1994 v21 cuddy - opinions?

[Seakindly]

Today, I found a 1994 v21 cuddy with a 1994 150 yamaha for sale at a reasonable price.

Does anyone have any experience, knowledge or opinions about this particular hull.

The transom is different - does it still have a plywood core?

Wood stringers?

The boat has the same freeboard (on the outside), but the gunnels (on the inside) are lower than on v20s.
The cockpit floor is about 6 " higher. Does anyone know why?

The brochure on this site lists the weight at about 2500 (hard for me to read on my computer) , but v20s were listed at 1920 lbs if I remember right. Where is the extra weight coming from?

Any thoughts, answers or ideas would be appreciated.

Also, I am an old rude boy, but I have only heard good things about these yamahas.

[macojoe]

By what I have been told the 6" higher deck and lower freeboard were something that had to be done. I guess that they old ones like mine(75) Were not unsinkable!! Yes this means if anything happens to mine, don't hold on to it because it is going stright to the bottom!!
So the decks were rasied to porvide room for flotation acoarding to law.
As for the weight mine is 2500 + 400 motor= Close to 3000 # and then you have your gear and fuel, so I would say that the weight is right. If you go to the wellcraft home page there is a 1994 catalog page there that says that they dry weight is 2300 #
As for the motor, I don't know which year that Yamaha went with stainless shift rods but beware of them when looking!! I and BS have changed ares this year!! He did his with hs dad and I had the guy who sold me the motor do it. But there have been storys of people paying up to $1500.00 to get this fixed!! Most are around $800. They also can have Carborator problems. So make sure that you have the engin check out well!! This is the heart of the machine!! I usualy tell people not to look at the motor al that much as this is the reason most people get rid of there boats, so you should figure you are buying the hull only as you will need to repower. But in your case being that the motor is 94 it might be ok but just be sure!!
I have never heard of wellcraft getting rid of there wood, It still has it wood that I no of.

So there you have it, My 2 cents what ever that is worth. if the boat is in good shape and you belive you are getting a good deak then go for it. Just rember the motor might have some kinks that might not show them
selves until you start using it!! Have it check out!! If the guy is not willing to have a machanic look at it then say no deal. And try to get a sea run, that should be easy this time of the year.
See what happens when you get me going ;D
Good luck!!

[chumbucket]

Seakindly, good advise from macojoe. If I found a '94 for a good price, I'd be all over it. Yamaha went to the stainless shift rod that macojoe spoke of after '92. I would still have the motor checked out carefully, but that should be one less thing to worry about.
As for the boat itself, I wouldn't be concerned on whether it has wooden stringers or transom or not. The whole business about no wood in boats is great for companies that don't make a well constructed boat. There are many people, myself included, that prefer a boat with some weight to it. They handle the rough stuff a lot better than the lighter boats. The wood in the stringers could eventually rot away, but it's the fiberglass that encases the wood that gives the actual strength. A '94 should not have any transom rot problems for many, many years barring any catastrophic structural damage. I like the setback they made with the newer transoms. Should give you a lot more room in the cockpit.
You might want to consider finding a reputable marine surveyer to go through the whole boat for you. It'd probably run you a couple hundred $, but if it's a good deal to begin with, it may be money well spent for your peace of mind.

[Repirts]

This and a conversation I had this weekend about the tendency for older deep V hulls to go down fast has got me thinking. Has anyone here figured out a way to add flotation to these hulls? Not looking for another project, just wondering.

If youve been following my other threads you know that I don't really have to worry about this because I'm perfectly safe sitting on the trailer #$%^&*!

[drumbeater]

The V20 on EBAY sold for $1336. Not a bad looking boat .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=31271&item=24 28557971

[chumbucket]

That's a sweet deal for $1336! :o
Repirts, boats, old or new, don't go down for no reason. Generally caused by operators lack of respect for the water or poor hull construction. I don't think you have anything to worry about as far as hull construction unless someone really abused your boat before you bought it and it has structural issues. I'm sure you would have picked up on any when you looked the boat over.

[Seakindly]

Well, I bought it :D! Had to buy a brand new trailer to get it out of the original owners backyard and into my driveway. Nice trailer - 5starr by loadrite. Tandem, 5400 GVWR , torsion suspension, NOT STAINLESS ROTORS on disc brakes - good price 499 bucks less than the loadrite for essentially the same trailer.

About the boat, Macojoe, I figured the raised cockpit floor was to allow for additional flotation. It also seems to be to provide more vertical drop for the cockpit drains that exit to the side. Gotta admit I am not crazy about that, I am used to scuppers large enuff to wash an oyster shell straight out the transom. I will be adding a big bilge pump just for the floor - self bailing or not :o.

First thing I do is change the thru hull fitting for the live well - saltwater pickup.

Next I switch some of the state of the art electronics from my current rig. Also gonna swap the fuel filter.

Gotta get a mounting bracket for the 9.9 Evinrude that I have hanging on the transom of my tin craft.

Boat is too nice to sit under the monster oak tree without some kind of cover. I will probalbly build some kind of pvc frame carport deal.

I wish I could remember where I layed down my superman x-ray glasses because I would really like to see what is inside that molded transom. Chumbucket, I sure hope you are right, that I will have a long wait for a good reason to go inside there ;)

Macojoe, you are right the brochure says hull weight is 2300 pounds. I wonder what the extra 380 pounds is?

It is good to know I have a stainless shift rod.

I would love to post some pics, but I am a digitally challenged dinosaur.

Good, safe holiday weekend to all. Summer starts on Tuesday 8).

[chumbucket]

Congrats on the purchase Seakindly! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Let us know how she handles. I think you're going to be real happy!

[reelapeelin]

Seakindly

congrats on your new love..uh the boat that is!

if curiosity gets the best of you on whats inside that transom...get a hypodermic syringe and fill it with marine grade epoxy...with a 1/8" drill-bit drill a few holes above and below the water-line at several different points of interest...if your bit drills out natural colored, dry wood shavings that's the best news you could hope for! if those drillings are dark and mushy moist, then your transom is as rotten as mine is!

once you're finished drilling holes in your new boat; if the wood is fresh and dry pump the holes full with your epoxy-loaded syringe...if it's dark and moist, allow a few days drying time before epoxying holes...they make a special epoxy(west marine) for this proceedure

i've heard this is how boat appraisers check inside hulls...personally i don't know if i got kahunas big enough to do it or not...didn't have to...i got a small, hair line crack just above plug hole that weeps tea colored moisture....no mystery what's goin' on there

anyway...best to you and your new love

[bigshrimpin]

Congrats SeaKindly!! I think you're the first v21 on the site.

[Seakindly]

*Well, *Chumbucket was sooo right. *I am very happy with my new v21 and my 1994 yamie 150 *;D .

*Went out with my buddy, Extreme James, for the shakedown cruise at 6:00 pm last Sunday.

We were hopeing for some tunoids, but had to settle for 3 small mako pups and 3 blue sharks to about 150 lbs.

Back at the ramp 12 hrs, and a 36 mile round trip later ;D.

Gave the boat a decent workout, cruised in 3 foot swells at 3800 rpm for 27 - 28 mph the whole way out and back, not a drop of spray on us. Trolled until dark at 5 - 8 mph. *Opened her up on the way back to the Shinnecock ramp, against a strong ebb current, for a top speed of 38.3 mph. *The guy I bought her from said the mechanic told him there was a factory equipped governor on the motor that limits rpm to 5000. *I had my doubts about this because there is no mention of this in the manual, and the manual lists WOT range as 4500 - 5500; but she did not exceed 5000.

Bottom line; boat and motor ran smooth :-*.

Back in the driveway, washdown aided by monsoon cloudburst.

Drained the lower unit lube - no water or metal particles :).

Oh yeah, those cockpit drains ain't worth a sh!t >:(. *They clogged right up with bunker scales from my chunk chumming. I bought 2 of west marines 2200 gph bilge pumps for the cockpit, yesterday.

My friend, that has the wellcraft v20, has a digital camera and a son that knows how to both use it and post pictures on websites. *I will try to get some pictures posted after I get a few things straightened out.

REELAPEELIN, I think there is wood inside the molded transom. One of these days I'll remove a motor mounting bolt and find out for sure.

Well that's all for now, I will be continuing to install all the new things I picked up at west marine: new livewell thru-hull fitting, powerwinch, bilge pumps, second battery, battery switch, kicker moter bracket. Swap vhf, fishfinder, fuel filter etc. from other boat.

Also need to rig up a bow pulpit/anchor roller. Has anyone out there done this modification???

[chumbucket]

;DNice! ;D
On the bow roller, check out Cbuzz's pics. He put one on his center console. I think he even gives the model number that he used. My buddy put one on the '83 V20 of his that I posted pics of to show the canvas enclosure but I don't think you can see it so well in those photos. It's an arrangement that works out well on these boats. Makes it easier to stand inside the cuddy and pull the anchor with a lot more ease. I've put them on before. Not too difficult.

[Seakindly]

CHUMBUCKET,

I took a look at those pictures. on the 1994 I only have 7 inches of deck space fore of the hatch when fully open. Not enough room for a bow roller and center cleat.

I will probably fabricate some kind of raised platform/pulpit above the sliding hatch. How high above - I am not sure of. It could be as low as a 1/2 inch or maybe high enuff to clear the guard rail. A high one might also prevent catching on the trailer's bow roller when launching. Reduced visibility might be an issue, however.

I like the idea of using the sacrificial tarp to protect the bimini top while in the driveway. I am going to do same until I rig up better shelter. Thanks!

[chumbucket]

My buddy had to remove the cleat and offset it to the side of the hatch slide. Still works out well though.

[Seakindly]

Thanks Chumbucket, I don't want to get too far ahead of myself on this one (anchor roller/bow pulpit), and I probably should start a separate topic for this in the modifications forum: but I don't think I have enuff forward deck space for a suitable roller much less a cleat. Really don't want a cleat off to the side. I want my setup to be operable when I am alone at the controls, and also have the backbone to straighten out a serious wreck anchor. This project is very much in the design incubation stage, at this time.

[Seakindly]

Did another, tuna/shark trip yesterday 3:30PM - 10:00 PM. Tons of green bonito (only one hooked on a cast tin)
, a decent mako that came unbuttoned, and a big, brown sea turtle that swam right up to the boat while we were bombarding the bonito with tins. Had to pack it in at 10pm just when things were starting to get interesting, because my fishin buddy, Extreme James, had to be up for work (sorry about the filthy 4 letter word) at 5 am, and he has to get his 3 hours sleep.

Anyway, the reason I'm posting this here is that when I opened the boat up for the sprint back to the ramp from the inlet, the tach climbed to 5100 rpm. So I suppose that there really is no governor on this motor limiting the rpm's to 5000. Just a myth.

[jay]

so u say u saw agreen cee turtle . ???did it like the v21 u bought

[Seakindly]

he wuz a bron cee tuttl. he likt da v21 soo much he dint leaf til James tapt hiz shel wit da fissin po :D

dija shot a mooz in kanda? i cood gofer sum bullwinkle burgas cuz i gotz no tuttl soop :P.

[chumbucket]

;D ::)

[bigshrimpin]

Way too funny . . . Thanks Seakindly!! That's exactly what I expected from you.

Jay - Welcome to the board . . . . where are you from?

[jay]

Im on long Island. *And yes i got a moose in canada.mmm good! im not that good with my computer but ill try to post some pics*of my 1985 v 20 .I/O (edited by my son Daniel)

[macojoe]

ok I got it