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macojoe
04-29-2006, 03:27 PM
Got this from a well none guy on another site:

I got this in an email....

April 18, 2006

Dear fellow boaters,

Ethanol gasoline is coming to Massachusetts and we have no choice.

Ethanol fuel is gasoline mixed with grain alcohol. The grain alcohol (ethanol) is replacing a more toxic octane enhancer. Octane is a measure of flammability of gasoline. The higher the octane, the faster the burn.

Why is this happening to us? Ethanol gasoline isn’t new. It has been used in 23 states since 1978. The Northeast has been regulated to use another fuel enhancer until this May. Now we will join the rest of the country.

Boats use less than _ of 1% of the fuel used in the US. The oil companies and EPA don’t think we use enough fuel to cause concerns of the effects of their decisions.

There are problems we will all have to endure switching to ethanol/gasoline:

The ethanol fuel starts to loose octane after 15 days in your boats fuel tank.

Do not fill your tank up unless you plan to use the fuel. If you are just running down the bay and back, keep your fuel tank less full so you will need to refuel more often in smaller amounts.

The ethanol cleans your fuel tank and sends the deposits towards your engine.

Last fall we converted most of your fuel water separators to a 10-micron filter to hedge this problem.

Ethanol promotes the gathering of water in your fuel tank.

Your fuel water separator filter should be changed every 50 hours. For most of you, that means at least once in the summer. We would suggest the last week of July or first week of August. If you change your own filters, bring a part # or the filter so we can make sure you get the right replacement.

You cannot mix large quantities of the gas you used last year with the new ethanol fuel. You will have to burn down the fuel you have before you add ethanol fuel. Therefore we will not be fueling your boat this spring as per your request on our spring launch letter. Check your fuel amount before you pick up the boat and drive away.

If you do get water in your fuel….do not use dry gas. Drygas will only add to your problem and will cause the fuel and water to separate.

Boats with older fiberglass fuel tanks (1980 and older) will have problems with the ethanol dissolving the fiberglass resin.

Fuel stabilizer that can be added to your fuel cannot be alcohol based.

Ethanol gasoline will stain fiberglass gel coat.

In the fall, you should run down the volume in your fuel tanks before storage.

We are installing all the necessary filters and are going through all the testing to make Bayside ready for the change over.

If you have any questions, please call JR or myself.

Thank you,


Jack Kent III

macojoe
04-29-2006, 03:28 PM
28 pages more on this site from peoople dealing with this already!

http://www.noreast.com/discussion/ViewTopic.cfm?page=1&startrow=1&topic_ID=26297

captbent
05-01-2006, 08:17 PM
:-[OLD CAR GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS TOO. ANYTHING RUBBER IT WILL EAT UP IN TIME,

macojoe
05-01-2006, 11:18 PM
I saw at the station I go today that it says ethanol 10% :(

Price has been stuck at $2.91 all week

Mac_Attack
05-01-2006, 11:58 PM
Just an article I found thought it was interesting and pass it on. Bill Mc ;D



http://www.lubedev.com/articles/alcohol.htm

reelapeelin
05-02-2006, 08:52 AM
I may be wrong, but it seems to me that since congress and the executive branch have "felt the heat" of how outraged the American public is, not only have prices not continued to climb, they've actually DROPPED a few cents around here...

MUST be shear coincidence, cause we all know Gov't has NOTHING to do with gas prices ::) ...

macojoe
05-02-2006, 09:02 AM
well I just addedthe first tank of 10% and I will let that run thur the system, to get rid of the old gas that was there when I got it.

I will then start milage test. I know for a fact I get 15 mpg city, long highway I get 17, towing the boat I get 12, and the camper 11.

I have also heard of the acetone deal, but it only works in the summer months??

reelapeelin
05-03-2006, 08:19 PM
No kiddin' Guys...prices have DROPPED 10 cents around here this week :o no great decline or anything, but at least it's not still goin' UP :P ...

captbent
05-03-2006, 08:49 PM
NOT HERE IN JERSEY, OR THIS WEEKEND IN RI :(

bigshrimpin
05-03-2006, 10:23 PM
Just an article I found thought it was interesting and pass it on. Bill Mc ;D

http://www.lubedev.com/articles/alcohol.htm

Mac - watch out for those "scangauge" articles . . . There full of half truths and spread serious FUD in order to pitch their product.

Mac_Attack
05-04-2006, 12:27 AM
I don't buy their products but I found info on what it takes to produce the alcohol and what you get back informative. *Its like the hybrid cars. *The energy they save does not makeup for the extra amount of energy it takes to build one. *There are a lot of different spins out there. *The more you read the better informed you become and therefor are able to make an educated guess on whats right. *Bill Mc *;D

deshet
05-04-2006, 12:42 AM
just to let every one know I filled my
1970 Buick Sylark up today with 10% ethanol

Normally after the car is warm it starts up the first without pumping the gas. Today it took sometimes up to three times to start the car. I did not relize what was going on until I read this post

thanks for the information I just hope I am not damageing my motor

bigshrimpin
05-04-2006, 06:44 PM
Mac - I totally agree there is a sea of misinformation floating around, but the net energy loss is a big myth too. The Cornell Study that everyone cites written by Dr. Pimental is proven to be wrong, but it just keep popping up in main stream media. Pimental published the ONLY study that claims ethanol is a net energy loss.

Here is a more current (accurate) study.

Argonne National Lab Study 3.28.05
http://www.ncga.com/public_policy/PDF/03_28_05ArgonneNatlLabEthanol...


Also Corn is the LEAST efficent method of producing Ethanol.
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Some criticism of Pimentals Study:

Renewable fuel standard relies on outdated data by David Pimental to refute the positive (net energy) effects of corn and are inaccurate, irresponsible and ill-informed.

Pimental, an entomologist, is the only scientist to conclude corn ethanol is a net energy loser. He's done so by perverting established scientific methods and torturing the data.

For example, Pimental's corn yields date from 1992. He assumes corn is irrigated. Only 16% of corn is irrigated and almost none of that is converted to ethanol. Pimental's research ignores life cycle analysis standards, yet respected publications such as yours continue to recycle this misinformation.

Most important, a USDA life cycle analysis of ethanol production — from the field to the car — found ethanol has a large and growing positive fossil energy balance. In fact, ethanol yields 34% more fossil energy than is used to grow and harvest corn and process it into ethanol.

In addition, your commentary fails to consider critical ethanol facts involving tax treatment for ethanol and co-products.

Gasoline is taxed by the federal government at 18.4¢/gal., but gasoline blended with ethanol is only taxed at 13.1¢/gal. It should stand corrected that the ethanol tax credit is credited to gasoline refiners and blenders, not the ethanol industry. The program is designed to encourage these entities to blend ethanol. Not a penny goes to any ethanol company.

Furthermore, the tax credit is actually a reduction in taxes paid. While reducing government revenues, it isn't at the “expense of taxpayers.” They're not paying the higher tax.

Removing the ethanol tax credit would have the effect of raising gas taxes by 5.3¢/gal. on more than 15% of gasoline sold in the U.S. And let's not forget that more than 50% of U.S. ethanol production is owned by farmers, not big agribusiness.

You should also know ethanol producers use the same corn plant to produce feed and fuel. While ethanol plants utilize one-third of the plant to process cornstarch into ethanol, the co-product distillers dried grains with solubles uses another third as a high-value feed for livestock.

It should be noted that there is no shortage of corn. Of the projected U.S. corn harvest of 10-billion bu., ethanol production will consume only about 1 billion. There's still plenty of room to grow the ethanol market without limiting corn availability.

. . . . has done its readers a disservice by using scare tactics and false, outdated data to smear a technology that's proven to be a viable way to help sustain U.S. energy security.

Fred Yoder
Plain City, OH
Past President
National Corn Growers Association
Good Ethanol Article

Mac_Attack
05-04-2006, 10:47 PM
Thanks BS, the pile of info keeps growing. *Bill Mc *;D

Here is another article on ethanol. It mentions both Pimental and /argonne Labs. *There's so much out there. *In the end we have to burn what they produce for us. *

http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Ethanol-In-Gas-Problems3jun03.htm