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Skools Out
08-12-2005, 04:00 PM
Here's a link for the US so you can look up the Cheapest gas or fuel. Hope this helps you get to the beach or lakes more and cheaper.
Average here in Graham, NC.
$2.33 Reg
$2.31 Diesel
How's yours?

{http://www.governmentguide.com/govsite.adp?bread=*Main&url=http://www.governmentguide.com/ams/clickThruRedirect.adp?55079743,32597293,http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/gasprices/states/index.shtml&CID=16101001}

phester
08-12-2005, 11:57 PM
i trailer, so I don't pay marina price...avg. gas in N.Y. is about 2.55-2.57 per gal. I think New Jersey it,s about 2.20 per gal.

cliffpaul2
08-13-2005, 01:20 AM
I'm from California and I just paid $3.09 for diesel on Wednesday. They're really screwing us out here.

phester
08-13-2005, 01:52 AM
ouch!sorry to hear that cliff

reelapeelin
08-13-2005, 06:52 PM
Thanks for the site, Skool, but I gotta tell ya I think it's ludicrous that one branch of the govt' has a hand in raisin' prices while another branch is tellin' us how to conserve... >:( ??? >:(...

macojoe
08-13-2005, 10:20 PM
$2.50 is that avrage here on the cape.

But watch California, They are going to set the price!! We will be $3 + next spring summer!!

You heard it here first!

chumbucket
08-14-2005, 01:02 AM
China is setting the price right now. Their market opens sooner than ours, then Europe, then us. >:(

reelapeelin
08-14-2005, 02:18 AM
MJ...Calif in certain areas is already $3.00+...I saw $2.49 here in Sptbg today...and we are a distribution hub...our entire economy is about to change forever... >:( >:( :(...

Mac_Attack
08-14-2005, 10:40 PM
92 cents per litre in Canada today. *I be right back I've some figuring to do. *3.79l/gal =$3.49/gal in Canadian dollars. *1CND=.84cents USD *$3.49 X .84 = $2.93/Gal.
Don't like to get political here but thanks GW for all of your help and your oil buddies! *Bill Mc

reelapeelin
08-15-2005, 09:14 AM
You're right Mac...I saw GW on TV the other day walkin' up front step literaly "HOLDING HANDS" w/ Sheik Abdullah...like Yogi Beara said..."It's too coincidental to be a coincidense!"... ::)...

Wellcraft_Dave
08-15-2005, 09:50 AM
My bet it will be $3 a gallon by the end of the year or in the spring right before folks think about gettin them boats back out on the water and takin vacations.

Fuel cost will hurt alot up north as well that rely on fuel oil for heating... I know it affected my bud in Mass. last year, they havent done so good buisness wise this year, cant imagine what he might face this winter. I told him,, "move south".

Wont be long... $3 a gallon....

reelapeelin
08-15-2005, 10:09 AM
I just feel bad for the folks who are tryin' to get by...makin' a decision whether to buy food or gas to get to work would be a tough call...guess all the oil-rich and the politicians in their pockets couldn't care less... :( >:(...

Crime rate'll probably go up as people get more desparate...thinkin' about puttin' a hasp/pad-lock on my gas flap... ::)...

Skools Out
08-15-2005, 10:23 AM
Just got in from Emerald Isle NC and the Reg. Fuel there was $2.57 to $2.61. The Marina was cheaper though at $2.43.

GW must have his hands in the Pot for the Electric Car Dept. Too.

Speaking of Crime rate. Next thing people will start the siphoning of gas out of other people's cars again, just like the gas rationings. Better buy stocks in locking gas caps. Plus one for you own too.

Blue_Runner
08-15-2005, 12:09 PM
Saw $2.59 at Cherokee NC this weekend. Drove a mile around the corner and found $2.41. :-/ Never would'a thought $2.41 would be a "good" deal. :o

Wellcraft_Dave
08-15-2005, 02:04 PM
just check'd local here this mornin... $2.49!!!!! in Sanford, regular 87 oct... WOW.

Yup, puttin a lock on the boat tank.. that's 150 gallons.

he hehe... look's like I might be dippin into my own supply!!!!

I bet $3 a gallon for NC by fall/end of year....

Man, that mean's I'd have to take like 18 dudes fishin each trip to break even!!! ha ha ha ha.....

labii
08-15-2005, 02:38 PM
I paid 2.899 for 89 oct. at a marina here in NC this weekend . It sort of takes a little of the fun out of boating .

Skools Out
08-15-2005, 02:53 PM
OUCH how much does your's hold? That was a mean bill I bet. People will stop stealing cars now just still a loaded Gas Tanker. LOL

labii
08-15-2005, 04:56 PM
60 gal. I figured if the oil and gas tank were empty I'm looking at over $200 ! I never thought that I would be able to afford a boat that held that much gas...

CT_V-20
08-15-2005, 05:40 PM
We're $2.95/gallon at Cove Marina in Norwalk Harbor as of my last fillup on 8/2. Whaddya gonna do?! :P

Wellcraft_Dave
08-15-2005, 06:13 PM
wow.... pay thru the nose I guess.....

Sad thing is... they said on the news it's not goin back down as in back to where it was a buck 50 to fill up,,, guess them days are gone....

I say we make the middle east a glass parkin lot and take their oil!!!! :o

labii
08-15-2005, 06:26 PM
If we could just get the state and federal road tax off of marine fuel it would help . Or on the other hand that glass parking lot.......

JeffXJ
08-15-2005, 07:40 PM
Save your gas receipts when you fill up you boat. You can claim the taxes you paid on the gas you buy for your boat as a tax deduction.

reelapeelin
08-15-2005, 08:47 PM
Jeff, you wouldn't be offended if I checked w/my bean-counter on that one before I start savin' tickets... ;) :D...

JeffXJ
08-15-2005, 09:43 PM
Not at all, Rap! :P Just remember, you can only claim the TAX you pay for the gas, not the whole gas bill. My dad has been doing it for over twenty years 8) !

phester
08-15-2005, 09:53 PM
I posted 8/12 gas was 2.55 for 87 OCT....3 days later it's up .10cents [New York, Long Island]

Skools Out
08-15-2005, 10:04 PM
Hey I like the Glass Parking Lot idea. I've been saying that since 9/11. We can drill the glass back out of the way and get fuel back to $.79 lol

Skools Out
08-24-2005, 04:46 PM
Well Gas come down here today finally at Flying-J Exit 150 Highway 40 Graham, NC.
Reg. * $2.43
Diesel $2.45

you know my Welly is out of gas *:(and it needs a fill up for a nice weekend at the coast Ugh i dread the 150 gal. of fuel it needs. :(

That is $364.50 for a fill up *:(

macojoe
08-24-2005, 05:22 PM
Here on good old Cape Codit is any where from $2.55 $2.75!! so it pays to look around!

I have been going over the bridge to Wareham and such and its a little better there at about $2.53 to $2.65

It will be 3 soon don't worry!! I feel sorry for the people with Oil heat!! If we get anything like last years weather there is going to be alot of cold hungry people out there!!

reelapeelin
08-24-2005, 05:29 PM
Cold, hungry people get desparate...desparate people do desparate things...hope they take out their desparation on the politicians who got us in this mess to begin with... :(...

Franco
08-24-2005, 07:00 PM
HEY OZ, I'D VOTE FOR YOU TO BE PREZIDENT!!!!!
I WANT TO BE SECRETARY OF FISHING AND BOATING

Wellcraft_Dave
08-24-2005, 07:44 PM
Macojoe, I got a bud that lives in Randolph, and funny you mentioned Wareham!! (my mother in law lives there on buzzards bay somewhere...)

Anywhoo... yeah, y'all got it miserable up there.... It's a shame too. He said business for him hasnt been good at all this seaon (West Corner Farms in Randolph).

I told him to stock up on heat oil and fuel. He's in the "sell" mode right now, doin ALOT of down sizin...

Cost of livin up there is already a killer, dont know how y'all manage when fuel prices go up like they do....

Skools Out
08-24-2005, 08:22 PM
here's an email i got today.

Don’t buy gas on September 3rd!!!!
Boycotting the gas company will decrease the price dramatically. So Lets show them how to lower gas prices. So repost this to all your friends. We have to get the word out. Its NATIONAL DONT buy gas DAY!!!

reelapeelin
08-25-2005, 12:27 AM
Skool, I'd like to hit those greedy b-----ds and all the politicians they can carry in their pockets right in the NORTONS!...I'll boycott on the 3rd...problem is everyone'll gas up on the 2nd and be right back on the 4th...it won't even be a "blip" on the radar for 'em...

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Franco...as Prez, 1st order of business is to OUTLAW lobbyists and politics in government!...that'll change the face of things REEL quick!...

Skools Out
09-01-2005, 09:54 AM
Well now we know what HIGH Gas is here for sure but in Atlanta that's just nuts at $6.09 for reg. there OUCH

Here as of 7:52 am

Gas $3.29 reg.
Diesel $2.59

Seacrets
09-01-2005, 12:40 PM
Rather than one day, boycott the large companies and not just one day. Maybe if we effect their bottom line and their stock something might happen. Their profits are in the tens of billions (and higher) quarterly.

ranger
09-01-2005, 03:05 PM
Tennessee and Kentucky went from 2.63 yesterday to 3.09 this morning. >:(

bigshrimpin
09-01-2005, 03:30 PM
Some Good News:

This was an AP article a fews days ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2005/08/31/cnoil31.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2005/08/31/ixcity.html

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Forbes predicts oil will drop to $35 within a year
By Malcolm Moore, Economics Correspondent (Filed: 31/08/2005)

Steve Forbes, the billionaire business publisher, predicted that the oil bubble will burst inside a year and the price will plunge, as the impact of Hurricane Katrina sent the price of oil soaring to new record levels.



He spoke as Katrina shut down almost all the flow from the Gulf of Mexico, which provides over a quarter of the United States' oil. "I'll make a bold prediction. In 12 months you're going to see oil down to $35 to $40 a barrel," he said. "It is a huge bubble, I don't know what's going to pop it but eventually it will pop - you cannot go against supply and demand, you cannot go against the fundamentals forever."

Oil production in the gulf was down by 92pc, or 1.4m barrels, and gas production fell by 83pc as the hurricane threatened severe damage to the installations in the region. In response, the price of Brent in London spiked $3.22 a barrel to a record $68.09 while in New York oil was up $2.65 a barrel to $69.25 during late trading.

Analysts said it was unclear how much damage the hurricane had done to the 4,000 platforms and 33,000 miles of underwater pipelines in the gulf since few companies have been able to send helicopters over the region.

Shell said an aerial inspection of its Mars platform indicated some damage to its upper deck. Mars produces around 147,000 barrels of oil and 157m cubic feet of gas a day - 15pc of the Gulf of Mexico's overall production.

A spokesman for BP said there had not been any damage at its Mad Dog, Holstein or NaKika platforms but all of its 350,000 barrels a day in the region had been shut in. The US coast guard said seven rigs were adrift.

The Louisiana Offshore oil port, the largest import terminal in the US, has been shut, as have several refineries. The St Charles refinery, owned by Valero, is under 3ft of water.

The cut in the oil supply prompted the US government to promise that any shortfall would be made up from the stockpiles of the strategic petroleum reserve, which contains around 700m barrels. Last night one West Coast refiner applied for emergency supplies.

Mr Forbes said the whole concept of the strategic reserve was pushing prices higher. "The speculators know now that no matter what happens to the price of oil Uncle Sam is there buying almost every day," he said. "Stop the buying and in fact throw some of that oil on the open market, boy that would throw it in turmoil and send the price down."

The oil market has become a target for investors, since the returns have been significantly higher than those from the stock or bond markets in the past couple of years. Fundamentally there is enough oil to go around. Stockpiles are full and Saudi Arabia has promised to step up production to 11m barrels a day.


"This is sheer bubble speculation. I'll be blunt, there's hardly a hedge fund in North America that hasn't speculated on oil futures," said Mr Forbes. He added that when prices did fall, the impact would make the dotcom collapse "look like a picnic".

Dominic Bryant, an analyst at BNP Paribas, suggested that increasing oil production could actually fuel price rises, since there would be less spare capacity available to meet any future shocks. He said prices could keep rising if Katrina turned out to be as destructive as Hurricane Ivan. The damage Ivan did to the region's underwater pipelines took six months to mend and added $10 to the oil price in the month following the storm.

macojoe
09-01-2005, 04:50 PM
Gas here today is at $3.50!!

I am really thinking of selling the boat!! I will take the cash and buy a small skiff to get to the fish. :(

This is just the beginning!! They say it may go as high as $4.00 and then lets not forget all the food and other stuff that is all trucked in!! All this is going to go up!

ecomny is changing forever right before are eyes!!

Blue_Runner
09-01-2005, 06:14 PM
Screw that MJ - get rid of that new truck first! Geez, you gotta get your priorities straight man! This heat must be gettin to your brain dude if you're thinkin of gettin rid of the V20! ???

Skools Out
09-01-2005, 07:17 PM
well boys our gas went to
$3.69 reg.
$3.79 med
$3.89 high

Diesel $2.65

See we tried to tell you boys to buy Diesel
um um thank god i have a diesel Tahoe

macojoe
09-01-2005, 07:58 PM
I have made up my mind!!

After I return this weekend from camping its getting cleaned and YES Waxed!!

Ready for the sale!! :-/

Franco
09-01-2005, 08:24 PM
SAY IT AINT SO JOE!!!!! You cant do it MJ, I won't cost you anything to hang onto it. You could not replace it for what you'll get for it. Don't give it away. I'll have to make a paddle out of starboard and pay someone to spank you, maybe the girl on your Icon there.

Wellcraft_Dave
09-01-2005, 08:30 PM
Dont sell that boat just yet.

Just got off the phone with my bud in Alabama, works at Sanders Trucking (pretty large outfit in 'Bama)

News is from they're news flashes, that fuel prices will go down as the Centenial pipe line was back up today from 30% flow up to 68% capacity. (pipeline that moves avaiation fuel, gasoline, diesel, etc...)
The pipeline runs from Texas all the way up to New York state and supplies most if not all the fuel for the East Coast.

They got electricity and repairs done to the pipeline and predict it will be back to almost 75% by this weekend (100,000,000 gallons a day flows thru this pipeline)

It's noted that fuel costs should subside by next weekend.

When I get the email, I'll post it here for ya guys to read.
Sounds like this weekend might suck for travel/fishin and all that, but relief should come by next week and they're fully expecting to get the pipeline back to 100% capacity soon.

That should buy time to get the refinery and supply process moving again and offloading of crude. Apparently, it's top priority from what's said to get the cost down to avoid 'panick'.

John's got pretty good sources for this info and I trust it... might not burn alot of fuel during this weekend and will keep it to a minimum and see what transpires next weekend.

DONT SELL THAT BOAT JUST YET!!!

what's funny is, new boat sales might take a huge hit. Doesnt look like anyone will be in the "buying" mode on new boats. That right there might of increased the value of the used boat market. With all the talk of people sellin, it will definately be a buyers market. Now's a great time to upgrade to a larger boat.... thing is.. they come with bigger fuel tanks!!!


But who knows... maybe down the road we glass parkin lot the middle east in the name of allah and gas goes down to .30 cent a gallon.... but probably not....

Say NO to Maco... dont sell just yet brother.. looks like a little light in the tunnel may be comin.

phester
09-01-2005, 08:36 PM
MJ,given this volital and overinflated oil crisis we're expierencing I think the last thing anybody would do is go buy a boat. You own your boat, it does'nt own you...dont sell!! [You can still put a nice coat of wax on her though]

bigshrimpin
09-01-2005, 09:20 PM
MJ - That's NUTz MJ!! You'll get pennies for what your boat is worth (selling at the end of the season, when gas is at record high prices).

Park it and wax it up for next season . . . gas prices should be down by then.

Skools Out
09-02-2005, 12:28 AM
Don't sell your boat you'll kick you own @$$ if you do.

well boys our gas went to
$3.99 reg.
$4.09 med
$4.19 high

Diesel $2.89

reelapeelin
09-02-2005, 07:44 AM
MJ, all that hard work you and CB put into it recently...and you're gonna stand there and watch 'er go out the driveway for peanuts...hang in there, Pal...don't let a "knee-jerk" reaction bring you regrets later... ;) ;D...

Wellcraft_Dave
09-02-2005, 01:23 PM
I just thought I would send you guys the information I have on what is happening with the gas situation. The jump in prices was caused by the instability created when the Colonial Pipeline was shut down. Colonial pumps close to 100,000,000 gallons of product per day from Houston to New York fueling the storage tanks at the fuel depots. When the pipeline shut down it put everyone to using onsite storage reserves and created a panic. The line is now being repaired and we should see the market stabilize and correct itself once the panic subsides. We purchase our fuel to keep our trucks going straight from the central Alabama depot and they keep me updated on what is going on. Here is the latest update I recieved today and the news is pretty good.

COLONIAL RESTART SUCCESSFUL, CAPACITY SCHEDULED TO INCREASE

September 1, 2005

Colonial Pipeline has successfully completed restart of Main Lines 1 and 2 and safely resumed partial service around 6:00 p.m. Wednesday, August 31, 2005. Original estimates of 25% to 35% of normal operational capacity for initial return to service have been exceeded, and Colonial is now operating at about 40% capacity.


With the return to service of additional electrical power in Mississippi later today, Colonial anticipates that it will be able to operate at approximately 61% of normal capacity by the end of today (Thursday, 9/1/05.) Both gasoline and distillates are currently being transported and delivered.


"As always, our first concerns are for protection of people and our environment. With this in mind, we continue to work closely with the electric utilities as they re-establish service in Mississippi," stated David Lemmon, President and CEO of Colonial. "The devastation from Hurricane Katrina is tremendous, and I commend the men and women who are working diligently to restore the energy that we need and rely on."


With additional restoration of electrical service as well as connection of distributed generation equipment currently en route to Mississippi, Colonial anticipates that it will be able to achieve approximately 74% of normal operating capacity by Sunday, and 75% to 86% by early or mid-next week.


Colonial Pipeline, headquartered in Alpharetta, Ga., delivers a daily average of 100 million gallons of gasoline, home heating oil, aviation fuel and other refined petroleum products to communities and businesses throughout South and the Eastern United States. Colonial consists of more than 5,500 miles of pipeline, originating at Houston, Texas, and terminating at the New York harbor.

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Here is a map of the Pipeline so you can see what I am talking about. Most people are not aware that this is where most of our fuels come from since they only see Tankers hauling it from Depots to Gas companies and from there company named trucks deliver to the station with the company name that sells product. Once the refinery and the power at the spur that runs to LA. is fixed capacity should be back to 100%.


Later

Tums

reelapeelin
09-02-2005, 02:12 PM
WD, that really IS some good news...always knew they'd get those lines(they go right thru Spartanburg) re-started soon as they are losing their a$$e$ while it's down...only time will tell, but wonder if pump prices will go back to where they were B4 the shut-down..."Easy to go up; HARD to go down" syndrome seems to permeate the petroleum industry... ::)...

Stinky_Hooker
09-02-2005, 02:51 PM
;D

http://www.forumpictureprocessor.com/pictureprocessor/images/gas_2.jpg

Skools Out
09-02-2005, 02:59 PM
LMAO HAHAHAHA LOVE IT!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Pipe_Dream
09-02-2005, 06:07 PM
Stinky, that's beautiful! 8)

Blue_Runner
09-02-2005, 08:44 PM
Picture is worth a thousand....LAUGHS good one Stinky! :D

phester
09-02-2005, 09:26 PM
REG...ARM MID...LEG PREM...NORTONS

reelapeelin
09-02-2005, 09:39 PM
You guys even make being RAPED at the pump funny...whadda HOOT!!... ;D...

Skools Out
09-06-2005, 01:15 AM
I went to the Coast over the weekend to check on my place and believe it or not Gas was actually cheaper at the beach than here.

Down in Burlington NC *But Still
Reg. * * $2.99 to $3.19
Diesel *$2.89 to $3.09

There at Emerald Isle NC
Reg. * *$2.81 to $3.09
Diesel $2.55 to $2.80

so it is coming back down slowly don't sell them boats just yet.

Skools Out
09-06-2005, 01:53 PM
you have got to see this one LMFAO HAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.atomfilms.com/contentPlay/shockwave.jsp?id=cant_afford_gas&preplay=

Skools Out
11-10-2005, 01:51 AM
Hey what's your gas cost now?

Ours here in Burlington NC

Reg. $2.25
Mid. $2.34
Prem. $2.43

Diesel $2.20

phester
11-10-2005, 02:17 AM
New York, Long Island...2.50 reg 2.59 mid 2.75 prem

bigshrimpin
11-10-2005, 02:50 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/04/anwr.drilling.ap/

reelapeelin
11-10-2005, 09:42 AM
The provision to not export any of the ANWAR oil is the ONLY sensible item to come outta Washington recently...THAT I can get behind, but if 1 1/2 yrs of America's oil consumption is all that's up there...and seems like a mighty big dog- fight over a really small bone...

The little OIL-RICH country of Dubai on the Persion Gulf figures they have 18-20 yrs of oil production left and are making plans for ''life after oil''...seems we should be doin' the same...in our children's lifetime, all these internal-combustion engines we love so much, will be scrap-metal...we gonna need another power source to push these V20s around...can't let the fish populations get too big... ;)...

macojoe
11-10-2005, 10:41 AM
theres anough gas for me! I will be dead and gone when we run out ;D

bigshrimpin
11-10-2005, 02:11 PM
I'm pretty skeptical about the idea of "peak oil" and fossil fuels. There are many scientists that believe oil is a renewable resource and very little to do with Dinosaurs.

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/

Sustainable Oil / Magma Oil

Addressing the theory in circulation that oil is not solely of organic origin, but that there may be another mode of origin as well from deeper in the crust, involving magma.

See also Peak Oil

Sterling's Preface:
There is a substantial body of evidence to support this theory. That does not negate, however, the quest for getting away from dependence on fossil fuels. The greenhouse gasses produced by the burning of such will continue to be a pressing matter that must be addressed. Now that the world has achieved a consciousness about how we treat our planet, this news that we are not so far from depleting our oil reserves is a welcome breath of fresh air, removing some of the panic effect that can foster unrest.


Supporting Evidence, Briefly

* Oil being discovered at 30,000 feet, far below the 18,000 feet where organic matter is no longer found.
* Wells pumped dry later replenished.
* Volume of oil pumped thus far not accountable from organic material alone according to present models.
* In Situ production of methane under the conditions that exist in the Earth's upper mantle. (PhysicsWeb; Sept. 14, 2004)

No Narrow Profit Margins

* Big Oil's obscene profits - Exxon Mobil, the world's largest publicly traded oil company, announced a 32 percent boost in second-quarter profits, the third-largest increase in company history. Royal Dutch Shell, the world's third-largest oil company, reported second-quarter profits up 34 percent. British Petroleum's were up 29 percent. ConocoPhillips, America's third-largest, reported profits that skyrocketed by 51 percent. (Cincinnati Post; Aug. 4, 2005)

Expounding the Theory

* Stalin and Abiotic Oil - Or How Ruppert's 'Peak Oil' Pile is Gaining Tonnage; by Dave McGowan (Educate Yourself; March 5, 2005)
* Russia Proves 'Peak Oil' is a Misleading Scam - In 1970 the Russians started drilling Kola SG-3, an exploration well which finally reached a staggering world record depth of 40,230 feet. Since then, Russian oil majors including Yukos have quietly drilled more than 310 successful super-deep oil wells, and put them into production. Last Year Russia overtook Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest single oil producer, and is now set to completely dominate global oil production and sales for the next century.
* Article > Sustainable Oil? - presents theory and evidence that oil is not solely of organic origin. (Rense.com; July 10, 2004) a reprint of Sustainable Oil (WorldNetDaily; May 25, 2004)
* Data >In situ Production of Inorganic-Derived Petroleum - Scientists in the US have witnessed the production of methane under the conditions that exist in the Earth's upper mantle for the first time. The experiments demonstrate that hydrocarbons could be formed inside the Earth via simple inorganic reactions -- and not just from the decomposition of living organisms as conventionally assumed -- and might therefore be more plentiful than previously thought. (PhysicsWeb; Sept. 14, 2004)
* Peak Oil: Can 3D Exploration Postpone The Peak? - Ability to find reserves more readily may postpone the "peak" phenomenon; general discussion of "peak oil" factors. (MSNBC; Sept. 23, 2004) (Alt Energy Blog)
* Follow-up > More Evidence For Sustainable Oil - (Rense.com; July 10, 2004)

* PhysicsWeb - Science gets hot under the crust
* Thomas Gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
* Book > The Deep Hot Biosphere: The Myth of Fossil Fuels - by Thomas Gold, Ph.D. (originally published 1999)

The Deep Hot Biosphere - by Thomas Gold, Ph.D. (2001)
Amazon.com Description of Thomas Gold's book [link above]:

Suppose someone claimed that we are NOT running out of petroleum. . . . Or that life on Earth began below the surface, in the dark airless pores of our planet's rocky crust. Or that oil and gas -- so-called "fossil fuels" -- are not the product of biological debris. You might expect to hear statements like these from an author of science fiction. But what if they come from a renowned scientist, someone who has been called "one of the world's most original minds"? In THE DEEP HOT BIOSPHERE, Thomas Gold sets forth truly controversial and astonishing theories: First, he proposes that Earth supports a subterranean organic domain of greater mass and volume than the biosphere -- the total sum of living things -- on its surface. Second, he proposes that the organisms inhabiting this Deep Hot Biosphere are not plants or animals but heat-loving bacteria that survive on a diet of hydrocarbons -- natural gas and petroleum. And third and perhaps most amazingly, he advances the stunning idea that most hydrocarbons on Earth are not "fossil fuels" but part of the primordial "stuff" from which Earth itself was formed some 4.5 billion years ago. The Deep Hot Biosphere may seem difficult to believe at first glance, but its theories are supported by a growing body of evidence, and by the indisputable stature and seriousness Thomas Gold brings to any scientific enterprise. In this book we see a brilliant and boldly original thinker, increasingly a rarity in modern science, as he develops revolutionary conclusions about the fundamental workings of our planet, the origins of life on Earth, the nature of earthquakes, and even the likelihood of life on -- or within -- other planets.



Do a search:

Thomas Gold
Abiotic Oil

captbent
11-13-2005, 10:22 PM
NOW THATS A POST, GAS HERE AT $2.09

macojoe
11-13-2005, 11:05 PM
$2.14 Wareham, Ma and $2.35 Hyannis Cape Cod

Skools Out
11-14-2005, 12:17 AM
$2.17 tonight when i came in from the coast. Still $2.50 there that's a crock um.

chumbucket
11-14-2005, 12:38 AM
I found a station here at $1.99/gal yesterday ;D

reelapeelin
11-14-2005, 10:59 AM
Bigshrimpin's post is a bummer... :-/...just when the earth was about to be saved by the depleation of oil, Gold figures out it's renewing itself so after being burned by us it'll continue to destroy the very conditions that allow us the exist in the first place...talk about good news/bad news... ::)...

bigshrimpin
11-14-2005, 03:35 PM
Reel - it's just a theory . . . and if it's true there are many unanswered questions. * I suspect that the recent hikes in oil prices and ungodly profits the oil companies (over the last several years) will keep the wheels turning on developing alternative energy sources, so that we're no longer dependent on the a single source. *

I saw $2.29 yesterday in Napa . . . that was the pre-Katrina price. * * * *

reelapeelin
11-14-2005, 05:00 PM
BS, do ya remember the pre-Bush price?...it was even better ;)...

I agree...we're definately on the road to developin' non-petroleum power sources...just wish the Feds would back (or lead) the effort more...guess the decision-makers there are still too dependant on oil REVENUES... ::)...