1988 V20 with 225 Honda

[jackman1939]

Finally got my new T-top made and installed on my boat. Took it out a few times. Boat used to go 44mph (with the old T-top), now it only goes 40mph. Gets about 2.5 miles per gallon. Seems to me that it should go faster than that. I have to keep the trim very low - when I try to raise it, the boat porpoises a lot. I installed one of those anti porpoise things on the motor, but that didn't really help.
HELP !

[bigshrimpin]

Yikes . . . You'll need trim tabs and wedges to get the bow down. I'd recommend selling the Honda and getting different motor. 2.5mpg is horrible for a four stroke . . . I got better fuel economy with my 1988 Yamaha 200hp (right around 3mpg . . . always better than 2.5 even in the worst conditions).

What prop are you spinning? where does the cavitation plate line up in relation to the bottom of the hull?

[reelapeelin]

Yeah, Jackman...I fear BS is right...something's basicly wrong...I'm gettin' 42 mph outta my Honda 150...your 225 oughtta be SCREAMIN'!! :o....

Pretty sure ya need trim-tabs to start with...then 3 questions:

What's Honda say MAX RPMs are on your motor?

What is your's maxin' out at?

What prop ya got?

BS makes a good point...the 225 is probably too HEAVY for a V-20 to begin with, so if tabs and a new prop don't get ya straightened out, ya might wanna start thinkin' another motor...good news is, ya shouldn't have any probs sellin' that 225 ;) ...

[msbhammer]

Post pics. of the motor and hard top. ::)

[jackman1939]

Thanks for all your inputs guys! When I first got the boat, it looked like it was sitting low in the back. The 1st thing I did was move the batteries up front (put them in the 1st floor compartment way up front). Also looked like the engine was mounted too high on the transom. I lowered it 2" - that's as low as it could go.
The prop is a SS Honda 14 1/4" X 17 four blade. Call the prop experts and they said it should be ok. Top speed is 41 mph (GPS) at 5300 rpm. The dealer says top RPM for the engine is around 6200. I thought about that, and assumed if I got a prop with less pitch, I would get more rmps, but slower speed. Am I right about that?
I do notice that the boat leans to the left when I am moving out. Also noticed that when I look at the water coming out from under the boat (where the transom meets the water - and the boat is moving out), I see some spray from the transducer (which is normal), but I see little sprays all along the bottom. Is that normal? I would think that that area would be flat and undisturbed. Not sure if I explained that correctly - if not, let me know and I will clarify. The bottom of the boat is painted black.
The bow of the boat does not ride high, seems to ride like it should (judging by other boats that I had).
I can post some pictures, but I don't know how to do that. Can you tell me how?
Just checked the cavitation plate, it is 1/2" below the bottom of the boat.
The boat and motor seem to run fine, it's just that I think it should go faster and get better mileage.
thanks again!
Jack

[Airslot]

Are you giving us the WOT of 5300 trimmed out, or motor trimmed down? I still think that you should be able to twist a 19 or 21 all the way to 6200 w/ that 225 on a V-20. The cavitation plate should be even or slightly above the hull bottom, or higher if the prop will hold on. After checking, your gear ration is 1.86:1, virtually identical to my Merc 150. I'm turning the same 17p prop to 5500 through the same gears. Something ain't right with that 225.

Airslot

[C YENSEN]

SOUNDS LIKE THAT BIG MOTOR IS JUST A LITTLE HEAVY FOR THE V20 ;)

[jackman1939]

I keep thinking something isn't right, but I don't know what!! I mean, the thing runs great, and I love it for fishing, but still am wondering what's up with it.
I assume WOT means Wide Open Throttle - when I floor it, it goes 41 mph - I adjust the tilt up and down some and I get 5300 max rpm and 41 mph. Just thought of something: when I push the throttle all the way forward, it bottoms out on the console. Maybe the trhottle has some adjustments that could be made so it could go further?? Don't know, never looked into it - maybe the throttle being pushed all the way forward does not necessarily mean that the motor is wide open.??? Any suggestions on checking that? Guess I could take off the cover and see what's going on under the hood when the throttle is moved.
Sounds like I could move (remount) the engine up 1" to get the cavitation plate 1/4" above the bottom of the boat.
I am really frustrated with this outfit. The guy I bought it from said it does 55 mph! Never saw that - guess I should have tried it out in the water before I bought it.
Oh, well - maybe one of you experts and figure out what's going on.
thanks again,
Jack

[Airslot]

Pull the cowl and the air silencer off the front of the motor and see if the butterflies in the throttle body are opeing all the way. Could well be the problem right there.

Airslot

[Seacrets]

I run a 150 hp Merc with a 17" pitch prop (14 1/2" diameter) and I'm running 41 mph. *I really think at least part of your problem is prop. *When you bought it did the previous owner switch out the prop?

[jackman1939]

I think the prop that came with the boat was what was always used on it. He gave me the original prop (which was the same [14 1/4 X 17]. This prop was an aluminum cast prop. He bought the same prop in a SS Honda - that's what's on the boat.
I will take off the cowl and air silencer and see what the throttle plates are doing as I move the throttle lever.
Keep those ideas coming in - I really appreciate them.

[reelapeelin]

That 55 sounds more like what that rig oughtta be doin'...if the throttle lever is being stopped by the console, that should be checked out , too...if the budget will allow for trim-tabs, sounds like you need 'em... ;)...and I think that cavitation plate should be just above the bottom of the boat...you may have dropped it down too far...ya wanna get it as high as it'll go and still BITE...too high, and it'll "BLOW-OUT"(prop comes outta the water) on turns...

Keep postin' and let us know what's goin' on... 8)...

[jackman1939]

I removed the cowl from the motor. I see where the throttle plate is - near the top rear of the engine. Looks like I have to remove a lot of stuff to see inside the throttle plate body. Is this true? Going fishing tomorrow - going to move the motor up 1". I'll let you know what that does.

[jackman1939]

How do I get a picture to show up here?

[jackman1939]

Here's a pic of my beast:
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/JackV20.jpg
This is a test.

[reelapeelin]

NICE LOOKIN' RIG, Jackman..."Bone Crusher"... 8) ...

...you passed the test... ;) ...

[LESTERUS]

HEY JACKMAN!!!!

IT LOOKS TO ME THAT 225 HP IS TO MUCH FOR OUR BOATS, IF YOU RUN IT WIDE OPEN THE HULL WILL COME COMPLETE OUT OF THE WATER AND IT WILL PROBABLY RUN SIDEWAYS. I'VE GOT I/O 4.3 MERC (175HP) AND RIGTH SS PROP AND I DO 32-35 MPH.

NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RUN IT WOT, DO YOU?
(UNLESS THE USCG IS IN YOUR TAIL)

LESTERUS

[LESTERUS]

ANOTHER THING:

THE HULL ARE DESIGNED FOR CERTAIN MAX SPEED, YOU CAN PUT A TURBINE ON IT AND IT WILL STILL GO AT THAT TOP SPEED. 40MPH IS VERY FAST FOR A V-20

[racerx]

i wish i had a turbine...i bet i could prove you wrong.

[jackman1939]

Well, I never got out fishing the other day - was going to go today - too much rain - BUT we need it.
I did manage to raise the engine - I put it back where it was when I bought the boat - the cavitation plate is about 1/2" above the bottom of the transom. I'll let you know what that did the next time I get out.
I took off the cowl and moved the throttle all the way forward. It touched the glove box. I inspected the throttle assembly and it looked like the throttle was wide open. I determined this by looking at the shaft that the throttle plate is attached to. I tried to turn it a little, but it would not budge.
I'm getting frustrated - I love the boat - put over $4k into it (Ttop, hydraulic steering, windlass etc.).
I was looking into a Wellcraft CCF 238 - that boat would definitely take the 225 Honda.
We'll see.
Thanks for tip in using golf tees to plug holes - worked great. Had 2 screws on the console that were stripped - mixed up some hobby shop 5 minute epoxy, added some ground fiber glass - gooped up the tee and inserted them into the holes - 1/2 hour later I drilled new holes and screwed in the screws. Came out great.

[jackman1939]

Finally got out fishing Saturday. The gulf was relatively calm. Had 4 people in the boat. Two sat in front of the center console on a cooler seat (315 and 240 pounds). Ron and I sat in the back (160 and 215 pounds). This was the first time I took the boat out since I remounted the motor on the transom – raised it 2 inches. Full throttle results: 5400 rmp, 41 mph, 2.5 miles per gallon. Caught 2 keeper grouper, some nice Spanish and 3 cobia (all short). Had a great time.

[willy]

Good job Jackman it should work out fine for you

[Airslot]

Jackman, was that 5400 trimmed out, neutral trim, or trimmed down/under? Those honda's should be propped to turn a little higher. You might see more speed / rpm's trimmed higher.

Airslot

[jackman1939]

Went out fishing Sunday. Had Bobby up front (240 lbs), and Ron and I in the back again (160 and 215). Fairly calm coming in. WOT - 5400 rmp, 43mph, 2.5 mpg - motor trimmed up.
Are you suggesting I get a different prop? The engine should max out at 6200 rpms - I don't get any where near there. I am open for suggestions. Maybe a 15" at 15 pitch?
Help
Caught an assortment for fish - 54" King mackerel, 36" cobia, 24" red, lots of Spanish, and misc others. Had a great time.

[Airslot]

Jackman, I'm at a loss, it just doesn't make sense. I trust your Speed numbers are GPS? 5400 RPM's spinning a 17" pitch prop through the 1.86 : 1 gears gives that 41 mph number on my boat. I still stand by what I said earlier, that motor should be able to spin 21p easy. The only other thing that I can think of is the throttle hitting the dash. I have a local buddy with a 150 honda on his V-20 fisherman and he's turning a 17'p ss prop to 6100 rpm. The Honda's are great motors, no doubt. As for your 2.5 MPG number, thats not bad at WOT for a 225. What does she cruise at? Got any numbers around 4000 rpm's?

Airslot

[jackman1939]

As I remember, at 4000 rpm, she does 30 mph. How do you define cruising speed? I usually go as fast as I can go - depending on conditions.
Speed is by GPS.
I agree - it just doesn't make sense. I was thinking about taking the rig to the scales, and weighing it - just to see what it weighs.
I just have 100 hours on the motor - it is ready for a checkup. Is there any test that the dealer can perform to see if everything is right with it? Is there anything I can do? Maybe check compression or something? I still can not verify that the throttle plate is wide open - don't know what to take off the motor to see inside the throttle body.

[Airslot]

They can hook you up to the computer at the shop when you go for your 100 hour service. They should be able to tell you if all sensors are funtioning and how much time is spent in each rpm range. As far as determining if you are reaching WOT, try this. Take the cowling off in the driveway. Find where the throttle cable attactches to the linkage on the motor. Advance the throttle to WOT. Make a mark where the linkage is at this point. Return the throttle to neatral. Now, remove the throttle cable from the linkage and rotate the linage by hand. If it turns further by hand, you found your problem. You should be able to do this pretty easy in a hlf hour or less. Keep us in the loop.

Airslot

[jackman1939]

I checked out the throttle today. Removed the cowl and had a friend move the throttle level on the center console. I observed the action at the throttle body near the end of the engine. With the throttle pushed to wide open (at the center console), the lever on the throttle body was bottoming out on the throttle body stop. This verified to me that the throttle movement could go no further and should be wide open.
The dealer I go to here in Florida is a very small one. They do not have a computer that hooks up to the motor. The 100 hour check is changing oil and lower unit fluid and stuff like that.
Do you think I should find a larger dealer that has more equipment?

[TheTinMan]

Is it possible your hull is waterlogged? Can you take it to a truck scale and get it weighed?

[jackman1939]

I have no idea - right now, anything is possible. I'll go to the weight station and "GIT 'R DONE".
Just had another thought. I have a hell of a time getting the boat all the way up on the trailer.
I back the trailer down into the water and position it so the fenders are just above the water. Then I drive the boat onto the trailer. Once it stops, I have my buddy see if it is far enought up on the trailer - it never is and he signals to me to come forward a foot and a hlf or so. I rev the engine - the boat goes forward some - then won't go any further (and I have the engine really revved up. I have to have him back up the trailer (slowly) - at the same time, I rev the engine and get it further up on the trailer. This process is repeated until my buddy lets me know that the boat hit the front roller. He then pulls the unit out of the water. Upon checking everything (on shore), the boat is 2" away from the front roller. We try and crank it up - it is a ball busting job - that boat just does not want to move on the trailer !!! Just can't get it cranked up all the way to the roller. I thought maybe I had to spray some sort of lubricant on the 2 sliders. They look like 2x6's with a carpet covering.
What happens is when the rig is pulled out of the water, the boat settles on the trailer, and comes to rest 2" from the front roller (which it was hitting before the boat was pulled out).
I will persue the boat being TOO HEAVY aspect of my problem.
thanks God.

[racerx]

the back of ur boat is floating in water and when you pull out it changes the yaw of ur boat. as the stern goes down, the bow comes up. if you cant hop on the trailer further out the water you should raise the bunks in the rear, or lower the nose roller. wich ever is easier on ur rig. also, are you absolutely positive you are reading mph and not knots? the throttle stop on the motor you were talkin bout, is it adjustable? ur second trip was 315 pounds lighter, same rpm, gained 2 mph. sounds like ur not at wide open throttle. and with only 100 hours on that motor, should you be?

[Airslot]

How's she run, smooth or reall smoooth? Any chance she's only firing on 5 holes? Sounds to me like its time to see the tech.

Airslot

[phester]

just a thought here and maybe I'm reachin out a bit,but, in addition to all other possible factors that are making the boat porpoise up and down, not reaching wot rpm, what appears to be low top end [43-44mph w/ a225???] could the t-top be pitched in the wrong direction???? Meaning is it catchin to much air and acting sorta like a parachute??? T-top, lotsa fuel[the tank is kinda aft,isn't it?] a HEAVY motor.....all that is certainly not any help if your looking to keep the bow down. Bottom line is that 225 should get you a least 50-55mph and about 900 more rpms. Airslot brings up a good point as well, I think it may be hard to tell if its not firing on all six, not being to familiar w/ the motor,it may be possible to overlook ???

[jackman1939]

Thanks for your comments!
I am going to take the boat to the weigh station today. Just had the 100 hour checkup done on the engine. The mech said it was fine. It's a small dealership, and they don't have any equipment that hooks up to the Hondas to check whatever.
He also checked for full throttle and said it was wide open when the throttle lever (on the center console) was pushed all the way forward. The WOT stop on the throttle body is NOT adjustable - there is just a part on the TB that sticks out, and the rotating mechanism just hits it.
Yes, I am sure the speed is in MPH - I have a speedometer on the console and it reads about the same as the GPS.
I'll see if I can figure out how to disable one cylinder at a time.
The motor starts right up and runs very smoothly (at all speeds).
The mech said he thought it might be the hull??
Will report more after the weigh-in.

[racerx]

sounds like you need some trim tabs bruddah.

[Seacrets]

If you don't feel a miss at idle to over 5k rpm, you don't have a miss. *If you're still running a 17" pitch prop on a 225 on a 20' boat, I still feel that's your problem. *The previous owner may have been happy with 42 mph. I just repowered with another 150 hp with a 17" four blade prop and I hit 44.7 mph by gps. *It would be faster by about 2 mph if it was a three blade prop. *As mentioned before, my prop came off my 225 hp that was installed on a 97 sea ray laguna 24' boat. *It was alot heavier than my V20 and it ran at 47 mph. *On the 150 hp I hit 5500 rpm which is the max for my engine. *If you haven't yet, I'd talk to a prop shop before I'd tear into other things. *Do a Yahoo search for honda outboard motor test and click on fiberglass, 225 hp and the lowest pitched prop on a 20' boat was 23 and most with a 25" pitch. Some are go fast boats, but look at the pitchs on the 23's. They aren't 17" props. Just my $.02.

[jackman1939]

Just got back from the weigh station. Put the trailer wheels on one part and the front crank wheel on another slab.
Here's what I got:
460 lbs one the front and 4360 on the axel. Total 4820 lbs.
Engine - 610; Ttop & box 130; gas 60 gals @ 6 lbs per = 360; misc gear ~ 200; 2001 galvanized single axel trailer ~ 700. 2000 total lbs (excluding the boat). The boat must weigh ~ 2820 lbs.

[TheTinMan]

I think you have water in your hull. maybe waterlogged foam???

[Airslot]

I'd think the trailer is about 900 and that your hull is fine. Just my .02.

Airslot

[TheTinMan]

Even if he estimated 300lbs. under, he's still 500 lbs. more than it should be??? Sounds as if the engine is running right, what else could it be besides extra weight?

[racerx]

could it be timing?

[macojoe]

Well I did not see what year your boat is??

But you say its 2820# ??

Dry weight from factory on a 1985 CC, is 1920# you are 900# over weight!!

According to Loadrite trailers, there single axle bunk trailer is 675 to 700# depending on which one you get.

trailer 700 + motor 610= 1310 + boat 1920 = 3230 + gas 360 = 3590 + mis 200 = 3790 + T top 130 = 3920 total weight

4820 - 3920 = 900# over what you should be??

Better check for a hold of dead mackrel!! :o

[reelapeelin]

Jackman, it does sound like you may have some extra weight there, but add T-Top, anchors, batteries and other rmisc. items can add up...


as for as your top-end, I'm conviced repropping will get more speed and allow your Honda to spin up to it's max RPM...did you ever get in touch w/ these guys??...they make props FOR honda and are very knowledgable about matchin' props to various rigs...they made mine and it's gettin' all there is from my motor...very happy w/ it ;) ;D

http://www.ptprop.com/

click on ''need help?"...

[jackman1939]

I call the prop place you suggested. Talked to Jeff. He told me I should go to a 15 or 14 pitch prop (same 14 1/4 diameter). He said that would get the RPMs up there, and put less of a strain on the motor. He said to stay with the 4 blade. Only problem is his props were $523 !!
Checked around the net and the closest prop I could come up with was a 14 3/4 X 15 - aluminum 4 blade prop for ~ $ 130.
Not sure what to do. I do think the boat is too heavy (for some unknown reason) - if it were 900 lbs lighter, I'm sure the 17 pitch prop would be ok.
???

[pikfish]

Simple math should tell you that you should not have to drop to a 15" pitch prop to solve your problem. If anything you should need a 21" or 23" pitch to avoid over reving. With a 15" pitch and a 5500rpm red line your max speed will be some where in the mid/low 30"s.

[pikfish]

I suggest that you should test the boat out on a calm day with a light fuel load and just you onboard. This should give you an indication if your problem is weight sensitive. The first test you listed you were carrying 900lbs+ 360lb in passengers and 360+lb in fuel, on the second 600lbs+ plus & fuel. Running alone with a light fuel load you could be as much as 1000 lbs lighter! If this does not make a big differance in the speed/rpm than your problem is probably not a weight related one.

[jackman1939]

Thanks for all your comments.
The red line on my motor is 6200 rpm. WOT only gets me to 5300. The prop people tell me that I am bogging down the engine going at WOT and only getting 5300 rpm.
After checking the web to see what props are available for my motor, I see very few props that have a pitch less than 17. Most are 17 to 21!
Still think there is something wrong with the boat.

[jackman1939]

I will take the boat out with just me and a little fuel. Will let you know what happens.

[turbinedoctor]

I have a 14 X 17 three blade prop on my 90 hp and can get 4800 rpms trimmed up. I think a 225 should need a larger prop than this.

[jackman1939]

Going to Denver for a week to visit my son and his family. Be back on the 8th. Will do some more testing on the V20 them.
Thanks for all your help.

[reelapeelin]

Going to Denver for a week to visit my son and his family. Be back on the 8th. Will do some more testing on the V20 them.
Thanks for all your help.




Have a good trip 8) ...Holler(that's Southern for; "Let us know")...when ya get back ;) ;D ...

[macojoe]

You would never have this problem with a light weight 2 stroker!!

WOW

[spareparts]

this may have been asked allready, but has the tach accuraccy been checked? I've taken brand news out of the box and they been off quite a bit, you'll need to hook up a shop tach and run the boat at WOT to check this

[jackman1939]

Good thought. Will try it when I get back.

[sfprovyn]

I dont know any thing about 4 stroke performance or which one is the fastest but I got a friend who has an old very heavy 19 Mako with a high dollar 130 Honda on it and its VERY heavy and slow.He has a T Top etc and has had to add bennet trim tabs and plug his scuppers as its so *** heavy. With two guys its hard to get up to plane and does not want to hold very well as he is always on the throttle trying to keep it at 3800 or so .At full throttle it is a gas hog but very quiet running.He used to have a nimble little 140 johnson which ran out around 42 but I would doubt if he gets 31 or 32 out of the Honda..I dont think the older boats were designed for such heavy weights and it effects their speed and performance but I could be wrong...I dont think its a horsepower thing...Frank

[jackman1939]

Finally got out on a fresh water lake. I have not been filling up the gas tank, so I can see what she does with a lighter load. The tank is about 5/8 ths full. I had my dog Sasha (40 lbs.) and one friend (160) and me (215). We took off, and the boat was very sluggish - that was when I realized I forgot to put the plug in, and the boat was filling with water. Had to open her up all the way, and have my friend get up in the front of the boat. Turned the bilge on. After 5 minutes (or so) she finally plained out. We ran around for a while until the bilge stopped pumping out water. We got the plug in. After that, it was fun. Truning 5400 rpm and doing 45 mph. Tried to catch some crappies, but didn't have the right equipment on board. Wanted to go out to the gulf this weekend, but too rough.
Will report more when I get out again.
Thanks for your comments.

[macojoe]

put a sign on a ring and hang on the steering wheel,

"PUT PLUG IN!!"

you won't forget again!! After you get use to it get rid of sign.

Glad you got out!! Sounds like she is perfect!

[reelapeelin]

Jackman, my Honda 150 spins up to 6000 on the tach and tops out at 42 mph on GPS...don't know if it's propped wrong or what, but you still got some numbers you're not gettin' yet :) ...


...and my bet is , ya won't soon be forgettin' the plug again ;) ...

[jackman1939]

Well, I did it! Just got fed up with the whole deal. Bought another 1988 V20 with a 200 hp Mariner on it. The boat is in awesome condition - original decals, nice gel coat, no paint. I am taking the stuff off the Bone Crusher and putting it all on the new boat (Ttop, windlass, electronics etc). Just ordered a 2007 Evinrude E-TEC 200 hp motor for it. That engine weighs almost 200 lbs less than the Honda (427 vs 610). I'm psyched - will let you know how it goes. Also ordered 2 Optima 34 batteries for it. Going to install them in the center console.
Having the motor installed January 15th.
Wish me luck.

[Airslot]

Congrats Jackman. Looks like we solved that problem ;D

Congrats again,

Airslot

[reelapeelin]

DANG Jackman :o go ahead, Bro!!... we gotts ta have some pics of the new boat; SPECIALLY after the 200s hangin' on it...keep us posted ;) ...


...will this be ''Bone Crusher II"? ... 8) ...

[macojoe]

Well I think that was one way to fix it!!

But I think you could have made it easier for yourself with just repowering what you had?

Any how, sounds like you going to be all set now!!
Pictures!!

Good Luck!

[jackman1939]

Thanks for the encouragement guys. Know anyone that wants to buy the Bone Crusher (nice trailer too)? Think the new one will be the Bone Crusher II. Will post pix when I take some.

[reelapeelin]

You might do better sellin' V20 and Honda as seperate deals...never did think they were a match... ;) ...

[jackman1939]

That's what I think I will do. Maybe sell the Crusher and the 200hp Mariner and trailer as one package, and the Honda 225 seperately.

[msbhammer]

Reel, that honda you have hanging off the back of your V looks like a sweat Match. I'll take her off your hands if need be. ;)

[reelapeelin]

That's what I think I will do. Maybe sell the Crusher and the 200hp Mariner and trailer as one package, and the Honda 225 seperately.




Now ya talkin' ;) 8) ...

[reelapeelin]

Reel, that honda you have hanging off the back of your V looks like a sweat Match. I'll take her off your hands if need be. ;)


WOW Hammer, that's a mighty fine offer yer makin' me there...WHADDA GUY!! ... lemme think about that for a little while ...OK, times up...I'll keep it ;) ;D ...

[deshet]

sorry to jump in so late but do you have any idea what you would be asking for either of you outboards?

What area do you live in?

thanks

[phester]

I think Jackman is a Fla. guy

[jackman1939]

Hi Guys,

I live in north central Florida (Belleview). My phone number is 352-307-8582.

Here are 2 links to the motors I am selling.

http://orlando.craigslist.org/boa/255160439.html

http://orlando.craigslist.org/boa/254504450.html

Thanks for your interest.
Jack

[wellcraft_20]

i just put a yamaha 200 salt water series on mine and im getting 44 knots (gps) at 5600 rpm

[phester]

those numbers sound like you're right in the ballpark....gotta be happy w/that, Welcome W20

[jackman1939]

The marina called me and my boat is ready !!! I will pick it up Monday. They said it performs great. Can't wait to get it. Will send report as soon as I try it out.

[jackman1939]

Picked up my boat Monday. That 200 E-TEC looks great on the back. Still getting everything hooked up it - windlass, electronics, etc.
The marina people that installed the motor and tested it, said it performs really great - said it planes out in 2 seconds !! wow. Should have it ready to go by Monday. The gulf is still too rough, so I may have to take it to Lake Weir and test it. Will report when I do.

[jackman1939]

Decided to name the new boat (you guessed it) Bone Crusher II.

[phester]

I think you are the first and only member w/ an E-tec....we expect frequent , detailed, analytical performance updates [and pictures].....as RAP would say," you goin' for dawg of the month". Good luck w/ the new power, whats up w/ the Honda or Mariner?

[jackman1939]

I plan to have her on the water Monday.
No bites on either motor yet - probably isn't the best time of year to sell a motor. The St Pete marina has the Mariner - they removed it from BC II when they installed the E-TEC - they are going to try and sell it for me. The Honda is still on the original Bone Crusher.
Will send pix and performance info soon.

[reelapeelin]

Jackman...you may be DAWG of the Month !! ... can't wait to hear about performance #s 8) ...


...didja get small-block 200 or the big HO block ?...

[jackman1939]

Got the small block V60 - weighed almost 100# less that the big block.

[reelapeelin]

Yeah, that's the one I's thinkin' about, too ...that HO might be TOO heavy ... if Bombardier had the 150-200 series out when my ol' Rude gave it up, there'd probably be one on my boat instead of the Honda, so I'm REALLY interested in how yours does ;) 8) ...

[Mac_Attack]

Please keep us posted. *E-TEC 150 is my choice. *

Billy Mac *;D

Here is some reading on the e-tec

http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/SubscriberContent/Articles/Vol01Issue05/General/ETEC1.aspx

[jackman1939]

Taking the Crusher II out tomorrow for the 1st time!! Will let you know know she performed.

[reelapeelin]

Taking the Crusher II out tomorrow for the 1st time!! Will let you know know she performed.



...and some pictures, too ;) ...

[Airslot]

Can't wait for the details. That 200 Etec ought to pop her right on top. Bet she runs like a raped ape compared to what he had.

Airslot

[reelapeelin]

Can't wait for the details. That 200 Etec ought to pop her right on top. Bet she runs like a raped ape compared to what he had.

Airslot




Hope so...gives me wood just thinkin' about havin' that motor on mine ;) ...that'd jerk those skiers outta the water 8) ...

[jackman1939]

Hi Guys,
OK - here's what happened:
Couldn't go out to the gulf (too rough), so I had to settle for the Wacklawaha (not sure how to spell that)River - tide was very low - river is very small. Turned the key - didn't even know the motor was running (quieter than my Honda). No smoke! Shifted smoothly into both gears. Tilted the engine up and proceeded to get into deeper water. Hit the throttle - the boat leaped into plane in a couple of seconds. Trimmed the engine up - got 48 mph and 5600 rpm. Had 2 people in the boat (inc. me) 3/4 tank of gas. Handled beautifully - very pleased. Will send pix soon. Prop is a 14.8X17 aluminum.

[Airslot]

WooooHoooo - Got us an Etec fan now boys. Jackman, would you say that it's a better match than the Honda 225? ;D

Airslot

[THEFERMANATOR]

Hey jackman1939, where did you try to go out of? Did you mean the OCKLAWAHA river? Belleview aint that far from where I am.

[reelapeelin]

Hi Guys,
OK - here's what happened:
Couldn't go out to the gulf (too rough), so I had to settle for the Wacklawaha (not sure how to spell that)River - tide was very low - river is very small. Turned the key - didn't even know the motor was running (quieter than my Honda). No smoke! Shifted smoothly into both gears. Tilted the engine up and proceeded to get into deeper water. Hit the throttle - the boat leaped into plane in a couple of seconds. Trimmed the engine up - got 48 mph and 5600 rpm. Had 2 people in the boat (inc. me) 3/4 tank of gas. Handled beautifully - very pleased. Will send pix soon. Prop is a 14.8X17 aluminum.




Jackman, you is DAWG fo sho ...more info and pics GALORE!!...is 5600 Max?...leaped on plane?... 8) ...

[msbhammer]

My name is fishbone and cant read yet, so post lots of pics. please. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) ::) :P :P :P :P

[jackman1939]

Here's some pix: (Not sure if this is going to work)

http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/Bone Crusher II(1)

[msbhammer]

No Pics. You teasing us. :-/

[jackman1939]

I have the pix on my web site, but I forgot how to insert them into this post!! HELP

[jackman1939]

The river I fished was the Wakasasa? About 14 miles north of Inglis.

[reelapeelin]

I have the pix on my web site, but I forgot how to insert them into this post!! HELP


On your website?...just copy/ paste link here... ;) ...

[turbinedoctor]

I dont think he even has a boat, but I'll show you guys some pics of my boat. Dont pay any attention to the name on the side, it's just an optical illusion. ;D










http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/Bone%20Crusher%20II%20(1).JPG


http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/Bone%20Crusher%20II%20(2).JPG



http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/Bone%20Crusher%20II%20(3).JPG


http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/Bone%20Crusher%20II%20(4).JPG


http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/Bone%20Crusher%20II%20(5).JPG


http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/Bone%20Crusher%20II%20(6).JPG



http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/Bone%20Crusher%20II%20(7).JPG


Sweet looking set up. Cant wait to here more about how it runs.

[Airslot]

Wow, nice lookin ride there. Hmmm, bet ya REEL's got wood ;D

Airslot

[parishht]

How do you like the e-tec?

All I read and hear is good, maybe when the lottery finds me
I can get one.

[jackman1939]

Going to try and post a pic here.

http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/flipper.gif

[jackman1939]

Hey !!! It worked. I see my picture - thanks for the lesson.

[jackman1939]

Thanks Turbine for posting my pix!

[msbhammer]

Me likey, likey. ;D Great pics. REEL, you still got wood or taking a cold shower. ;D

[reelapeelin]

Me likey, likey. ;D Great pics. REEL, you still got wood or taking a cold shower. ;D





Cold shower from 200' well and that's COLD WATER and I STILL got wood...I gotta find another thread ;D ...

[turbinedoctor]

Jackman: I almost stole some of your pics. That dolphin was one of them.

[Mac_Attack]

Very nice looking boat! *And the E-TEC Please post a picture of your E-Tec guages. *Billy Mac *;D

[phester]

NICE! :o

[reelapeelin]

Isn't Jackman's "V" the first to post here w/ an E-Tec ... can we, like have a parade or somethin'?...

[macojoe]

Very nice boat! I vote Crushers CC the nicest CC on this site!!

Hip Hip Hoary!!

[reelapeelin]

Very nice boat! I vote Crushers CC the nicest CC on this site!!

Hip Hip Hoary!!




Well I've been on labii's CC...even Jackman gonna have to go some to beat that ;) ...

[lumberslinger178]

nice pics ,,,,,,,,,,,, how fast does it go????

[reelapeelin]

Slinger, I don't think he's posted top-end yet...I'm hopin' for hi-40s... ;) ...

[Airslot]

Hi Guys,
OK - here's what happened:
*Hit the throttle - the boat leaped into plane in a couple of seconds. *Trimmed the engine up - got 48 mph and 5600 rpm. *Had 2 people in the boat (inc. me) 3/4 tank of gas. *Handled beautifully - very pleased. *Will send pix soon. *Prop is a 14.8X17 aluminum.


REEL, I thinnk there's a pretty good chance of getting into the high 40's ;D

Airslot

[reelapeelin]

REEL, I thinnk there's a pretty good chance of getting into the high 40's ;D

Airslot





Well, DUHH!! ::) ...I remember that now...thanks, Slot ;) ...

[jackman1939]

Check out my reply 86 for specs. Going out Sunday to the gulf - weather is supposed to be great !!! Here's a pic when I fished the Wakasasa a week ago.

http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/Jack%20and%20redfish1.jpg

[reelapeelin]

Nice Red, Jackman!!...and I think you've got the perfect "V" motor there...weight/ horsepower, like it was MADE for these boats... 8) ...

[reelapeelin]

Check out my reply 86 for specs.





Hope ya have some fun in the Gulf...and brang home some Sea-Meat while yer at it ;) ...


Any more specs comin'?...time to plane...cruise @ 4 grand etc? Can't get EENUFF!! ;D ...

[jackman1939]

I will send more specs if I get out tomorrow - weather is changing.
I bought my Etec from a marina in St Petersberg. Husband and wife company - very good service. He is very knowlegable about boat and motors. I asked him if I should get the big big block - he said " that 200 V60 small block was made for boats specifically like the V20".
He loved the way it handled and performed. I have hydraulic steering on it.
It is a great rig !!

[phester]

Jackman ,watch out behind ya,....looks like a 30 ft. anaconda sneakin' up :o Beautiful boat/motor. I like my 150 OceanRunner but I love that E-tech

[jackman1939]

You're right, that does look like an anaconda !
Fishing trip got cancelled for today. Looks like the weather is going to be bad for the rest of the week :-(

[randlemanboater]

Looks like you will have to sit at the house drinking margaritas stareing at the back of your boat giggling....atleast thats what I would do.

[reelapeelin]

Yep, randleman...you 'bout wrapped up the whole spirit of this board in that post ;) ;D ...

[THEFERMANATOR]

Fishing trip got cancelled for today. *Looks like the weather is going to be bad for the rest of the week :-(

I guess I'm just nuts then, I took my boat out today. But I only went trolling out of HERNANDO BEACH, caught a JACK. I couldn't take another SUNDAY sitting at home, or working.

[willy]

You ain't nuts, you also wrapped up the spirit of this site ;)

[garagenc]

I can't wait to have mine fixed and back in the water, I'd have taken her out yesterday even though it was 39 degrees here but I wouldn't have cared.

[phatdaddy]

it was 55* & sunny with slight northerly breeze, so we loaded up & trolled for about 30 minutes, then found a spot out of the wind and enjoyed the sun . I also listened to LSU basketball, ate vienna sausage w/ crystal hot sauce & read a Randy Wayne White book.

[randlemanboater]

it was 55* & sunny with slight northerly breeze, so we loaded up & trolled for about 30 minutes, then found a spot out of the wind and enjoyed the sun . *I also listened to LSU basketball, ate vienna sausage w/ crystal hot sauce & read a Randy Wayne White book.

I had to work. :'(

[garagenc]

Sorry about your luck chuck!!

Hey 2 more post and I hit the 100 mark, Now comes the decision: When I post #99 then do I post some undeserving bull #hit for #100 or do I make it worth while so it adds something educational to the site, or post some pic of the hottest babe I can find, or something dealing with the effects of adult beverages or my favorite PORN!!

Do we want to take a survey?

[randlemanboater]

I have been posting useless crap my whole time on this board, I highly recommend it.

[reelapeelin]

I have been posting useless crap my whole time on this board, I highly recommend it.






That's what I do, too ;) ...

[parishht]

something educational to the site, or post some pic of the hottest babe I can find


That is educational, isn't it?

What about your favorite sex toys, like HAMMER's swing.

[reelapeelin]

Yes, I have learned much here... 8) ...

[garagenc]

Well I ended up posting hopefully useful information for my 100, but now I know what's expected then I'll post some of my useless thoughts, born in a sick mind cluttered with guilt of having to work inlieu of broading my experiences of fishing techniques amassed while in a state clouded with the effects of adult beverages.

[macojoe]

I have been posting useless crap my whole time on this board, I highly recommend it.


Yea we know Fishbone Jr. ;) ;D

[randlemanboater]

born in a sick mind cluttered with guilt of having to work inlieu of broading my experiences of fishing techniques amassed while in a state clouded with the effects of adult beverages.


Thats more like it.

[garagenc]

I thought ya'll might like that (in case you northern boys aren't sure what ya'll means) it's short "you all"

[jackman1939]

Here's some pix of my latest work on the Bone Crusher II:

http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/gauges%20only.JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/full%20console.JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass.jpg

[Mac_Attack]

Looks nice, thanks for posting! Billy Mac ;D

[phester]

lookin' good

[jackman1939]

Just put the Bone Crusher up for sale.
Check it out:
http://orlando.craigslist.org/boa/299672844.html

[Airslot]

Jackman, please post some more pics of the anchor pulpit, front, side, and one from slightly underneath, please?

Thanks,

[jackman1939]

Ok AIR - here they are:

http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass%20(1).JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass%20(2).JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass%20(3).JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass%20(4).JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass%20(5).JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass%20(6).JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass%20(7).JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass%20(8).JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass%20(9).JPG
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/windlass%20(10).JPG

[Airslot]

Thank you very, very much. Gave me some more ideas. ;D

[reelapeelin]

Nice set-up, Jack ;) ...good work on the pulpit 8) ... that anchor a NORTON SNAGGER if ever I saw one ;) ;D ;D ...

[jackman1939]

OK guys,
went fishing today

http://home.cfl.rr.com/jackman1939/DSC00002.JPG

put 55 miles on the boat - 19.5 gallons of gas = 2.8 mpg - most of the travel was 43 mph
5000 rpm = 43 mph
5500 = 46 WOT
14.5X19 SS prop
full tank of gas - 2 people (~430 lbs)
The E-TEC is quieter than the Honda
Starts instantly (every time).
Love the motor.

[reelapeelin]

Jack...ya'll havin' TOO much fun down there!!... ;D ...great pix and thank for the numbers!!... ;) ...

[jackman1939]

Hi Guys,
I'm back. Have been enjoying my rig!
Need some help with something:

I'm smelling some gas fumes in my boat.
Looked at the top of the gas tank (where the fuel gauge sensor goes into it) - nothing leaking there. Peeked around other places, but could not pinpoint anything.
Any ideas?
thanks

[Blue_Runner]

Is the smell constant or do you just smell it after the tank is full?

[randlemanboater2]

I just replaced the gas fill hose on mine, it got rid of the gas smell. If you have original hoses, thats probably it.

I just hope it aint the tank leaking.

[lumberslinger178]

I get heavy gas fumes for the first hour after filling tank , the vent is in arms reach of helm the dually dosent have that side windshield to block the wind while moving

[spareparts]

mix some food coloring( make sure its coloring only, no sugar) with 1 gal of gas(use green or blue, red is hard to track in a boat, too close to fiberglass resin color) pur it into the tank and see if *and where it shows up, you can buy some florecent coloring that shows up with a black light

[reelapeelin]

Fumes huh ??? ... sounds like a dangerous situation ... I recommend you remove the E-Tec and send it to me ASAP!!...




No kiddin'...is it after filling?...do you fill to top? ...tanks topped-off can many times overflow their vents due to cold gas from ground tank EXPANDING as the gas heats up ...specially in the FL sunshine...

Check hoses for deterioration, connections for loose fit ... and if Spare's suggestion about the food coloring doesn't yield results, find a shop that can do a pressure leak-down test on your tank...keep us posted on how it goes ;) ...

[jackman1939]

Thanks for the tips guys.
The last time I went out, and returned, I did not fill 'er up all the way (maybe 5 gallons short). Have not smelled the fumes.
The E-Tec runs great !!

[reelapeelin]

The E-Tec runs great !!



You a DAWG!! ;D ;D ;D...