Earth justice and the administration !

[bgreene]

Massive victory***10071;Earthjustice successfully fought the Trump administration’s harmful rollback of environmental protections that would have opened Alaska’s Tongass National Forest to logging. The forest is home to centuries-old trees and an endless variety of wildlife.

This is one of hundreds of lawsuits that Earthjustice has filed to protect and defend species and their habitats.

[Destroyer]

Massive victory***10071;Earthjustice successfully fought the Trump administration’s harmful rollback of environmental protections that would have opened Alaska’s Tongass National Forest to logging. The forest is home to centuries-old trees and an endless variety of wildlife.

This is one of hundreds of lawsuits that Earthjustice has filed to protect and defend species and their habitats.

I have a great idea. Lets eliminate all logging all together. Make our homes out of mud bricks and steel. Save all the trees!!! Wheeeee....

There is nothing wrong with sustainable logging, especially in this day and age of replanting after the trees are harvested. In fact, it's actually good for the forest to be thinned. Less chance of brushfires and forest fires that can destroy the entire forest. Just look at California as a perfect example of forest management gone wrong and the fires that have devastated thousands of acres as a result.

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[bgreene]

Some pristine ancient wild lands with unique plants, trees and creatures survive are worth protecting.

But you wouldn’t admit that because you’re a liar and a fraud destroyer .

[Pipe_Dream]

Some pristine ancient wild lands with unique plants, trees and creatures survive are worth protecting.

But you wouldn’t admit that because you’re a liar and a fraud destroyer .

Come on, man. Stop with the personal attacks and insults. Isn't that what you're always saying?

[bgreene]

Come on, man. Stop with the personal attacks and insults. Isn't that what you're always saying?

1. Destroyer EARNED and DESERVES it by virtue of his vulgar cursing rants at me.
2. Destroyer DOES lie about his replies
2. You made no such comment about that ……so don’t pretend you suddenly care

[Blue_Runner]

But you wouldn’t admit that because you’re a liar and a fraud destroyer .

Just Wow. You just love to stir up trouble? Then act like you are the victim?

[bgreene]

Just Wow. You just love to stir up trouble? Then act like you are the victim?

Wrong Blue Runner - the TRUTH about DESTROYER .
if you don’t or can’t handle it maybe mind your own business .

Why is DESTROYER A LIAR and a FRAUD ?
Here’s WHY
1 He wrote vulgar cursing rant post to me
2. Then claimed he didn’t - denied , denied.
3. Then posted he COULD stop the vulgar cursing IF he wanted to.
4. Then falsely claimed that I’m vulgar, cursing etc after I referred to something as “ bs”

Yes, I posted “ bs” on a post and if it offended someone I apologize.
So again- if you can’t handle it, sorry that’s your problem .

[Blue_Runner]

Bgreene, maybe you've forgotten - this site IS my business and I am minding it. I can't handle it? I don't have to try to handle anything - period.

I'm positive it isn't and won't ever be MY problem because I am confident I can put an end to it immediately if I choose.

You started this thread, based on your opinion, hoping to get a response. Destroyer responded to it with his opinion - respectfully I might add. Then you had to throw in your personal attack on Destroyer.

If you don't want anyone to respond to your posts then why are you even here?

Keep asking for it and ye shall receive.

Admin

[bgreene]

Ah so you’re the admin blue runner .

Interesting that when destroyer posted vulgar cursing rants at me ( twice) there was no similar response from you.

Destroyer - the ONLY member here to post using such language calling me “ an anus for sex, a Fin a hole and using other curses and vulgarity spelled out as completely as he could.

No public post requesting that he refrain , no reminder this is a polite group etc.

Yet you reprimand me for addressing him for what he did - lie that I was the vulgar one.

So you have the power of Admin - to deal with such but posted NOTHING that I’ve seen to address that.

Ok it is what it is .

[Destroyer]

Ah so you***8217;re the admin blue runner .

Interesting that when destroyer posted vulgar cursing rants at me ( twice) there was no similar response from you.

Destroyer - the ONLY member here to post using such language calling me ***8220; an anus for sex, a Fin a hole and using other curses and vulgarity spelled out as completely as he could.

No public post requesting that he refrain , no reminder this is a polite group etc.

Yet you reprimand me for addressing him for what he did - lie that I was the vulgar one.

So you have the power of Admin - to deal with such but posted NOTHING that I***8217;ve seen to address that.

Ok it is what it is .

Which is it? Blue, please allow me to answer this for you.

Bgreene, this is addressed just to you. So heed my words carefully.

First, you are on extremely thin ice. You have twice made veiled threats to other members of this site in complete violation of the rules.

Second, You constantly harp back to a post I made where I called you an Anus used for sex. Perhaps that was wrong of me, but I was trying not to call you a f-ing a-hole (which, if you think about it, is exactly the same thing) but would have violated this sites rules. I responded a second time, trying to explain what I meant. Now I'm using the same words while responding for a third time. That original post was several months ago, yet you continue to harass and harangue me almost daily about it, calling me vulgar, a liar, a fraud, and God only knows what else. In fact, it seems to have become a central point in almost every post you make, much like your constant diatribe against President Trump.

Third In a sincere effort to get you to stop and to make you feel better I apologize to you for calling you those words. In the future, if you're still on this site, I will just call you what you are.

Fourth I earnestly suggest that you apologize to Blue_Runner for your attitude and your insults directed towards him. it *might* keep you from being banned from this site.

Fifth I enjoy your comments on other topics. Always have. That's one of the reasons that, up to this point, I've lobbied for not banning you. I do think you have made and will continue to make valid contributions to this site on other topics.

Sixth You may not realize it, but you're out of control. No, I don't say that and it is not meant as an insult. It's simply my opinion of your present state of affairs. You attack anyone that disagrees with your viewpoint. May I suggest that instead of attacking the person that you attack the viewpoint? That's what I have tried, several times, to get you to do. This thread is all about politics. You seem incapable of actually debating the subject whenever anyone disagrees with you. Instead you switch subjects, resort to personal attacks and insults and (usually) repeat your mantra about how bad President Trump is and that he's a con man traitor that should be locked up (or words to that effect). After the hundredth time, we get it. No need to repeat it.

[bgreene]

Nice speech - lacking the TRUTH of course that you didn’t write “ scientific terms or such “ you flat out cursed me out with two vulgar posts


You a moderator and threatening to kick me off this site ?

I’m a TRUTHFUL , HONEST , FACT CHECKER .
I don’t LIE about Trump - I quote him directly , post the bad things he's done, and his threat to our democracy . You don’t like it so you resort to personal insults .

So either kick me off this site to cover for your own failings or just leave me be and go on about your business .

[Destroyer]

Nice speech - lacking the TRUTH of course that you didn***8217;t write ***8220; scientific terms or such ***8220; you flat out cursed me out with two vulgar posts


You a moderator and threatening to kick me off this site ?

I***8217;m a TRUTHFUL , HONEST , FACT CHECKER .
I don***8217;t LIE about Trump - I quote him directly , post the bad things he's done, and his threat to our democracy . You don***8217;t like it so you resort to personal insults .

So either kick me off this site to cover for your own failings or just leave me be and go on about your business .

Like Blue_Runner, my business is this site. Your reply is about as I expected. Which is a shame really. I had hoped for a different reply. Oh well, I guess we can't always get what we want. I'm not going to bother to reply to your comments since it would be a complete waste of my time. I do, however, encourage you to read my last post again. It contains a blueprint for your continued presence here. Have a good day.

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[bgreene]

Like Blue_Runner, my business is this site. Your reply is about as I expected. Which is a shame really. I had hoped for a different reply. Oh well, I guess we can't always get what we want. I'm not going to bother to reply to your comments since it would be a complete waste of my time. I do, however, encourage you to read my last post again. It contains a blueprint for your continued presence here. Have a good day.

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Destroyer - You POSTURE as “ all righteous “ but in REALITY you’re the ONLY member that posted vulgar cursing rant and throw the MOST personal insults at me .

I have NOT been vulgar - I wrote “ BS “ once and apologized if it offended anyone.

If you continue to feel the need to disagree with my posts, I suggest you do so without the personal insults , lies about me, or slander . I’ll therefore feel no need to call you out.
Just let me be - disagree with courtesy and I’ll do likewise.

[scook]

Well, you haven’t been vulgar, but you have been obtuse in the extreme and very purposefully offensive, arrogant and obnoxious. Claiming concern for the site, while behaving disrespectfully and in my opinion often dishonestly has worn very thin.

[bgreene]

Well, you haven’t been vulgar, but you have been obtuse in the extreme and very purposefully offensive, arrogant and obnoxious. Claiming concern for the site, while behaving disrespectfully and in my opinion often dishonestly has worn very thin.

I believe it’s time to drop all that, refrain from the personal judgements and insults .
My approach is to post data…..facts and the truth based on evidence.
Ok with me if you disagree.
Should be ok with you too.

[scook]

It is only a few observations:

Obtuse in the extreme by virtue of dodging, deflecting and changing the subject in lieu of actually answering posts directly. This has been pointed out to you countless times.

Purposely offensive, when not responding directly, with your “little man”, infantile monikers like “scookie”, “steppie”, etc., “starry eyed Trump lovers”, the list is long.

Arrogant and obnoxious with your “I push the buttons”, “I’m an excellent writer”, etc.

This is not a refrain, nor personal insults and judgments, just factual observations supported by a plethora of data, observations of your behavior that have in one way or another been brought to your attention MANY times by many members.

You don’t post truth backed up with facts, you post democrat or far left talking points which are opinion and “fact checked” by democrat and far left “fact checkers”. You also stick, I believe irrationally, to a narrow field of topics, ignoring the larger, very important picture - this has also been pointed out and met with obtuse and offensive replies like “I post what I want - go start your own post”. If you don’t see, for example, that allowing broad shouldered men, “identifying as women” to compete in women’s sports, or encouraging lawlessness that has and continues to result in huge numbers of murders are important issues, you should probably not be stridently opining on what you declare to be the threat to our democracy.

[bgreene]

It is only a few observations:

Obtuse in the extreme by virtue of dodging, deflecting and changing the subject in lieu of actually answering posts directly. This has been pointed out to you countless times.

Purposely offensive, when not responding directly, with your “little man”, infantile monikers like “scookie”, “steppie”, etc., “starry eyed Trump lovers”, the list is long.

Arrogant and obnoxious with your “I push the buttons”, “I’m an excellent writer”, etc.

This is not a refrain, nor personal insults and judgments, just factual observations supported by a plethora of data, observations of your behavior that have in one way or another been brought to your attention MANY times by many members.

You don’t post truth backed up with facts, you post democrat or far left talking points which are opinion and “fact checked” by democrat and far left “fact checkers”. You also stick, I believe irrationally, to a narrow field of topics, ignoring the larger, very important picture - this has also been pointed out and met with obtuse and offensive replies like “I post what I want - go start your own post”. If you don’t see, for example, that allowing broad shouldered men, “identifying as women” to compete in women’s sports, or encouraging lawlessness that has and continues to result in huge numbers of murders are important issues, you should probably not be stridently opining on what you declare to be the threat to our democracy.

More personal insults with comment “ not personal insults “ does not nullify your insults.
Breaking the law, then falsely claiming law not broken does not nullify the crime.

Suggest you stop the insults and stick to the topics.
Or announce youre done arguing AGAIN - and take a break.
Either would be nice.

[scook]

Yet another example. I am sticking to the topic and you are deflecting.

You seem to be an intelligent guy in other areas - it would be nice if you would fully engage your brain on political topics instead of sticking to a narrow array of democrat and far left talking points.

[bgreene]

This is the thread topic

Massive victory !

Earthjustice successfully fought the Trump administration’s harmful rollback of environmental protections that would have opened Alaska’s Tongass National Forest to logging. The forest is home to centuries-old trees and an endless variety of wildlife.

This is one of hundreds of lawsuits that Earthjustice has filed to protect and defend species and their habitats.

[scook]

I definitely agree with preserving old growth trees, but it's kind of sad what lousy lumber we have to use now. In the 80's, I had a lumber yard manager who was getting me old growth fir for FRAMING lumber. It was so nice that it could be milled for interior trim and what a joy to use for framing, it started out and stayed straight, unlike the trash we use today. I grew up seeing that kind of fir for trim - my grandfather built a house in 1918 and what beautiful finish carpentry was possible with that straight grained, knot free material. Sadly, like salmon and other fish, we have overharvested in the extreme and are suffering for it now.

I'm not sure all of the hundreds of lawsuits are appropriate, but I haven't studied it, so have no comment on that.

[Destroyer]

Destroyer - You POSTURE as ***8220; all righteous ***8220; but in REALITY you***8217;re the ONLY member that posted vulgar cursing rant and throw the MOST personal insults at me .

I have NOT been vulgar - I wrote ***8220; BS ***8220; once and apologized if it offended anyone.

If you continue to feel the need to disagree with my posts, I suggest you do so without the personal insults , lies about me, or slander . I***8217;ll therefore feel no need to call you out.
Just let me be - disagree with courtesy and I***8217;ll do likewise.

I have to smile at you pretending to be the victim. The fact is you have been the instigator of every insult I've ever thrown. In many ways, I'm like a mirror, I reflect back whatever is thrown at me. I tried, several times, to be nice and not throw an insult back at you for weeks at a time, only to no avail. I even made two posts to you where I offered to stop all insults if only you would do the same. Your answering post(s), full of insults showed everyone that you were not interested in any sort of truce.

I'm sorry, but your feigned victimhood rings hollow to anyone that has read these forums. Even in this post you could not refrain from calling me vulgar, all righteous, cursing, lying, and slanderous. Then you have the temerity to suggest that I refrain from using personal insults at you. In fact, I'm the one that has asked you tens of times to please stop with the personal insults. (Even using it as an ending tag line for several posts).

Like this post, I'll be happy to disagree with you with courtesy (again). I hope you'll keep your word this time and refrain in kind.

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[bgreene]

All on this site were the “ victim “ of your vulgar cursing rant that you deny and try to label as otherwise .

This threads about the VICTORY against Trumps horrible disrespect for our most sacred remaining ancient woodlands .

[Destroyer]

All on this site were the “ victim “ of your vulgar cursing rant that you deny and try to label as otherwise .

This threads about the VICTORY against Trumps horrible disrespect for our most sacred remaining ancient woodlands .

For the LAST time. Your OPINION is that I made a vulgar cursing rant. MY OPINION is that while it was crude it was not vulgar.

In all cases I did not curse.

As an aside, even if I had cursed, given your line of work, I have no doubt that you are exposed to much greater volumes of actual cursing on a daily basis. Not saying it's right, just saying that your pretended shock and dismay is a red herring since I sincerely doubt that you walk up to your co-workers and tell them you are offended by it).

You have your opinion, I have mine. Now drop the subject please. it was old months ago yet you continue to cling to it like it is some kind world shaking event.

As to the subject of the trees I tend to agree that they should be preserved. However, I think that just like in nature, the undergrowth needs to be removed. Nature does with fire. We can do it with careful cutting, clearing and replanting. It's called Forestry management.

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[bgreene]

Destroyer - heres your vulgar cursing post AGAIN since you keep denying it .
This site automatically edits CURSES which you did below as much as you could.

You even state here that you COULD STOP cursing and being vulgar!!!
Keep lying about this and I may keep posting your vulgar posts.
Apologize without caveat and I’ll stop

DESTROYERS POST
That's not called vulgar or cursing or lying Greene. It's called telling the truth.

Would you like it better if I said butthole instead of anus? I used the medical term, but I can speak in modern day vocabulary if you prefer. It's hard to change Fu*king A$$hole but how about Fcuking A**hole? Would you prefer that as an accurate description of you instead?

No matter, in all cases it's still what you are. You can never change it no matter how much you squirm and try to deflect it by calling it vulgar or cursing or whatever. I don't give a darn or a damn or a sh*t or a f*ck what YOU think. It still is the prefect description of you, and always will be. So call me whatever you want. It changes nothing. I can always stop "cursing" or being "vulgar".
You, on the other hand, will always be a Fcuking A$$hole!!

[scook]

Can you in your wildest imagination think that ANYONE is remotely interested in your INCESSANT whining and crying. PLEASE GIVE IT A REST.

I would be disappointed to see you booted from the site, because your posts on non-political topics are good and I wouldn't boot you for what I think is political nonsense, but your behavior is so egregious with whining, crying, virtually never replying directly and honestly to posts directed to you and infantile attempts at insults when you meet with the least disagreement, that I would be making a decision very soon, whether you would stay.

Blue runner has a great deal more patience than I do with your conduct. That's my opinion.

[bgreene]

Can you in your wildest imagination think that ANYONE is remotely interested in your INCESSANT whining and crying. PLEASE GIVE IT A REST.

I would be disappointed to see you booted from the site, because your posts on non-political topics are good and I wouldn't boot you for what I think is political nonsense, but your behavior is so egregious with whining, crying, virtually never replying directly and honestly to posts directed to you and infantile attempts at insults when you meet with the least disagreement, that I would be making a decision very soon, whether you would stay.

Blue runner has a great deal more patience than I do with your conduct. That's my opinion.

Mind your own business scook and stop trying to make points with Blue Runner - thats my opinion .
Oh and I dont cry and whine - just the facts with integrity .
I leave the whining to you and thats also my opinion .

[scook]

I'm not trying to make points with anyone - just hoping there might be a way to get your attention in a way that would cause you to have an honest look at yourself. Looks like a waste of time. And you are definitely whining and crying - using your standard as dishonestly applied to posts where you've used that language, you're shrieking and sobbing.

[Destroyer]

Bgreene. I tried, i really tried to be nice to you. It seems that whatever I do, whatever I say, whether I apologize or not (I have twice already just to try and get you to stop) you are going to continue to throw that old post back in my face. You even said that if you were treated with courtesy you would do the same. So what happened? I treated you nicely and with courtesy, didn't utter a single insult, and your reply above showed everyone how dishonest you really are.

Actually, I'm beginning to think you're like your hero Putin. You lie. You promise everything, then do whatever you want. You deny the things you say and do, even when caught red handed, just like Putin. You simply cannot be trusted to keep your word.

Frankly, I'm tired of it. I think you are a determent to this board and no longer worth the time or effort required to keep you here. I'm going to request to Blue_Runner that he ban you. If he does or not is entirely up to him, but if he does, you should know that it was you and you alone that was the cause.

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[scook]

I agree and request the same.

[bgreene]

Been to the forests with giant redwoods - 600 year old trees.

Amazing part of our National wild lands heritage - another magnificence of nature worth preserving

[Destroyer]

Been to the forests with giant redwoods - 600 year old trees.

Amazing part of our National wild lands heritage - another magnificence of nature worth preserving

Completely agree. Amazing trees and landscape.

[bgreene]

Trump says “ clean air and water “ and his followers cheer .

Meanwhile - fact check trumps ACTUAL environmental polices and except for a few carefully strategic headlines……trumps been a HORRIBLE President environmentally and will do much more damage if re elected.

Trumps an “ indoor person “

[Destroyer]

Trump says “ clean air and water “ and his followers cheer .

Meanwhile - fact check trumps ACTUAL environmental polices and except for a few carefully strategic headlines……trumps been a HORRIBLE President environmentally and will do much more damage if re elected.

Trumps an “ indoor person “

Might I ask you to please provide some proof of your statement about President Trumps environmental policies? (Besides the one about the protected fish area off Mass and the area in Alaska.) We already know about them.

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[bgreene]

Might I ask you to please provide some proof of your statement about President Trumps environmental policies? (Besides the one about the protected fish area off Mass and the area in Alaska.) We already know about them.

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You can ask but how about doing your own honest fact checking from main stream sources .
Look it up and you’ll find I’m accurate and truthful as always

[Destroyer]

You can ask but how about doing your own honest fact checking from main stream sources .
Look it up and you’ll find I’m accurate and truthful as always

In a debate the person making the statement is responsible for providing proof of that statement. You made the statement. I'm just asking you to furnish that proof. Do you have proof or was that just an opinion?

Since I don't agree with your statement about Trump it would be ludicrous for you to think that I would be willing to do your research.

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[bgreene]

In a debate the person making the statement is responsible for providing proof of that statement. You made the statement. I'm just asking you to furnish that proof. Do you have proof or was that just an opinion?

Since I don't agree with your statement about Trump it would be ludicrous for you to think that I would be willing to do your research.

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" ludicrous " claims destroyer. hahhahaah you know Trumps environmental record and policies were horribly destructive, but play your games.

[Destroyer]

" ludicrous " claims destroyer. hahhahaah you know Trumps environmental record and policies were horribly destructive, but play your games.

I know of no such thing. Why would you think I'm playing "games"? You have your opinions, I have mine. I asked you to provide proof of your statement. Are you unable to do that?

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[bgreene]

I know of no such thing. Why would you think I'm playing "games"? You have your opinions, I have mine. I asked you to provide proof of your statement. Are you unable to do that?

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A. You haven’t EARNED position with me to request data.
B. Are you unable to look this up ?

[Destroyer]

A. You haven’t EARNED position with me to request data.
B. Are you unable to look this up ?

Why would you think that I somehow have to earn anything from you? I'm perfectly capable of looking up anything, but it is not my job to do so. So once again I'm asking you to please provide proof of your statements, or are you unable to back up your statements?

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