Main Floor Drains

[handyman_special]

Where should the floor drain to ? My V-20 just dumps to the shelvs that the oil tank, and the battery sit on.......

[willy]

Depending on the year they either drained into the bildge or they drained via a plastic hose to thru hulls mounted on the sides just above the water line.

[handyman_special]

Its a 87, and i guess i need to run a hose to the bildge from the fitting, right now it just drains on the shelf and it has a hole in it that goes somewhere

[handyman_special]

i called it " Its " i havent named er yet

[msbhammer]

For a 1987, you need through fittings.

[msbhammer]

Here is a picture of my floor drain. It drains from the deck and out the side. Does your V have hull fittings ?
Find out first before you getter her wet.

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[brianct12]

H, I think that's exactly where they were made to drain. The cockpit floor fittings (in both corners) of my '86 ... dump right onto the battery shelf as well. Some here say - that their pre-'88 models drain outside the hull. I have been meaning to take a yardstick and level .... and try and determine whether my floor has any positive height above the outside waterline. If it does, then I could add a hose to the floor fittings and plumb them outside the hull. But I dont think that is going to be the case. If it were, I would imagine Wellcraft would have done it from the factory. The 1988 and later models - had the floor raised a few inches to accomodate draining overboard.

[willy]

I really don't understand that at all, mine is an 85. Every boat I looked at ( a lot ) had thru hulls that the scuppers drained to. I know earlier boats, not sure when it started had scuppers that drained into the bildge area.
???

[brianct12]

Willy, how well do your floor drains work ? Do you have issues with outside water flowing back in ? Or is there sufficient height differential to prevent that ? Just wondering.

[Skools Out]

i have the best and truest all time boat name


"Money Pit"

[msbhammer]

As far as I know, I dont have a raised floor with the recessed floor drains. Your V for the year should have scuppers. If they dont, they may have been glassed over for some reason. The scuppers are right at the waterline. But I installed a deck drain with a ball in it to stop water from coming in. Also, if you look at my drain that i posted, I have a ....cant remember what its called now, but there is a rubber flapper inside the valve that stops water from coming in, but lets water out. I picked them up at West Marine. You really need to post pics. of your drain set up so we can get a better understanding as to what you got.

[willy]

They do well on my boat, if you check my gallery you'll see they sit about two inches above the water line. Even so if you got guys standing in the back and your rocking they let water in and then it flows back out. They all do. I've been on big sport fishers that do. You can add a one way drain like I think Hammer did and that should work but they will not be as free flowing and you will have to make sure nothing clogs it up inside.
What I do is before I launch I put in three plugs and they all sit together in the transom compartment. One is the standard screw in garber plug of bronze, the other two are the rubber and metal type garber plugs, the kind that you put in the hole and flip down the toggle to snug it. Those two go in the scupper holes, perfect fit. If I get into any snotty stuff I just pull them right out (two fingers) or if I am washing fish crap off the deck. Etc. If it is just normal fishing and playing, even in a heavy chop I never get any water in the boat so they just stay in.
If I got any water from super models climbing in and out from swimming tubing etc I just pull one of the plugs when I start moving forward and it all runs out in two seconds.

[msbhammer]

I like the one way drain for piece of mind, but do agree with Willy about clogging. I have a screen for large objects, but I track in alot of sand to the boat whenever I climb in and out. Gotta hose out the drains really good to make sure I get all the sand out.

[Airslot]

Mine's an 87 and drains out the sides as well. It wouldn;t happen to be an I/O, would it. They went to the raised deck about 80 or so, maybe 79.

Airslot

[msbhammer]

Good thinking there AIR. He need to post some pics. and we can go from there. ;D

[Airslot]

My hunch is that the I/O's may have drained into the bildge longer into the prodection run? It's a stretch of a guess, but the I/O's weighed a couple hundred pounds more and had full transom, so maybe wellcraft just let em drain to the bilge?

Airslot

[C YENSEN]

Well sorry I am late on this but my 84' is an I/O and she also drains into the bilge. the through holes in the back of the deck go right onto the battery shelf in the bilge area.

I have also thought numerous times of trying to plumb them through the side of hull. But not sure of the deck vs. water line? Anyone ever try this? just curious? Every time it rains when my boat is at the marina, she fills up to the bilge pump level and sits real low in the water :-/

[Airslot]

That was my hunch. I can think of two reasons. The thought with full transom that you would be alright, or that with 350 Chebby she might sit a just a bit lower than with a 380lb outboard?

Those are my thoughts on the why's?

Airslot

[C YENSEN]

Air,

So do you think i could go to through holes with my original 470 Mercruiser? Or would the deck be below the water line?

[garagenc]

My 1991 I/O drains overbd, the ovrbd holes are about 2-3" below deck level

[C YENSEN]

garagenc

i would love to see a pic if you can

thanks

[garagenc]

I'll check to see if I can find the camera and take one now. check back in a little.

[C YENSEN]

THANK YOU SIR 8)

[Airslot]

Somewhere about 1988 they raised the deck maybe 2", at the expense of cockpit depth. I'm just guessing here, but I'd bet that pre 88 I/O's drain to the bilge and 88 and later dran overboard. I'm sure Wellcraft had a good reason.

I'm not sure if there is a waterline difference between Outboard and I/O boat or not. Maybe Wellcraft just though that with a full transon it would be OK? Bilge pump can handle rain water, but with a notched transom they wanted the floor to drain better? I'm reaching here....


Airslot

[garagenc]

Here you go I took 2 of the outside (port & stbd) and one from the inside, the inside is 2-3" below my dk level, the rod box is remvd and the image is shown below the main dk lvl.

ps the chrome outlet is the dk drn and of course the blue line is the water line, but I never get water back into the boat unless I have a 350lb+ guy in there standing right at the drain. Also the plastic overbd drn and is 2-3" abv dk level. The inside pic shows the shoulder support for the dk so that should give you a idea of the placement.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t70/garagenc/ovbddkdrn2.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t70/garagenc/insidedkdrn.jpg

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let me know if I can help further.

[C YENSEN]

so is it the white one? what is the stainless one? live well feed?

is there any type of anit-reverse flow device in the drain? what i mean is can water from outside come into the bilge?

[garagenc]

I modified the pics to help describe it further
see if that helps

[C YENSEN]

i only see one hole on the inside pic, where is the other?

[macojoe]

I have a 75 and all goes to the bilge, I have wanted to try to make a self bailer, but I would need to see more pictures! ;D
Were are your drains on the deck? and how do they stop the water from going down threw the engine cover?

Thanks!

[randlemanboater]

Whats a "dk drn"?

[spareparts]

my 81 outboard drains from the corners of the cockpit to the splash well, just 3/4 hose plumbing it. I guess its self bailing in theory, but two 3/4 outlets are nowhere near enough. I plan to open up the cockpit drains to at least 1"(maybe even bigger) ID, and drain them over board rather than to the splashwell. Do the outlet drains work better on the side of the boat or the back?

[garagenc]

dk drn deck drain,

The second outlet you see (plastic) is for my bilge pump on 1 side and on other side it's for my aerator.

I have clips that screw in that block off the eng cvr, my drains are located about 1-2" fwd of the aft bhd.

I can take pics of the eng cvr block off's and the deck drain ("dk drn") if anyone would like, but it will have to be tomorrow, I have to leave for work in the next 20 minutes.

[randlemanboater]

Thanks garage, I'm not the sharpest.

Spare, I think the drains are on the side to allow them to be higher in relation to the waterline than if they were out the back, the transom being the lowest part of the boat. *If you run them out the back you would have to be sure to put flappers on them, otherwise water will shoot in when you back up.

[msbhammer]

That black hose is on the edge of popping off. Be careful.

[handyman_special]

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[handyman_special]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s215/handymanspecial/100_0795.jpg What is this thing for ?

[handyman_special]

Sorry i cant keep up with you all at night, I live here in the bOld Folksside of Florida and when it gets dark we all r ready 4 bed

[handyman_special]

So should i put some flappers in the transom or the sides or just run the hoses to the bildge ?

[phester]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s215/handymanspecial/100_0795.jpg * What is this thing for ?
a fire extinguisher ;)

[brianct12]

Handy, * * *Good pics. * Thats the exact same set-up as I have. For those not familiar (with the first pic) that plastic fitting is in the transom wall and the collection area is in the cockpit floor just beneath it. *One thing I'd like to change. * The current fitting leaves water and dirt in the collection area. *I'd like to remove the fitting and replace it with something that has an opening even with the bottom of the collection dip. *That would keep the area much cleaner. * Also, plumb it overboard if possible - *so to keep all the dirt, sand, fishmuck, etc *... out of the bildge.

[msbhammer]

VAry interesting Pics. Never seen an area like that. Looks like the deck drain, drains into th eone area where it looks like a battery would go, then drains into another area then out the side. This is an I/O.
Lets see some full shots of the V.

[handyman_special]

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[reelapeelin]

Handyman, you got a great lookin' "V" there... 8) ... wish I could be of more help in the scupper/floor drain dept...one thing for sure: water only flows DOWN hill...so the outlet HAS to be below the floor drain...I'd go out the sides of the hull and use the inline back-flow valves like Hammer ;) ...


...keep an eye on that bow-rail...lotta bow-rail ENVY goin' on around here ;D ...

[handyman_special]

Thanks REEL, Yes I am very proud of my V, and i will keep both eyes on my rail

[msbhammer]

Handyman, turn down that shine brother on the V. WOW, she's looks sweet. The hull is in great shape.
How much you pay for her and how long you have her ??
Wish I new more about I/O/'s, but those drain valves that I have really work. That or get the ball valve drains that mount on the outside of the hull.
Great Pics. You made my morning. Ruff night working in th erain here in De. :-/

[msbhammer]

Whats that metal plate mounted on the transom ??
You need to get a gallery going here and post your pics. ;)

[msbhammer]

Handyman, here are two scuppers that might help ya out.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f153/msbhammer/scupper1.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f153/msbhammer/scupper.jpg

Alot of this stuff is on E-Bay.

[msbhammer]

These scuppers let water out, but not in. Only thing that I found was that they are slightly bigger in dia. then your standard ones. So you will have to get a reducer for the two seperat size hoses.

[handyman_special]

Well guys, I paid 500.00 for her, boat motor & trailer, but the trailer is junk, but also I am a welder so no problem on the trailer. The alum angle on the transom was instaled for the ladder platform the only leg for it mounts on top of the angle, will post a pic of it later. and i have had the V for 2 weeks, thanks for all your input, this is a great site, and great people are on it...............thanks again.........Handy......

[reelapeelin]

Hammer, ya think those outside scuppers better than inboard ones you have...

[handyman_special]

OK guys got to head out to work, got to make money so i can throw it in to the V, You all have a great day, and dont forget to get the sweeties some sweets........Handy

[msbhammer]

Oh Wait a minute here. Is the V-20 that was on E-Bay that I wanted. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
It is, isnt it. I forgot. >:(
Pics. look better then the ones on E-Bay. You got yourself a good deal on that baby. ;D

Reel, I'm not sure on those scuppers. I like the ones that I have only because they are out of the way, unlike to the one pictured that sticks out from the hull and could get busted or snagged on something. If I was to do it again. I would run the deck drains straight out the back.
Still wondering about that bracket for your ladder. Dive ladder or just your standard swim platform.
Feel free to run outside in your undies to snap a few pivs. now. Hell, I door it all the time. People next door are use to it by now. :P

[Airslot]

There was one question left anunswered from what I've read. The plastic box in the port gunnel is to mount the fire extinguisher.

Airslot

Also, it appears that none of the factory full transom V's drain over the side?

[willy]

Mine does Air, 85 with sea drive conversion to bracket. The sea drives were all full transoms with a small 6x7 hole for the controls in them.

[Airslot]

Thanks Willy. This is geting harder to figure out. Some of the SeaDrive boats drain overboard, some to the bilge. It also appears that over the years that there may have been different transoms on seadrive, I/O's, and outboards.

Airslot

[macojoe]

Mine doesn't drain over, but that was in th 70's when they were just figuring things out.

[Stillrunning]

My 83 drains from floor into the splash well which was 3/4 inch tubing. When we had the boat apart to replace the transom I changed over to 1 inch tubing which helped alot with draining. Only tim I have trouble with water coming into the splash well then onto the floor is when several people are standing in the back of the boat fishing. I just keep to rubber boat plugs I stick in to keep the water out.

[randlemanboater]

To keep up the confusion, my 1984 OB drains overboard out the sides.

[macojoe]

To keep up the confusion, my 1984 OB drains overboard out the sides.


Owns a boat for 3 days and he is a expert?? ;D ;)

[THEFERMANATOR]

To keep up the confusion, my 1984 OB drains overboard out the sides.
Well my 84 drains into the bilge and has the low floor in it.

[randlemanboater]

Must be that the boats they made on 1st shift had overboard drain, 2nd shift put in drain to bilge, and 3rd shift just slept.

[randlemanboater]

* * *

Owns a boat for 3 days and he is a expert?? *;D ;)


I am not a smart man, but I know what love is. Jeauhnee.

[macojoe]

3rd shift just slept.

I thought I had all the doors locked, and windows covered? I am busted again!! ;)

[reelapeelin]

I am not a smart man, but I know what love is. Jeauhnee.




Yer smart enuff to go get a nice "V" when ya see it ;) ...

[THEFERMANATOR]

From what I've seen, the sea-drive and I/O models with the full transom got the lower floor with drains to the bilge. That's the word on the street anyways.

[phatdaddy]

83 ob drains overboard..................usually.

[Airslot]

I'm fairly confident that all post 79' outboards drain overboard. It's the I/O's and seadrives that are hard to figure.

Airslot

[reelapeelin]

Pretty clear what we like to think is WRONG...we like to think all boats of a given yr were made the same; all OBs same, all I/Os same, all Sea Drives same, etc...readin thru this thread they all seem like snowflakes...all different ???


When one guy says '84 does this, another says that...are we comparin' CCs w/Cuddys or Cuddys w/ Cuddys? ???

[randlemanboater]

OK, from now on in this thread, list year, model, and original propulsion.

1984, OB, 20" transom, Cuddy, drains overboard.

[reelapeelin]

OK, from now on in this thread, list year, model, and original propulsion.

1984, OB, 20" transom, Cuddy, drains overboard.



R-Man...that's a mighty long legged OB for 20"... :D ...

[THEFERMANATOR]

R-Man...that's a mighty long legged OB for 20"... :D ...
So that's what he told the wife.

[randlemanboater]

Yeah, the one on there now is a 25" I guess, but it is a 20" transom boat with a plate on there for the 25" motor.

Speaking of the transom, it is solid.

[reelapeelin]

Yeah, the one on there now is a 25" I guess, but it is a 20" transom boat with a plate on there for the 25" motor.

Speaking of the transom, it is solid.




So what's the Zuke?...20 or 25"?...

[randlemanboater]

Johnzuki = 20 " ;D

[randlemanboater]

1984 V-20 OB overboard drains.

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[C YENSEN]

Hey Randleman,

seeing these pics on your 84' really makes me think i can get away with doing overboard drains on my I/O 84'.

I cant wait to get the cover off of her and start playing this spring ;D

[randlemanboater]

Hey Randleman,

seeing these pics on your 84' really makes me think i can get away with doing overboard drains on my I/O 84'.

I cant wait to get the cover off of her and start playing this spring ;D

That's what its all about. Looking at the pic of your boat, it looks like it would work.

Just remember, my motor is around 400 pounds, what does your I/O combo weigh?

[C YENSEN]

Just remember, my motor is around 400 pounds, what does your I/O combo weigh?

not sure what she weighs, I think that is a question for Lord Skools ;D

[macojoe]

I/O is about 500 pounds ;)

almost the same as OB but in a different location.

[C YENSEN]

Thanks Brotha!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

[msbhammer]

Randleman, seen your pics. Your lucky that your 90 degree elbow on the underside of your deck drain is intact. Mine were broken and wasnt able to find replacement parts. Had to go with a larger deck drain myself.

[macojoe]

All this drain talk??
whats the big deal??
I have no drains, goes to the bilge!
I have no pumps, Just wait till i get home pull the plug!!

Was great last year when I had a leak in the hull!! :o Someone (not me) screwed a pump to the floor at one time and the screw rotted away leaving me wit a 1/8 hole, Amazing how much water gets in thur that small of a hole!! :o

CB quick get the hand pump!! ;) I knew I brought him for a reason!! ;D

[msbhammer]

Whats the matter with small tight holes. ;D :P :P :P

[C YENSEN]

Whats the matter with small tight holes. *;D *:P :P :P

Absolutely Nothing, I wouldn't have it any other way. 8)

[randlemanboater]

Randleman, seen your pics. Your lucky that your 90 degree elbow on the underside of your deck drain is intact. Mine were broken and wasnt able to find replacement parts. Had to go with a larger deck drain myself.

It seems that the boat is in pretty good shape. I was supprised at how nice and clean the bilge area was.

I think overall it is a good boat........the Merc, I'm not so sure.

[parishht]

Mine self bails out the back.
One of the hoses is broken, so it drains into the bilge.
I think there are supposed to be ball check valves
in my deck drain hoses, but they are broken.
so, I keep corks in the rear hose exits and any water drains into the bilge.
I have a bilge pump that I run occasionally.
After last year when I forgot my bilge plug and almost sank the V,
I will not be caught without a bilge pump.


HAMMER, go take some pix for me, just kidding,
I just checked all my boat pix and I don't have any here.

[msbhammer]

Damm Parishht, was hoping to snap some pics and post them :( :-[ :'( ;D

[lumberslinger178]

Absolutely Nothing, I wouldn't have it any other way. 8)

I'll take em any way i could get em

[randlemanboater]

All this drain talk??
whats the big deal??
I have no drains, goes to the bilge!
I have no pumps, Just wait till i get home pull the plug!!

Was great last year when I had a leak in the hull!! *:o *Someone (not me) screwed a pump to the floor at one time and the screw rotted away leaving me wit a 1/8 hole, Amazing how much water gets in thur that small of a hole!! :o

CB quick get the hand pump!! ;) I knew I brought him for a reason!! *;D

I say we use the proceeds from this years fishing tourney to buy MJ a bilge pump before he ends up at the bottom of the sea.

[parishht]

I'll bet HAMMER would trade a bilge pump for a bracket ;) ;) ;D

[macojoe]

I say we use the proceeds from this years fishing tourney to buy MJ a bilge pump before he ends up at the bottom of the sea.

The funny thing is I have 2 brand new pumps sitting on the bench right now, one is a 500 the other is a 1200.

There is no room for me to get them in the bilge, cause of the gas tank I added (25 gal) so I just go with out for the last 4 or 5 years.

What I need is a self priming pump that can go on th deck with a hose in the bilge, and hope that when I turn it on it can draw up about 10" and then spit it out.

I also have to wash down pumps that I have been thinking of putting in there, maybe that would do the trick??

But for now I have a hand pump and CB along for the ride, so as long as CB can pump thats how long we will float! ;D ;)

[randlemanboater]

Just keep some good life jackets with ya!

[macojoe]

what are those?? ;D

[parishht]

or if you can get a hold of some of Willy's flotation devices (good morning post),
take those along.

[macojoe]

Now thats an Idea!!

But If I could get a hold of a few of them I wouldn't care about boating!!

[parishht]

I heard that when you are down in the cuddy,
it's almost like a water bed.