What year for scuppers?

[winsotnbike]

You may have seen my post for looking to buy a v20. As Bluerunner helpfully pointed out - I am going to wet slip the boat, and he suggested against an early (72 in this case) V20 because no scuppers.

What year started scuppers? Any retrofits possible?

Thanks

[Franco]

You may be able to retro fit scuppers if there is enough deck height above the water line. Search for scupppers in google, some boats have been sunk because debris kept a scupper open when they were to close to the water line. Water came into the back of the boas, into the bilge area. Unless all the deck hatches are watertight, I'd be sure to have a good bilge pump on charged batteries. If it's gonna be in a slip, have shorepower and a onboard battery charger. Just my 2 cents worth

[Skools Out]

use double scuppers. They make Scupper drains for cabins below water level that will drain but not let water in with a hose. Just put them in your deck then run a line out the transom on both sides and put scuppers over the lines so incase the set on the back of the boat get stopped up you have a back up in the flor too. Look on www.boatfix.com for them. They will have a good but reasonable set. Here's a link to see the below water line deck drains with scupper balls.
http://www.saveabuckmarine.com/productinfo.php?sku=232-CSD92

http://www.saveabuckmarine.com/images/products_big/232-csd2.gif use these in the deck and these on the transom for double safety.

http://www.saveabuckmarine.com/images/products_big/50-18261.jpg

[Franco]

Heck, that sounds like skools in for us, good idea you have there bud

[Skools Out]

tanks dar lol Yea they work great in the cabin floor*in my Sea Ray. Worth every penny but that wedsite is high i got mine locally from a Marina for $16.50 each.

[Franco]

Arrrrrgggggghhhhhhh!!!!!

[winsotnbike]

Thanks Skools Out - so then it seems like I could make an older V20 work in a wet slip? Or is it still too risky?

[Franco]

It's a great idea, but I'd still have a good bilge pump

[reelapeelin]

HOLD THE PHONE!!!...you gonna take an early V20 and stick scuppers thru the transom w/expectations of that becoming a self-bailing hull...in addition to the scuppers, plan to RAISE the floor deck ABOVE the waterline and fill in that big open area to the bilge under the splashwell...AFTER you do all that it MIGHT reliably drain water off the deck... :o...then figger out HOW to, then carry out the modifications needed to make the in-floor hatches self-draining...

If you 're gonna wet-slip it, get a hull that the FACTORY designed to be self-bailing...and save yourself a lotta GRIEF...lordamercy... ::)...

[winsotnbike]

So what years am I looking at?

[Blue_Runner]

...and that said, you STILL NEED A GOOD RELIABLE BILGE even with ye ol scuppers - arghhh!

[Blue_Runner]

Winsotnbike - while you are waiting for an answer, prolly a good idea to look through the older 80's brochures that BS put in the gallery. I'd bet if you start with the low 80's and move up you'll find where the scuppers were added. I'm sure they tout that feature in the brochure. ;)

[CT_V-20]

For what it's worth, my boat stays in a slip and I have no scuppers. I do have a cockpit cover that keeps rain out and an auto bilge switch. Boats without self bailing/self sinking cockpits have been safely kept in slips for a long time!

[Blue_Runner]

self bailing/self sinking

Good point CT. I guess if your "belly" fills with water due to a hole of some sort, the wieght of the water could possible bring the deck level low enough to allow water to enter through the scuppers, which would seriously compromise floatation.

I remember some talk about this on the board a few months back. I'm thinking the non-scuppers belly could possible fill with water without compromising floatation, especially with a full transom model (if everything is sealed up good). Don't know and don't want to find out!

[Skools Out]

To the guys with swim platforms. Scuppers have sunk a ton of those boats due to the tide change and the platform stuck under the dock. The boat back fills and sinks. I've seen several on www.usauctions.com that have had that happen.

[shicks007]

I'm thinking 78's had self bailing cockpits. I could be wrong. Also........................something tells me a bilge pump is a must also ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Skools Out]

yes my 78 has them standard too.

[reelapeelin]

Did the scuppers and the full liner and the belly tanks start the same year?...if so, then probably '79 or '80 would be the year to start lookin' for...but as said above scuppers gotta be cleaned out/maintained, bilge-pump good and HOT battery or shore-power w/all good connections...CT's full cover is GREAT idea... ;) 8)...

[CT_V-20]

The full cover came with my boat and I attribute my hulls lack of soft deck areas, shot stringers (so far as I know) and just general good condition for a 20 year old hull to keeping the darn water out of the boat (pretty ironic) during its life. It's probably easier and definately looks way cooler to keep your self bailing boat open with just a bimini like most modern boats are stored in slips and on trailers, but for every hole that's drilled in those cored hulls without proper sealing there's a shot at water infiltration and structural deterioration. Means nothing to the guy who buys the boat new and keeps it for five years, but it does mean something to a cheapskate like me who buys a 16 year old boat.

[Blue_Runner]

Love it CT. That was a nice read. Somethin to be learned from that bit of wisdom.

[reelapeelin]

Seems like the 1st yr or so they went to liners, scuppers and belly tanks, the tank was only 45-50 gals...the 1st yr they went to a 60 GAL TANK is where I'd start my search... ;) ;D...