Liz Chaney for President ?

[bgreene]

Some powerful Republicans moving to support Liz Chaney now …and looking at her as a possible Republican Presidential candidate.

I’m interested because she’s strong, supports truth and our American fair elections .
Will see how it goes - and her positions moving forward . Way too early but interesting .

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/politics/liz-cheney-trump-republican-fundraiser/index.html

[Pipe_Dream]

"Powerful Republicans"

:you:

CNN's choice for the Republican party nomination.

Tantamount to FOX promoting Sheila Jackson Lee for the Democrats.

[bgreene]

"Powerful Republicans"

:you:

CNN's choice for the Republican party nomination.

Tantamount to FOX promoting Sheila Jackson Lee for the Democrats.

Have you checked on Liz Chaneys record ?
She’s a solid Republican

[Destroyer]

Have you checked on Liz Chaneys record ?
She’s a solid Republican

WAS... Not is.

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[bgreene]

WAS... Not is.

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Cheney’s even more solid because while she sided with trump on many things she won’t support his election lie.

[Pipe_Dream]

Have you checked on Liz Chaneys record ?
She’s a solid Republican

Uh . . .

https://twitter.com/i/status/1506603940502294530

[bgreene]

Liz Chaney FACTUAL record has been siding with trump on many things BUT she won’t support his election lies and effort to over throw our system of democracy.

Strong woman.
Patriot .

I’d be interested in her running against trump.

[Pipe_Dream]

Still laughing that you said she's a "solid Republican."

[bgreene]

Still laughing that you said she's a "solid Republican."

Why is that funny

[Destroyer]

Why is that funny

Well, probably because your opinion of her, like everything else, is 100% wrong.

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[bgreene]

Well, probably because your opinion of her, like everything else, is 100% wrong.

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Trump supporters are mostly all the same - accepting nothing truthful that isn’t in support of the dictator wanna be.

[Pipe_Dream]

Why is that funny

Because she isn't.

[bgreene]

Because she isn't.

On what grounds in your opinion is Liz Chaney NOT. Solid Republican ?
I’m guessing because she doesn’t agree with trump on EVERYTHING.

You obviously WANT American to become a dictatorship where NO disagreement with the President is allowed.
You may just get your wish .

[scook]

Yeah, that’s really obvious. Do you have ANY idea what an abjectly stupid statement that is? If there were an Olympic event Leaping to Asinine Conclusions, you would run away with the Gold.

[bgreene]

Yeah, that’s really obvious. Do you have ANY idea what an abjectly stupid statement that is? If there were an Olympic event Leaping to Asinine Conclusions, you would run away with the Gold.

Stupid ? That’s a rather harsh reply scookie.

I find Liz Chaney potentially interesting as a candidate .
She actually voted WITH Trump on most issues if you check her record.
But she does not support the election lie .

[scook]

Another perfect example.

[bgreene]

Another perfect example.

Perfect example of what ?
You post with so many metaphors and riddles it’s difficult to know the truthful meaning of your comments
Me……I prefer to post with message clarity .

[Pipe_Dream]

Perfect example of what ?
You post with so many metaphors and riddles it’s difficult to know the truthful meaning of your comments
Me……I prefer to post with message clarity .

Anyone who regularly reads the political forum knows exactly what he meant.

[bgreene]

If you follow Trump you know that ANYONE who disagrees with him becomes subject to trumps smear attacks - for which he tries to ruin their careers.

FACTUALLY. Liz Chaney voted in support of trumps initiatives MOST of the time .
Once she rejected his election result LIES, he attacked her along with his followers that dare not defy him.

Many Americans DO NOT WANT our nation run by a President who will ultimately eliminate all people, policies, news and processes that disagree in any way.
We should follow the document that is our Constitution…..not the person who wants to override it.

You, and the other Trump lovers on this site likely feel the same way but I suspect won’t admit it.

[Destroyer]

If you follow Trump you know that ANYONE who disagrees with him becomes subject to trumps smear attacks - for which he tries to ruin their careers.

FACTUALLY. Liz Chaney voted in support of trumps initiatives MOST of the time .
Once she rejected his election result LIES, he attacked her along with his followers that dare not defy him.

Many Americans DO NOT WANT our nation run by a President who will ultimately eliminate all people, policies, news and processes that disagree in any way.
We should follow the document that is our Constitution…..not the person who wants to override it.

You, and the other Trump lovers on this site likely feel the same way but I suspect won’t admit it.

If you follow BGreene you know that ANYONE who disagrees with him becomes subject to his smear attacks.

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[bgreene]

Liz Chaney - with tracking based on her integrity .

Integrity …..lost value in the world of trumpism

[scook]

Did you miss my recent post, explaining that Biden has proudly and arrogantly ignored Supreme Court decisions, the Supreme Court being the arbiter of following the constitution.

Biden and the extremely dishonest democrats are the one and only threat, very serious threat, to our constitution and our democracy.

I find it amazing and appalling that you manage to cling to that 100% ludicrous notion that Trump could in any way possibly shut down the news or become a dictator even if he actually did want to do that. After watching how he was constantly attacked and would certainly have liked to stop it, you can’t have any remotely rational process to reach your conclusion.

[bgreene]

Did you miss my recent post, explaining that Biden has proudly and arrogantly ignored Supreme Court decisions, the Supreme Court being the arbiter of following the constitution.

Biden and the extremely dishonest democrats are the one and only threat, very serious threat, to our constitution and our democracy.

I find it amazing and appalling that you manage to cling to that 100% ludicrous notion that Trump could in any way possibly shut down the news or become a dictator even if he actually did want to do that. After watching how he was constantly attacked and would certainly have liked to stop it, you can’t have any remotely rational process to reach your conclusion.

Well I disagree that Democrats are the “ one and only threat to our democracy”
TWO examples:
1. the TRUMP Republican followers violent insurrection attempted attack on our Capitol with intent to stop the legal transfer of power to Biden.
2. Trumps “ stop the steal “.LIE that he won the election despite all the MAJOR confirmed evidence that he lost by the same fair and reliable system that confirmed he won in 2016.

This sir is a huge threat to our democracy - which many believe could be overthrown in 2024 and the great American dream ends as it applies to free and fair elections and more.

[scook]

Then “many” are deeply deluded and naive. There is no conceivable path to such an outcome with the current honest, originalist Supreme Court majority, together with how quickly the independent vote shifts, often unfortunately based on dishonest biased “news”.

Unless Biden is able to stack the court with extreme liberal justices, who legislate from the bench, there’s no possible way for anything like that to happen, and if he’s able to turn the court liberal, they certainly won’t hold still for it with respect to Mr. Trump.

It boggles the mind that a guy who seems intelligent on other subjects could swallow that preposterous narrative.

[bgreene]

Then ***8220;many***8221; are deeply deluded and naive. There is no conceivable path to such an outcome with the current honest, originalist Supreme Court majority, together with how quickly the independent vote shifts, often unfortunately based on dishonest biased ***8220;news***8221;.

Unless Biden is able to stack the court with extreme liberal justices, who legislate from the bench, there***8217;s no possible way for anything like that to happen, and if he***8217;s able to turn the court liberal, they certainly won***8217;t hold still for it with respect to Mr. Trump.

It boggles the mind that a guy who seems intelligent on other subjects could swallow that preposterous narrative.

Democracy is fragile. It needs to be maintained or it can be eliminated brick by brick.
Political scholars here - and from other countries are now writing predictions of American democratic demise and its based on Trumpism. Unimaginable before Trump but its true. Heres just one such writing

https://www.newsweek.com/prepare-right-wing-dictatorship-america-2030-scholar-urges-canada-1664810

[scook]

I read that article and found no substance in it. It cites mainly one unnamed Canadian political scientist who makes claims about “Trumpism”, with no real specific support for the claims.

It blames right wing ideologues for fomenting unrest, even civil war, when the violence and threat of civil war that has spread around the country is clearly sourced in far left ideology.

Claims of rampant police abuse, even accusations that cops are hunting down people of color to murder them; immediate claims (even by Joe Biden), supported by the very left of center mainstream media, that ANY time a person of color is killed in a police shooting it’s a racist murder, regardless of the facts; mandatory police trainings where the presenter starts the lecture with, “you are all racists” and “we all know that police officers want to put all black men in prison”; protestors marching with signs that say “ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS” and much worse; a far left official (Seattle) actually opening a police precinct to allow “protesters“ in to ransack and occupy the building while their riot was killing and injuring people and then denying access by medical responders to help them. BLM (discovered to be a very corrupt organization) not speaking out against the notion of murdering cops, pushing Marxist ideology (which has pretty thoroughly been shown to be a completely failed system and always run by the dictatorship you are concerned about; ANTIFA unapologetically calling for completely tearing down our established systems, to be replaced by, they have no idea what and causing MASSIVE destruction, it goes on and on.

NONE of the rhetoric pushed by the far left is supported by the data, except that there is a severe separation between the very rich and the very poor. Their solution is to destroy the “stagnating” middle class, disproportionately people of color, burning and looting their businesses, bankrupting hardworking families, promoting lawlessness resulting in skyrocketing murder rates (I think we’re at an average of two per week here in Portland, a relatively small “large” city.

Yes, there is threat of civil war, promoted openly by the far left. The supposed far right is mostly the reasonable right, people who have had more than enough and demand some respect and to be left alone to work (produce rather than tear down), raise and enjoy their families, have the benefit of what they EARN. Sure there are a VERY FEW unreasonable far right people, but not remotely comparable in numbers to the violent far left.

That article is an extremely biased, unsupported opinion piece, that lays the blame very much on the wrong end of the political spectrum. If a college student wrote a paper (unless it supported the far left nonsense taught now in colleges) with that complete lack of data, they would be laughed out of the classroom.

[bgreene]

I read that article and found no substance in it. It cites mainly one unnamed Canadian political scientist who makes claims about “Trumpism”, with no real specific support for the claims.

It blames right wing ideologues for fomenting unrest, even civil war, when the violence and threat of civil war that has spread around the country is clearly sourced in far left ideology.

Claims of rampant police abuse, even accusations that cops are hunting down people of color to murder them; immediate claims (even by Joe Biden), supported by the very left of center mainstream media, that ANY time a person of color is killed in a police shooting it’s a racist murder, regardless of the facts; mandatory police trainings where the presenter starts the lecture with, “you are all racists” and “we all know that police officers want to put all black men in prison”; protestors marching with signs that say “ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS” and much worse; a far left official (Seattle) actually opening a police precinct to allow “protesters“ in to ransack and occupy the building while their riot was killing and injuring people and then denying access by medical responders to help them. BLM (discovered to be a very corrupt organization) not speaking out against the notion of murdering cops, pushing Marxist ideology (which has pretty thoroughly been shown to be a completely failed system and always run by the dictatorship you are concerned about; ANTIFA unapologetically calling for completely tearing down our established systems, to be replaced by, they have no idea what and causing MASSIVE destruction, it goes on and on.

NONE of the rhetoric pushed by the far left is supported by the data, except that there is a severe separation between the very rich and the very poor. Their solution is to destroy the “stagnating” middle class, disproportionately people of color, burning and looting their businesses, bankrupting hardworking families, promoting lawlessness resulting in skyrocketing murder rates (I think we’re at an average of two per week here in Portland, a relatively small “large” city.

Yes, there is threat of civil war, promoted openly by the far left. The supposed far right is mostly the reasonable right, people who have had more than enough and demand some respect and to be left alone to work (produce rather than tear down), raise and enjoy their families, have the benefit of what they EARN. Sure there are a VERY FEW unreasonable far right people, but not remotely comparable in numbers to the violent far left.

That article is an extremely biased, unsupported opinion piece, that lays the blame very much on the wrong end of the political spectrum. If a college student wrote a paper (unless it supported the far left nonsense taught now in colleges) with that complete lack of data, they would be laughed out of the classroom.

That’s just ONE of many discussions regarding what TRUMP has done towards fighting and lying AGAINST our sound, proven, accurate election process.
An unheard of concern BEFORE trump.
You certainly can discount all of it - keeping in mind our great democracy is at stake.

[Pipe_Dream]

I read that article and found no substance in it. It cites mainly one unnamed Canadian political scientist who makes claims about “Trumpism”, with no real specific support for the claims.

It blames right wing ideologues for fomenting unrest, even civil war, when the violence and threat of civil war that has spread around the country is clearly sourced in far left ideology.

Claims of rampant police abuse, even accusations that cops are hunting down people of color to murder them; immediate claims (even by Joe Biden), supported by the very left of center mainstream media, that ANY time a person of color is killed in a police shooting it’s a racist murder, regardless of the facts; mandatory police trainings where the presenter starts the lecture with, “you are all racists” and “we all know that police officers want to put all black men in prison”; protestors marching with signs that say “ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS” and much worse; a far left official (Seattle) actually opening a police precinct to allow “protesters“ in to ransack and occupy the building while their riot was killing and injuring people and then denying access by medical responders to help them. BLM (discovered to be a very corrupt organization) not speaking out against the notion of murdering cops, pushing Marxist ideology (which has pretty thoroughly been shown to be a completely failed system and always run by the dictatorship you are concerned about; ANTIFA unapologetically calling for completely tearing down our established systems, to be replaced by, they have no idea what and causing MASSIVE destruction, it goes on and on.

NONE of the rhetoric pushed by the far left is supported by the data, except that there is a severe separation between the very rich and the very poor. Their solution is to destroy the “stagnating” middle class, disproportionately people of color, burning and looting their businesses, bankrupting hardworking families, promoting lawlessness resulting in skyrocketing murder rates (I think we’re at an average of two per week here in Portland, a relatively small “large” city.

Yes, there is threat of civil war, promoted openly by the far left. The supposed far right is mostly the reasonable right, people who have had more than enough and demand some respect and to be left alone to work (produce rather than tear down), raise and enjoy their families, have the benefit of what they EARN. Sure there are a VERY FEW unreasonable far right people, but not remotely comparable in numbers to the violent far left.

That article is an extremely biased, unsupported opinion piece, that lays the blame very much on the wrong end of the political spectrum. If a college student wrote a paper (unless it supported the far left nonsense taught now in colleges) with that complete lack of data, they would be laughed out of the classroom.

I concur. Here's the original opinion column that Newsweek cites:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-american-polity-is-cracked-and-might-collapse-canada-must-prepare/

Read it only if you're into ultra-left wing apocalypticism. Of course, some people thrive on that sort of thing.

[bgreene]

I concur. Here's the original opinion column that Newsweek cites:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-american-polity-is-cracked-and-might-collapse-canada-must-prepare/

Read it only if you're into ultra-left wing apocalypticism. Of course, some people thrive on that sort of thing.

Pipe - democracy is fragile. It requires the Will of the People, and the integrity of leadership to maintain.
Democratic process can be chipped away a bit at a time - not just by sudden coupe.
Trumps election LIE is a very significant step against our democracy.
You may not like me, what I write, and my political preference but this is all true.

[Pipe_Dream]

Pipe - democracy is fragile. It requires the Will of the People, and the integrity of leadership to maintain.
Democratic process can be chipped away a bit at a time - not just by sudden coupe.
Trumps election LIE is a very significant step against our democracy.
You may not like me, what I write, and my political preference but this is all true.

Liberty is chipped away a bit at a time. This is what the democratic party has been doing for decades, and why Trump was elected. This is true and you ignore it at your peril.

[bgreene]

Liberty is chipped away a bit at a time. This is what the democratic party has been doing for decades, and why Trump was elected. This is true and you ignore it at your peril.

What liberties have you lost over decades due to democratic leadership ?

[scook]

A pretty good isolated example is their assault on the 2nd amendment with laws that aren’t in any way effective at reducing gun crime and leaves people who obey the laws, however ill conceived, unarmed and defenseless. Gun-free zones are more accurately called self defense-free zones. The liberals in Oregon have removed state preemption with respect to gun laws, so municipalities, even schools can create “gun-free zones” and a mother who has a concealed carry permit, can become a felon for dropping her child at school while carrying her weapon.

That is a perfect example of losing a freedom, one with potentially fatal consequences if she’s unarmed when a murderer drops by school and starts shooting people and she could have stopped it, or she’s parking downtown and attacked in the parking structure. That’s just one absolutely clear example of democrat leadership taking liberties, and for very stupid, non-effective reasons. Well, maybe effective in pandering to their ideological, ignorant base and their own ignorant “we know what’s best for you stupid rednecks” mentality.

[bgreene]

Liz Chaney seems interesting as a potential candidate for the Republican Party.

[scook]

Here’s another example of your 100% lack of responsiveness. I responded to your question directly with a clear example and your reply is, as usual, to make a completely unrelated comment.

Once again you demonstrate a complete inability to engage in intellectually honest conversation, or that you know you are full of baloney and are simply dishonest.

[bgreene]

Here’s another example of your 100% lack of responsiveness. I responded to your question directly with a clear example and your reply is, as usual, to make a completely unrelated comment.

Once again you demonstrate a complete inability to engage in intellectually honest conversation, or that you know you are full of baloney and are simply dishonest.

Stop crying and whining . I don’t HAVE to reply to every one of your denials .

[scook]

It would take a brain dead person to find anything like crying or whining in my posts, ever. When you ask a direct question and get a direct answer, it's pretty telling of your condition when you completely ignore it.

[bgreene]

It would take a brain dead person to find anything like crying or whining in my posts, ever. When you ask a direct question and get a direct answer, it's pretty telling of your condition when you completely ignore it.

“ my condition “ scook?
Well, I try to eat healthfully most of the time, and work out about 4x per week .
That’s about all I have time for so I’d say my condition is ok.
Thanks for asking .

[Destroyer]

“ my condition “ scook?
Well, I try to eat healthfully most of the time, and work out about 4x per week .
That’s about all I have time for so I’d say my condition is ok.
Thanks for asking .

Happy you're taking care of yourself Greene. Everyone should. But I think what Scook was trying to point out is that you asked a specific question about what liberties we have lost over decades under Democratic "leadership".

He made a lengthy reply pointing out just one of the many that have either been lost or curtailed. In response you completely ignored his post and posted about Liz Cheney. Yes, this thread is about her, but you asked a specific question about something different and then ignored the answer when it was provided.

[scook]

Yup - disrespectful of good faith engagement in topics he initiated. Extremely typical of his condition.

[bgreene]

Happy you're taking care of yourself Greene. Everyone should. But I think what Scook was trying to point out is that you asked a specific question about what liberties we have lost over decades under Democratic "leadership".

He made a lengthy reply pointing out just one of the many that have either been lost or curtailed. In response you completely ignored his post and posted about Liz Cheney. Yes, this thread is about her, but you asked a specific question about something different and then ignored the answer when it was provided.

I SHOULD ignore all your posts based on your posting record .
And based on that, it’s my opinion you should refrain from so called “correcting “ anyone.

[scook]

And, once again a non-responsive, deflecting, denial post.

[Destroyer]

I SHOULD ignore all your posts based on your posting record .
And based on that, it’s my opinion you should refrain from so called “correcting “ anyone.

If you wish to ignore my posts, then by all means, please be my guest.

As to correcting anyone I did no such thing. I simply pointed out what I thought that Scook was saying. If I am wrong I'm sure he's an adult and is perfectly capable of correcting any misinformation I may have posted.

May I suggest that, in the spirit of healthy debate, instead of rejecting out of hand his post you consider what he said and either agree with it or issue a rebuttal stating your reasons for same.

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[bgreene]

If you wish to ignore my posts, then by all means, please be my guest.

As to correcting anyone I did no such thing. I simply pointed out what I thought that Scook was saying. If I am wrong I'm sure he's an adult and is perfectly capable of correcting any misinformation I may have posted.

May I suggest that, in the spirit of healthy debate, instead of rejecting out of hand his post you consider what he said and either agree with it or issue a rebuttal stating your reasons for same.

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Oh so this week you’re a gentleman requesting courteous debate ?
As if that “ washes away” your previous blatantly vulgar curse out to me - which you deny.

[Destroyer]

Oh so this week you’re a gentleman requesting courteous debate ?
As if that “ washes away” your previous blatantly vulgar curse out to me - which you deny.

I've always been a gentleman. Nor am I requesting it of anyone. I've gotten past that phase and now I'm demanding it. To your credit, I have noticed that you seem to have toned down your rhetoric a bit in the last few days. Good for you. Keep it up. It suits you much better.

Not that it's relevant to this post, but I've never denied anything I've said. I made no vulgar curse at you. Did I make a rather crude one? Yes, absolutely, for which I've twice apologized in the spirit of peace. It is not my fault if you do not care to accept it. Perhaps I should go back in your posts and demand that you apologize to me for all the slanderous comments you have thrown at me on a daily basis?

Now, can we please be adults and get back to the post?

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[bgreene]

I've always been a gentleman. Nor am I requesting it of anyone. I've gotten past that phase and now I'm demanding it. To your credit, I have noticed that you seem to have toned down your rhetoric a bit in the last few days. Good for you. Keep it up. It suits you much better.

Not that it's relevant to this post, but I've never denied anything I've said. I made no vulgar curse at you. Did I make a rather crude one? Yes, absolutely, for which I've twice apologized in the spirit of peace. It is not my fault if you do not care to accept it. Perhaps I should go back in your posts and demand that you apologize to me for all the slanderous comments you have thrown at me on a daily basis?

Now, can we please be adults and get back to the post?

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“ I’ve always been a gentleman says destroyer “

[Destroyer]

“ I’ve always been a gentleman says destroyer “

I'm glad that you recognize that FACT. Now back to Ms Chaney please.

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[bgreene]

Destroyer as " always a gentleman " is like saying it " always snows in Miami Florida ".

haahahahahah

Liz Chaney has more integrity than Trump could ever dream of.

[scook]

And you are asking for no more insults? It would be appropriate for you to gain some modicum of self control in that venue before demanding it of others, particularly when they are accurately characterizing your CURRENT behavior.

[bgreene]

And you are asking for no more insults? It would be appropriate for you to gain some modicum of self control in that venue before demanding it of others, particularly when they are accurately characterizing your CURRENT behavior.

“ modicum of self control “ suggests destroyer …..even funnier !!!
1. I’ve always posted with total self control.
2. You haven’t

The TRUTH is such a BEAUTIFUL THING…..pure, correct and simple.

[Destroyer]

“ modicum of self control “ suggests destroyer …..even funnier !!!
1. I’ve always posted with total self control.
2. You haven’t

The TRUTH is such a BEAUTIFUL THING…..pure, correct and simple.


You might want to actually read who makes a post. :you:

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[bgreene]

Staunch Republican Liz Chaney - voted with trump over 70 % of the time FACT.

But Liz Chaney WILL NOT support trumps effort to over ride our democracy or support trumps election lies .

Solid .

[scook]

Well, voting against the president of you own party 30% of the time probably doesn't quite qualify as "staunch". You can't really imagine that your evaluation of Republicanism is viewed with any credibility.

[Pipe_Dream]

Staunch Republican Liz Chaney

Solid .

:you:

Really? Liz Chaney who was just cited as an ally in a fundraising ad set out by the ultra left wing Congressional Black Caucus? The same Liz Chaney who was endorsed by the ultra left wing group Occupy Democrats?

You're making as much sense as MSB Joe Biden.

[Pipe_Dream]

Solid take


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVIfRH9WYAEoSTO?format=jpg&name=small

[steplift20]

Only you bgreene would like that rino Liz Cheney. You never disappoint us. . What are you going to do when Trump runs and wins the 2024 presidential election for the third time. Are you going to accept it or are you going to cry like a baby?

[SkunkBoat]

They are all RINOs. The Republican Party does not exist anymore.

At least she is not a Fascist, so she's got that going for her.:laugh: