BUILDING THE "NEW V20" PLAN

[Franco]

AN IDEA HAS BEEN KICKED AROUND ON HOW TO PAY FOR THE PRODUCTION COSTS TO BUILD THE NEW V20 CONCEPT. IF ENOUGH INTREST IS SHOWN, WE WILL COLLECT $20.00 FOR THE INTERESTED PARTIES AND BUY LOTTERY TICKETS THAT WILL BE PLAYED REPEATEDLY FOR UPTO 52 WEEKS. IF WE WIN, THE FIRST MILLION DOLLARS WOULD GO TO STARTING THE PROJECT, WHAT EVER IS LEFT WILL BE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED AMOND THOSE THAT CHOSE TO PARTICIPATE. LOOKING FOR FEED BACK ON THE INTREST LEVEL OF THE GROUP AS A WHOLE. WE KNOW IT'S A LONG SHOT, BUT MAYBE WE WILL GET LUCKY. RESPOND AND LET US KNOW.

[phester]

Capital idea Franco...I'm in for that,"hey ya never know"

[cruiser37]

I'm in! What's your address?

[reelapeelin]

Where do I send my "investment?"...are you gonna PM your mailing address to interested parties?...

Who Knows...we could all put some "walkin' around money" in our pockets AND jump-start the new V20... 8)...

C'mon, Lady Luck...Baby needs a New V20!!... ;D...

[Franco]

My email is in my profile, everyone that is interested will get my mailing address. I'll open a bank account once we get enough intrest to be viable - i'll probably write up some sort of agreement and post it here outlining the program, everyone can check it out and comment then we'll do a final draft. I'll email them to everyone so they can mail it back with thier checks or cash. Let's get rolling guys!!!!!!!!!!

[reelapeelin]

OK!!!...we're up to a WHOPPIN' $80.00...lookin' like ownership gonna be a short list...still think we oughta do it, cause like Phester said;"Hey, ya never know"...

:o 8) ;D

[Franco]

I'm still in - lets shake the trees and get a couple more fellas interested

[reelapeelin]

No PC where I'm gonna be next 10 days or so...heck, there's not even cell phone signal...kinda REMOTE... ;D...hope to hook up w/ ya while down there, but soundin' like you're long way away...

Gonna have to take up the cause alone for a while... ;) ;D...

Just checked...still no map...PM a phone# if ya see this before 8 am tomorrow and I'll try to get in touch...smoke signals...carrier pigeon...somethin'... ::)...

[Pipe_Dream]

Sounds like a worthwhile gamble to me -- I'm in! :)

[Pipe_Dream]

S'cuse me . . . "investment." ;)

[Blue_Runner]

It only takes one ticket to win!

There is one point of clarification on this idea - does the one time fee of $20 get me in for a full 52 weeks, or are we talking $52 X $20 for the full year? Pardon me if ya'lll already made that clear.

[Franco]

I'D LIKE TO COLLECT $20.00 A HEAD FROM ALL INTERESTED PARTIES - THEN BUY AS MANY TICKETS AS WE CAN AND PLAY THE NEUMBERS FOR 52 WEEKS STRAIGHT. IF 52 PEOPLE GET IN WE CAN PLAY THE SAME 20 NUMBERS FOR 52 WEEKS - DAMN, I THINK I GOT MYSELF CONFUSED

[Franco]

looks like a lot of lookers but not many takers. Still willing to do it, those interested please pm me and we'll buy as many as possible

[phester]

franco, i sent you a pm,let me know if it went thru...or ...if it did not.I'm defenitly in!

[Blue_Runner]

Just thinking out loud, but here goes.

First, we need to get a mold built. I know theres been talk about how much and who, but we need to get a real life estimate and detailed plan in place for getting that done. Once the plan is developed and hard numbers time estimates established, with a real life mold builder involved, all interested in this deal should then divide the costs for having the mold(s) built. We won't lose our money cause we all know we can sell the molds if worse comes to worse.

52 people X $20 - $1040

If we go with the lottery, massively overwhelming odds say that $1040 will be wasted.

Why not get the plan I mentioned together, then I think you'd be more apt to find 52 people who'd be even more willing to put up $100 (or more) a head. That might even cover the molds?? Seems like less of a "gamble" to me, but like I said I'm just thinkin out loud.

The plan doesn't have to be extremely detailed. But needs to address things like, cost estimates, names of people involved in labor, and most importantly - the design characteristics of the V20 of the future.

I work in computer programming and we just can't do anything without a plan. Same goes with building a house and such.

Once we have molds, then we go back around and grab another $100 from the original investors to get the first hull laid up - but not before developing the plan and estimates for that too!

Anybody that does labor (whether its us or outsourced) is paid by the job or by the hour. So, if you invest $100, but then do $1000 worth of labor towards the project, you end up with $900 in your pocket and your still in on the investment too! In other words, your work won't buy you in on the investment, rather it would serve to pay for your investment and stick some cash in your wallet too.

[Franco]

The mold is the easy part. The engineering for the type of glass and resin or epoxy, how it's laminated stringers and transom, and all the mechanical systems is gonna be a bunch. Then we gotta figure who is b gonna build it and in what numbers. Probably just about the same longshot as winning the lottery. At least with the lottery we are only out 20 bucks each. And it would be a great conversation focus in the forum. It will take two kinds of people to pull off this project. Dreamers and planners!!!!
We got both here!!! I still say what the heck, I'm willing to through in $20 bucks for a longshot. Guess which category I fall into!!!

[Franco]

I found this forum and made a posting there
http://forums.boatdesign.net/forumdisplay.php?f=20

[Franco]

This is how we should build the new hull:
http://home.houston.rr.com/pieceofwork/Resin%20Infusion%20version%204.htm

[mirage2521]

IN!!!!!! ;D

[reelapeelin]

Hey, Franco...Got back from your home state this afternoon...if you ever get a chance to go over to Cape San Blas, take your boat and GO!!!...INCREDIBLE!!!

I agree about the glassing method above...vacum bagging seems the real thing...remember the guy Bigshrimpin posted several months back redoin' a Mako?...THAT'S the kinda talent we need for this....now all we gotta do is find him and pay him!!! ::) ;D...since I didn't bump into you strollin' down the shores of the Sunshine State, I'll send along the $20 next day or two...that's about all I got back from Fla. with...

Blue Runner...it seems to me BOTH ways are viable...if there are enough willing parties to invest $1000 and kick this thing off, then I'm in on that front, too!!

We still got some DESIGN WORK to do...I wish I was proficient at doin' that, but wishin' in one hand and poopin' in the other only got me a hand full of poop :o ;) ;D

[JeffXJ]

Although I don't have the time to get involved in this project, I've enjoyed reading about it. From what I've read, I don't think you guys would want to take this route, but check out this website for R.C.Hunt. You all might be able to give these guys a call and get a better idea of what you'll need. It seems they will do everything to get someone started in the boat making business! I'm sure ther's a small fee involved.....OK, so maybe it's more like a very large chunk of money..... ::) but check it out anyway and give them a call, who knows what kinda info you all could come away with!

http://www.huntdesigns.com/production_builders_design.htm