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TheTinMan
02-05-2006, 12:13 PM
Hanoi Jane is actually being considered for Top 100 Women!

I copy and pasted this from the internet, ther's more too.

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA
HONORING A TRAITOR

This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned, fed, clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat.
At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this,
I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me.

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance

sfprovyn
02-05-2006, 02:16 PM
Ronald: I know how you feel but unless they were there at the time most people could care less and thats just the way it is. They will stand in line to buy her fake sweat BS work out videos , watch her on Oprah and Larry King , go see her movies , buy her books etc. Its impossible to try to describe to people so why bother. We were all baby killers drafted into an un popular war which was not even a declared war that no one really understood so we were easy prey for everyone. I went from a farm in Kansas to way up in northern Quang Tri proivince during the TET offensive .Our ambush team got cut off and could not get back in to the base camp for 17 days because Janes NVA friends were everywhere and contrary to what she said about them they were not very nice people. The fear of running out of ammo and Being taken prisioner was the only thing that kept us going. My hats off to all you guys who lived through the POW experience, I am not sure I could of done that..Regards Frank

TheTinMan
02-05-2006, 02:26 PM
^ I'm not Ronald. I copied this from the internet.

Unlike you, I was not over there but I do care. I'm sure there are others, like me, that care too.

The whole point of this is to inform the general public of Hanoi Jane. She, in no way, should be one of the century's top 100 women...period.

Copy and paste the above post into your email and send it to everyone in your address book and tell them to do the same.

p.s. Frank, thanks for fighting for our country. You are the HERO, not her!

JeffXJ
02-05-2006, 03:17 PM
So I must brag about my youth......again ::)

I know how you feel but unless they were there at the time most people could care less and thats just the way it is. They will stand in line to buy her fake sweat BS work out videos , watch her on Oprah and Larry King , go see her movies , buy her books etc. Its impossible to try to describe to people so why bother

Ok, so I'm ONLY 33 which means I was just a baby at the end of Vietnam, BUT I care along with most people from my generation and no, I don't buy her books, or whatch her fake workout vids or listen to her on Oprah. I think she should've been tried for treason, the survives and families of the victims she hurt by her ignorance should sue and I'm still wondering what the statue of limitations are on teason. Unfortunatly, it was up to Hanoi Fanda's generation to do something about her and they didn't...Or did they? I've caught several episodes on the history channel throughout the years about her and they never portray her in a good manner. I think the majority of americans across all generations have a great dislike for her. Most people who watch her on Oprah are probably trying to figure out what type of person does what she did. I have never heard anyone (not including the media) defend her actions. Living in a military town, I've never heard her name mentioned in a positive manner from young to old. The only support I think she has are from the Hillary Clinton types along with the other extreme protesters of the Vietnam war.

If any good came from her extremist actions (treason, in my opinion) I think it's come in the way people choose to protest military action. No longer are the troops being critised, mistreated and blamed for miltary action they were ordered to carryout, but the focus of protest is being placed on the politicians who made the decisions to send the troops in the first place. I would argue that most people saw the ignorance of what Fonda did as part of the reason we don't see that today.

Just as a side note, I wish Fonda would do the same thing in Iraq that she did in Vietnam. I'd love to see what would happen if she went to meet with extremist Muslims! I'm thinking we might not see her again! ;D

Oh yeah, why the H!@#ll is being considered for the "Top 100 Women" in the first place? And who is considering her? I think she would top the list of "Top 100 HATED women in America" but that's just my opinion...Besides, what do I know, I wasn't there :P

TheTinMan
02-05-2006, 04:09 PM
More info:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hanoijane.htm

willy
02-05-2006, 06:22 PM
Don't need or want more info Tin, she is a dispicable pile of crap but there are always those who worship celebrities like Oprah Fonda etc, etc.
They are without character and are the human version of sheep.
Was just a working cop doing duty at a festival going on in our town, had Gov. Jim Florio (crap) walk in on a publicity type romp with the locals followed by a couple of press types. I tried to avoid it but he came right at me stuck his hand out in front of me and said Jim Florio I said I know and turned and walked away. The local politicos wanted to burn me at the stake. But he just slinked away didn't say a damn thing. There are a lot of men and women who know, but there are even more sheep in this world and thats why Fonda types survive

reelapeelin
02-06-2006, 11:57 AM
I think it should also be pointed out that Lady Bird Johnson's family were major shareholders in United Airlines during the Viet Nam debacle...United had HUGE gov't contracts to fly our newly-trained troops to VN...in short, the 1st Lady and her family were PROFITING from every soldier flown into that hell, and moreso by the ones killed, as United got to fly the replacements in...

Support our trooops...you're damn right I do...I'm dead against sending them into harm's way unless this country is directly threatened (see WWII for an example)...and stop tryin' to police the world w/all our pre-emptive military actions...

sfprovyn
02-06-2006, 01:25 PM
I was out in Kansas City last summer on a Harley poker run with some of my OLD Army buddies when she was doing her book selling gig at a little strip mall where we stopped for lunch and I got to say people were lined up three deep to see her but probably a lot of them were just curious as they were not around when she did what she did and thats understandable. I guess she has to live with it like all of us who have done things in our youth that will haunt us forever. Forgive and forget is fine up to a point but she is very lucky someone has not settled up with her..Frank

reelapeelin
02-06-2006, 02:44 PM
When I see Japanese veterans and American veterans from WWII shake hands today and embrace each other with tears in their eyes, it demonstrates to me that ''forgive and forget'' knows no bounds...

At the time, I was dead set against VN war, but would NEVER have given up info to put any US soldier in trouble...nor would I have taken a machine-gun and mowed down innocent civilians...there were wrongs commited by lots of people at the time...I'm not sure we should ever ''forget'', but I'm pretty sure it's time for ''forgiveness''...

BTW...reason I was deadset against the VN war was that it was senselessly taking the LIVES of thousands of young Americans who were there by no choice of their own...this I know 1st hand...our freedom isn't free...but we weren't fighting for our freedom over there...

willy
02-06-2006, 03:38 PM
Japanese soldiers and American soldiers warriors meeting years after conflict and embracing they have the right to forgive and forget

Treasoness crap should have been stoned and imprisoned. Men and women with honor and dignity should not have to suffer the sight of Fonda.

Blue_Runner
02-06-2006, 06:50 PM
...a whole lotta $$ was made over the VN war and I'm sure the same is happening in Iraq. $ = corruption plain and simple.