feel good about mine but then again i rebuilt them so i know what i have too. Wiseco Pistons are definitly the only way to go. Especially in an OMC product. They oil better and hold up much better under heat and RPM's.

[Duncan_Idaho]

Willy,
I purchased a used 1997 Johnson from BLACKBIRD IND. in Pa. I had the motor three years and it still runs great. I saw the same thing on e-bay but was a little leery. I called the company and spoke to the boss and took a chance. The guys quite a character, straight shooter about engines, no B/S. The motor was shipped professionally and the paint job looked great. I would buy another except I can't find anybody to hang the engine.

[willy]

Thanks DI, I too was impressed with how the engine appeared, looks like they take their time with the outside was wondering if they did the same inside, if you think about it that is one h@ll of a way to repower, if you do not have Skools mechanical training or facility's or time. Hey Lord Skools you ever figure how much you have invested in a total rebuild by time you add up all the parts costs and the value of your time. Bet you its up there.
Tell you what I'm thinking, find out what my 1999 johnson ocean pro , installed new in 2001 and very low hours is worth and repower with a v6 johnson 150 from Black Bird. Might be affordable even for me. I think I would be using same controls gauges etc.

[Bygracealone]

I was doing a little surfing and came across the following Re: Blackbird Ind:

http://www.stayawayoutboardrepair.biz/

[willy]

very interesting :o

[Skools Out]

Someone go shut them down. i knew Blackbirds sucked.

[steelheader13]

I am running a 175 HP Johnson ob on my 1985 CC.

Near Top speed (never maxed it out) will do 36.5 knots/42 mph with full fuel/ 2 people, and too many fishing rods!!! Does this sound in line with others here????

Have trim tabs, they help, especially on long runs with a chop, they certainly can soften the angle of entry.

[willy]

Sounds about right, my 85 cuddy with a 99 johnson 115 on a armstrong bracket was getting 36 with full tank and two guys and a lot of gear thru a pretty good chop. And I was not getting max rpms at the time. Plus I have to mount my engine lower on the bracket this spring as I could not trim up at all due to the motor mount height, was ventilating the prop in the chop. Oh yea full enclosure up to.

[Skools Out]

hey steelheader13 show us a pic of your trim tabs ;D

[steelheader13]

I will get a closer pic if you want, but you can see them on this forum post "auxillary power".

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Modifications;action=display;num=11 31318875;start=15#15

I don't want to bore you with the same pic here.

[Skools Out]

looks great how do you like them on a 20 footer?

[steelheader13]

I like them a lot. I use them to change my angle of entry, get up on step faster, adjust for people standing or sitting off center and in the snotty stuff it really helps reduce spray back and hard slamming. I am getting older and the hard bouncing can take a day or two to fully recover. So the tabs help with that.

I typically run 20-30 miles offshore to fish and my home inlet is a little dicey at times as well.

[Skools Out]

What port do you fish out of?

[steelheader13]

Sebastian Inlet, FL. * For Florida inlets, Boynton may be the only one rougher and that is debateable. At least they have West Palm and Miami to run in if Boynton is bad. I have to run 30+ miles North or South to hit Canaveral or Ft. Pierce.

It is a narrow man-made inlet that gets a lot of water running through it at times. *Sometimes we have to wait out the tides to run it.

There are rough and rougher inlets all up and down the East Coast and a few out west, I know, but I only have this one to contend with.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/steelheader13/Th11/1471.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/steelheader13/Th11/6-5890.jpg

There are days and times when it is nice and flat, but give it an our or two and it will start rocking and rolling.

East wind (most common here) with an outgoing tide is tough and for me on the weekends it always seems to work that way.

[reelapeelin]

Uh, don't we have another guy down around Sebastian somewhere?...Grand Teton?...Grand Prix?...Grand SOMETHIN'....HEY, Willy what's that dude's name...you swam his boat around for him...

::) ;D ;D ;D

[willy]

You must be referring to that very extinguished man, technical wizard, fishing and boating guide the Grand Puhbah Senor Franco my close personal friend and confidant ;D

[Franco]

Gentleman, I can't tell you how humbled I am to have you two distinguished fellows heap this praise upon me!! I just happen to live in the fishing and boating Mecca of the east coast. Although it's like Mayberry with cable and internet, we have miles and miles and miles more of water to explore, Just try to keep it quiet!

[willy]

SHHHHH our secret ;) 8) ;)

[reelapeelin]

Not to worry, Willy...once the world finds out there's a marker along side the road designating a butt-whuppin', that'll slow down the influx of curiosity seekers... ;)...

[willy]

Phew I was worried there Tanx ;D

[Skools Out]

hey found a perfect motor for an I/O V20 upgrade

http://www.tandlengines.com/ebay/TL_489BBC.wmv

[steelheader13]

That is quite a build/test facility.

[Skools Out]

yeah that monster makes 675 HP lol