Help MJ find his next boat

[macojoe]

What do we know about Angler Boats??

Boats and Personal Watercraft
1992 ANGLER BOAT CORP
ANGLER BOAT CORP
22 WALK AROUND
Outboard Boats


Length: 22'
Model Name/Description: 22 WALK AROUND
Boat Type: Outboard Boats
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Beam: 8' 6"
Engine: N/A
Net Weight: 2900

The one I am looking at is

1992 Angler 22WA Cuddy with a 1990 200hp Johnson

I can go for a ride in it in the morning, So what do we think??

[macojoe]

I also went to look at a 23 Formula today with a I/O It was still Shirnk wraped!!
He said he no want to uncover unless some one really wanted it, because it cost $150 to recover. He wants $5500

I havbe to call him next week to uncover?

[tsubaki]

All POS. *
Just go Albermarle.
Hell they start at 24 foot and go as high as the Kennedy's can afford! ;D ;D
As a matter a fact, get out of my website talking such trash.

[Airslot]

MJ, I can see the Formula, but you'd be a fool to go from the V to a 22 Angler?

[lumberslinger178]

do they have there own website forum :-/ :-/

[macojoe]

Thanks guys!!

Well I am still shoping! I saw this boat and it sounded good, so thought I would ck it out.
But if they suck that bad then I guess I will pass!

The Formula is still a Option right now so lets see what happens!

There is always the Pursuit I was thinking about, But he has not answered my last email.

[reelapeelin]

If yer considerin' Angler, ya might as well be lookin' at Bayliners, too ;) ... the Angler dealer down here...if yer foolish enough to walk in and ask about one on his lot, his response is, "Go out and get me the HID offn' the one ya like, brang it back in here and I'll tell ya how much it'll cost ya."

[Mulv80]

MJ, my brother has a 1989 22' Angler with a 225 Merc on it. 3 guys with gear and full fuel she tops out about 44 mph. The boat is built well for an entry level boat. It performs great in choppy water, it has alot to do with the position of the helm. The helm is set back further in the boat providing for a softer ride but not compromising deck space. It is truly a walkaround, you can actually sit on the front or stand and cast. Theres alot of room on the front of the boat and the cabin is big for a 22 footer without taking up too much deck space. The downside to the boat is limited fuel capacity 65 gallons. All in all I think angler makes a good boat, I know alot of the older ones are still around.

[Bygracealone]

Here ya' go MJ.

1987 Wellcraft 23 Coastal in Ohio.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Wellcraft-23-Coastal_W0QQitemZ260151852637QQihZ016QQcategoryZ63 726QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[THEFERMANATOR]

I had a 78 ANGLER 19' bay boat, P.O.S.!!!!!, ended up having the hull split 3 feet down the middle. But keep in mind the age of it as well though. I have never heard anything good about em down here though.

[Bygracealone]

Here's an 86 250 in PA that may be what you're looking for...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WELLCRAFT-250-SPORTSMAN-25-5-7-LITRE-TRAILER_W0QQitemZ170141717729QQihZ007QQcategoryZ31 271QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[macojoe]

Thanks everyone!! all opions are welcome!! I did not go look at the Angler today I called it off after hearing all the bad reviews, here and else were!!

But then I get a good review from Mulv and a good friend?? I might go Monday to look?? But with a 17* Deadrise I think its not what I am looking for?

I like the first boat BGA posted in OH the other has the stepp deck and i nom its a good boat as I fished on one for years with a friend, But that step up sucks and makes for a small deck area.

Keep them coming guys! Only 4 days left on ebay and 14 people watching of coarse I think 13 are V20 people?? ;)

[chesapeake724]

Grady?!
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/boa/404826667.html

8)

Edit - I have no knowledge nor have I seen the boat.

[reelapeelin]

You need one of the 248 Offshore hulls w/a full transom...that'd be THE boat for ya!! 8)

[Mulv80]

MJ, Don't let that 17 degree deadrise scare you. They have a sharp entry that really cuts through the chop. We use my brothers boat in the Delaware Bay which I think is probably similar to the type of water you run in. It always has an afternoon chop, while my V slaps me to death my brothers Angler knocks down the chop with ease. It sounds like I'm a paid endorser of Angler, but seriously the boat rides great, you won't be disappointed in the ride.

[willy]

Angler has been around awhile and they have made some dramatic iprovements the last five or six years and they are pretty well built now adays.
That second one BGA posted in PA looks very nice, if the engine is in nice shape that would be a sweet boat, and I rather like the step up due to water on the deck point of view but understand the smaller fishing area.
You sure you don't want to look at a CC MJ. plenty of fishing room and with the addition of some wing canvass for cooler weather could be nice.

[THEFERMANATOR]

ROAD TRIP! ;D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Formula-restored-classic-not-seacraft-or-mako_W0QQitemZ230164338168QQihZ013QQcategoryZ63726 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/b1/65/8cac_12.JPG

[Shawsee]

ROAD TRIP! ;D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Formula-restored-classic-not-seacraft-or-mako_W0QQitemZ230164338168QQihZ013QQcategoryZ63726 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/b1/65/8cac_12.JPG


Wow I like the looks of this gem. :o

[macojoe]

I love it therm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now do we have anyone in that area to check it out??

Thats perfect and i have the cash right now for what it is, but sure it wil get higher!!!!! :(

[THEFERMANATOR]

I believe KAJUN is close by to it, aint he?

[macojoe]

O baby!!

Now can we relay it up the coast?? ;)

[macojoe]

He is 103 miles away 2 hrs? :-/

I have a friend that lives about the same distance but knows nothing about boats! :-/

[Franco]

At leadt 6 hours away from me, how abour Seacrets

[harbour]

Damm nice boat!!!!!!!

[macojoe]

I just called my friend and he leaves on a plane tomorrow to NY till next saturday :'(

That will be to late, But on the good side he lives in Gulfport not far from Biloxi Ms, so if I win I can have the guy go there wuith it and he will store it till I can get there to get it!!

That will take some of the perssure off!

[willy]

That is sweet, price sounds like it is going to be great.
How do they ride and are they wet, looks like a speed boat type of hull, whats the deadrise on them. It looks fast that is for sure.

Also MJ it has two bildge pumps may not be good for you ;D

[THEFERMANATOR]

That is sweet, price sounds like it is going to be great.
How do they ride and are they wet, looks like a speed boat type of hull, whats the deadrise on them. It looks fast that is for sure.

Also MJ it has two bildge pumps may not be good for you ;D
I believe FORMULA was built on similar molds as to the BERTRAM 20 MOPPIE, THEY HAVE DEADRISE!!!!(28 degrees!!!!). It definately looks fast, nice sharp entry to it too. WILLY may be right though MJ, 2 bilge pumps could be bad for you. If only I had the money, it could be just right for me. Only about 6 hour drive for me.

[macojoe]

Formula has 24.5* deadrise, I have fished one of them many times in the past, but it was a CC

So I know just what it is and thats wht I want!Now if it doesn't go to high and I sell my boat fast it will be mine!!

Man there is alot of if's there :-/

I have been looking at the same boat here thatys not even 1/2 that clean and it is a I/0 for $5500 but I am sure I can get him to come down a bit.

[willy]

Well good luck, if you decide to go for this one let me know, I may have to take a road trip with ya, none of your farts though without warning at least, CB filled me in ::)

[THEFERMANATOR]

Well after some careful research, I found out that the FORMULA 233 was in fact designed by Jim Wynne and Walt Walters. Jim Wynne based his designs off of the origanal Ray Hunt deep vee design sporting 24 degrees of deadrise, so she is based off of similar lines to the BERTRAM 25/31. The 233 FORMULA was the first hull that FORMULA boats designed under it's founder Don Aronow. Don Aronow later founded DONZI, and then MAGNUM and finally CIGARETTE, all of which were origanally founded off of the 233 FORMULA's design. So that FORMULA has quite the performance history to it, and a VERY sea-keeping design as well(everybody here has heard of BERTRAM and there fame I believe).

Learn somethin new everyday, who knew the internet was good for more than porn and forums ;D.

If you could extend your budget, here's 2 close to you.
http://www.boats.com/listing/boat_details.jsp?searchid=1&searchtype=buy&rev_srh =%2Flisting%2Fcache%2Fadvanced_search.jsp%3Fsearch type%3Dbuy%26fromYear%3D1960%26uom%3D126%26sm%3D3% 26duom%3D126%26wuom%3D126%26toYear%3D1985%26luom%3 D126%26toLength%3D25%26currencyid%3D100%26ps%3D100 %26fromLength%3D20%26sfm%3Dfalse%26ic%3Dtrue%26man %3DFORMULA%26slim%3Dquick%26psdistance%3D500%26ps% 3D100%26clk_srcrvs_nav&back=session&srh_next=true& entityid=17044471&srh_prev=true

http://www.boats.com/listing/boat_details.jsp?searchid=1&searchtype=buy&rev_srh =%2Flisting%2Fcache%2Fadvanced_search.jsp%3Fsearch type%3Dbuy%26fromYear%3D1960%26uom%3D126%26sm%3D3% 26duom%3D126%26wuom%3D126%26toYear%3D1985%26luom%3 D126%26toLength%3D25%26currencyid%3D100%26ps%3D100 %26fromLength%3D20%26sfm%3Dfalse%26ic%3Dtrue%26man %3DFORMULA%26slim%3Dquick%26psdistance%3D500%26ps% 3D100%26clk_srcrvs_nav&back=session&srh_next=true& entityid=15220031&srh_prev=true

But if you can't, maybe you could consider this one.
http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/boa/402822858.html
Or this one.
http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/boa/404855390.html

[macojoe]

Thanks Therm!!

I saw 2nd one of them boston ones already but have not contacted the guy.

1st one sounds great that ity has all new decks and stringers which are one problem these seem to have.

One in FL is set up nice and is a OB already, I hate i/o just never had good luck with them, but hey for the right price I will take one and convert later?

I am so confused!! What I need to do is get rid of mine so I am ready to go!!

Thanks guys!!

[msbhammer]

It wont sell with that Bracket on. Yank it off !! ;D

[Bygracealone]

That second one that Ferm posted from the Boston Craigslist says that the anchor is included. What a deal! ::)

What is it with people that makes them think they can sell their boats without the anchor? I've bought two boats that didn't come with anchors... Strange.

[Bygracealone]

How about a 25 foot Chris Craft Dually?

There's one in Baltimore for under $5k, but doesn't seem to come with a trailer. Looks clean though!

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/boa/401343141.html

[macojoe]

Looks nice, But twin I/O's :o No thank you!!

But Thanks!

[macojoe]

Responce from the FL Formula auction over 6 days


Yes I can tow it to long beach but we have to through in an extra $45 for gas. ( Funny, he will tow to Biloxi Ms for free. But wants $45 more to go the 18 miles to Long beach??) THe decks are rock solid I had the center deck replaced with marine grade wood that had been treated with west system two part epoxy so it will last longer than the rest of the boat. Not one soft spot on the entire boat. I do not have the compression number from the motors in the last 100 hours but I do from when I bought the motor a year ago and will gladly look those up for you if you would like. I do have all of the service records from the dealer for that motor since it was new. The bracket was on there when I purchased the boat it had an old evinrude that started to give me problems so I got rid of the motor and put the new one on that is what sparked the restoration. If yoyu have any further questions please feel free to call me

[macojoe]

Responce from Wellcraft in MI. auction ove 20 hours

yes the trailer is going with the boat it is an alluminum trailer that I have used to take the boat back and forth to Florida. The boat doesn't have soft spots and yes it has a step up to the forward walk around deck. I will transport it to most places for a dollar a mile.

So this would cost me like $850 if he towed it to me.

[THEFERMANATOR]

You know MJ, you may have swayed my decision on what boat I want to get in the near future. There are quite a few of these 23' FORMULAS down here that need engine work for not alot of money. She definately has nice lines to her, and is definately built off of the legendary RAY HUNT deep-vee design.

[Bygracealone]

I will transport it to most places for a dollar a mile.

So this would cost me like $850 if he towed it to me.




That's actually a pretty reasonable fee for transport, especially given the price of gas...

[macojoe]

I am all for that Formula!! I also found a few here and I am supose to go look at one Monday up boston way and he will take me for a sea trial.

I had seen this one before and put on the back burner, but then Therm brought it back up so I called the guy, He says all is solid and runs great!

I guess we will see on Monday? But I have to still sell mine :'(

http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/boa/404855390.html

[THEFERMANATOR]

If the hull is sound, you can get SKOOLS to come off of one of his 225's and get you a bracket and repower later on for the price he is asking.

[willy]

MJ sounds good but it looks to me like it is sitting low in the arse end, what do you think ???

[charlie_the_tuna]

i got the quick fix for a low ***, willy. . . . give that b i t c h * some throttle.

[willy]

That sounds rather sexual my friend, I like it ::)

[charlie_the_tuna]

get in line sister.

[macojoe]

Therm, I have a bracket already for it!! Don't tell hammer I have been sitting on a extra! ;)

Willy I have seen a few of them Formulas and they all sit that way?? But I will be sure to ck it out good!!

I am going to change the day to wed cause I have to go to boston any way wensday and I forgot about it.

Charlie http://syncboard.com/albums/album02/shutup.gif

[charlie_the_tuna]

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NO.

[shore-power]

I have 2 friends I fish with that both own F233 Formula's. The are a deep v boat that rides well. Trim tabs are a MUST for these boats as they allow you to make the most of that 24 degree dead rise. Both of my friends boats have SBC powered inboards and the boats are fast and very able. Excellent fishing boats. Dare I say it here? but IMHO the Formula is a big step up in ride and sea worthyness from the V-20. Ad trim tabs and a hard top & curtains to the formula's and you can fish with just about anyone in all but the worst kind of weather. Very similar in performance to the 24 Albemarle's. That one on Ebay looks really nice too!

Let the hate mail begin... :P

[macojoe]

No hate here!! I have know it for a lonmg time just could never afford it before!

Thanks for your input!

[willy]

MJ where are the scuppers in those boats, don't see any in the pics, is it that slot in the middle back that drains to the bildge ??? Is that it?

[phatdaddy]

MJ, on the fl formula, I'm like kajun, 100 miles away. but jasonpcola is in pensacola,i think. maybe he could do a visual for you.. i also notice the boat has an Al reg. make sure of a clean title.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Very similar in performance to the 24 Albemarle's. *
I would hope the performance is similiar. The FORMULA 233's mold was used as the foundation for the first CONTENDER 25, SEEVEE 25, ALBEMARLE 242, BLUEWATER 2350, ALMMAND 23, and the first DONZI's. After I did a little research, turns out the 233's hull was the foundation for countless other boats.

[macojoe]

I have another emai into him asking a few more ??

The scuppers werem out the side on my buddys Formula?

[macojoe]

16 min for this one!! Looks like it is going to go for a great price!! 23 wellcraft!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3 AMT%3A12&viewitem=&item=260151852637

[THEFERMANATOR]

The price went up a bit right at the end on the 23 MJ. %5200 ain't horrible money, still a good buy for that price. I can't believe that the 248 in south FLORIDA ended for $3500.

[macojoe]

yep I saw that!! *Gee I hope my new boat don';t fly that high! *:o

Of coarse if I no sell soon I won't be able to buy any way *:'(

any one want to give me a loan?? I will give you the title to the V for it??

I will up your posting numbers! *;)

Pretty Please! ;D

[willy]

MJ I'll give you a buck 2.50 ;D

[macojoe]

Thats a start willy!! I will be waiting! ;)

Good new is that new member jasoncooperpcola will go look at the boat for me, take pic';s and email them also, he lives in the same town!!

I am waiting to hear from him whats a good time and day I will then call the guy to set it up!

everyone please pray my boat sells this week!!

[THEFERMANATOR]

You know MJ, I could go get that FORMULA for ya and babysit it until you get your V gone ;D.

[macojoe]

I am sure you would!! Between you and hammer I get a used up boat with a missing bracket!


I spoke to the guy and he is hopingto get $9000+ he said he had a $13K reserve last year on it and it onmly got to $11.5
But he has a new boat now and has to move this one.

But this is a no reserve auction, so I guess if he gets less then $9K some one is going to get screwed??

Also I just had a guy xcome by and wants my boat, but he wants it in 1 or 2 weeks? I said first one here with Cash in hand gets it.

Comes out in the Want Ad on Tuesday and ebay ends Tue afternoon

[willy]

Good luck Wind Talker, I hope it sells for you, and don't forget about the road trip ;)

[macojoe]

We shall se?? If it gets above $7000 I am sh-t out of luck!

[spareparts]

here's a 23 Scepter

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/2/9/89204129.htm
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/3/4/89132534.htm



and here's an early 22, not many of them made, has more flae than the other ones
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/6/8/88950668.htm

[macojoe]

Wow Spare that 2nd one is awsome!!!!!!!!!!!! To bad it has no motor :(
I am going to give them a call today! Thanksd!


I had a guy that wants to come look at my boat off ebay, he wants to come this week some time?

Ebay is over in 9 hours with him being the only one to call on it, no other activty?? But 19 watching.
So I belive it will not sell today? >:(

In the mean time I have the want advertiser come out today in print and on line. But the shortin my add and left out stuff >:(

WELLCRAFT V20, 1975
I/O conversion to a 175hp Evinrude. Full swim platform. Vy solid. Garmin 160 fish finder & 162 chart plotter w/Cape maps, bimini top, etc. (2) 20-gal saddlebag gas tanks w/spare 25-gal tank. SS prop. Incls 2004 Load Rite roller trlr. $5500; Call Joe. (W. Yarmouth) (cell) 508-360-0189

We shall see what happens from here?

[randlemanboater2]

Don't give up on ebay MJ, I bid on mine with less than 1 minute left, could be someone waitting til the last seconds.

[Bygracealone]

That's right MJ. Many people wait till the end to bid on items. Everybody wants to play their cards close, so that nobody knows what they're thinking or planning to do. The only problem with that approach is that sometimes reserves won't be met because not enough bidders bid to get it that high.

I don't mean to preach, but a Proverb that oftentimes gives me perspective on things like this says, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths (Proverbs 3:5-6)."

One more: Proverbs 16:9 A man's heart plans his way, but the LORD directs his steps.

There is comfort to be found in knowing that these things are not in our control. Do the best you can to sell your boat and if it's the Lord's will, it will certainly happen. If not, there's a reason for it and perhaps we'll never know the reason.

Worst case scenario is that you end up with your trusty V and you try to sell her again later. At least you have your boat and she's in good running order.

Hang in there buddy.

[macojoe]

Thanks Guys!

Want ad is out today and I will be in that for the next 2 weeks!

[THEFERMANATOR]

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/3/4/89132534.htm

You could get this one, and on your way home swing by SKOOLS place and talk him out of his 140's and be in business.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Here's a nice one right up your alley MJ, but he's a bit out of his mind on his price I think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63725&item=1801536 37746

http://i5.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/ag/be/2df1_1.JPG

[macojoe]

Thanks Therm!!

I am hooked on a Formula or Seacraft!! Thats all I am looking at now!

I love that one in Keylargo but man is that far away!!! I can't see me having enough time off work to go get it, and the price of shipping be $2K or better and I can find a motor for that!

That would break the bank and I have to wait a year or better before I could look for a motor. ???

well we will see what happens?

[THEFERMANATOR]

You know spareparts has a nice lookin 200 YAMAHA for sale ;).

[nipper]

Macojoe, I have a 1985 Formula 20'Sunsport I might be interested in selling. It currently has a 265 h.p. mercruiser that was used in salt water only once for about a week. It would make an awesome fishing boat with a bracket/outboard on it. Very high freeboard. Very solid boat. It has a huge cabin for a 20' boat. It sits on a 1985 Shorelander trailer. Boat is in great shape with exception of interior. Any interest?

[macojoe]

Sounds great nipper!

But they are small compared to are V20's and I need room and deep water boat!

I commercial fish and would like to be able to go offshore in comfort again!

Thanks any way!

Therm 200 ponys!! Speak to me!!@

[macojoe]

Boat did not sell on Ebay so now we turn tothe want ad that came out today

[spareparts]

knowing your search is down to Formula's and SeaCrafts should make it easier to find, keep looking. Me personally, after having fished both boats, I prefer the SeaCraft, especially in an outboard configuration. remember when you're searching for Sea Crafts, type it in both ways" SeaCraft, & Sea Craft.

BTW, did you see the 25 Whitewater on Classic Seacraft, interesting boat.

[THEFERMANATOR]

The 25 WHITEWATER is also a FORMULA 233 copy hull. Sale pending as of 8-26 though.

http://www.classicseacraft.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=49200&page=0&view=collaps ed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

[macojoe]

Thanks guys!!

Not to much for sale on that site? Guess cause $25 is needed to do so.

Well I would love to go get that FL boat in Key's and stop by skools or spares and grab at least a 200HP !!


But I can't see how I could do it?? Shipping is the only way and thats $$$

But keep them coming!

I am going to look at that one in Arlington that Therm posted tomorrow. If I like I will go back this weekend for sea trial and hopefully find the money some were??

I have 3K and the guy wants $4400 B/O so you know $4K is going to be easy to get, But I am short $1K

Now there is away to get around this, I habve a friend that wants to buy my trailer for $1K and give me his old.

His trailer is road worthy and he uses every week to tow his 21 Contender, it needs a fender and maybe a few rollers but its fine!

So my thought is sell him the trailer and get the old one, sell my boat for $4K I still make out with the $5K I wanted and I can buy this boat this weekend and wait awhile for mine to sell.

How does that sound guys?? Of coarse thats if I like this boat.

[Sean]

The plan sounds good, except for the part of selling your boat for only $4,000.00 :o :o If you can sit on it for a wile, I still would not lower the price of yours, Unless oyu are selling it to me ;D(trust me, I have thought about it ;))
Good luck!!

[macojoe]

Thanks Sean, But I have it advertised wqith the new trailer :o

So if i do this deal people are going to want to know what happened?? I have to find a good story for that?

I want $5K thats a good deal! so how I get it is no matter, so is I swap trailers and they are not to mad if I get $4k I will be happy!

My wife has no idea that I have cash on hand and unless I sell my boat I have to keep the new boat hidden at a friends till I swell mine :'(

Another good reason for the cheaper price cause I like tro fisah the fall run, so I have to get rid of it!!

Buy it wil ya!! $4K ;)

[C YENSEN]

sounds a little sneaky to me hiding things from the wife and all :-/ ;D

but you gotta do what you gotta do.......

I just wish you would teach the rest of us how to hide $3000 from our wives ::)

[Airslot]

Hiding it is the easy part ;D Accumulating an extra 3k under the radar is where the art lies ;D

[macojoe]

Ok I went and looked at the boat, Needed huge amount of cosmetic, but thats OK, Then I looked at the motor, could have been cleaner, But I have seen worse, and all looked well.

Then I started punching the stringers, not hard and all in the engine well were solid.

NOW I ck the gauges and all the switches and they all worked even the wipers!

Got in the cuddy looked OK, lifted the cushions and there are wood hatches open the pass side first and hit the stringers, sounded little hollow?
Went to the drivers side went to punch the stringer and my hand went right thur!@! No wood left except some rotted splinters!

Guy was trying to hook up water and I said forget it, he said why, I said the stringers are roted, he came up and looked we shook hands and as I was leaving he looked like he was about to cry!!

Feel Bad I was the one to tell him!!


So the search goes on!!

[Pipe_Dream]

Wow, MJ -- good thing you found out before you made a bad decision.

Poor guy . . . :'(

[axespino]

Have you tried budgetboats.net. They had several walkaround and cuddy cabins in there for a decent price. I know you don't like I/O's but they had some good prices.

[macojoe]

Thanks I will give them a try!!

Yes I hate I/O but for the right boat I will get run till it dies and convert! ;)

[macojoe]

I have different boat to look at here maybe tomorrow and there is a sweet Mako in NY I like for someone to look at for me?

as much as I like the Formula & Seacraft they are hard to find here not all rotted out!! and the rest are way to far to find out.

So I am changing a little here now?? The 23 w/a Mako I seen in NY looks great but no motor, but in my price range!

Then there is a 23 W/A Sea OX here with bracket and Evinrude that looks good, I am going to try to go look tomorrow?? I waiting for the guy to call.

[phester]

MJ, where in N.Y. ?

[macojoe]

Bayville, I think thats LI??

[Airslot]

MJ....slow down and focus. While the 23 W/A Sea Ox is a tank, it will beat you to death. I thought you were looking for a boat that would ride well? Some of the directions you have contemplated seem close to backward? You don't wanna end up with a boat that rides no better than the V and costs twice as much to run?

[macojoe]

Just call me Ricochet Rabbit!

[spareparts]

one thing to keep in mind about the SeaCrafts, is the stringers are all glass, yeah most of the transoms are rotted out, but you have a good foundation to work with, with no unforseen hull issues once you start cutting

[macojoe]

I don't want to start cutting!!

I have been fixing one boat or another for 15 years!! Just want to fish now (I know you no what I mean)

Just need solid boat and save for solid motor!

[spareparts]

i have the same wants, it just never works out that way

[axespino]

Did you find anything on budget boats. They had a 23' Wellcraft on there.

[THEFERMANATOR]

The SEACRAFTS don't have as many rot issues, but they do suffer from the same affliction as the old sterndrive 25 BERTRAMS. The stringers are held in by tabs that over time tend to delaminate and seperate from the hull. There are quite a few SEACRAFTS out there with cracked hulls at the lifting strakes where the stringers broke loose. It isn't a huge problem, but has been an issue. What year MAKO you lookin at MJ? There are quite a few different MAKO deigns out there. One thing I can tell you is the MAKO 251, 254, 201 and a few 231's were used down here by the FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISION, and they ran them HARD! They held up so well that they extended the service life of them out to 12 years I believe it was. There is still quite a few 201's and 254's in service today down here as well. Although I haven't seen any of the TRACKER built hulls in service down here(does this say anything to you ;)).

[macojoe]

1989 Mako 23 W/A OB , set up for Merc, but motor blown.


I am going to look at a 1984 Sea OX 23 W/A Bracket with 225 Evinrude That has been rebuilt in two stages, lower unit one year top end the next, says I can do my own compression test!!
But one problem, has a 113 gal gas tank that does not leak but he has problem getting gas out of it??

I going in the morning.

[axespino]

Joe there is a 1984 238 Mako on budget boats that's a cuddy with a walk around cabin no motor for $3000.00 and looks pretty good.

[macojoe]

Thanks AXE!! I was on there earlier and some how missed it??

There is a few good looking deals on there??

They also have a 23 w/a Sea Ox like the one I am going to look at tomorrow.

If this Sea Ox Or the Mako I am looking at doesn't work I will look there!!

I am just tired of fixing all the time!! n Took 9 years to get the V to were it is and now I am selling? And looks like I will have to give it away!!

[axespino]

How far away are they from you?

[macojoe]

671 miles :'(

[spareparts]

I posted this one a while back, but this guy has had this boat up for sale for quite a while, he couldn't get any one interested with the new motor and outdrive, so now he split them apart. Yeah you would have to put a transom in it to accept a brackect, but figure he spent a ton of money fixing the rest of the boat up to accept that new engine and drive, the rest of the boat should be worth it

http://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/400672206.html

[spareparts]

Just found this one, ready for a motor

http://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/403979259.html

no price given, and I know where a good deal on a Yamaha 200 is sitting

[THEFERMANATOR]

Just found this one, ready for a motor

http://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/403979259.html

no price given, and I know where a good deal on a Yamaha 200 is sitting
That one there wouldn't be a step up from his V-20, that is one of the older low deadrise hulls with the low gunnels.

[TunaHead]

Before I fell in love with you guys... I mean V20's... I was looking at Shamrock's. *How do they hold up?

It's more than you want to spend MJ but here is one with the coveted pilothouse:
http://www.usedboats.com/powerboats/1989/20'-ft/shamrock/pilot-house/pilothouse-(power)/inboard/34224/1315580.htm

For some reason, I can't get the whole URL to come up as a working link. *It does work if you copy and paste the whole thing into the address bar.

[randlemanboater2]

A buddy of mine has a Shamrock 20, the sides are shorter than some Jon boats I've seen. And they have fiberglass fuel tanks (ie: don't work with ethanol).

But I love the Pilot House idea.

[spareparts]

how about a Grady?

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/8/4/88466784.htm

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/0/3/89897403.htm

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/1/0/89969710.htm

not sure if any of these would be better than the V, but I'm running short of ideas for your price range

[macojoe]

Thanks all I saw the Sea Ox today fell in love with it great boat!!

But the motor is worthless to me, I made a offer for boat and trailer, Lets see what comes of it??

[phester]

mj, I put in a call to the mako at the 516 # and the guy said the "salesman" I need to speak to was not in. I asked to be transferred to his voicemail and left a message for him. That's about as far as I got :-/

[chesapeake724]

Apologies if these have been posted already...

http://www.tidalfish.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=1001&cat=4

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/boa/411310803.html

http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108928

Don't know/haven't seen these boats in person or know the owners.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Found 2 more on FLEABAY, unfortunatley they aint the closest to ya.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/25-AQUASPORT-WALK-AROUND-CUDDY-BOAT-TWIN-150-MERCURY_W0QQitemZ220145601041QQihZ012QQcategoryZ31 271QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This one here looks to share similiar lines to the FORMULA and BERTRAMS. They're a FLORIDA built boat, regarded pretty well down here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/24-Cuddy-Cabin-Offshore-Fishing-Boat-Angler_W0QQitemZ140152018748QQihZ004QQcategoryZ637 26QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Skools_Dual]

here's what ya need to get.

http://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/411613752.html

[msbhammer]

SKOOL, thats my old boat. Me and ah....Fishbone were part owners. :o :P

[macojoe]

Thats a nice looking boat and the price is CHEAP!!

[msbhammer]

Readers take note. MJ's V is a good deal. I posted in a off topic thread a 76 V-20 that was listed for $4800. Thats with no bracket, pulpit or upgraded seating or starboard. I only hope MJ gets a reach around for the low price that he's asking for his V. ;)

[macojoe]

Its now $4500 or BO I want $4k now!!

Thats with a older trailer, I sold the new one seprate. But this one is very good also, just not as pretty!

[msbhammer]

Glad you raised teh price back up on it. You were killing Mulv's and I resale value. ;D

[Hammerhead]

here's what ya need to get.

http://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/411613752.html

WOW. Not a bad deal at all.

There's a '96 21' Trophy cuddy walk-around with a 200'rude locally for 12k.

Seems to be a buyers market on boats.

[macojoe]

Thanks HH but Look at MJ has a New???