Most dangerous time in modern history ?

[bgreene]

1. Putin and his threats to use nuc’s …….or

2. The Cuba Missile Crisis

Cuba had a “ threshold moment” when Russian ships were headed to Cuba and we had navy military blockade. So I’d say that crisis had greater immediate risk of nuclear war, BUT Putin may be less stable a leader and that’s a big risk .

[Destroyer]

1. Putin and his threats to use nuc’s …….or

2. The Cuba Missile Crisis

Cuba had a “ threshold moment” when Russian ships were headed to Cuba and we had navy military blockade. So I’d say that crisis had greater immediate risk of nuclear war, BUT Putin may be less stable a leader and that’s a big risk .

Yep, agreed. We were VERY close during the Cuban missile crisis. Much more than most people know. A Russian sub commander had actually pushed the button to launch an atomic warhead tipped torpedo at an American ship. Fortunately, that action required two senior officers to launch, and the other one refused. If that torpedo had been launched it would have been all out nuclear war and none of us would be having this conversation right now. If anyone survived they would be living in caves and hunting with clubs and spears.

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[bgreene]

And NOW we have the murderous dictator PUTIN who’s new approach seems to be a long duration war campaign to destroy Ukraine under his insane claim of “ killing nazis”

Under BIDEN, WE are supplying Ukraine with increasing amounts of weapons - which may give them parity on the battle field. The intent is to weaken Russia’s military while also sanctioning them to break their bank.

Putin continues to threaten using nuc’s which would create a potential devastating scenario.
I’m thinking our Command has increased OUR alert status, though wisely NOT publicizing .

[scook]

Whatever our command is doing, it is wise to not publicize it.

Do you recall my mentioning what damage Biden did by blabbing all kinds of information about what he ignorantly took off the table, even before Russia invaded? It’s a major problem is that Biden is NOT wise. Whether due to dementia, no real executive experience or he’s just a stupid arrogant person, he doesn’t have a clue that everything he says and does is a negotiation, and he is a very incompetent negotiator.

I wonder how many Ukrainian deaths he is personally responsible for due to his foot dragging getting weapons to their military?

You’re right about it being a very dangerous time, and it’s much more so because of our incompetent leadership.

[bgreene]

Whatever our command is doing, it is wise to not publicize it.

Do you recall my mentioning what damage Biden did by blabbing all kinds of information about what he ignorantly took off the table, even before Russia invaded? It’s a major problem is that Biden is NOT wise. Whether due to dementia, no real executive experience or he’s just a stupid arrogant person, he doesn’t have a clue that everything he says and does is a negotiation, and he is a very incompetent negotiator.

I wonder how many Ukrainian deaths he is personally responsible for due to his foot dragging getting weapons to their military?

You’re right about it being a very dangerous time, and it’s much more so because of our incompetent leadership.

Dangerous time because Putin’s a murderous lying dictator

[scook]

Dangerous, in large part, because he saw a very weak, incompetent American president he could bulldoze. He’s finally paying a price, but at the cost of massive Ukrainian death and destruction - a scenario which never happened under Trumps presidency, but has under both recent democrat presidencies.

Once again, you completely ignore the truth that’s pointed out to you.

[bgreene]

Dangerous, in large part, because he saw a very weak, incompetent American president he could bulldoze. He’s finally paying a price, but at the cost of massive Ukrainian death and destruction - a scenario which never happened under Trumps presidency, but has under both recent democrat presidencies.

Once again, you completely ignore the truth that’s pointed out to you.

The timing of Putin’s attack is under Bidens Presidency . That’s correct and nothing more - all else is your convenient deflections

[scook]

No, it’s actually my competent observation and analysis. You showed a tiny little glimmer of understanding the concept of negotiation, but it vaporized when applied to your favored, dangerously incompetent president.

Biden’s weakness and incompetence clearly permissioned Putin’s timing.

[bgreene]

No, it’s actually my competent observation and analysis. You showed a tiny little glimmer of understanding the concept of negotiation, but it vaporized when applied to your favored, dangerously incompetent president.

Biden’s weakness and incompetence clearly permissioned Putin’s timing.

Non stop insults and judgement from scookie .
Boring .

[scook]

Do you honestly think Putin didn’t consider the condition of American leadership along with other factors when deciding to attack Ukraine?

[bgreene]

Do you honestly think Putin didn’t consider the condition of American leadership along with other factors when deciding to attack Ukraine?

Putin “ the so called genius “ as trump called him …….is no genius because he made huge mistake by attacking Ukraine during BIDENS Presidency . President Joe BIDEN and many other countries of the free world are greatly assisting Ukraine - financially and militarily.

[scook]

You live in a dream world where facts and actual understanding of what’s going on and how things work aren’t part of your reality.

[bgreene]

You live in a dream world where facts and actual understanding of what’s going on and how things work aren’t part of your reality.

Well that’s your mean spirited biased opinion scook.
Reality IS - I don’t put credit in conspiracy theories over the FACTS that affect our country.

[scook]

Your Trump as Hitler conspiracy theory while completely ignoring the actual Hitler -Biden similarity on exactly one of your major conspiracy theory points proves your last statement to be 100% false. Do you ever step back and observe you absurd claims and behavior?

[bgreene]

Your Trump as Hitler conspiracy theory while completely ignoring the actual Hitler -Biden similarity on exactly one of your major conspiracy theory points proves your last statement to be 100% false. Do you ever step back and observe you absurd claims and behavior?

Joe Biden’s no where near close to following the Hitler-Trump game plan.
Trump has done that exactly as Hitler:
1 trump identified a so called enemy and keeps up the blame and lies
2 trump attached all that to nationalism to stir anger among those easily fooled
( insurrection participants as example who said -“ trump told us to do it “
3. Then seize power and eliminate all against him - he hasn’t been able to do that - yet .

[scook]

No, Biden is far out ahead of anything Trump might have desired to do (though I don't buy your opinions on the subject), singles out imaginary enemies, lies despicably about them. not using nationalism, but "social justice" as his justification and is the first in our history to come up with a "truth commission" to squash free speech, while spewing out disinformation.

[bgreene]

No, Biden is far out ahead of anything Trump might have desired to do (though I don't buy your opinions on the subject), singles out imaginary enemies, lies despicably about them. not using nationalism, but "social justice" as his justification and is the first in our history to come up with a "truth commission" to squash free speech, while spewing out disinformation.

Bla bla bla ……boring denials again and again .
Bidens fighting Putin / Trump kisses up to Putin

[scook]

Well, at least you’re changing the subject back to the thread title. Biden is responding to being dragged into providing a fair amount of weaponry (less than they need, but a fair amount).

Trump kissing up to Putin is such a blatant lie that no response is deserved.

You are defining boring and tedious with your nonsense.

[bgreene]

Well, at least you’re changing the subject back to the thread title. Biden is responding to being dragged into providing a fair amount of weaponry (less than they need, but a fair amount).

Trump kissing up to Putin is such a blatant lie that no response is deserved.

You are defining boring and tedious with your nonsense.

If trump still President , based on his attitude on Ukraine I’d say likely he’d say “ not our problem and let Putin take Ukraine.

[scook]

You have your opinion and I have mine.

[bgreene]

You have your opinion and I have mine.

Trump held up releasing military aid to Ukraine because he wanted dirt on the Bidens

[scook]

Well, my information is that it was already released before he asked for a very legitimate investigation that was extorted to a halt by VP Biden (he bragged arrogantly on video about doing that) to keep the light from shining on his and his son’s corruption.

With honesty on the part of the intel community, Joe would probably have been convicted and in jail, in lieu of running for the job he’s completely incompetent to do.

[bgreene]

Well, my information is that it was already released before he asked for a very legitimate investigation that was extorted to a halt by VP Biden (he bragged arrogantly on video about doing that) to keep the light from shining on his and his son’s corruption.

With honesty on the part of the intel community, Joe would probably have been convicted and in jail, in lieu of running for the job he’s completely incompetent to do.

Well scook your so called “ information “ is WRONG as FACT CHECKER easily outlines on the attached:
Your “ information “ same as claims trump won against Biden - nonsense .

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-trumps-ukraine-defense-collides-with-facts

[scook]

That’s about what I would expect from PBS. It’s full of lawyer speak, taking statements that did and those that didn’t relate to the assertion being posited by PBS and drawing the most negative conclusions they could stretch to.

I used to split my listening when I was driving around between PBS/NPR and a conservative talk show, but during the Portland riots, our local public broadcasting station became such apologists for the rioting thugs that I couldn’t waste my time on them. I still listen some to get the left wing news, but reporting on the riots and a good number of other topics, they forfeited their relight to be called journalists. The tipping point for me was when they were interviewing a couple of “independent journalists” about the riots, and asked about justification for burning and smashing local small businesses and gave a complete pass to the answer “well, they were just so frustrated”. That is what’s deeply wrong with the left wing media and causing the deep division in the country.

[bgreene]

That’s about what I would expect from PBS. It’s full of lawyer speak, taking statements that did and those that didn’t relate to the assertion being posited by PBS and drawing the most negative conclusions they could stretch to.

I used to split my listening when I was driving around between PBS/NPR and a conservative talk show, but during the Portland riots, our local public broadcasting station became such apologists for the rioting thugs that I couldn’t waste my time on them. I still listen some to get the left wing news, but reporting on the riots and a good number of other topics, they forfeited their relight to be called journalists. The tipping point for me was when they were interviewing a couple of “independent journalists” about the riots, and asked about justification for burning and smashing local small businesses and gave a complete pass to the answer “well, they were just so frustrated”. That is what’s deeply wrong with the left wing media and causing the deep division in the country.

You’re just a FACT denier . You beg for me to provide proof - which I do - and then you deny when it doesn’t support trump.

[scook]

First, I don’t beg you for anything - that’s another of your arrogant, dishonest proclamations.

This is a perfect example of what you call providing “facts” - a collection of left wing opinions from an extremely biased left wing source and then completely ignoring a thoughtful response.

[Destroyer]

Although the Democrats tried to make it appear differently, President Trump denied explicitly tying U.S. military aid to a request for a Ukrainian probe of Biden's son (and Biden). He ordered the aid to Ukraine to be held up while the Trump administration explored whether Zelensky, the country’s new president, was pro-Russian or pro-Western.

That was not a crime. It was entirely within his right and duty as President of the United States. The fact that it was not a crime is why their (Democrats) impeachment trial of President Trump failed.

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[bgreene]

Although the Democrats tried to make it appear differently, President Trump denied explicitly tying U.S. military aid to a request for a Ukrainian probe of Biden's son (and Biden). He ordered the aid to Ukraine to be held up while the Trump administration explored whether Zelensky, the country’s new president, was pro-Russian or pro-Western.

That was not a crime. It was entirely within his right and duty as President of the United States. The fact that it was not a crime is why their (Democrats) impeachment trial of President Trump failed.

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Wrong as usual

[scook]

Anything that isn't "Trump is a liar and criminal" is WRONG in your biased, compromised mind.

[bgreene]

Anything that isn't "Trump is a liar and criminal" is WRONG in your biased, compromised mind.

This threads a statement and comparison of historical nuclear war risks.
Go have a cookie ….scookie

[scook]

Oh, I see - it’s OK for you to take it off in a different direction, but when your dishonest proclamations in that direction are challenged, then we have to shift BACK to the topic.

[Destroyer]

Wrong as usual

Oh really? Prove it. Show me actual documented proof that what I typed was wrong.


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[bgreene]

Oh, I see - it’s OK for you to take it off in a different direction, but when your dishonest proclamations in that direction are challenged, then we have to shift BACK to the topic.

I don’t post dishonest proclamations scook - I post the facts that you deny .

[scook]

Any reasonable person reading that PBS article would see that it is an opinion piece, clearly not “facts”.

After watching the “impeachment inquiry”, which was transparently slanderous, and proved beyond any doubt that the crew named by Destroyer are malicious, lying political hacks, you have the temerity to post that article as fact?

That is seriously dishonest or epically ignorant.

[bgreene]

Any reasonable person reading that PBS article would see that it is an opinion piece, clearly not “facts”.

After watching the “impeachment inquiry”, which was transparently slanderous, and proved beyond any doubt that the crew named by Destroyer are malicious, lying political hacks, you have the temerity to post that article as fact?

That is seriously dishonest or epically ignorant.

Most dangerous time in our AMERICAN history besides previous wars and current murderous dictator Putin —I submit are Americans such as you who make excuses for the lying cheating dictator wanna be trump . Trump may become President again , he may destroy our democracy and you’ll be part of the reason .

[scook]

Again, for the how many times now, if you believe there’s ANY chance of Trump destoymg our democracy, you are wildly foolish. If you’re not concerned about the democrats doing that, your head is deep in the sand.

[bgreene]

Again, for the how many times now, if you believe there’s ANY chance of Trump destoymg our democracy, you are wildly foolish. If you’re not concerned about the democrats doing that, your head is deep in the sand.

Trump encouraged his followers that attempted insurrection - NOT the Democrats .
Yes , based on trumps words and actions , I believe it’s more than likely he regains the presidency and creates an autocracy .

[scook]

Maybe he’ll just move in and take over the one the democrats are constructing. The Nazi style truth commission will be all set up. All he’ll have to do is fire the lying liberal in charge and install someone who actually knows the truth when they see it.

[bgreene]

As stated:
Trump encouraged his followers that attempted insurrection - NOT the Democrats .
Yes , based on trumps words and actions , I believe it’s more than likely he regains the presidency and creates an autocracy .

Scook : instead of obsessing about my threads , how about writing a thread of YOUR OWN ?
I write the FACTS and the TRUTH.
You should write threads of your OWN TOPICS and I’ll fact check YOUR threads.
What are you afraid of ?

[Destroyer]

As stated:
Trump encouraged his followers that attempted insurrection - NOT the Democrats .
Yes , based on trumps words and actions , I believe it***8217;s more than likely he regains the presidency and creates an autocracy .

Scook : instead of obsessing about my threads , how about writing a thread of YOUR OWN ?
I write the FACTS and the TRUTH.
You should write threads of your OWN TOPICS and I***8217;ll fact check YOUR threads.
What are you afraid of ?

Actually, it's more fun to just poke holes in all of your threads, since most of them are just opinion pieces and not the facts you claim them to be. (And that's a FACT).

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[bgreene]

Actually, it's more fun to just poke holes in all of your threads, since most of them are just opinion pieces and not the facts you claim them to be. (And that's a FACT).

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The only “ holes “ you poke are into our democracy by trying to cover for the lying cheating con man traitor trump .

[Destroyer]

The only “ holes “ you poke are into our democracy by trying to cover for the lying cheating con man traitor trump .

Well, that's your opinion of course, and as I've said many times you are entitled to it. But it's still fun to poke holes in your posts, and that's not an opinion, it's a fact.

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[bgreene]

Well, that's your opinion of course, and as I've said many times you are entitled to it. But it's still fun to poke holes in your posts, and that's not an opinion, it's a fact.

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Try writing your own thread for once.

[Destroyer]

Try writing your own thread for once.

Why?

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[bgreene]

Well, that's your opinion of course, and as I've said many times you are entitled to it. But it's still fun to poke holes in your posts, and that's not an opinion, it's a fact.

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Most dangerous time in our AMERICAN history besides previous wars and current murderous dictator Putin —I submit are Americans such as you who make excuses for the lying cheating dictator wanna be trump . Trump may become President again , he may destroy our democracy and you’ll be part of the reason .

[scook]

And bgreene’s conspiracy lives on, and on, and on . . .

[bgreene]

And bgreene’s conspiracy lives on, and on, and on . . .

Conspiracy ?

Trumps LIE that he won the election .
Biggest nonsensical conspiracy theory in recent times.

[scook]

Probably not - we’ll see what the new evidence reveals. It won’t likely affect your rigid, biased opinions, but it may expose some very significant truth. Unfortunately not the kind of truth you are remotely interested in entertaining.

[bgreene]

Under Biden , and other country support, we’re in a “ proxy war” with Russia as we support Ukraine with large arsenal of assorted heavy weapons and missiles .

Putin obviously didn’t expect this - with continued losses of Russian militarily equipment from ships to tanks and artillery .
The Ukrainian people are so fiercely fighting against the murderous dictators army.

Now Finland says they want to join NATO - further humiliation for Putin .
May Putin and those supporting him rot forever in jail.

[scook]

Yup, Biden was finally pressured enough to get on board, and I agree with the rest of your post. It might be better if Putin and his thugs were rotting in the ground, but jail would be moderately satisfactory.

[Destroyer]

Yup, Biden was finally pressured enough to get on board, and I agree with the rest of your post. It might be better if Putin and his thugs were rotting in the ground, but jail would be moderately satisfactory.

Not only Finland, but Sweden is also making noise to join NATO.
That will mean that Russia is surrounded on the western side by NATO Countries. Dangerous.

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[scook]

Yeah - as paranoid as he is about anyone nearby even favoring relationships with the west, it could trigger serious problems.

[bgreene]

Much of the FREE World nations are working AGAINST Putin the dictator .
We will not placate him. Dangerous to allow Putin to attack, murder, rape and destroy Ukraine.

Putin the non-genius has made a huge mistake

[scook]

Mark Esper made the comment that Biden made a mistake taking the military option off the table immediately, even before the invasion. I recall hearing him do that and thinking " good grief, what an idiot - he knows NOTHING about negotiating." That's a mistake Trump NEVER made and is unlikely to ever make.

Biden is following the Obama doctrine of leading from behind, WAY behind.

[bgreene]

Mark Esper made the comment that Biden made a mistake taking the military option off the table immediately, even before the invasion. I recall hearing him do that and thinking " good grief, what an idiot - he knows NOTHING about negotiating." That's a mistake Trump NEVER made and is unlikely to ever make.

Biden is following the Obama doctrine of leading from behind, WAY behind.

Putin attacked Ukraine - to take over or destroy it.

[scook]

That seems pretty obvious. What does your reply have to do with my post?

It’s also pretty obvious, given that he’s only done it during Obama and Biden presidencies, that he wouldn’t (and didn’t) do it when Trump was president, in part because Trump would never have taken the military option off the table and Putin feared what Trump would do.

[Destroyer]

When we first got the intel that he was going to invade Ukraine (about two months before Putin actually started building up his troops) I wonder what Putin would have done IF Biden had put several thousand American Troops in Ukraine? Would he have dared to attack American troops? Of course since Biden's been wrong on just about every foreign affairs matter in the last 40 years that never happened. Could this whole war and the tens of thousands of lives that have already been lost on both sides have been averted by something so simple? It's something to think about.

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[bgreene]

When we first got the intel that he was going to invade Ukraine (about two months before Putin actually started building up his troops) I wonder what Putin would have done IF Biden had put several thousand American Troops in Ukraine? Would he have dared to attack American troops? Of course since Biden's been wrong on just about every foreign affairs matter in the last 40 years that never happened. Could this whole war and the tens of thousands of lives that have already been lost on both sides have been averted by something so simple? It's something to think about.

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Or set up WW3

[scook]

Seems like Biden’s doing a pretty good job of risking WW3 with his inept handling of the situation from the start.

[bgreene]

Seems like Biden’s doing a pretty good job of risking WW3 with his inept handling of the situation from the start.

Russia’s taking massive military losses, additional countries likely to join NATO , and Ukraine was not going to simply turn over their country to Russia.

Risk of WW3 caused by Putin, aging dictator .
Europe tried appeasement with Hitler - you know how that ended.

[scook]

Not sure what you’re suggesting with the appeasement remark - I certainly don’t support any kind of appeasement and have nothing but admiration for the Ukrainians and their skillful, dogged fighting. I was just thinking this morning that after the last Russian invasion, they have really taken preparation seriously.

I’ll be meeting with a Ukrainian tile and flooring guy tomorrow about a project and it’ll be interesting to hear his take on what’s happening.

[bgreene]

Not sure what you’re suggesting with the appeasement remark - I certainly don’t support any kind of appeasement and have nothing but admiration for the Ukrainians and their skillful, dogged fighting. I was just thinking this morning that after the last Russian invasion, they have really taken preparation seriously.

I’ll be meeting with a Ukrainian tile and flooring guy tomorrow about a project and it’ll be interesting to hear his take on what’s happening.

You’ll carefully word your comments, questions, and of course your feedback.
NO UKRAINIAN is interested in trumps claim Putin’s a genius.
Geezzzz what’s wrong with you scook ?
People are being murdered there.

[Destroyer]

You***8217;ll carefully word your comments, questions, and of course your feedback.
NO UKRAINIAN is interested in trumps claim Putin***8217;s a genius.
Geezzzz what***8217;s wrong with you scook ?
People are being murdered there.

BUT, they were NOT being murdered there while Trump was in office!!!. So what changed in the equation? Lets see.... was it Trump? no. Was it Putin?.. no. Was it Biden? ... YES!!! Biden came into office and when he showed the world what a completely incompetent idiot he was by the Afgan withdrawal they understood that they could start rattling their sabers with impunity. Biden is the reason that tens of thousands of people have died already. Their blood is all over his hands and the Democrats and anyone that voted for him.

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[oteps]

Destroyer, i have to say you are wrong. The world know joe was an idiot before the Afgan withdrawal.