I'm Back in the Water! - Yes new Pictures.

[BuilderFL]

Check out the new bow pulpit and LED nav. lights.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/BuilderFL/IMG_0151Small.jpg

Playing Hookie

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Jack Plate (manual) on bracket.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/BuilderFL/IMG_0153Medium-1.jpg

The Combo.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/BuilderFL/IMG_0150Medium.jpg

[Shawsee]

LOOKS GREAT! Dang nice set-up for sure and I love the blue. :o

[macojoe]

Looks awsome!! Why the jack plate?? She looks sweet!

[tsubaki]

nice,NICE, NNIICCEE ;D ;D ;D

[lumberslinger178]

builder you get dawg of the month shes sweet ;D ;D ;D ;D

[BuilderFL]

MC, I knew you would ask about the jack plate...
Well even though the bracket was installed at the recommended height, ie. 1" of rise for every 12" of setback, I was not happy with the performance. On waters 3'-5' my prop was cavitating and the bolt pattern on the motor/bracket prevented from lowering the motor. Although I'm still experimenting with a motor height that works best all around, the jack plate gives me the flexibilty of lowering and rising the motor. I intent on making marks on the jack plate for different water condition. Also, due to the lack of weigh in the bow, I'm porpoising a lot when I go out alone. I'm thinking of adding a collapsible water tank in the bow or fish box. Any suggestions?

[BuilderFL]

Thanks!
By the way, I installed a Carter Marine fuel pump (4-5.75 PSI 72GPH FREE FLOW) and it works great. No more shutting down at idle.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/?ViewItem&item=200117330824

[bassarama]

Holy Tolito :o :o

That is the best looking V I've seen... congratulations!

Love the powder coated T-top, hull color and everything!

Man I would be afraid to scrach it and put fish blood on it!

Great job.

[turbinedoctor]

As stated many times before already, Great looking ride you got there.

I love the paint scheme, gives me ideas if I ever repaint mine.

[BuilderFL]

This is what I really wanted...but things didn't turn out quite as planned.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/BuilderFL/cars4.jpg

[Skools Out]

she looks great but one question same one i get alot could you have bought a newer boat that was ready for what it cost to make her new again? but that is one beautiful boat

[phester]

beautiful job on that boat!

[bradford]

That boat is beautiful man, good job!!

[BuilderFL]

Skools, You are absolutely right and I'm sure that everybody thinks I'm nuts by putting so much time and hard cash into rebuilding a 27 year old boat. And I tell you, I'm seriously considering selling my rebuilt 1980 200hp Black Max and hanging a new 200hp E-tec. Thats another $11-$13K more into this crazyness. Specially when we all know that I will never be able to get my investment back.

However, I took on the project because I really like design lines my 1980 Center Console V20 "Fisherman" and enjoy seeing how the 1970's revolutionary design of C. Raymond Hunt, still gives the competition a run for their money. I go out to seas 3'- 6' when most other bigger boats are going back. And have worked though some 10' swell in the Gulfstream-the baby holds on.

This project has also given me the satisfaction of working and teaching my older son and daughter about boating and boat building-but the real lessons have been in teaching by example the level of commitment, persistence and sheer perseverance needed for rebuilding a boat, or for that matter, any project they engage. Those are transferable skills they learned will be the corner stone of their business and professional deminour.

[THEFERMANATOR]

She is definately purdy. So when you gonna come get my V-20 and fix it up? ;D

[macojoe]

I have no problems as you speak of, but I did not go with the rule of 1" for every 12"

I just measured the 25" needed for the motor and mounted the bracket.

If I have the motor trimed up high and get into some swells I will porpose, but I then just lower the motor and it digs right in.

Hers my boat at rest in the water, Bracket is at 25" right to were the motor hangs.

http://syncboard.com/albums/Fishing/Picture_014_Medium.sized.jpg

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[BuilderFL]

I thought of that in hindsight (too late) but I was not going to remove the bracket and reinstall it 2.5" below. Perhaps the almost flat V at the stern of our boats has something to do with it. Something to keep in mind for others considering adding a bracket.

[tsubaki]

What you got there is about ideal.
You can later taylor the boat to the load if it changes seasonally. And if not ever needed it was a whole lot easier finding the correct height by yourself.

[phatdaddy]

give me a shout and i will sit on the bow for you, cheaper than a water tank & i'll chip in on the fuel bill.....
looks great

[Shawsee]

give me a shout and i will sit on the bow for you, cheaper than a water tank & i'll chip in on the fuel bill.....
looks great


LMAO@Phat ;D I was thinking the exact same words so between you and I he would be all set for "extra weight" LOL

[Skools Out]

just move the fuel tank back a ft or 2 and the weight will fix it or just get you a big buddy like MJ to ride on the transom on all your trips.

[twistedparot]

i would love to see some more pics of that pulpit. looks a lot like the one i have in my head.tx

[parishht]

TP - do a search on Pulpit,
MSBHAMMER and Airslot just built some.
There are lots of posts with lots of ideas.

It was around May June timeframe.

[brianct12]

Congrats - on one fine looking boat !!! Heck of a job there. Nice to see a 27 yo boat restored to glory. Enjoy.

[frayed_knot]

Man, that is one fine ride builder. I'll never look at mine the same way, unless I paint the hull yeller ;)

[BuilderFL]

Next best thing besides you two sitting at the bow, and here I need your thoughts, is to fill up my gas tank and keep it full. However, it's going to be an initial expense of about $300.00 (98 gal.).

Here's my reasoning: with the 20 or so gallons I've been putting, all that gas (20 x 6.25=125 lbs.) sits towards the back whereas in a full tank (612.5 lbs.) the weight is centered in the hull.

Or put on the SE SPORT High Performance Hydrofoils.

Or 3 cy of concrete 150 x 3= 450lbs at the anchor locker.

[randlemanboater2]

TRIM TABS!!!!!!






And the time spent with your kids is priceless.

[BuilderFL]

I have trim tabs - Bennett M-120, but I first need to come out of the hole. I'm swamping my motor, water comes up to the carbs. It's a weight & balance issue - I think.

[randlemanboater2]

Then I guess large friends in the bow will have to do.

I have a triangle shaped 30 gal gas tank in my shed, think you could use it?

[THEFERMANATOR]

I don't think the jack plate is helping your engine dunking either. The further back the engine is, the further it dunks when the bow goes up. An engine fin with the engine trimmed down will help some, but it will take water speed for one of them to work as well. Did you move your batteries forward when you did all of the work?

[msbhammer]

Job well done. ;)

[BuilderFL]

The batteries were moved forward under the console.

[kamikaze]

BuilderFL:

Unfortunately you have the problem most (with the noted exception of MJ and Willy) whom have convert to bracket have experienced. I also believe Willy and MJ were both Cutty Cabins converted to bracket and not CC. Maybe the weight distribution between the two hull configurations is very different.

I am experiencing the same issues you describe, but not to the same extent. I am planning on moving the gas tank forward to level the hull and hopefully clear the up the problem. As a side note I to am not happy with the current position of the motor / bracket position in its current elevation and have already lowered the bracket so that the cavitation plate is level with the keel (No raise over the 26" set back of the bracket). But have seem little improvement from the previous position where is was up 3". I say this because I believe the two problems ( hull level and engine elevation) are directly related. No sense trying to fix one with addressing the other.

Just my 2 cents.

Kamikaze

[reelapeelin]

Builder...whadda Purdy Boat you got !! ;) ...all the hard work paid off big time ... you may not get yer $$ outta it, but maybe something more important and especially if you involved the kids ;) ...


Surprised to hear porpoiseing w/those tabs ??? ...

[spareparts]

Builder, looking at your pics, it looks like you could add floatation compartments under your platform on each side that could double as afterplanes while getting your boat out of the hole without sinking your motor, I've seen a platform like that before, just can't remember where. The added floatation would alow the boat to set level when at rest, and when getting on plane, the bottom surface of the floatation compartments would act like big fixed tabs, once on plane, these areas would be out of the water, so as to not add drag. I've also seen a plate that bolts to teh bottom of the jack plate that helps getting on plane without sinking the motor

[BuilderFL]

Kami, you are right. Need to address both issues, hence the jack plate I installed because lowering the bracket was not an option ( no space to do so).
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/BuilderFL/IMG_0040Small.jpg

Now that you pointed out the difference between CC & Cuddy, I looked closely at MC's picture and noticed that his weight center is closer to the bow that with ours. The Cuddy has the weight 1/3 forward were as we have it 1/3 aft.
What do you think about my gas tank theory? I mean, filling up my 98 gals (about 612 lbs) to balance so weight forward?
This is the location of the original tank.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/BuilderFL/NewFoam2.jpg

This is the new tank plus my fresh water tank (20 gals) about 160 lbs.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q278/BuilderFL/10-24-06007.jpg

With 1/3 tank, about 32 gals. all the gas weight moves aft.

The V20 Gods are welcome to comment! All other too.

[BuilderFL]

Reel, once I'm on plane and raise the trim tabs I start to porpoise. Again, I think is a weight issue. If I leave them down, she rides very good but it's very expensive on gas to drag those big tabs.

[reelapeelin]

Reel, once I'm on plane and raise the trim tabs I start to porpoise. Again, I think is a weight issue. If I leave them down, she rides very good but it's very expensive on gas to drag those big tabs.



Builder ... my buddy's new Everglades ... I drove it when he 1st got it ...it has a new Verado w/all the Smart gauges, etc...I drove it when he 1st got it and watched the fuel-flow actually DROP when tabs applied ;) ... not too much or it'll have the affect you mention, but the right balance should SAVE fuel and keep that bow under control :D ...

[kamikaze]

BuilderFl:

Tank should do it, only problem being as you burn fuel up front the problem will return. Also it will take more weight to counter act the imbalance already taking place. Understand its not a option for you after your overhaul, but that is why I am going to relocate my current tank vice, weighing down the bow. I'm also not sure how the hull will act if the bow becomes to heavy.

After my experience I can tell you I look at a boat balance/weight distribution much differently than before. And I have seen a lot of brand new boats (4 Strokes, duals engines etc..) that have the exact same problem. Hard to find a hull the rides evenly across wide range of speed. Most raise the bow up so much during acceleration that you can't even see where your going!

Kamikaze

[msbhammer]

Yank off that heavy Bracket and just go with the jackplate. I guess I could take off your hands and use it. ;D

M.J. great Pics. of your V in the water. ;)

[Hammerhead]

Very nice job. Well worth the efffort and the lessons imparted to the kids will last a lifetime. Salute.

[LESTERUS]

BUILDER:

I HAVEN'T BEN ON THE SITE IN A LONG TIME, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BOAT, IT CAME OUT VERY NICE.

HOPE TO SEE YOU IN MATHESON HAMMOCK SUNDAY 7/29

LESTERUS

[Blue_Runner]

Well look who crawled out from under a rock! Welcome back Lesterus! ;) 8)

[bigshrimpin]

Great Looking Boat!! To Compensate for the light bow . . . try a sternlifting prop like the Mirage Plus and a set of wedges.

[macojoe]

I have two 20 gl tanks under the gunnles and a spare 25 gal were the I/O use to be.

The pic I sowed of the boat in the water has the 25 gal tank in bilge filled with 25 gal and the two 20 gal tanks empty. But I notice little change wit 40 gal more gas.