Installing NFB Steering Helm [Archive] - Wellcraft V20 Community

Bygracealone

09-26-2006, 02:47 PM

Hey guys,

I'm to the point where I've removed the old hydraulic steering and have run the new steering cable through the gunwale. *

As I was getting ready to install the bezel and the helm, I noticed that the existing hole from the previous helm is too big for the new one. *I have to make the hole smaller. *What should I do? *I know one option would be to glass in the hole with plywood, but would that be smart? *All of the stress from the new helm would be placed right within the patch area. *Should I consider glassing along with a piece of aluminum going across that whole face of that section where the steering wheel goes? *

Here's the hole as it exists now:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Wiring%20and%20Steering/100_1303.jpg

brianct12

09-26-2006, 08:02 PM

Grace, Hmmm - thats a tough one. An easy solution hasnt come to me yet - maybe someone else will figure it out. The way I see it - you would have to pull the whole dash console off. I would make a round disc of wood that is a tight fit to the existing hole. Then I would securely attach that to a backer plate. Then, the backer plate could be securely fastened to the inside of the dash console. Lag screws, epoxy and glass, etc for the secure fastening. Good luck.

msbhammer

09-26-2006, 09:08 PM

Can you just use a thick piece of starboard ???

Franco

09-26-2006, 09:39 PM

Hammer has the answer

Bygracealone

09-26-2006, 10:33 PM

Thanks guys!!! Starboard it is--easy enough...

Airslot

09-26-2006, 10:45 PM

BGO, here's another possibily. Teleflex has excellent customer sercive. I'd bet if you call and ask that they have an adapter of some sort that will make your installation a bolt in. Probably even cheaper than Starboard and might look pretty slick.

Airslot

TheTinMan

09-26-2006, 10:56 PM

If Teleflex doesn't come through, how about a nice piece of round teak bigger than the hole???

something like this;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/BobsMako23006.jpg

macojoe

09-26-2006, 11:32 PM

3/4 Starboard will be more then anough and will last 10 lifetimes!!

Skools Out

09-26-2006, 11:55 PM

bygrace i've got what you need will get pics tomorrow. it's a steering adapter for your app. send a pic of the steering to my email of your steering pump you took out and a pic of the new steering box i'll see which adapter you need have a box of new ones.

Bygracealone

09-27-2006, 12:47 AM

Thanks Skools!!! I'll send the pics tomorrow.

brianct12

09-27-2006, 05:15 AM

Hey Tin, Where did that pic come from ? Man - that is a thing of beauty !!! Wow !

TheTinMan

09-27-2006, 09:35 AM

That's a guy over at classic mako, goes by the name Annie II. It's a 1973 23' Mako (Annie III) he just finished. The guy is a real craftsman. Last year he finished Annie II, another beauty.

Here you go:
http://classicmako.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12476&whichpage=1

msbhammer

09-27-2006, 09:50 AM

This might work for ya. Cheap Price to.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-4-x-19-X-19-KING-STARBOARD-MARINE-GRADE-BOARD_W0QQitemZ230033080191QQihZ013QQcategoryZ2644 8QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

macojoe

09-27-2006, 10:02 AM

If you like the wood and the up keep, that is a great piece Tin!!
I hate the work of wood and have removed all!

But I am jelious of the guys that have it cause it looks so good!

Stinky_Hooker

09-27-2006, 11:43 PM

That is one fine console!

Of course my wife tells me that all the time. ::)

Skools Out

09-28-2006, 12:41 AM

what size does the hole measure you have? i have alot of new brackets but need to know the current hole size i could weld you some longer ears on a kit so you wouldn't need to do any rigging.

Skools Out

09-28-2006, 12:45 AM

also tell me the old mounting hole distances for the 4 holes i'll build you a mount bracket.

Bygracealone

09-28-2006, 03:37 PM

Here you go Skools:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Wiring%20and%20Steering/Dimensionsforhelmholeinconsole.jpg

The measurement from hole to hole is not from center to center of the holes, but from the inner edge to the inner edge of the holes. *Let me know if you'd like me to remeasure from center to center.

Also, a correction: the plywood is 5/8" not 3/4"...

Thanks buddy!

msbhammer

09-29-2006, 12:49 AM

Yo Skool,
While your making stuff for Bygrace, make me a hard top brother. ;D ;D ;D

Skools Out

09-29-2006, 12:56 AM

ok lol buy me a new tig welder and i'll build anything you wish lol

phester

09-29-2006, 01:17 AM

skools ,gotta welding question for ya..my buddy has got a 92[?] 115 yammi, great motor except for a crack that has developed on the lower unit. Right where the front of the prop meets the lower unit, at about a 10:00 position, a crack started last year and now has moved at least an inch and1/4 foward. I think it's passing a little exhaust thru the crack because last time out on it I said it sounded different. Can something like that be welded or marine texed or JB 'd ?? Whattaya think???

Skools Out

09-29-2006, 01:25 AM

you can stop the crack from moving anymore by drilling a hole in the end of the crack so it can't run any more. doesn't need to be very big just wider than the crack. then just fill with JB Weld you should be fine. That's an Old trick to do on circuit boards when they crack and it works well on metal too.

phester

09-29-2006, 01:42 AM

I'll pass that info along to him, thanks skools

Skools Out

10-03-2006, 01:28 AM

Start to build part that arrived today

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-121S.jpg

After cutting out 5/8 in, welding flanges, and getting ready to be mounted under the dash for thru bolting

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-123.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-124.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-125S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-126S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-127S.jpg

testing to make sure all fits.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-122S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-116S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-117S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-118S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-119S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-120S.jpg

Bygracealone

10-03-2006, 01:37 AM

Skools,

I can't believe how quickly you did that! You just received the part today for crying out loud :o

Looks great bud.

Skools Out

10-03-2006, 01:42 AM

i painted with galv coat then coated with black laqr paint. Currently drying and will get needed bolts tomorrow and send back with bolts 2 plastic housings and new stainless steering arm.

macojoe

10-03-2006, 02:43 AM

Great Job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reelapeelin

10-03-2006, 09:21 AM

WOW, Skools!!...great job!!... 8) ...

Skools Out

10-03-2006, 11:52 PM

Thanks Guys just keep the fingers crossed that it works.

macojoe

10-04-2006, 12:25 AM

Yea he might get in the water turn the wheel and the weld break!! Then he have no steering and the cops pull!! LOL

I am sure it will be fine and out last the boat!

Skools Out

10-06-2006, 12:55 AM

ok here's what all i'm sending back

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-141S.jpg

Here's your original trim cover with long stainless screws for prethreaded holes in bracket

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-134S.jpg

New made steering bracket

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-135S.jpg

New Stainless Stering arm you needed with all nuts and washers plus tention spring

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-136S.jpg

New Factory Steering bracket in case new one doesn't fit and new bigger steering trim cover
PS i'd use this trim cover it will cover better.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-137S.jpg

New Stainless Thru bolt parts 4 Stainless 5/16 Carriage bolts, 4 stainless washers, and 4 stainless nylon locking nuts.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-138S.jpg

Notice i polished the bolt heads so they look better on the top of your dash.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/MVC-140S.jpg

Just remember the new bracket mounts under the dash and then thru bolt from top with these new stainless bolts and trim cover will bolt threw the old steering hole. I hope this works and is that all you needed? Going out tomorrow via Priorty Mail.

Skools Out

10-06-2006, 01:13 AM

oh yeah i looked in the box of steering nuts and found a box full of the ones for the steering box you sent. Thanks Again Todd

chumbucket

10-06-2006, 01:38 AM

bygrace; how awesome is this guy? ;D 8) 8) 8)

You're a good man Skools. 8)

Bygracealone

10-06-2006, 02:42 AM

You ain't kidding CB!

Skools has been a great friend. In fact, he's gone above and beyond anything I deserve. I've thanked him offlist, but I think it's worth saying publicly as well. Thanks buddy!!!

Skools Out

10-06-2006, 01:39 PM

Anytime Brother *8)

Now I only hope it fits and works. Hard to build stuff for projects 500 miles away lol. I built 2 steel bridges for my garden railroad at the beach here on just some measurements. They both fit perfect hope this does too. The bridges wouldn't have been to bad except they *both were 4 ft and 7.5 ft curved 1 on one end and 1 in the center. They are 200 miles away.

Skools Out

10-11-2006, 01:12 AM

hey BGA did it fit?

Skools Out

10-11-2006, 01:15 AM

Oh yeah and Hey back by popular demand the cat's Back.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/other/C2767744.gif

Skools Out

01-31-2007, 03:04 AM

Hey ByGrace did you get it installed Did it fit??? We want pics ???

reelapeelin

01-31-2007, 04:31 PM

Steve popped up on the Links section the other day, but haven't seen him since... :) ...

msbhammer

02-01-2007, 01:17 AM

Seen him on the site as well, but didnt post anything.

reelapeelin

02-01-2007, 01:22 AM

Seen him on the site as well, but didnt post anything.

Yep, he posted a link ...and then went away again...

Bygracealone

02-15-2007, 12:57 PM

Hey guys,

Sorry about the inconsistent attendance... I thought Skool's Out meant we were on a break for the winter ;D

Well, it's been way too cold to do any work on the boat... I'll have to wait till temps get higher before I dare to do any work. Man, I wish I had a garage! What is it about the East? It seems like garages aren't the norm. Back in CA I don't think I ever saw a house without a garage... Anyway, put that on my wishlist. My birthday is May 19th. Looks like I share the month with ol' Stinky. That can't be good. :P

Airslot

02-15-2007, 01:30 PM

Well, at least we know he's alive and kickin'. ;D

Airslot

macojoe

02-15-2007, 01:49 PM

I agree!! Y don't we have more garages!! I would kill for one!!

Glad to see you still alive!!

Bygracealone

02-15-2007, 03:32 PM

Thanks MJ, glad to still be alive ;)

Good to be back in touch with y'all too :)

parishht

02-15-2007, 03:55 PM

Welcome back BG, does this mean we have to behave? ::)

Bygracealone

02-15-2007, 04:08 PM

Thanks Parishht, good to be back...

Now, as to behaving, yeah right, as if I could ever get you guys to behave :P

msbhammer

02-15-2007, 05:29 PM

B.G., thats a name from the past. Glad your back to postings. ;D

Bygracealone

02-15-2007, 06:55 PM

Gracias Hammer,

It's good to see some familiar names still on the forum.

reelapeelin

02-15-2007, 09:13 PM

You've strayed from the flock and now you've returned ;) ...

macojoe

02-15-2007, 09:43 PM

You were gone so long, I was going to delete you!! ;)

Just kidding, Glad you are back! :-*

Mac_Attack

02-15-2007, 09:59 PM

BG welcome back! *How the boat coming along? *Bily Mac *;D

Bygracealone

02-16-2007, 09:12 PM

Thanks guys, I especially appreciate the the reference to the flock. Good one RAP ;)

Thanks for not deleting me MJ.

Billy Mac, thanks for asking about the boat. I have a few more things to do, but nothing major (that I know of). I have a couple more electrical things to take care of like the bilge pump and a couple of switches at the dash.

I also have to install the steering, throttle, and shifter cables. Man, I've had nothing but trouble with these things. After all this time, it wasn't until I had the cables installed that I realized the cables were frozen. Who knows the last time they worked... So, I went down to buy a used set of cables. I came home installed them and after hooking everything up on the engine end, and running the cables through the hose and through the gunnel, it turns out that one cable is shorter than the other. So, I'm about 6 or 8 inches too short on one of the cables. I'm so tired of running cables!!! So, once we get a warm day, I'll get out there and do it again.

I still haven't started the engine yet. I don't know what to expect. Because I didn't have things ready to start the engine, I didn't winterize it either. I hope I'll be okay. What started off looking like a very mild winter, has changed drastically over the last couple of weeks. Oh yeah, I also left the batteries in the boat (though covered). Am I hosed or what?

Good news is that the bracket and engine installation went smoothly.

Sorry for the long post. I guess I should post more frequently instead of these annual reports :P

macojoe

02-17-2007, 01:40 AM

I leave my batterys in all winter not a problem. As for foging the motor, you don't have to get it started to fog, It is best you do, but if all else fails take the plugs out put some Mystery oil in therre and turn the motor over with a wrench on the fly wheel.
This will keep things from rusting up over the winter.

Now that your back and got the motor and bracket done were are the pictures?? ;D

Bygracealone

02-17-2007, 01:49 AM

Hey M.J., thanks for the advice on the mystery oil. I think Skools told me the same thing a while back, I just forgot to do it. Doh!

As for pictures, they're not the best, but the pictures in the gallery are still current as of now.

How's your V coming along? I haven't read through the prior posts yet, but were you able to get that motor working right?

macojoe

02-17-2007, 01:57 AM

Well when I put it away it was running perfect! I had to replace a power pack and all seems well. we will see in May when we get the cover off!!

My fingers are crossed!!

Bygracealone

02-17-2007, 02:20 AM

That's wonderful news! Very glad to hear everything seems to have worked out.

reelapeelin

02-17-2007, 02:00 PM

My fingers are crossed!!

We'll be pullin' for ya come sprintime!!... ;) ...

macojoe

02-17-2007, 08:46 PM

We'll be pullin' for ya come sprintime!!... Wink ..

I like you reel, you can pull me now! :-*

msbhammer

02-17-2007, 11:13 PM

Why is M.J. always complaining about posting Pics. ;D :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

macojoe

02-17-2007, 11:19 PM

I am not!!
Just complaining about you asking in every single post just to drive your numbers up! ;)

Bygracealone

05-22-2007, 09:18 PM

Okay, where was I... *Oh, yes, installing NFB... * ;D

I know it's been a while, but I've finally gotten around to trying to install this steering system. *I need some help boys.

Skools hooked me up with what is shown in the previous pages of this thread. *I've installed what he sent as you will see below. *My questions and issues are in between the pics...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Steering/100_1640.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Steering/100_1641.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Steering/100_1642.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Steering/100_1645.jpg

Okay, what should I do about the helm cover covering the the bolts? *I can't get the helm cover flush because it lays over the bolts... *Should I try and sand or grind the plastic cover in those areas? *I think I need to shave the whole thing just a bit anyway because even though it's not a 45 degree helm, there is a slight angle to it...

The other question I have has to do with whether or not there's enough space around the helm for it to function properly. *Here's what it looks like from the inside:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Steering/100_1644.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Steering/100_1644.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Steering/100_1646.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/bygracealone/Steering/100_1647.jpg

I think I'll be able to get the cable to feed into the helm, but it's gonna be a bit tight and will likely end up touching the side of the console there in the pic. *

I haven't been able to actually insert the cable into the helm yet because I lost the silly little key that goes onto the steering column to engage the steering wheel. *Anybody have an extra one of those little keys ??? *It's gonna cost me something like $10 to replace it because they only sell it with the steering wheel nut and washer. *Go figure *:-/

So, any help you guys have to offer will be greatly appreciated. *

Sorry about the overload of info. *It's been a while *:) *

Airslot

05-22-2007, 11:24 PM

Looks like its gonna work to me? What you are looking for is a "woodruff key" and if you knew the size could get at any good hardware store. I don't know the suze, sorry.

Skools Out

05-22-2007, 11:26 PM

they sell the key's at Lowe's justtake the helm or thesteering wheel to Lowe's and look in the speciality area in nuts and bolts isle. should be about $0.30 maybe little less or more. i'd mark the bolt head locations with a marker and trim out a notch in the helm cover with a small curved hand file. sorry i missed trimming your cover >:( you should have enough room for the cable under there mine id as tight as yours in my 21

Bygracealone

05-22-2007, 11:41 PM

COOL!

Hey, thanks for the help guys.

And I owe a very special thank you to Skools. Thanks brudda!

Skools Out

05-22-2007, 11:44 PM

i'm so glad to see it actually fit the old dash holes wow and it was made 9 hours away and it fit all but the cover didn't i send you a spare cover?

Bygracealone

05-22-2007, 11:51 PM

Perfect fit at that... I bored the holes outon the boat just a hair so that the bolts would grab hold firmly enough to run the nuts on the other side.

Also, yes, you sent me an extra cover. That's the one in the picture. It fits better than the other. At least I have an extra one in case I mess up :P

reelapeelin

05-23-2007, 02:37 PM

BGA...where is the housing for the steerin' cable?...

Bygracealone

05-23-2007, 07:39 PM

Reel,

What you see in the pic is the end of the cable that goes into the helm. Once I finally get that "woodruff key" I'll be able to rotate the the helm and feed the cable into it. Once the end of the cable is fully fed into the helm, you'll see that the cable has a housing.

Did I understand your question rightly?

Skools Out

05-24-2007, 12:43 AM

BGA here's what Reel is talking about the tube that goes on the out side of the steering box for the cable as it comes back out and you should pump a few pumps of good marine grease into your tube plus on your steering cable as it goesd into the box.

See the cable go by then a light color tube comes back from the box

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/Skools_Out/Monoco%2021/MVC-010S-2.jpg

Bygracealone

06-06-2007, 12:08 AM

Hey guys,

I finally got it installed, but it's not as easy to turn the wheel as I would have thought. Is that normal for these systems?

reelapeelin

06-06-2007, 12:29 AM

Good job ByGrace...yup...you'll feel some resistance when it's new...that's the "clutch" inside the helm that provides the "No-Feed-Back" ...it'll loosen up w/time ...but right now it shouldn't be "EXCESSIVE" ... do you think it is?...what position did you have motor when trying?...

Skools Out

06-06-2007, 12:31 AM

did you fill the tube that goes on the steering box with grease? I always pump 3 or 4 pumps ofgrease in both sides of the steering box and i put 3 to 4 pumps in the tube and then put inthe boat but yeah new ones are a little tight

Bygracealone

06-06-2007, 12:51 AM

Thanks Reel and Skools.

Okay... It's tight, but I'm not sure it's excessive. I didn't add any oil as Skools suggested, perhaps I should redo it???

Also, should I add some grease to where the other end goes into the tilt tube?

The steering cable is pretty tight under the dash where it bends up to the helm. Hopefully, it's not too tight that it puts too much stress on the cable. I'll snap some pics tomorrow.