transom bracket

[robdawg2023]

we are looking for a transom bracket for our 200 h.p. what are some company names to look for?

[reelapeelin]

Armstrong and Stainless Marine are two ... there are some other good ones out there, but can't think of 'em right now ... Google Marine Brackets or Outboard brackets and see what happens??...


Another one called Gill Brackets I think...

[THEFERMANATOR]

DAD's MARINE(AKA D&D MARINE) and VIKING MARINE are another 2. And here is one that lists them on EBAY, A&J MARINE WELDING. And there is HERMCO who makes fiberglass ones, as well as ALLMAND BOATS makes fiberglass ones.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AME WA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320126878056&rd=1,1
http://www.custommarinewelding.com/

[spareparts]

i think there are like 6 bracket manufactures, go to D & D marine, they have the links to all the competing brands. Look thru the archives here, there is a lot of work and set up involved to get it right, check with classicseacraft.com also, there has been a lot of research involved on brackets there

[robdawg2023]

thanks for all the good info. ; ;D

[macojoe]

What ever you get make sure it is a flotation bracket!!

[reelapeelin]

What ever you get make sure it is a flotation bracket!!




Yeah!!...and one that FLOATS, too ... ;D ;D ...

[msbhammer]

Let me know what bracket you get. I'll go and pick it up for ya. ::)

[BlueH2O]

HELP.... :o

I was told today by a very reputable boat dealer, who also manufactures his own boat line that a bracket on a 20 ft boat is NOT a good idea..

He stated that even with the flotation under the bracket, the motor will submerge when stopping, in a following sea & when drifting with a following sea... He went on & on about the bad things about a bracket on a 20 ft boat.....

I was going to use a 150 to 175 to keep the weight down but he said even this was not good..

I just bought a really nice V20 with a SeaDrive that I wanted to replace with a bracket & outboard, but now I am getting the heebie jeebies.... as I intend to do a lot of jetty & offshore fishing with this rig....

Help please from those of you who have done this.

Thanks,

BlueH2O

[bradford]

Ask Mj how his bracketed outboard fared during heavy seas. ;) ;) ;D

[BlueH2O]

OK, I'll ask... * ???

Macojoe, how did your boat do with the bracket?? *What engine is on it??? *

I am talking to D&D about a bracket with a LARGE flotation tank on it....

BlueH2O

[Blue_Runner]

I'll let MJ explain his story but I can tell you that when installed correctly with the right bracket on a V20 the motor will not dunk.

The bracket guys on the site should be able to answer any of your questions. ;) 8)

Don't get freaked out until you've talked with them.

[BlueH2O]

Thanks BR... I am not giving up... I really want to use this hull & I now have come across twin 150 Yamahas that I can buy right... One on the boat with a spare....

Thanks for you support,

BlueH2O

[Mulv80]

Your right H20, V-20's with brackets sink almost immediately. You should sell me your boat before anyone gets hurt ;)

[Blue_Runner]

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I think you are gonna hear alot of this bologna ;D

[Mulv80]

The only thing worst than a V-20 with a bracket is the later model Wellcraft V-21's, they don't even float ;D

[BlueH2O]

Mulv

Thanks for the heads up... ::) but I think I will see this through.. it ain't my first rodeo with an old boat .. just my first with a bracket.....

I am still pretty sure that a D&D bracket & a Yammie 150 will work out just right.... might have to borrow some hot air to put in the hull to help with flotation.... 8)

BlueH2O
On the Texas Coast waiting for TD 5 & TS Dean.... :o

[kamikaze]

Blueh20:

I assume since your replacing a Sea drive I asusme that you have a cutty cabin and not a center console? The reason I ask is that the difference in installing a bracket is significant between the two. MJ and Willy (Old school) both had cutty's with brackets installed and from what I hear they have no complaints. On the other hand BuilderFl and I have center consoles with bracket and both of us are currently working through issues with weight distrubution to address problems that arose after installing the bracket. ByGracealone has a dually with a non-floation Gill bracket installed but I haven't heard form him regarding performance as of yet. Although is common, each configuration acts differently to the installation of a bracket, there is not a one size fits all rule for installation. PM me if more questions.

Kamikaze

[whatknot]

What the.. . Dang-it. What's all this mess about brackets on a 20 CC. I just bought one and I'm in the process of putting a 150 Yami on it. Now is a good time for those who have this setup to tell me I did'nt make a mistake.....

[msbhammer]

Go Bracket I say. and Post pics. of your V. We gotta see. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Whatknot...sory bud, your screwed with that Bracket. I'll gladly take it off your hands for free. ;D

[BlueH2O]

I am going to go with a D&D Bracket w/ 7' swim platform & a 150 Yammie..

That is if my motor deal works out....

I will take some pix as soon as Dean decides what he is gonna do.. Right now the path is looking like it will knock on our front door..... 52 miles inland from Port O'Connor, Texas & 26 miles as crow flies from closest bay.... We do not get the storm surge here in Victoria, but get the wind & rain....

Thanks for all the help & offers to take my old sinking boat off my hands.. :P ;D

BlueH2O

[Bygracealone]

Blueh20:

I assume since your replacing a Sea drive I asusme that you have a cutty cabin and not a center console? The reason I ask is that the difference in installing a bracket is significant between the two. MJ and Willy (Old school) both had cutty's with brackets installed and from what I hear they have no complaints. On the other hand BuilderFl and I have center consoles with bracket and both of us are currently working through issues with weight distrubution to address problems that arose after installing the bracket. ByGracealone has a dually with a non-floation Gill bracket installed but I haven't heard form him regarding performance as of yet. Although is common, each configuration acts differently to the installation of a bracket, there is not a one size fits all rule for installation. PM me if more questions.

Kamikaze


To be quite honest, I'm wondering if I made a mistake by going with a non-flotation bracket and the Johnson 200. All this talk about porpoising has got me really worried, especially since the duallies have practically no weight at all up front...

I brought my V to the water the other day to have the idle adjusted by one of my neighbors. I didn't back the boat all the way off the trailer, but she did seem to be a bit heavy in the back. I hope to take her down later today, we'll see. I sure hope that all this hard work wasn't a waste time :-/

Does anybody know the difference in weight between a Johnson 200 and a 150? I may need to think about looking for a 150... However, it's still too early to say with certainty. I'll let you know how it goes.

Steve B

[Blue_Runner]

I think you'll be fine. Don't get overly worried just yet.

Keep us posted.

[randlemanboater2]

BGA,

That seadrive you removed weighed more than your 200 and bracket, probably by 200 pounds, dont fret.

[Bygracealone]

Thanks for the votes of confidence boys. I'll keep you posted on how things go.

[macojoe]

Well I am late but just found this!!

Tell who ever told you this to stick his info were the sun doesn't shine!!

I have a 1975 V20 Cuddy, full transome with Stainless marine bracket with full swim platform, and 25" shaft 175 hp Evinrude.

Here is my boat at reat in the water

http://syncboard.com/albums/Fishing/Picture_012_Medium.sized.jpg

http://syncboard.com/albums/Fishing/Picture_013_Medium.jpg

http://syncboard.com/albums/Fishing/Picture_014_Medium.sized.jpg

as you can see I am out of the water more then most transom mounted motors, and that is a 30" set back.

I have never 2nd guessed myself after I was done!! The boat performs, better now then it ever did!!
She gets on plan fast, more adjustment with the trim, and handles great!!

I guess the only draw back it that its slow turning takes a little getting use to cause it is now a 23 footer then a 20 footer.

I have never taken a wave over the motor except once, and that was when a ten footer hit me!, But the top of the motor never went under even when boat was full of water and listing to one side!!
As a matter a fact I say the Bracket saved what could have made a bad situation worse!
When the boat filled with water from the wave its the floatation that kept the motor up and its the bracket that got hit from under with a wave and saved the day!

go bracket and you never regreat it!! Just do it right!!

what else do you want to know?

[kamikaze]

Blueh20: Do you have a center console?

MJ: Yours is a cutty and Bygracealone has a Dually. They are completely different beasts than a Center Console when it comes to weight distribution. Inn my experience center consoles need more weight up front. Which is why I am moving my gas tank forward and Builder FL floods his fish box with water. Adding the bracket is not a problem and suspect when done right will add performance. Mine isn't there yet, but it will be soon.

Steve: You had a sea drive before if I remember right? There's no way what your hanging weighs any more than what was on it before! I won't worry about it. Beside the flotation doesn't help that much. If the boat is balance there is not to much of the bracket that is displacing water anyways. Regardless of what is advertised - that the true measure of flotation. I agree it helps, but I don't think it's going to make that much of difference in the long run.


Kamikaze

[Bygracealone]

Kamikaze, you were right! I just got back from my maiden voyage. She ran nicely! I was only out for a few minutes, but she got on plane in one, two, three. The boat handled like a charm.

Thanks again for the great deal you gave me on the bracket; it worked out even better than I had hoped.

You can see some pics that I posted in the general section entitled BGA's maiden voyage.

[kamikaze]

Steve:

Boat looks great. You know it's already a classic, slowly restoring it not going to make it more valuable ;D Didn't I sell you that bracket over a year ago! I take it you had no problem with the prop ventilating/spinning out?

Kamikaze

[Bygracealone]

Kamikaze,

Indeed, it's been one whole year since I stopped by your place to pick it up! So, it's been al long time coming (too long!), butI'm glad to finally have her on the water.

I'll have to take her out again with a passenger so that I can pay more attention to other areas of the boat. But as far as I can tell, the prop isn't spinning out. I don't have a speedometer on the boat, so I'm curious to know how fast I was going at 4500 RPM's.

Man, with the motor that far back, she was quiet even at the higher RPM's.

[BlueH2O]

Great input.. thanks everyone... BGA.. glad your setup worked out so well..

This may prompt me to use a 200 instead of a 150.. along with a flotation bracket..

Yes, in answer to a couple of questions, my "New" V-20 is a cuddy cabin... with a 1.6 Sea Drive..

The boat is in super shape, one owner, garage kept.. been sitting without running the last 4 years, but she will get used now.... ;D

I will take some pictures after this little hurricane decides which way it is going.. Mexico I hope.... as I am 25 miles from Matagorda Bay.....Got everything battened down for now....

Thanks again everyone....

BlueH2O

[axespino]

What part of Matagorda do you live in. I live in on Carancuha Bay but grew up in Palacios.

[BlueH2O]

axespino

I actually live in Victoria, but fish out of POC, Seadrift or Pt Lavaca....

I just sold my 05 Boatright shallow water boat so I could concentrate on Tarpon, Triple Tail, Snook & near offshore.... & avoid all the wade fishermen....

BlueH2O

[axespino]

I work at Lyondell between Victoria and Bloomington.

[BlueH2O]

I currently work for a company who manufactures oilfield equipmnent, but am going to be RETIRED as of the end of the year..... No more flying all over the world in an aluminum tube.......

Then it is "Gone Fishing" on a regular basis.....

Which V-20 are you running?? What motor etc ??

Going to try to get mine in the water ASAP... but may be the end of Sept before I get the new bracket & motor on....

Maybe we could buddy boat offshore some day...

BlueH2O

[axespino]

I have 4 V20's and none of them run. *I have 3 cuddy's and one center console. *One of the cuddy's has the motor mounted but I need to hook up the wiring and install the gas tanks. *These are 73 and 74 models. *I hope to have it running in a month or so for the fall fishing at the big jetties. *I have a 150 johnson mounted on the boat. *I had a 175 evinrude on my first boat and it would do 42 to 44mph. *

[bkurtz5001]

What is the diff in a floating and non floating bracket. Mine looks custom made, out of steel about 1/4'' thick but open on the inside and completely sealed. When i got the boat the bow seemed to ride to high. I did some research and bought these things called "smart tabs" i got the 80lb version and it is a world of difference, i suggest lookin at these. No switches and i put mine on in 30 min. I cruise 32kts @ 4200 rpm in 2-3footers easily.... 200 merc though

[macojoe]

A floation bracket is one that after install has a hollow in the center, like yours.
They are good but really not a ture floation bracket cause if the bracket was to leak it would fill and then be worthless.
A ture floation would be sealed completly with some kind of plastic container and there are some around like that.

I have the same as yours and its good for me!

Sounds like you have a great set up! Welcome to the site!!

[reelapeelin]

A floation bracket is one that after install has a hollow in the center, like yours.
They are good but really not a ture floation bracket cause if the bracket was to leak it would fill and then be worthless.
A ture floation would be sealed completly with some kind of plastic container and there are some around like that.


I thought a FLOTATION bracket was foam-filled ??? ...

[2ndchance]

BlueH2O
You can't go wrong with a bracket. I think that we are still graced with MJ's presence because he had one on his V. I am running a 115 on my 18" set back bracket and have not had an issue with my motor dunking and becuase of the performance benefits of the bracket I can run a 115 with no issues.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t270/2ndchance_2007/Wellcraft2207094.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t270/2ndchance_2007/Wellcraft2207095.jpg
My bracket is not filled with foam and it is considered a floatation bracet. You mnhave to be able to get to the mounting bolts for the bracket and the motor.

[msbhammer]

There we go again, 2ndchance teasing me again with his bracket. >:( >:( >:( >:( ;D

[macojoe]

I am still here!! ;)

And I have a bracket on the Sea Ox I just bought with a 225 Evinrude on it! ;D

[mushman]

I'm new here, but I do have a bracket so I figured I'd post it.
I had a sea drive, and now have a Armstorng Marine.I couldn't be happier the boat rides great.
Here's a pic.I could use a good cleaning, I'll get to it this winter.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mushmouth/sep2007013.jpg

[macojoe]

welcome to the site!! Nice looking V you got there ;)

[willy]

Blue in regards to the bracket I have experience like MJ in owning a cuddy V20 with an Armstrong 28" set back and a Johnson 4cyl 2stroke 115hp on it. I also have experience on two other VCuddy's with brackets and larger motors. And basically this is what I found.
1. Your performance and fuel economy with a bracket will be increased, my 115hp performed better than some 150's I have had the pleasure to run on.
2. The ride characteristics can be fickle and will vary from extrordinary to horrible. Boats that are unbalanced weight wise will porpoise in the water and if the boat you are mounting it on sits a$$ heavy you will be disappointed for a few reasons.
3. Two V's I tested with 30' Brackets and large heavy V6 motors never completely dunked the motor in the conditions I had them but came close, if I was fishing them in the conditions I fished Old School they would have definetly dunked(drifting thru inlets and points with steep standing waves etc. ) Also just coming off plane caused one to bury the exhaust everytime.
4. The slow manuevering in the marina etc. is trickier but not a major problem. You get used to it and learn to compensate for it pretty quick.
5. The flotation, though not substantial definetly helps, not so much because of volume but because where it is located. So if you have the oppurtunity get a flotation bracket, the Armsrongs are not sealed but have a water tight inspection port on top and mine did not leak even after years of use.
6. Others here may disagree with me but in my opinion putting a heavy V6 motor at the end of a thirty inch bracket on the V's, or any 20 foot boat is a mistake, that is with a cuddy, putting one on a CC would be outright dangerous in my humble opinion.
This is my thought on that, it is based on personal experience only and others may have had other experience and I certainly would not discount any of the fellows on this site especially but the most important thing about how sea worthy over all any boat is balance, the boat should sit level at rest, that is how the hull is designed to be. That is how the boat is supposed to be to get rid of water taken over the gunnels and to handle all sea conditions. Our boats are only self bailing when we are moving forward, under power, and frankly the reason MJ and his friend are here today to talk wiith us and annoy us is because God smiled on him and he had a good motor that did not fail him after being tossed around and dunked.
If you are doing a bracket this is how I would do it, get an Armstrong or other quality makers bracket with built in floatation, speak to them on the phone and get the least amount of set back that will be needed, not 1 inch more.
Have someone who is well experienced help or install it for you as mounting height is critical for them.
Put the lightest motor you can on that sucker because weight is not your friend sitting out back of your transom. There can be substantial weight diferences between motors so go by spec's.
Because of the bracket my 115hp Johnson 2chocker moved my 1985 V20 Cuddy smartly at 35-38 MPH fully loaded with three guys and full tank along with a enclosure up. It also got up on plane quick and handled well. That was plenty for me, it also sipped gas.
The max I would consider is a 150. Take a look in the gallery, look for Old School under me or the previous owner Filllet1, look at the pics and pay particular attention to where the scupper drains sit at rest and how the boat is balanced.
That is one of the major reasons I bought her. It is very important.

[Zebra]

What he said...

Willy, good reply.

[msbhammer]

Still waiting on those pics. Blue. Did you think "The CulT" would ever forget. ;D

[macojoe]

Willy is right on the mark!

But I like to add that backing down with a bracket boat also sucks, you have to go slow and with little control!

Also agree with my 175 being a bit heavy, but with no scupers to deal with I had no problems.

I also belive the only reason that I am here today is the bracket!!
When that boat filled with water and it was on its way to the bottom, it was a wave that hit that bracket and lifted the motor out of the water and gave me the needded power to push that boat just enough to get level again!

I will never say a bracket is a bad thing as long as it is installed right!

My new Sea Ox 23' is also a bracket and handles great@

[2ndchance]

Willey, if I ever need an important letter wrote I will be calling you, great post. Blue have you bought your bracket yet ;D?

[bigshrimpin]

I love my bracket!!
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/album157/PB250309_Medium.jpg
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/album117/DSCN7023_Medium.jpg

[C YENSEN]

Nice pics BS! she looks like she flies :o

[whatknot]

I know this has prolly been touched on before. Does anyone have a 150 on a bracket hangin on a 1985 center console? And if so, how does she sit and ride? I'm in the restore process and this boat has not been in the water yet. Thanks

[macojoe]

Yes there is, But I forget all names here :-/

Any way CC does not make as good a conversion as a cuddy.

[Blue_Runner]

Hey BS that bracket looks homemade ;D

[bigshrimpin]

It's my best arts and crafts project ever ;D That's only 3/4 throttle too :)

http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Tims%20Bracket/DSCN5875.JPG
http://www.casdvm.com/photos/Tims%20Bracket/DSCN5855.JPG

[whatknot]

Shrimp'n,

I have no earthly idea what the phuc you're doing, but I say leave the mask on and keep drinkin'.....

[whatknot]

ok. I just went back to it. That is the best image (other than some off topic stuff) that I've seen yet. I need one of them drinking masks. That way, I won't look like my photo I.D. LOL

[whatknot]

ok, I had been drinking last night. I see it's your bracket layout. Sometimes I'm a little slow. All kidding aside, It looks great! Fantastic job.

[Airslot]

Posting while drinking; been there, done that. Sometimes its fun to read the next day :o ;D