Specs

[tsubaki]

Anybody got some correct specifications on a "75 cuddy V20 (such as weight cap., max hp outboard and displacement)?

[labii]

Have you looked in the 1975 catalog located in the history section ?

[C YENSEN]

go out to the main page then go to the gallery and the history or catalog page ;D

[tsubaki]

Thanks, I'm starting to look through them.

[parishht]

Here, click the link:

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=cat_1975

[parishht]

Welcome to the site. ;)

Almost forgot to give you a proper welcome.
and before anyone else syas it,


MSBHAMMER will be expecting pictures.

[tsubaki]

This boat was purchased by my grandfather (new) in "75 and I stumbled upon it by way of the third owner. I just bought it a week ago. It's amazing that it was in the same county for all these years. Hull and trailer is in remarkable shape for the age but now the work begins.

[parishht]

Just remember, it is a labor of love and not for money,
and the grandfather connection makes it even better. ;)

[reelapeelin]

Welcome to the site...take some digital pix and somebody'll walk ya thru postin' 'em here...helps us help you ;)...


Yer '75 probably looks kinda like the one below...

[Pipe_Dream]

This boat was purchased by my grandfather (new) in "75 and I stumbled upon it by way of the third owner. I just bought it a week ago. It's amazing that it was in the same county for all these years. Hull and trailer is in remarkable shape for the age but now the work begins.
Awesome! Welcome to the madness!

[C YENSEN]

Congrats on the purchase! You will find a real good group of guys here that can help you figure out any questions you have about your boat. Just hope you dont mind some of the insanity that goes around too ;D

[tsubaki]

Right now it's going to take me a couple of weeks of evualation (and putting off other work) before I can begin revival. Thanks ya'll. (pictures will follow then)

[macojoe]

Welcome to the site!! Mine is also a 1975 !!

[reelapeelin]

Right now it's going to take me a couple of weeks of evualation (and putting off other work) before I can begin revival. Thanks ya'll. (pictures will follow then)




Do it when ya can, but BEFORE pix are always appreciated here ;) ...does she still have the same motor your granddad got 'er in '75?...

[tsubaki]

No, he blew it up!

[reelapeelin]

No, he blew it up!




Do you need one? A member here has a nice Merc 150 for a good price ... I'd get it inna heartbeat if I needed one ...

[tsubaki]

Well, it's got a 150 Mariner on it (not yet tested) and I've got a 90 Evinrude plus the parts to upgrade to 140. Thanks

[tsubaki]

Just as soon as I can aggrivate my father about the history of this boat I'll post its progression to now.

[randlemanboater]

Welcome to the site tsubaki. May all of your V-20 adventures be enjoyable, or at least not land you in the poor house.

[garagenc]

congrats man and welcome

[reelapeelin]

No, he blew it up!




Ooops :o ...sorry to hear ...fill us in on whatever history ya get from yer dad...this is an interesting story... 8) ...

[tsubaki]

(trying to keep this brief)
Granddaddy bought the boat new in "75 for $4995 with a single axle trailer and 125 Evinrude. Being in poor health sold it to his nephew about 1981. Not receiving payment for some time he asked Daddy to repossess it. Finding the boat without a motor (supposedly blown), Daddy informed Granddaddy and he sent money for a new motor. Daddy bought and installed a new 140 Evinrude ($2200) about 1982. The boat sat for about two years unused till after Granddaddy died and Grandma asked Daddy to sell the boat. Having done all the work he bought it, however the motor had a defect with the piston grooves too close to the top and was now out of warrenty and politely blew the carbs off. Daddy let a childhood friend (Fred) sell the boat to a fishing buddy. Fred's buddy died sometime later and Fred sold it to his son in laws father. Well he died later (about two years ago), so the son in law had the boat unused for this time now with a 150 Mariner on it. A couple weeks ago Fred asked Daddy if he knew anyone interested in the boat, so $700 later it ended up with me.

[macojoe]

Wow thats a lot of dead people :-/ I becareful if I was you!!

[Pipe_Dream]

Wow thats a lot of dead people *:-/ *I becareful if I was you!!
My thoughts exactly!

[reelapeelin]

I think that boat is where it's been tryin' to be since your granddad passed on... ;) :) ...

[tsubaki]

Well considering the boats 32yrs old, the survival rate of former owners is almost expected.

[Airslot]

Sounds like the boat finally found its proper home. *Good luck with her. :)

[msbhammer]

Sounds like a Black Widow v-20 to me. *;D

None of those pics. opened up *:-/

Wecome to the site. Now please post pics. ;D

[tsubaki]

Excuse me, I'm still a newbian.

[msbhammer]

We have a easy section on uploading pics. Will need a photobucket.com account. Its free. Any problems, email the pics you would like to post and I'll post them for ya. ;)

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/P3160389.jpg

[tsubaki]

Well, I was trying to get greedy and post all pictures at once. I'm still experimenting.

[msbhammer]

Damm, thought the boat was falling on my head. ;D

[tsubaki]

(Now that I've caught my breath from laughing) That's the worst hull damage.

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/P3160390.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/P3160383.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/P3160385.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/P3160386.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/P3160388.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/P3160387.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/P3160382.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/P3160381.jpg

[tsubaki]

Allright that's enough eye splitting for now. Below the rubrail has never been painted or repaired. The top was repainted. Ya'll see what I've got to work with isn't too terrible.

[reelapeelin]

Excuse me, I'm still a newbian.



Uh...we're "Don't ask, don't tell" around here ;) ;D ...

[reelapeelin]

Allright that's enough eye splitting for now. Below the rubrail has never been painted or repaired. The top was repainted. Ya'll see what I've got to work with isn't too terrible.



Some clean-up and TLC and you'll have a good one...I think your previous owner was related to my previous owner...mine's got exactly the SAME TWO THRU-HULL FITTIN'S as yours in the SAME TWO PLACES!!...SWEAR ;) ...

[tsubaki]

I believe that's the way Granddaddy bought it with toilet (now removed).

[tsubaki]

Priceless is the smile of a grandchild and your father complaning about your boat that he once owned. Work continues.

[reelapeelin]

Priceless is the smile of a grandchild and your father complaning about your boat that he once owned. Work continues.



It's all good...let it roll... ;) ...

[macojoe]

Thats what I have in mine, yes from the toilet!! But your look plastic?? I would change that!!

Rell is right a bit of elbow grease and you be good to go! ;)

[tsubaki]

Amongst doing other things to da boat and having to putoff pouring glass this weekend, I decided to stick tires on the trailer instead. Being nosey I couldn't help looking at the bearings and greasing them. Of all things this axle is 2" square stock, milled at the spindles and step tapered from 1 1/4 to 3/4 for the bearings. Not to mention the dust cap is a small size about 1 25/32. Should of took pictures if this was unusual. Sorry, plenty of time to do later when I reposition the axle. :-/

[tsubaki]

Oh, Jesus fricken Christ. If I were a cat I'd already be dead. Again got nosey and pulled the motor off to remove the aluminum transom cap, figured I could reseal it. More plundering I ended up removing the wood in the transom, the center was fine but the sides were nonexistant. Like daddy said you've gone this far can't stop now.

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture001.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture002.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture008.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture009.jpg

[reelapeelin]

Tsubaki...I sure hope ya keep postin' pix of this project...I'm thinkin' about this w/mone one day ;) :D ...


How do you work the spacer blocks after the pour?...

[tsubaki]

Intending on glassing the hole this weekend. There are some things to be aware of if intending to do this and we're working the problems out as we go. Daddy has done this three times on other boats and we'll see if this is the best yet. My wifes 16'' Remington electric chain saw was instrimental in preforming the task.

[tsubaki]

The spacer blocks were just an initial hold for the 5200 to the inside walls to the transom which will be removed when the "pour" will be done. There are a lot of other concerns as we go. As to not fill the assend full of resin but get a good balance between glass and cloth. Again this might be trial and error. The most important thing probably will be to maintain 2-2 1/8'' on the transom.

[tsubaki]

You know the defination of insanity is preforming the same task over and over but yet expecting different results. If the wood rotted, why are you replacing with wood???

[tsubaki]

Reel this is what we did sofar, please let me know if it don***8217;t make sense. First we cut the cap off with a small cutoff wheel. It seemed to kick up less dust and got in the corners.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/cutoffwheel.jpg

[tsubaki]

Then we dug out the transom with storebought and homemade tools, wifes 16***8221; electric chainsaw, prybar, flat chisel, flat scraper, lost tool or bolt grapple, shopvac with 1 ¼***8221; id hose extension.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/tools.jpg
Don***8217;t add oil to the chainsaw (figured if this works I can buy a new bar & chain), the flat scraper was cut on 45***8217; with a chopsaw and the weight alone did the work. 1 ¼***8221; auger bits and paddle bits with a drill motor were only used for some very fine work. We didn***8217;t cut or work above the rubrail, the rationalization was there is nothing structurally needed there plus it involves a lot more work.

[tsubaki]

Once we got the old wood out we cut some ½” pieces of fiberglass panel for the area’s shown for a total of 5 panels to be inserted. * *
* * * * * * * *http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture028.jpg

[tsubaki]

*Look into the bottom as you vacuum the junk out and you will see voids between the different steps of the hull. What we did was anything bigger than 1” we cut a 1/8” panel of fiberglass from an old boat project and 5200ed it to the opening (this was in 2 locations).
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/CopyofPicture017.jpg

[tsubaki]

As you seen earlier the shims used were to maintain 2-2 1/8” for the backsplash glued with 5200,
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture009.jpg
once this was done the only time other clamps were needed was when we worked up to within 4” of the transom, after that the glass had set so the clamps were no longer needed.

[tsubaki]

We shimmed the glass panels with pieces of scuff abrasive that is usually used with floor sanders.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture142.jpg
After plugging other cracks with the scuff pad we began the pour keeping the panels about center of inside and outside molded body.

[tsubaki]

I know you ain’t going to have the panels I had, you can make them up ahead of time and probably do better than we did by making them about 1” thick and pouring glass between the hulls and panel. The inside of the transom was comprised of ¾ & ½” pieces of plywood which came to 1 ¼” inside thickness. I wouldn’t worry about trying to make the panels perfect, most of the strength need will be directly around the motor bolt on area. Once you pour and stuff cloth as a filler it will be fine. I calculated that it would take about 8 gallons of pure resin to fill the transom if no cloth was used. Just guessing if you built the panels you would need about 18yards of ¼ woven cloth and 6 gallons of resin.

[tsubaki]

We kept pouring and packing until we got to the top of the backsplash then cut the cap into 3 pieces
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/CopyofPicture021.jpg
and taped the lowest piece in place then moved to the sides pouring and packing as we went until we got level with the top of the sides and poured and packed and taped to keep it all in place. Oh don’t forget to tape under the backwash for escaping resin.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture027.jpg
This is the cap after leveling with cloth and resin, so to not have cracks between the different hull molds.
I have to see what happens with the cleanup of adjacent areas before deciding on paint or Marine-Tex.

[macojoe]

wow thats some good work! Not sure I followed it all but looks good!

[tsubaki]

I didn't have time to take pictures as we went so the reason for the after pictures being colored. Let me know what don't make sense. I'll also try to proof read and edit some of the posts.

[msbhammer]

Great Pics. I got lost when you posted a pic. of that sqare piece of glass. You inserted them into the transom and then poured over them ??

[tsubaki]

Yeah the picture before the square glass is the sizes of the square glass we cut to go in the transom. The red, blue and green outlines for a total of five pieces.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture.jpg

[tsubaki]

And to make darn sure we filled the assend completely I cut a plug out with the Roto-Zip and drilled a 1 1/4'' hole in the direction of the backsplash and finished off pouring and packing.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture026.jpg
Now all I have left is the purty up part.

[tsubaki]

As if I didn't have enought to do.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture032.jpg
Got annoyed that the Mariner needed a starter to check the compression (or at least cleaning the brushes) so we found another prospect. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[tsubaki]

Oh' to show that I can stay semi focused on the job at hand.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture036.jpg

[tsubaki]

Now I'm going to start cleaning the old painted portions and fill holes from all the other stuff I removed. :P

[tsubaki]

Do you think this is USCG approved ?
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture040.jpg

[parishht]

Why do you need an extra pump?

IMPO - the less electric around fuel, the better.

[tsubaki]

No. Just didn't like the idea, so we installed what may have been the correct one(s).

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture042.jpg

[tsubaki]

This is what we had to work with, except for the fact that the nipples were plugged off.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture037.jpg

[tsubaki]

This is what the motor looks like after water pump, cleaning carbs, changing the fuel delivery and paint.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture041.jpg

[tsubaki]

And not pursuing the Mariner was a couple of other stories. Come to find out Fred had put 4 pistons in it back when he had it. The last guy that had it (who died) put two pistons in it. We got to worring about all these replaced (burned) pistons, plus the fact the starter was dragging, knowing the carbs are varnished and the water pump needs replacing, a linkage is broken and if all is right with the world maybe only repainting the motor will get me in the water, not to mention the trim wires were bare. Couldn't help it, I'm partial to OMC or BRP or who ever they are this week. ;) ;)

[macojoe]

Great Job there!!

[randlemanboater]

You need to put some flames on that motor, then it will be set.

[tsubaki]

Not that it has anything to do with this forum. Just got back from the emer vet. Two of my dogs had pinned a copperhead, so I killed it and threw it in the creek and checked the dogs. Well an hour later one was shaking a little. After looking at him closer surenuff he got bit. We've been living here over 24 years and have never seen a poisonous snake. Took him in, they treated him, 30 minutes and $228 less we back at the house. It never gets dull. Sorry no dead snake pictures or real good dog photo.

[tsubaki]

Maybe I need some of his drugs, the dog looks goofy.
My cousin three houses up found another one trying to greet him at his steps today.
As you can imagine we returned the welcome with a hoe across his back. ;D

[tsubaki]

Oh a couple of things not too terribly common we found removing the motor from the other boat.
The power source for the electric fuel pump was derived from the harness where it passed by the tank.
They intercepted the purple wire for constant hot when switched on.

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/wireharness.jpg

[tsubaki]

And this is one I haven't seen but is very interesting.

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/pressgauge.jpg

[tsubaki]

I don't know yet if between removing the VRO system, installing the electric fuel pump, and whatever else they did to the boat what the reasoning was for the pressure gauge. The only thing I can figure is they must have overidden the warning horn problems with the oil injection by removing or disconnecting it thus the overheat warning portion would also be defeated. So what they did was intercept the peehole and run the tube to the console with the pressure gauge. I thought it was ingenius but I prefer the horn (even over a temp gauge).
Having a pressure gauge and overheat warning horn would be nice.

[tsubaki]

;D HOT DAWG. I'm now a legal V owner. The registration finally showed up in the mail !!
;) :) ;D :P

[tsubaki]

Trying to get the area's most critical to bolting motor,controls,steering and gauges cleaned up and remove old paint to be able to progress a little farther.

[tsubaki]

Found this to be less abrasive on the gel coat but it only takes one layer of paint off at the time.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/stripper.jpg

[tsubaki]

Well when photobucket gets it's panties out of a wadd I'll finish.

[tsubaki]

before


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture049.jpg

[tsubaki]

after
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture048.jpg

[tsubaki]

Stains like this and the gray colored Marine Tex to fill holes is the only rational reason I can find why they painted the upper deck only.


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/stains.jpg

[tsubaki]

thanks again photobucket

[bradford]

Don't ya hate that!? :) ;)

[tsubaki]

Here's the finish after buffing.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture052.jpg

[tsubaki]

Yeah, I don't know if the sun and moon got in sync or if the tide farted. ;D But seems fine now.
More to do,more to do,more to do.

[tsubaki]

Not that there is any appreciable difference but decided to clean the deck a little.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture062.jpg

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture063.jpg
They had painted over the mildew and stains instead of cleaning the gelcoat.
Once I remove the rest of the paint I can them clean and wax the gelcoat. It's proving slow.

[reelapeelin]

I'm sure it seems slow, but at least everything's there...all windshield components and sliding hatch...some of the guys have been lookin' for that stuff for years ;)...

Once ya get all the old paint off, ya gonna go back w/new?...stock color?...

[tsubaki]

None or I should say the original. So far once I strip the paint, clean or watersand the gelcoat then buff with a coarse rubbing compound and then wax, the finish is reasonablly acceptable.

[tsubaki]

More and more getting tore out and refurbished.
Drained and removed the tanks during the week and today bought the stuff to refit.

[tsubaki]

Tank spec label.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture064.jpg

[tsubaki]

Found out why one tank acted clogged.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture065.jpg
Filter (now cleaned) and pickup tube full of trash.
The other tank is perfect.

[tsubaki]

Sending units
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture067.jpg

[tsubaki]

And fill and vent stuff.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture068.jpg

[tsubaki]

As you can tell no great expense has been applied to most of this project. My initial goal is to get operational and then get a feel of what I might want to modify.

[macojoe]

i have the same tanks, and had the same problem, I got rid of the ball in there years ago!!

If I could make a sugestion, On these old models they put the gas vents below the rub rail, well they all leak gas!!
When you fill up they will splash out, when you going down the road and stop gas comes splashing out all over!

This was a poor design!! and I am not alone, I have spoke with others that have had the same problem.

What I did was disconect the oringal and left in place as not to have to fix the hole.

Then added New 90* angle ones up higher on the Gunnel step up, Have never had another problem.

Keep up the good work!!

http://syncboard.com/albums/Boat-Tackle-Box/Copy_of_Picture_041_Small.jpg

[reelapeelin]

Like MJ, I moved mine above the rub-rail also...mine was takin' on water in turns in any kind of seas...you might wanna keep it as for now, but 1st time you get water in your gas or you see a trail of gas runnin' from them, you'll wanna make this change ;) ...

[tsubaki]

Thanks MJ an Reel. That's why I'm hesitant to made many changes at this point without having prior knowledge of problems to come.
When daddy had the boat, instead of replacing the stuff and cleaning the tanks he just used a surface tank, so I'm sure he is unaware of the vent problem.
Once I get it useable I'm sure to made other changes.
Oh on ya'lls fuel gauge(s), did you have one or two? I was going to try this anyway, mine had one gauge and a three position switch. Basically, left tank, off, right tank.

[macojoe]

I had one gauge as you say, But they never worked right and I have no used a gauge in 8 years!

I just know now, I do a 30 mile round trip, and maybe another 10 or 20 moving around tyrying different spots and when they day is done I have used 15 to 18 gal gas.
Unless I went off shore, I have never used more then 1 tank of gas for the day.
I also have a 3rd tank I put were the I/O use to be before I converted, Thats total 65 gal.

[reelapeelin]

I put two new gauges in for mine, but the single gauge/switch setup works great...just depends on what ya wanna do and how much room ya got... ;) ...

[tsubaki]

Pics of the balls MJ was talking about

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture074.jpg
From
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture075.jpg

[tsubaki]

Oh, and to make dang sure we're (mostly) USCG approved with the filler and vent tubeing.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture073.jpg

[tsubaki]

Note the pretty red stripe along the entire length of the tubeing so as to readily be able to identify the correct materials used.

[tsubaki]

For the nominal price of *$7.54 a foot for 1 1/2 and $3.20*for 5/8. Thank you very much >:(

Oh 7% sales tax will be expected

[tsubaki]

Oh and believe it or not that was a deal! :P

[macojoe]

Yea I had a bit of a sticker shock when I did mine also!! But you are doing it right the first time you you are saving money!

[tsubaki]

The cost didn't phase me , it was the price per foot.

[tsubaki]

Put some hangers in both sides of the boat and the rear. The original ones were no longer there.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture088.jpg

[tsubaki]

Glued them in about every 16 inches with fast cure 5200.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture087.jpg
The hangers are 2 1/2 '' pvc that were cut 1" and ruffed up where the 5200 would stick better.

[macojoe]

How did you glue them in there??

[tsubaki]

The fast cure was so sticky I could have probably got away without duct tapeing them in place, love this stuff.
More to do, more to do.

[reelapeelin]

tsubaki...looks like yer gonna splash 'er soon ;D ... whatcha gotta do B4 ya can splash??... 8) ...

[macojoe]

I need to add some new ones also. Another project will it ever end??

Thanks for the tip!! I got a bad foot, can anyone come do it for me? ;) ;D

[tsubaki]

MJ, I'm sure one of them guys will be glad to throw you in the boat. You will be spending most of your time on your back anyway. Oh, and you'll find out 2" is too small and 3" is too big. Buy a 10' piece of electrical pvc and cut with a miter or chop saw.
Reel, Daddy was on me yesterday to finish it enough to put it in the water. Quessing a couple of weeks.
What to do is everything:steering, gauges,controls,(all)electrical,mount motor,hell I ain't even put the numbers on yet.

[macojoe]

Well all my stuff is run and done, But I have a lot tied to the steering cable to hold up nice.

But I have to replace the rope lights and That will be perfect, and as needed I will move or add wires to it over time.

[tsubaki]

I'm sure you can knotch and glue. However it will be time consuming. You'll have to prop it up instead of duct tapeing it.

[tsubaki]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture090.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture091.jpg
more to do,more to do

[macojoe]

I had a sheet like that and another of 1/2, Very little left now that I did the hole boat over in it!!

all the red is starboard!!

http://syncboard.com/albums/Boat-Tackle-Box/7234_G.sized.jpg

http://syncboard.com/albums/Boat-Tackle-Box/7777_G.sized.jpg

The tackle Box all starboard!

http://syncboard.com/albums/Boat-Tackle-Box/Picture_229.sized.jpg

[Pipe_Dream]

Can't you buy starboard in white only, without those red dots???




















:D

[reelapeelin]

Can't you buy starboard in white only, without those red dots???:D




The Factory Seconds have red dots ;) ... ;D ;D ;D ...

[macojoe]

I like the red spots,they make it different! ;) ;D

[reelapeelin]

I like the red spots,they make it different! ;) ;D




MJ...earlier you mentioned usin' the T & T switch...where'd ya wind up puttin' it?...any pix?...

[tsubaki]

Was just now cutting the Starboard and my neighbor came up and said "if you got any leftover......" (I quickly replied) "no,ain't gonna have any leftover,gonna use it all" and smiled.
He did to.

[macojoe]

I was going to mount to the dash, then I hate to make more holes? But I like it on the throttle, so what I did was tape it in a few places and decided I liked it on the throttle arm, I used a wire tie and its perfect, works almost like a stock one! ;D

I am going to pick up another one soon, I hate having to get in and out the boat to tilt up and down, going to mout this one on the motor is self or transom?

[tsubaki]

This is what you need to cut Starboard
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/skillsaw.jpg
I (mostly) followed the instructions while ruff cutting the floor hatches and cuddy panels. When it got to the fine work of fitting out of lazyness got the battery saw out.
This thing cuts long, fine, etc, better than anything else.
The fact that it's low rpm does the trick.

[tsubaki]

Goddamn you photobucket
Sorry guys it's getting worst
Had to get my wife to make it work.

[macojoe]

My table saw was perfect!! Its the Jig saw were it gets nasty, doesn't cut fast enough.

[tsubaki]

DELAYS, DELAYS.
Told Reel possibly a couple of weeks before splashdown, well that didn't happen.
While starting to reassemble steering and other stuff, found the backboard to the steering to be too weak to support it. So I had to tear it out and replace it.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture103.jpg
And not to meantion another excuse was ts Barry.

[tsubaki]

Well at least I'm still progressing.
Got the tanks installed but not attached to the floor yet.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture099.jpg

[tsubaki]

And did like Reel and MJ said by moving the gas vent to above the rubrail.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture104.jpg
In the original vent location, instead of filling the hole I just put a new one in. Hell $6 each side is easier and cheaper than fixing the holes. ;)

[tsubaki]

Some pics so far.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture098.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture100.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture101.jpg
No that red oxide color isn't staying on the glove box.
Fred brought it over with some bimini hardware. That's the original box, belive it or not!
Oh and the seats aren't for that boat.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture102.jpg

[tsubaki]

I have come to the realization that I'm not going to complete it the way I want, so I'm just going to get it to the point of "useable" to then see what changes I'll need to do.
"Splashdown" will be redefined as "test run", when that happens.

[reelapeelin]

I have come to the realization that I'm not going to complete it the way I want, so I'm just going to get it to the point of "useable" to then see what changes I'll need to do.
"Splashdown" will be redefined as "test run", when that happens.



WOW, tsubaki!!...you makin' some reel headway on yer V ;) ...lookin' good, Man!! Only thing I'm a little concerned about is tight gaps around floor hatches...this stuff E X P A N D S in hot weather, and if ya don't leave a lil' wiggle-room it'll make it difficult to lift those hatch-lids ... I know, I know...generally tight gaps ARE good ;) ...

[macojoe]

you got the hard stuff done, thats all you need!!

Took me like 7 years to get mine to were it is today, just do a little every year, when the fish get here stop and wait till the fall & spring for repairs!

floor covers leave about 1/8 to 3/16 gap all the way around, thats pleanty of room for the expansion!

[reelapeelin]

Gappage, Man!!...ya need some GAPPAGE!! ;D ...

[tsubaki]

I didn't even think about expansion and contraction of that stuff. Well it was 97* yesterday and from what it remember it was about 85* when I took the pictures.
When I cut it, I felt that all the pieces were too small. I'll keep an eye on it, at least I can still cut some more off. ;D

[reelapeelin]

I didn't even think about expansion and contraction of that stuff. Well it was 97* yesterday and from what it remember it was about 85* when I took the pictures.
When I cut it, I felt that all the pieces were too small. I'll keep an eye on it, at least I can still cut some more off. ;D



Good news is you sized 'em HOT ;) ... so ya oughtta be OTAY BUCKWHEAT!! ...

[tsubaki]

Looking for an easy place to mount the water seperator, may have found it.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture159.jpg

[tsubaki]

Cutting a 4'' square piece of stainless and drilling holes for mounting.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture161.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture160.jpg

[tsubaki]

Mount it directly over the transom bolts (leaveing the nuts in place) provides air flow and more room around for later, if the filter gets stuck.

[tsubaki]

Some reason this past week the doldrums set in, Daddy said it's just burnout working on these pieces of chit (we are working on three boats at the same time). Well a little breeze seems to have picked up and I seem to be moveing again.

[tsubaki]

Did cut some more Starboard.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture162.jpg

[tsubaki]

And needed a spacer for the controls.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture155.jpg

[tsubaki]

Oh, interesting shot from the front of the boat to the rear thru the forward hold in the cuddy.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture163.jpg

[tsubaki]

The bottom is the V-step, the left is the floor boxes side wall, the right is the outside wall and the top is the floor.
Opens up some possibilities, don't know what yet.

[reelapeelin]

The bottom is the V-step, the left is the floor boxes side wall, the right is the outside wall and the top is the floor.
Opens up some possibilities, don't know what yet.



Keep goin' tsubaki and you'll steal MJ's Starboard King's crown right off his head ... lookin' good 8) ...that void in the last pic would be full of flotation-foam if it were made today ;) ...



...oh and I LIKE the double-duty on the filter mount ...



8) ...

[macojoe]

He has away to go!! ;)

also need a new dash, floor covers, gas tank covers, tackle box, cup holder, anchor pulpit! ;D

Its Looking good!!

[tsubaki]

I don't believe I can match MJ's Starboard consumption ability.
At best I'll end up useing 5300sq in, MJ has at least 20000 on his. ;D ;D

[Hammerhead]

Pain in the azz it may be,..it's worth it. Good job.

[macojoe]

I used almost 1 full sheet of 3/8, have a small piece left

I used almost 1 sheet of 3/4, Have a small amount of that left also

Full sheets are 54" X 96" ;) ;D

[tsubaki]

Ok,ok, only 10000 ;D ;D

[reelapeelin]

Yeah, we wouldn't wanna get into any EXAGGERATIONS around here ::) ...ya might get yer Nortons wacked :o ...

[tsubaki]

Daddy showed up with a ladder off a boat I had owned in 1978, so I put it to good use.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture009-1.jpg

[tsubaki]

Found some stainless oar locks, cut them off and mounted them upside down for the brackets.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture008-1.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture007-1.jpg

[macojoe]

Looks like a strong ladder!! Good work!

But let me ask one thing, I do not see any sign of 5200 or 4200 under that bracket??

You have to put some on all screwes or water will just suck into the wood there!
and make sure you counter sink the hole a little so the glass doesn';t crack around it. Just use a drill 2 sizes bigger and touck the gel coat with it to make it flare you will be fine.

[tsubaki]

I looked at that, there's only glass there so I put fender washers under the cap.

[bradford]

Sweet ladder tsubaki, what kind of boat did it come of of?

[tsubaki]

It was some kind of 16' semi-v hull that had an old 40hp Evinrude on it and the tank mounted in the front bow, a lot like a cuddy. Come to think of it I still got the gas tank, a square 12-18 gallon aluminum one!
Wish I had removed the flanges that I had to make to reuse the ladder.

[reelapeelin]

I like that ladder!!... looks sturdy as all get-out ;) ... fender-washers'll probably do, but I's gonna suggest a pretty substantial backin'-plate under those mounts ... your cap's just like mine and I know there ain't much there ;) ... keep an eye on 'em and if cracking starts showin' around those mounts, ya might wanna go beefier than those washers 8) ...



Is the weight of the ladder the only thing holds it in place?...w/someones weight on it, No worries, but I can see some rockin' and rollin' action possibly causein' that puppy to jump off the mounts ... any way to thru-pin it or put a saftey strap ... hate to see such a nice ladder lost to deep water :o ...

[tsubaki]

When I first got it almost 30 vears ago, the first thing daddy said is to tie a rope to it the second you use it.
The same still applies, a lanyard will be attached to it in order to go to the cleat.
This is the only one I've ever seen like it, may be good reason. It will be easy to lose it, this is probably why they weren't mass produced.

[tsubaki]

Got most of the electronics wired but figured I’d show you the gas gauge set up with two tanks and one gauge.
Needed one pull switch that had basically an off, on, on (left & right tanks).
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture152.jpg
A regular 3 terminal navigation switch won’t work. This 4 terminal did fine.
Don’t depend on the schematic being correct, in my case the bow lights and battery were reversed.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture153.jpg
The gauge had terminals for “S” sending unit, “G” ground and “I” ignition or hot and a wire to the dash light bulb.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture154.jpg
The “I” terminal is fed from the hot feeding the navigation lights switch.
The “G” terminal goes to the fuse panel ground and the two sending units frame ground.
The “S” terminal goes to the three position switch to the common or in this case labeled “battery”.
The other two terminals on the switch go to the sending units in this case “running lights” for the left tank and “anchor lights“ for the right tank.
The remaining terminal “bow lights” is vacant.
I connected the gauge bulb to the dash light switch but I didn’t connect the navigation lights in the traditional sense by the first position being anchor and the second position being all. What I did was the first position would be all exterior navigation lights and the second position would include the dash lights. This way if the dash lights caused night blindness I could simply exclude them at night. I have a bad habit running at night without lights on so as to be able to see the water.

[bradford]

Purty cool there tsubaki, how close ya getting to splashing her? We might have to meet up at beach hammock and have a shindig! ;D ;D

[tsubaki]

At some point I have to just cut it off and put it in the water.
I can't help myself, I keep changing and replacing stuff but I've almost run out of things to do.
When I throw the motor on (soon) that probably will the deciding factor.
HOWS THAT FOR A NON ANSWER. Ought to run for governer ;D ;D

[bradford]

I'd vote for ya! ;D

[tsubaki]

Liquor sales on Sunday would be my first ammendment.
Oh and find a flag to use and stick to it.
What the hell does it look like this week? ;D ;D ;D

[bradford]

The one at my house looks just like the old ones! ;) ;)

[Pipe_Dream]

Oh, you Georgia boys. . . ::)



;)

[tsubaki]

Seems now I’m running around indiscriminate replacing and fixing things with no rhyme or reason. At least it’s progress, however to the casual observer (my wife, cousin, neighbor, etc) it looks like only beer drinking has been going on.
Here’s some more crap done:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture170.jpg
Removed the seats and gotta decide what to put back.
The floor at the forward port seat location is soft, didn’t notice thru the whole project.
I’m not about to get into replacing the floor this year, so some “southern repairs” will go on at this time, don’t know what yet. Probably a sheet of ¼ inch aluminum over the floor and bolt the seats to it for now. http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture165.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture168.jpg

Mounted the water separator and battery switch to the stern lift eyes bolts beneath the rod holders. But got concerned about water dripping on them so I attached a sleeve of discharge hose to the rod holder to make the water go past them
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture166.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture167.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture169.jpg

[tsubaki]

Keep in mind there were two other boat projects going on at the same time, an Ashcraft ripoff (complete) and a Hydra Sport bass boat that now needs a new steering cable. This boat was bought with the intent for the 150hp motor only and to junk it afterwards, however Daddy decided to use it as a bream boat and stuck a 75hp on it. The booger runs 46mph as is, God only knows how fast it ran with the 150hp on it!!
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture177.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture179.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture180.jpg
The Water Bug was gutted rear of the seats of compartments and made into a more useable boat. It’s kept in the water, now ready to go!

[tsubaki]

Figured might as well mount the motor, now I got to connect it all.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture173.jpg

[tsubaki]

And as if I ain’t got enough to do.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture172.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture171.jpg
All I’m going to do is cut it off, shorten it a little and weld it back together. Fricken termites >:(

[bradford]

Uh oh! He's got the motor mounted, thats a BIG step in the right direction. Everything else is just little stuff! ;D ;D ;D

[reelapeelin]

Uh oh! He's got the motor mounted, thats a BIG step in the right direction. Everything else is just little stuff! ;D ;D ;D


Dass RIGHT!! ;D ... tsubaki, yer "V" looking REEL good inside ... nice work w/the S'board ... doesn't look too far away from SPLASH-TIME 8) ...

Noticed you put your VHF on same level as mine ... I like mine there, but want to "angle" it up to read display better...is your display readable from where yer arse is gonna be? ...

[C YENSEN]

looking good man, also congrats on the GOD status ;)

[tsubaki]

THANKS CY.
And Reel, I ain't got a clue how the electronics are going to present themselves to me. I just been playing it by ear and listening to ya'll on what you have seen and done.

[bradford]

Got that motor rigged yet? 8)

[tsubaki]

Everything except the bubble and another hole for the ignition cable.
It will be too much crap comming out of one backwash hole so I had to have 3.

[macojoe]

got to love starboard!! she is looking good!! Heck if my boat sunk last week I have to salvage it just to get the starboard!! ;)

[reelapeelin]

THANKS CY.
And Reel, I ain't got a clue how the electronics are going to present themselves to me. I just been playing it by ear and listening to ya'll on what you have seen and done.



The reason I mentioned it, cause now would be easiest time to change it (angle it up) B4 everything else goes in...on the other hand, yours may not need it ;) ...

[tsubaki]

Finally mounted the gas tanks, put 6 gallons in each, primed the water separator, installed the bubble and connected the fuel line to the motor.
The ignition cable still needs connecting because the “Sunday Boaters Shops” didn’t have a 3” backsplash boot in stock, so today I’ll go to 2 others that usually have real boat stuff on hand and complete that.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture182.jpg
Cranked the motor up and everything works except the tach. We installed a new one but don’t remember if it worked on the other boat. We used the same control box and wires, so the possibility does exist that it never worked. I’ll have to start tracing wires next.
The prior owner apparently over tightened the ignition switch. When I first started the engine the switch seemed loose and I do remember having to turn it to the “run” position because it wouldn’t spring back from “start”. Well the nut and threads fell off when I removed the key now I see tumblers and a keyhole; disassembly of the control box is next. At least I can trace the tach wires easier.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture183.jpg
Did get the winch stand repaired, still got to do the lights on the trailer.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture184.jpg

[tsubaki]

Well, found the problem with the tach.
The last "mechanic" that worked on the motor stuck the ring terminal from the rectifier/regulator to the grounding location instead of the solenoid stud.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture186.jpg
I would have never thought anything about it till I showed Daddy the route the wires were run. Quickly he said "that eyelet looks too big for that stud".
Sure nuff after going thru every wireing diagram with no help for termination, the BRP parts number for that said "ring terminal,solenoid".

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture188.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture187.jpg

[tsubaki]

If ya'll ever run out of problems with a boat, please let me unload some of mine.
Apparently I got more than my share.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture189.jpg
What is that, that is the port gas tank leaking.
Well, I'll pull it out (again) and see if it is salvageable.
Didn't leak when full of water (oh asskick), gas is thinner than water. :P

[bradford]

Hopefully it's just a loose fitting.

[tsubaki]

I'm to the point now, all I want to do is throw it in the water and see how it performes.
Fixed the leak in the tank by drilling a 5/32" hole and putting this stuff on it.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture190.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture191.jpg
I do remember useing something like it years ago and had great results.
Well at least it will prolong having to buy saddle tanks maybe for this year.

[tsubaki]

Did get the batteries mounted, bilge pump in (MJ) and the key switch fixed.
Still got to decide on the seating, but for now I think I'm almost out of excuses.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture194.jpg
(thread for battery/bilge guard)
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?t=4910&highlight=battery%2Fbilge+guard
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture195.jpg
(thread to seats installed)
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?t=4901&highlight=inspection+hatches

[Blue_Runner]

Tsub, you are doing a great job and getting really close. Nice pics and documentary!

I do have one question though and excuse my ignorance if you've already said the reason...but I was wondering why you went with the jackplate? Looks like a 20" motor and 20" transom so unless you just want to be able to get into skinnier water I don't understand the need for the jackplate? Is it manual or hydraulic?

The motor looks about 7 or 8 inches too high in this pic:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture173.jpg
Not trying to bust your stones or anything like that, just wondering. I'm sure you know what you are doing :D

Again, great job so far!

Blue

[randlemanboater2]

I think you are right BR :o.

Hey BAKI,

I have been trying to decide on seatting since I got my V. I bought some folding deck chairs, the nice padded ones, as a temporary thing but they are working so well for me that I think they will be my permenant system.

You can put in several of em for riding and skiing and take em out for fishing. If the sun happens to move in the sky while you are out you can slide your chair under the shade, and they were cheeper than anything else I could find. I got mine @ Basspro, they were on sale for $89.

I am still in search of a nice helm seat to replace the original one that is too narrow for my butt.

Just some thoughts.

[tsubaki]

It's a hydraulic.
The position now is the highest it will go, which will be about 4" deeper than it needs to be while barely moveing, say trolling or shallow water.
Something interesting about the boat, when Daddy owned it he was telling me he could bump across bars to get into inlets around here. The bow would be barely deeper than the motors foot and just barely moveing he could literally bump across the bar to get into the inlets and fish.
At the lowest position it's about 1 1/4" above the bottom of the boat, which is too deep. So I seem to have a lot of room for error.
The setback is about 5" so it needs to be about 2" above the bottom or more.
A test run will let me know.
Also look at the picture if I let it down the prop will be in the dirt.
I'm most likely not going to have the same loads in the boat at any given time of the year. In the summer it might be light but in the fall & winter it will be loaded to capacity going on hunting trips, staying on islands for almost a week at the time.

[Blue_Runner]

Also look at the picture if I let it down the prop will be in the dirt.
Noticed that ;)

Also, I do think that would be cool to be able to raise it up when in shallow water or getting over a bar :D

My uncle was a great flounder fisherman on the outer banks of NC. He used to get a running start and skid over the bars to get to his favorite spots.

Now hurry up and get that boat wet so we can see how that jackplate does. Looking gooooood!

[bradford]

Go ahead and throw a cooler and some plastic lawn chairs in her and get on the water! ;D ;D

[tsubaki]

WHAT'S THIS, WHAT'S THIS!!
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture196.jpg

[tsubaki]

The boat is missing from the perch that it has been on for well over 3 years (don't know when the last owner used it).
It didn't go without some fight, I pulled several things in my right leg between the knee and ankle. Hope it's a lot better in the morning for the test run.
Got it in about an hour ago at the ramp at the end of the street. We had an 8 foot tide tonight. In the morning it's only supposed to be 6.8, therefore the reason for rushing it.

[tsubaki]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture197.jpg
good night sleep tight :D

[tsubaki]

Wasn***8217;t physically able to try the boat last night (walking around like a pegleg pirate) so after letting it sit overnight at the dock found it this morning listing to one side slightly. Well after crawling into the boat and checking for rainwater and then saltwater with no results, I happened to turn on the fuel gauge to find the port tank had been drained. First response was ***8220;dam didn***8217;t take long for thieves to get the gas***8221;. Now I only filled each tank half way to test them. Turned on the other tank and it was reading ***8220;FULL***8221;. ***8220;What the hell***8221; ??? What happened was at low tide the boat leaned on the side and siphoned the gas from one tank to the other. Guess I***8217;ll need to reinstall the shutoff valves. :P

(thread correcting fuel delivery problem)
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?t=4908&highlight=fuel+delivery

Boat ran fine, after 15 or 20 minutes finally started opening it up a little but just as I pushed to full throttle the horn came on. So I backed off a little and it quieted down, gave it more throttle and it started again. It***8217;s pumping water, not steaming or giving any indication of overheating, except the horn. This went on for another 15 or 20 minutes till it stayed on constantly. So I slowly headed back to the dock. No, I didn***8217;t take any tools or even a paddle, just a cell phone. After letting it sit for about 2 hours, I went back and turned the switch on and immediately the horn came and stayed on. Found the offending sensor, disconnected it and all seems fine. More to add to the repair list.

(thread to horn/sensor)
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/communit...ead.php?t=7633 (http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?t=7633)

You know a ***8220;test run***8221;, ***8220;shakedown***8221; or ***8220;splashdown***8221; is supposed to be about finding the bugs in the system, not about finding all the bugs in the world. :-X

Did do more work on the trailer while the boat was off it.
Greased the rollers, changed the winch.

(also thread to guide on trailer bunks)
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?t=4892&highlight=guide+on+bunks
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture198.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture200.jpg
Probably gonna let this thread end and start offending the ***8220;Repairs ***8220; and ***8220;Modifications***8221; sections. That***8217;s where most of this belongs.

Gonna pull it back on the trailer tonight at high tide and resume operations. ;)

[steplift20]

whats under the aluminum cap that covers the transom? I hope its fiber glass and you cut off the top to expose the wood, its not open is it/i hope not

[tsubaki]

whats under the aluminum cap that covers the transom? I hope its fiber glass and you cut off the top to expose the wood, its not open is it/i hope not
I didn't even bother putting a cap back on and the whole assend is filled with fiberglass, no wood at all.

[randlemanboater]

I clicked on the first page of this thread and thought I was in a time warp!!!!!

Its going on longer that the original "WET".