January 6, 2021

[bgreene]

A day that will live in infamy and may represent the marker for Americas end as a true, fair and free democracy.

Trump was the first president in American history to inspire an attempted coup. After a rally where the defeated incumbent urged supporters to fight like hell, the angry mob laid siege to the US Capitol to disrupt the certification of Joe Bidens victory.
Many of the mob openly claimed trump encouraged them to do it and they yelled to kill our Vice President.

People died - directly and indirectly, over 100 police were beaten and bloodied plus damage in the first major attack on the Capitol since the war of 1812. More than 700 of the violent mob have been charged in one of the biggest criminal investigations in American history. This is not over.

This is FACT . This is the TRUTH. Still matters to many Americans

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tlqAfnwoYno

[Destroyer]

A day that will live in infamy and may represent the marker for Americas end as a true, fair and free democracy.

Trump was the first president in American history to inspire an attempted coup. After a rally where the defeated incumbent urged supporters to fight like hell, the angry mob laid siege to the US Capitol to disrupt the certification of Joe Bidens victory.
Many of the mob openly claimed trump encouraged them to do it and they yelled to kill our Vice President.

People died - directly and indirectly, over 100 police were beaten and bloodied plus damage in the first major attack on the Capitol since the war of 1812. More than 700 of the violent mob have been charged in one of the biggest criminal investigations in American history. This is not over.

This is FACT . This is the TRUTH. Still matters to many Americans

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tlqAfnwoYno

Still parroting your masters garbage and propaganda I see.

You want some REAL facts and some REAL truth? It was NOT an attempted coup. It was not an insurrection. NO people have been charged with insurrection since it does not meet the legal definition of insurrection. 6 people died. (5 from natural causes and 1 that was shot and murdered by a trigger happy Capital Police guard) Under 150 police were injured in the incursion, far less than the number injured throughout the previous summer by the Democrat encouraged riots in our cities that claimed a number of lives and cost several billions of dollars in damages. The capital police, under the direction of the Speaker of the House, (Nancy Pelosi) rejected offers for help from the National Guard days before the demonstration.
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-help-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380 (WASHINGTON (AP) — Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump assembled at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower. And as the mob descended on the building Wednesday, Justice Department leaders reached out to offer up FBI agents. The Capital Police turned them down both times, according to senior defense officials and two people familiar with the matter. Despite plenty of warnings of a possible incursion and ample resources and time to prepare, the Capitol Police planned only for a free speech demonstration).

Understand, this writer is not in any way condoning the actions of a relatively small number of people who broke the law and entered the Capital Building. Regardless of their intentions, and regardless of what they were shouting or chanting, they committed criminal trespass and should be punished for their crimes, just as the people that looted and burned stores all throughout the previous summer should be charged and punished also. We, as a nation, cannot allow criminals to dictate their will upon us.
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[bgreene]

I stand with the facts and the truth.
I stand for American values and those who have fought and continue to fight for our democracy. Not conspiracy theories, disinformation and lies.

The rest of the world watching - to see if our great democracy falls under trump and his followers. All you do is contribute to weakening our nation.

What you refer to as garbage is now historically one of the darkest days and greatest threats to our American democracy.
An attempt by trump followers to stop our legitimate, legal, and peaceful transfer of power, and murder Govt officials encouraged by the LOSER trump.

Destroyer Your writing seems as a man later in life , who wants to get even for your own dissatisfactions by supporting the lying cheating con man Donald trump who represents the image of what you wish you were. Many men have done this same thing, from those who joined the German Nazi Party to boys supporting bullies on playgrounds.

[Destroyer]

I stand with the facts and the truth.
I stand for American values and those who have fought and continue to fight for our democracy. Not conspiracy theories, disinformation and lies.

The rest of the world watching - to see if our great democracy falls under trump and his followers. All you do is contribute to weakening our nation.

Thank you for your opinion Mr. Copy/paste. I'm sure we'll all give it the attention it truly deserves.

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[bgreene]

Thank you for your opinion Mr. Copy/paste. I'm sure we'll all give it the attention it truly deserves.

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As usual, you’re in a big hurry to try and cover the facts and truth .

[Destroyer]

As usual, you’re in a big hurry to try and cover the facts and truth .

LOL Nice trick, changing your post AFTER I responded to it. (What a pity that the post date time/edited stamp shows the sneaky thing you did).

You added:

What you refer to as garbage is now historically one of the darkest days and greatest threats to our American democracy.
An attempt by trump followers to stop our legitimate, legal, and peaceful transfer of power, and murder Govt officials encouraged by the LOSER trump.

Destroyer Your writing seems as a man later in life , who wants to get even for your own dissatisfactions by supporting the lying cheating con man Donald trump who represents the image of what you wish you were. Many men have done this same thing, from those who joined the German Nazi Party to boys supporting bullies on playgrounds.

Kind of sneaky there old man. I may have to change your nickname from Shifty to Sneaky... or maybe use both, like Good ol' Shifty Sneaky

As for your comments about me, I find that very interesting. Since you don't actually know me you have absolutely no point of reference to draw on. You know nothing about me. With no point of reference about me, maybe you're drawing upon our own experiences instead. Maybe it's YOU that's really dissatisfied with your station in life as a salesman selling corrugated board. "I can give you this "E" Flute at a better price than they can".....
You live out your fantasies by thinking that it's other peoples faults for your own menial place in life. You blame them for your failures. It must be hard being you. I pity you...... I actually feel sorry for you.


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[bgreene]

LOL Nice trick, changing your post AFTER I responded to it. (What a pity that the post date time/edited stamp shows the sneaky thing you did).

You added:



Kind of sneaky there old man. I may have to change your nickname from Shifty to Sneaky... or maybe use both, like Good ol' Shifty Sneaky

As for your comments about me, I find that very interesting. Since you don't actually know me you have absolutely no point of reference to draw on. You know nothing about me. With no point of reference about me, maybe you're drawing upon our own experiences instead. Maybe it's YOU that's really dissatisfied with your station in life as a salesman selling corrugated board. "I can give you this "E" Flute at a better price than they can".....
You live out your fantasies by thinking that it's other peoples faults for your own menial place in life. You blame them for your failures. It must be hard being you. I pity you...... I actually feel sorry for you.


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Wow destroyers becoming OBSESSED with me - checking on my background , snooping around…..thought I saw your old broken down clunker drive passed my house the other day.
Calm down , take your meds, try to relax. I’m obviously wayyyyyyy too in your head 24/7

[steplift20]

Destroyer, save your breath your talking to a Biden supporter He will never change his view , believe me I live next to one, a real nice guy but very ignorant only watches cnn Not a mind of his own, bgreene is just like him
All I have to say is your going to hear about 1/6 Till 2024 cause they are shaking in there boots that Predident Trump will run again , the only thing there missing is they are pissing
people off and are definetley going to for for Trump , Biden and Harris are a bad joke
Trump 2024 and he will have a tough time trying to bring this country back after all the crazy things this POS is doing
Covid is running out of control and you don't hear one dem talking about it And what about Hunter? Look what's happening in Australia hunting people down and jabbing them with this experimental drug , and if Biden can he would do it here too
We have to get past 2022 then on to 2024
Biden, the worst president in history
But bgreene hates trump so much he will vote for anyone but Trump and Donald Trump was and will be the best president in history Promises said promises kept ,

[bgreene]

There you go again with the “hates Trump “ excuse to avoid the truth.

Nope I don’t hate trump - he’s a lying cheating con man traitor - that’s just a FACT same as the sky is blue, no hate .

And he lost the election by wide margin that’s a FACT too.

You both call me names bla bla bla but deal with this FACT …..I follow the actual results and what actually happens while you both embrace conspiracy theories and disinformation.

Who’s the righteous one here ? Clearly I am

[bgreene]

Jan 6 2021 …. The day trump supporters beat police, smashed their way into our Capitol, tried to stop the legal transfer of presidential power and kill our Vice President .

A dark day encouraged by the lying cheating con man traitor trump .

[Destroyer]

Wow destroyers becoming OBSESSED with me - checking on my background , snooping around…..thought I saw your old broken down clunker drive passed my house the other day.
Calm down , take your meds, try to relax. I’m obviously wayyyyyyy too in your head 24/7

LOL I guess you forgot that you told me what you did wayyyy back when we met and you went back on your word. I didn't need to do any checking on your background. You told me you were a salesman. I remembered it because I used to work as a Facilities Manager for a corrugated plant. I thought it funny that we both were in similar lines of business. As for my broken down clunker, I got rid of that years ago. Dodge didn't do a very good job of rust proofing back then so while it was still a great vehicle mechanically it got lighter every time I drove it. I now have a newer broken down clunker. Heated Leather power seats seats, 3 row seating, 6 disk Alpine Stereo system, Sunroof, GPS, in roof DVD player, 5.7L Hemi engine, factory installed towing package, 4x4. Ya, she's a real clunker all right.

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[bgreene]

LOL I guess you forgot that you told me what you did wayyyy back when we met and you went back on your word. I didn't need to do any checking on your background. You told me you were a salesman. I remembered it because I used to work as a Facilities Manager for a corrugated plant. I thought it funny that we both were in similar lines of business. As for my broken down clunker, I got rid of that years ago. Dodge didn't do a very good job of rust proofing back then so while it was still a great vehicle mechanically it got lighter every time I drove it. I now have a newer broken down clunker. Heated Leather power seats seats, 3 row seating, 6 disk Alpine Stereo system, Sunroof, GPS, in roof DVD player, 5.7L Hemi engine, factory installed towing package, 4x4. Ya, she's a real clunker all right.

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The boat you said was “ solid but just needed a good cleaning “ ?
Yeh I gave it a good cleaning alright and found it was a marshmallow waterlogged and mush from bow to rotted out swollen transom !!!

The fantastic clean up job I did to that mess of a boat more than covered when we settled up.
You shouldn’t have brought that up but since you did this is just another FACT !

[bgreene]

Back to January 6, 2021

[Destroyer]

The boat you said was “ solid but just needed a good cleaning “ ?
Yeh I gave it a good cleaning alright and found it was a marshmallow waterlogged and mush from bow to rotted out swollen transom !!!

The fantastic clean up job I did to that mess of a boat more than covered when we settled up.
You shouldn’t have brought that up but since you did this is just another FACT !

You want FACTS? Here's a FACT!!! You're so full of BullSh*t it's coming out your ears. You cleaned PART of the inside of the boat. Did a pretty good job I'll admit. Did nothing for the outside, The boat was FREE and I told you that while I thought it was in good condition it's condition was UNKNOWN. I even told you that several times while you were inspecting the boat when you got her. Remember?... when you were walking all over her looking for soft spots? You spent almost an hour inspecting her. So don't give me any garbage that you didn't know or understand the terms of the deal or didn't know the condition of the boat.

You paid $500 for the trailer it was on (that was worth twice that) and then the very next day (not surprisingly) you went back on your word and started crying you wanted out of the deal. I was under NO OBLIGATION to take it back but I felt sorry for you so I took it back. Even with the $50 you gave me towards tolls, the tolls and brand new tires on the trailer still cost me over $200. So don't give me any bullsh*t about cleaning the boat or the like. You cannot be trusted on any deal, You welch and go back on your word. You cannot be trusted.

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[bgreene]

You want FACTS? Here's a FACT!!! You're so full of BullSh*t it's coming out your ears. You cleaned PART of the inside of the boat. Did a pretty good job I'll admit. Did nothing for the outside, The boat was FREE and I told you that while I thought it was in good condition it's condition was UNKNOWN. I even told you that several times while you were inspecting the boat when you got her. Remember?... when you were walking all over her looking for soft spots? You spent almost an hour inspecting her. So don't give me any garbage that you didn't know or understand the terms of the deal or didn't know the condition of the boat.

You paid $500 for the trailer it was on (that was worth twice that) and then the very next day (not surprisingly) you went back on your word and started crying you wanted out of the deal. I was under NO OBLIGATION to take it back but I felt sorry for you so I took it back. Even with the $50 you gave me towards tolls, the tolls and brand new tires on the trailer still cost me over $200. So don't give me any bullsh*t about cleaning the boat or the like. You cannot be trusted on any deal, You welch and go back on your word. You cannot be trusted.

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Well thats YOUR STORY as I took that water logged boat off your hands in pouring rain without inspecting .
I didnt crawl all over it for an hour - there was too much wood and other crap inside that I saw, and it was raining too hard. Im quite good at cleaning things up which I did to that water logged sponge of a boat .
You shouldnt bring this up but you did and that rig was among the worst Id ever seen once I checked close up.
Advertised as solid just needs good cleaning hahahah not even close.
Let it go or continue crying about it , no matter. As I recall you then sold it to the next victim .

[Destroyer]

Well thats YOUR STORY as I took that water logged boat off your hands in pouring rain without inspecting .
I didnt crawl all over it for an hour - there was too much wood and other crap inside that I saw, and it was raining too hard. Im quite good at cleaning things up which I did to that water logged sponge of a boat .
You shouldnt bring this up but you did and that rig was among the worst Id ever seen once I checked close up.
Advertised as solid just needs good cleaning hahahah not even close.
Let it go or continue crying about it , no matter. As I recall you then sold it to the next victim .

First off, I had to bring it up because you accused me of doing research on you when, in fact, it was you that told me what your occupation was during that transaction.

You STILL don't get it do you. Try to pay attention here.... THE BOAT WAS FREE. I never said that it was good or bad.. what I said was that it had been sitting in my yard for several years, and that I thought that it was solid but I made no promises. You went into the Cuddy, you walked all over the bow section looking for soft spots, you walked all over the deck both front and rear looking for soft spots, you pushed on the 200HP Johnson engine to see if you could flex the transom (You couldn't)

I will give you credit though, Like I said in my first post you did clean the one part of the boat nicely. As I recall you said you used soap mixed with bleach? You really are good at cleaning things up like you said. Maybe you missed your calling? You should have been a janitor.

So ok, I'll take it back, you didn't "crawl" , You "walked" all over the boat for about 3/4 of an hour.

YOU BOUGHT THE TRAILER!!! YOU RENEGGED ON THE TRAILER DEAL!!!

I sold you a trailer for $500 that was worth twice as much. It had 2 brand new tires on it purchased the day before from Firestone. The bearings were a week old, the hitch was brand new, it was a heavy duty, Galvanized steel Shorelandr' roller trailer with working rollers in great shape and no rust.

THAT IS THE DEAL THAT YOU RENEGGED ON!

I felt sorry for you so I took it back a few days later, at considerable expense to myself. YOU cost me over $200 in gas and tolls. So If I were you I'd shut my mouth and stop lying.



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[bgreene]

[QUOTE=Destroyer;246682]First off, I had to bring it up because you accused me of doing research on you when, in fact, it was you that told me what your occupation was during that transaction.

You STILL don't get it do you. Try to pay attention here.... THE BOAT WAS FREE. I never said that it was good or bad.. what I said was that it had been sitting in my yard for several years, and that I thought that it was solid but I made no promises. You went into the Cuddy, you walked all over the bow section looking for soft spots, you walked all over the deck both front and rear looking for soft spots, you pushed on the 200HP Johnson engine to see if you could flex the transom (You couldn't)

I will give you credit though, Like I said in my first post you did clean the one part of the boat nicely. As I recall you said you used soap mixed with bleach? You really are good at cleaning things up like you said. Maybe you missed your calling? You should have been a janitor.

So ok, I'll take it back, you didn't "crawl" , You "walked" all over the boat for about 3/4 of an hour.

YOU BOUGHT THE TRAILER!!! YOU RENEGGED ON THE TRAILER DEAL!!!

I sold you a trailer for $500 that was worth twice as much. It had 2 brand new tires on it purchased the day before from Firestone. The bearings were a week old, the hitch was brand new, it was a heavy duty, Galvanized steel Shorelandr' roller trailer with working rollers in great shape and no rust.

THAT IS THE DEAL THAT YOU RENEGGED ON!

I felt sorry for you so I took it back a few days later, at considerable expense to myself. YOU cost me over $200 in gas and tolls. So If I were you I'd shut my mouth and stop lying.




Hey goofie - why you started crying about your boat sale on historic January 6 Insurrection rememberance is silly enough.

Your boat was a wet sponge , you obviously knew it, I wasted my time making it look presentable and we settled up. Neither of us pleased, but we settled up.
Stop your crying or start a whine thread .

[Pipe_Dream]

https://obituaries.sharonherald.com/obituary/matthew-perna-1084525405

[bgreene]

https://obituaries.sharonherald.com/obituary/matthew-perna-1084525405

That’s a horrible shame for many reasons.
The man did put himself in a bad situation, during a violent event.

Lots of injustice occurs every day, in many ways that goes unreported too .
People have spent decades in jails for crimes they didn’t commit, lynchings, violent crime .
And some have escaped justice for many reasons including having the money for pay offs and many lawyers .

I know what you’re trying to suggest - but it does not “ white wash away” in any way the historical trump encouraged violent insurrection attempt at our Capitol .

[Pipe_Dream]

Matthew Perna entered an open door manned by two Capitol police officers who did not attempt to stop him. Matthew did not carry a weapon, assault a police officer, or damage any property. His family said he stayed within the rope lines and took photos that afternoon.

Matthew—by all accounts a gentle soul, a devoted son and friend, a man who loved his country—had never been in any legal trouble in his life and presumably believed he, like any American, would be treated fairly by the justice system. That's not what happened. What Matthew and his family, as well as thousands of his countrymen, quickly learned is that they would be used as human pawns in the pResident's regime’s vicious and vengeful war on terror against Trump supporters.

[bgreene]

Matthew Perna entered an open door manned by two Capitol police officers who did not attempt to stop him. Matthew did not carry a weapon, assault a police officer, or damage any property. His family said he stayed within the rope lines and took photos that afternoon.

Matthew—by all accounts a gentle soul, a devoted son and friend, a man who loved his country—had never been in any legal trouble in his life and presumably believed he, like any American, would be treated fairly by the justice system. That's not what happened. What Matthew and his family, as well as thousands of his countrymen, quickly learned is that they would be used as human pawns in the pResident's regime’s vicious and vengeful war on terror against Trump supporters.

Ok now you’re going with excuses …..” vicious, vengeful war on trump supporters”.
That was trumps violent mob that attacked our Capitol, attacking police andmaking threats to kill our Vice President .
ANYONE not authorized also entering the Capitol during that put themselves in harms way.
You want to spin it otherwise , that’s your business but it’s spin.

[Pipe_Dream]

Matthew Perna was not violent. He attacked no one. He walked through an open door manned by two Capitol police officers who did not attempt to stop him. He took photos. When two alleged acquaintances who followed Perna on Facebook notified the FBI that he was one of the individuals on the FBI’s wanted list, he discovered he was on the list and turned himself in to his local FBI office. A week later, six FBI agents arrested him at his home, He was charged with a felony count of obstruction of an official proceeding and three trespassing misdemeanors. With the case drawing out, Perna plead guilty in a plea offer. But Matthew Graves, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, according to Perna's attorney, planned to seek a lengthy prison sentence for Perna after he plead guilty to all four charges. “What drove him (Perna) over the edge was the government announced it would seek an eight-level enhancement [to his sentence] for threatening to cause physical injury to a person in order to obstruct the administration of justice,” said Perna's attorney. Perna, who committed no violent crime and has no criminal record would have faced 57 to 71 months in prison.

[bgreene]

Matthew Perna was not violent. He attacked no one. He walked through an open door manned by two Capitol police officers who did not attempt to stop him. He took photos. When two alleged acquaintances who followed Perna on Facebook notified the FBI that he was one of the individuals on the FBI’s wanted list, he discovered he was on the list and turned himself in to his local FBI office. A week later, six FBI agents arrested him at his home, He was charged with a felony count of obstruction of an official proceeding and three trespassing misdemeanors. With the case drawing out, Perna plead guilty in a plea offer. But Matthew Graves, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, according to Perna's attorney, planned to seek a lengthy prison sentence for Perna after he plead guilty to all four charges. “What drove him (Perna) over the edge was the government announced it would seek an eight-level enhancement [to his sentence] for threatening to cause physical injury to a person in order to obstruct the administration of justice,” said Perna's attorney. Perna, who committed no violent crime and has no criminal record would have faced 57 to 71 months in prison.

Spin pipe spin !
Injustice is everywhere - the man should NOT have joined the violent mob and entered the Capitol . Yes - bad things happen to good people - especially when they PUT THEMSELVES in harms way .

[Pipe_Dream]

Spin pipe spin !
Injustice is everywhere - the man should NOT have joined the violent mob and entered the Capitol . Yes - bad things happen to good people - especially when they PUT THEMSELVES in harms way .
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A hugely insensitive and morally wrong thing to say with people dying fighting for their lives
because of a vendetta against a former President and anyone who supported him.

[bgreene]

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because of a vendetta against a former President and anyone who supported him.

Pipe - you’re really stretching your conspiracy theory rubber band trying to make excuses for trump.
Ukrainians are literally fighting for their country and their lives , and here you are…..safe and secure making excuses for why X President trump of our United States ok to be calling Putin a genius for any reason. Wow

[Pipe_Dream]

Ukrainians are literally fighting for their country and their lives , and here you are…..safe and secure

When are you deploying?

[Pipe_Dream]

Pipe - you’re really stretching your conspiracy theory rubber band trying to make excuses for trump.


I am making no excuses for Trump. But you seem hell bent on making excuses for prosecutorial misconduct.

A friend writes

"Actions have consequences." But most of the time, they do not. What were this man's actions, and what were the consequences? Apparently he walked past helpful policemen, walked around, took pictures, left. These actions had consequences - detention without trial, despair, suicide. If he had been a wealthy grifter, he would have faced no consequences. If you're Joe or Hunter Biden, you can make money, big money, suborning or collaborating with governments; you might even be allowed to walk around and take pictures without being jailed. If you're of the approved class, you can quite literally burn cities, kill people, destroy whatever you want, and you will not be hunted, jailed, prosecuted. You might even be allowed to walk around and take pictures - actions which, according to some, are treasonous and require permanent detention, without bail, without hope of trial. If you are correctly affiliated, you can riot and burn, night after night, forever if need be, and your government will not hunt you down, will not imprison you, will even allow you to walk around and take pictures - all without consequences.

But yes, actions have consequences, sometimes, for some people. So choose better friends and associates, do not keep wrong or unapproved ideas, do not walk around and take pictures, avoid consequences. Above all do not protest your government, not here, not in Canada, not in Russia, not in China. There will be consequences.

[bgreene]

Excuses , and more excuses .

If you run out into traffic and get hit by a car…..it’s mostly your own fault.
Same applies to your nonsense on this topic .

[bgreene]

Jan 6 investigation committee wants the court to force release of documents between trump and lawyer that may be specific to the Jan 6 insurrection.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/politics/trump-criminal-conspiracy-defraud-january-6-committee/index.html

[Destroyer]

Jan 6 investigation committee wants the court to force release of documents between trump and lawyer that may be specific to the Jan 6 insurrection.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/politics/trump-criminal-conspiracy-defraud-january-6-committee/index.html

If they get that it will forever destroy the lawyer/client privilege so entwined in our Constitutional law. The same as a spouse cannot be made to testify against their partner. Just one step closer to communism Comrade. But of course you cannot see that since you're blinded by your hate for President Trump. You're like a sheep being led to slaughter, You just trustingly follow the Judas goat (Democrats)


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[bgreene]

If they get that it will forever destroy the lawyer/client privilege so entwined in our Constitutional law. The same as a spouse cannot be made to testify against their partner. Just one step closer to communism Comrade. But of course you cannot see that since you're blinded by your hate for President Trump. You're like a sheep being led to slaughter, You just trustingly follow the Judas goat (Democrats)


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Just the FACTS about the lying cheating con man traitor trump, nothing more

[bgreene]

Over 780 people have now been charged for participating in the Capitol attack.

And at least 10 have also been charged with attempted Insurrection against our United States Government .

Wow

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1

[Destroyer]

Over 780 people have now been charged for participating in the Capitol attack.

And at least 10 have also been charged with attempted Insurrection against our United States Government .

Wow

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1

So? What, exactly, do you think that proves?

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[bgreene]

So? What, exactly, do you think that proves?

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Says destroyer who claimed there was no insurrection attempt.
Now many FORMALLY CHARGED with Insurrection.

Meaning youre wrong again destroyer as you also tried to minimize one of the most historic events in our nations history by trying to call it the few that got rowdy.

[Destroyer]

Says destroyer who claimed there was no insurrection attempt.
Now many FORMALLY CHARGED with Insurrection.

Meaning youre wrong again destroyer as you also tried to minimize one of the most historic events in our nations history by trying to call it the few that got rowdy.

Okay, ya got me partner.... I'm a going fast <cough> Tell Aunty Emme I said good bye.. <cough>.

I guess I would be remiss if I pointed out that those FORMAL charges only came after almost a year and only after the AG was urged by the Democrats to make such charges because people were saying that no one had been charged with insurrection and so the demonstration could not have been an insurrection attempt and it was blowing holes in the Democrats sham investigation of President Trump's involvement (or lack thereof) in the demonstration.

But believe what you will. You're right, some people have now been charged with that crime.

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[bgreene]

Okay, ya got me partner.... I'm a going fast <cough> Tell Aunty Emme I said good bye.. <cough>.

I guess I would be remiss if I pointed out that those FORMAL charges only came after almost a year and only after the AG was urged by the Democrats to make such charges because people were saying that no one had been charged with insurrection and so the demonstration could not have been an insurrection attempt and it was blowing holes in the Democrats sham investigation of President Trump's involvement (or lack thereof) in the demonstration.

But believe what you will. You're right, some people have now been charged with that crime.

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I don’t just “ believe what I will “ as you write destroyer - I check and follow the FACTS.

Trump supporting violent mob attacked our Capitol Police, smashed into our Capitol with intent to stop the legal transfer of Presidential powers, while also making terroristic threats to kill our Vice President . Attempted insurrection - a major, violent, illegal historical event in our nations history.
Approx 800 people already arrested so far as our Justice System conducts the biggest investigation in our history.
And several now, after careful and legal confirmation - charged with sedition against our nation.

[bgreene]

More perspective on the 7 hour phone silence from Trump .
Why did trump avoid the regular phone on Jan 6 ?
What phones did he use and why ?

https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/bob-woodward-no-phone-calls-in-trump-jan-6-records-but-i-know-personally-trump-is-a-phone-addict-136592965932

[Pipe_Dream]

"More perspective" on a non-issue.

Or don't you believe your own national enquirer any more?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/31/politics/mystery-call-gap-trump-jan-6-white-house-phone-logs/index.html

[bgreene]

"More perspective" on a non-issue.

Or don't you believe your own national enquirer any more?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/31/politics/mystery-call-gap-trump-jan-6-white-house-phone-logs/index.html

CNN …..solid and fair reporting - as usual

[Destroyer]

CNN …..solid and fair reporting - as usual

Ahhhh... so you admit that you were wrong and that there were no missing 7 hours like you would have had us believe?

.

[bgreene]

Destroyer - ugly comes to mind as a word describing you.

Your vulgar cursing rants , your posting gimmicks, your lies

[Pipe_Dream]

CNN …..solid and fair reporting

Reporting which contradicts everything that you wrote this thread about. Or didn't you notice?

[bgreene]

Jan 6 Capitol Insurrection stands as the greatest violent insult and risk yo our democracy since the civil war.
Encouraged and abetted by the lying cheating con traitor trump.


CNN reports of possible reasons why White House phones used or not just a matter of fair reporting and changes nothing about that event - trumps deliberate negligence to stop it, and his sleezy lawyer Guilliani

[Pipe_Dream]

Again, you never acknowledge your mistakes. SAD.

[bgreene]

Mistake is that trumps not yet in prison for his role in the attack on our democracy

[Pipe_Dream]

Mistakes are that many plead guilty to avoid trials. Prediction is that more will go to trial with this news.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/us/politics/matthew-martin-capitol-acquittal.html

Judge Finds Man Not Guilty in First Jan. 6 Acquittal

The defendant, Matthew Martin, had claimed the police let him into the Capitol during last year***8217;s pro-Trump riot. The judge agreed.

A federal judge decided on Wednesday that a former government contractor from New Mexico who claimed that the police let him into the Capitol during last year***8217;s pro-Trump riot was not guilty of four petty offenses, the first acquittal connected to the sprawling investigation of the attack. Ruling in favor of the defense, Judge Trevor N. McFadden said he found it plausible that Mr. Martin believed the police had let him in and thus had not knowingly gone into the building improperly. Judge McFadden acquitted Mr. Martin of four misdemeanors: entering and remaining in a restricted building; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building; violent entry and disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; and parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building.

Not everything is black and white, as some would have you believe.

[bgreene]

And to you that means more than what was ?

To you that means “ fire up the excuses “ for the violent mob that attacked our police, smashed their way into the Capitol making terroristic threats to kill our Vice President .

Ok so one guy got a pass for entering the Capitol that day .

Me- I stick with the overall TRUTH and FACTS about what occurred that day.

[Destroyer]

And to you that means more than what was ?

To you that means ***8220; fire up the excuses ***8220; for the violent mob that attacked our police, smashed their way into the Capitol making terroristic threats to kill our Vice President .

Ok so one guy got a pass for entering the Capitol that day .

Me- I stick with the overall TRUTH and FACTS about what occurred that day.

You just don't get it do you. The guy said the police LET HIM INTO THE BUILDING. Do you really think that just ONE guy was let into the building by the police? For once in your life actually THINK instead of just repeating your masters party line lies over and over.

.

[bgreene]

Overall …….the violent attack on our Capitol perpetrated by trump supporters, many of whom pleaded guilty, many getting criminal sentences, many of whom said - trump told them to do it

Those that may seize on judge decision not to charge select attendees as EXCUSE for what occurred should :
1. watch the actual footage of our police being attacked
2. be ashamed to discredit what happened

Of course I know some people will choose excuses and select examples to try and cover up the truth about horrible historical events such as this .

[bgreene]

You celebrate the mans acquittal by trump appointed judge.

MEANWHILE FACT IS The Capitol assault resulted in one of the worst days of injuries for law enforcement in the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

About 140 officers — 73 from the Capitol Police and 65 from the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington — were injured, the departments have said.

They ranged from bruises and lacerations to more serious damage such as concussions, rib fractures, burns and even a mild heart attack.

[Pipe_Dream]

You celebrate the mans acquittal

I celebrate acquittals of innocent people.

[bgreene]

I celebrate acquittals of innocent people.


“ innocent “ not likely …..what kind of fool relishes in entering our capitol associated with a violent riot . An idiot

[scook]

That would be a legitimate protester - the person who can’t understand that is the idiot.

[Pipe_Dream]

That would be a legitimate protester - the person who can’t understand that is the idiot.

Careful. Bgreene will be wanting to meet you in a park.

[bgreene]

Careful. Bgreene will be wanting to meet you in a park.

Absolutely - to see what people who want America to become a dictatorship are like in person.
But wait…….I’ve seen that face - it’s Donald trump !!

[scook]

The face representing that pursuit is that of Joe Biden. He’s repeatedly and proudly, defiantly ignored Supreme Court decisions and is almost certainly a criminal in complicity with his son(s), having egregiously enriched himself and abused his power for years.

But you go ahead and continue being an ignorant, starry eyed Biden/democrat follower - continue supporting the left as they actively promote ANTIFA, BLM and rampant lawlessness tearing down the country, injuring a massively greater number of police officers than anything on Nov 6, kill and bankrupt, disproportionately people of color, and on and on.

[bgreene]

The face representing that pursuit is that of Joe Biden. He***8217;s repeatedly and proudly, defiantly ignored Supreme Court decisions and is almost certainly a criminal in complicity with his son(s), having egregiously enriched himself and abused his power for years.

But you go ahead and continue being an ignorant, starry eyed Biden/democrat follower - continue supporting the left as they actively promote ANTIFA, BLM and rampant lawlessness tearing down the country, injuring a massively greater number of police officers than anything on Nov 6, kill and bankrupt, disproportionately people of color, and on and on.

Al Gore Bush was extremely close Gore conceded the loss
Hillary Trump was very close Hillary conceded the loss

Trump Biden was NOT close by and all the departments that re checked the results INCLUDING trumps own audits re close reconfirmed Biden won.
And yet the lying cheating dictator wanna be traitor trump refuses to accept this FACT .

Im not ignorant as you call me scook - I support the facts and the truth

[scook]

Not so interested in the facts and truth I just posted and to which you provided not a single word of response.

While you’re going off on Destroyer repeatedly, incessantly, ad nauseam, consider the frustration any reasonable person would feel after responding with care, research, rationality and honesty, to your absurd posts, only to have his posts ignored, to be met with deflection and irrational nonsense. You behaved consistently as he described you - I might have chosen different words but in view of the egregiousness of your dishonest and arrogant behavior, I have to agree that you earned the designation.

None of this has to do with being Trump lovers, starry eyed or otherwise - it has 100% to do with you behaving like an intellectually dishonest jackass. I made a concerted effort to engage you in honest, productive discussion, but you weren’t having any of that. It would be a good thing for you to try to see yourself as others see you.

[bgreene]

Jan 6 investigation may deliver legally binding evidence linking trumps words and actions to supporting the insurrection.

Based on the public data it sure seems a solid case.

[scook]

Couldn’t ask for a more perfect example.

[bgreene]

Couldn’t ask for a more perfect example.

Again ambiguous post from you scook.

Me - I post clarity of message - direct, to the point.

Back to the Jan 6 Insurrection attempt…….Trumps devious messaging and action / inaction that day not good. Not good at all.

[scook]

If you think that’s ambiguous, you should read others’ posts more carefully. You provide an endless string of posts that are 100% non responsive - it is your standard procedure and pretty much everyone has pointed it out many, many times.

This is yet another example.

[bgreene]

If you think that’s ambiguous, you should read others’ posts more carefully. You provide an endless string of posts that are 100% non responsive - it is your standard procedure and pretty much everyone has pointed it out many, many times.

This is yet another example.

WRONG
I reply to most every comment .

This thread ref Jan 6 2021 …..when hundreds of trump supporters attacked our police, mostly smashed their way into our Capitol with intent to stop the Presidential transfer of powers with some making terroristic threats to hang our Vice President .

All encouraged by Trump ( who tweeted be there- be wild) and Rudy Gilliani telling a crowd to have “ trial by combat” hours before the attack.

[scook]

You reply, but your replies are almost always not responsive to the post you’re “replying to”. When you know you’re wrong, you simple deflect, usually by just repeating one of your talking points (which are in most cases ludicrously biased nonsense).

[bgreene]

You reply, but your replies are almost always not responsive to the post you’re “replying to”. When you know you’re wrong, you simple deflect, usually by just repeating one of your talking points (which are in most cases ludicrously biased nonsense).

Oh good grief Charlie Brown stop complaining .
I’m hardly ever wrong because I fact check before posting .

[bgreene]

This thread ref Jan 6 2021 …..when hundreds of trump supporters attacked our police, mostly smashed their way into our Capitol with intent to stop the Presidential transfer of powers with some making terroristic threats to hang our Vice President .

All encouraged by Trump ( who tweeted be there- be wild) and Rudy Gilliani telling a crowd to have “ trial by combat” hours before the attack.

[scook]

You just keep avoiding the subject of posts that address you directly and keep repeating your talking points, over and over and over.

[bgreene]

You just keep avoiding the subject of posts that address you directly and keep repeating your talking points, over and over and over.

What scook ?

What is it you want to discuss ? This threads about the Jan 6 attack on our Capitol

[scook]

Let’s see, you directly accuse me of wanting America to become a dictatorship and I point out that Biden and his mob are doing exactly that, not Trump now or in the past, and I’m getting off topic. Part an actual discussion I’d getting pushback when you make absurd statements, this one sounding pretty dishonest as well.

[bgreene]

Let’s see, you directly accuse me of wanting America to become a dictatorship and I point out that Biden and his mob are doing exactly that, not Trump now or in the past, and I’m getting off topic. Part an actual discussion I’d getting pushback when you make absurd statements, this one sounding pretty dishonest as well.

Oh you think Bidens trying to become a dictator ?
This should be good - how ?

[scook]

Good grief - go back and read my posts - proudly and arrogantly ignoring Supreme Court rulings (already pointed out several times).

[bgreene]

Good grief - go back and read my posts - proudly and arrogantly ignoring Supreme Court rulings (already pointed out several times).

IMO a poor excuse for the realities of trumps March towards eliminating our democracy
Try dealing with the REALITY of Trumps election LIE and what that really means

[scook]

It’s no excuse, just the fact that Biden is practicing dictatorship at every opportunity. One specific example is his issuance of executive order and then trying through, I believe it was CDC, again with an order to extend the time renters could tell their landlords to whistle for their rent (whether or not they were employed and completely able to pay). That order was in effect when I attended a landlord’s seminar where the lawyer said that in spite of Biden’s order, there was NO moratorium on evictions. His order, which he knew was illegal and bragged that he was doing it anyway could not be enforced. It was an opportunity for him to pander to his base and CHEAT landlords while the original order was adjudicated.

Another category is his constant, not remotely effective, unconstitutional, illegal executive order campaign through ATFE rules to diminish 2nd amendment protections. That’s something Hitler made sure to do, along with the Chinese communists and every other dictatorships - take all of the guns away from the citizenry, which is clearly the goal of the left.

There is legitimate question as to whether it is a lie - you disagree with that, but I think it is still a question that hasn’t been fully and honestly answered (and never will be). As to his “march” toward eliminating democracy, you ignore the many safeguards there are to prevent that, even if it were his goal, which I think is a very extreme OPINION on the part of the left.

[bgreene]

It***8217;s no excuse, just the fact that Biden is practicing dictatorship at every opportunity. One specific example is his issuance of executive order and then trying through, I believe it was CDC, again with an order to extend the time renters could tell their landlords to whistle for their rent (whether or not they were employed and completely able to pay). That order was in effect when I attended a landlord***8217;s seminar where the lawyer said that in spite of Biden***8217;s order, there was NO moratorium on evictions. His order, which he knew was illegal and bragged that he was doing it anyway could not be enforced. It was an opportunity for him to pander to his base and CHEAT landlords while the original order was adjudicated.

Another category is his constant, not remotely effective, unconstitutional, illegal executive order campaign through ATFE rules to diminish 2nd amendment protections. That***8217;s something Hitler made sure to do, along with the Chinese communists and every other dictatorships - take all of the guns away from the citizenry, which is clearly the goal of the left.

There is legitimate question as to whether it is a lie - you disagree with that, but I think it is still a question that hasn***8217;t been fully and honestly answered (and never will be). As to his ***8220;march***8221; toward eliminating democracy, you ignore the many safeguards there are to prevent that, even if it were his goal, which I think is a very extreme OPINION on he part of the left.

I cant stop trumpers from playing their oh that didnt really happen games
And their thats not what Trump really meant games
And trumpers excuses about what trump said about POWs and KIAs
And trumpers who cheer and boo on command from trump no matter if true
I cant stop those who believe the election lie despite huge amount of data otherwise
And I cant stop trumpism from returning so he can play KING of America and use our country as his own toy
But I can and will continue to FACT CHECK, follow the TRUTH and vote accordingly

[scook]

If you were a truth sniffing dog, we’d have to agree “that dog won’t hunt”.

[bgreene]

If you were a truth sniffing dog, we’d have to agree “that dog won’t hunt”.

The clever insults of a man who refuses the truth

[scook]

It looks like your incapability of responding to what is posted has returned in full force.

On another subject, your “fact checking” using far left, deeply biased and just plain dishonest sources, believing their lies and disinformation makes your “fact checking”, well, NOT fact checking.

[bgreene]

It looks like your incapability of responding to what is posted has returned in full force.

On another subject, your “fact checking” using far left, deeply biased and just plain dishonest sources, believing their lies and disinformation makes your “fact checking”, well, NOT fact checking.

A. I responded a few times

B. You’re in denial mode as usual - as if you can eliminate the FACTS of trumps lies just by discrediting the source. Well , Trump taught you well since that’s exactly what he does.

[scook]

When the source is dishonest, it’s not the truth. I read the link, and no you don’t respond.

Are you seriously going to call Trump saying they were building his wall a lie, because the specs changed from his original design idea? How about limiting your response to that? That might be an actual response.

[bgreene]

Jan 6, 2021 it happened scook and all your excuses wont change anything

[scook]

If you can read this recent exchange and claim your replies to be responsive, or find anything even resembling an excuse, you are not, as you claim to be, an educated person.

[bgreene]

Trump - be there be wild

Guiliani - trial by combat

Trump led insurrection attempt against our own government and against our democracy .

[scook]

Wow, you are able to tirelessly avoid direct responses and instead insert your far left biased interpretations of statements, which clearly don’t mean what you represent them to mean in place of honest discussion. And then the lie about it being a “Trump led insurrection attempt”. At least you’re consistent.

[bgreene]

Wow, you are able to tirelessly avoid direct responses and instead insert your far left biased interpretations of statements, which clearly don’t mean what you represent them to mean in place of honest discussion. And then the lie about it being a “Trump led insurrection attempt”. At least you’re consistent.

You haven’t even accepted what happened .
Just denials

[scook]

I have very accurately accepted what happened and acknowledged the bad part. I have not mindlessly troweled a catastrophic manic response over the whole thing as you continue to do.

[bgreene]

I have very accurately accepted what happened and acknowledged the bad part. I have not mindlessly troweled a catastrophic manic response over the whole thing as you continue to do.

If you’ve very accurately accepted what the trump followers did at our Capitol on Jan 6, 2021 that’s honorable. As we all know people didn’t “ just get rowdy” there - they violently attacked our Capitol Police injuring many .

[Destroyer]

If you’ve very accurately accepted what the trump followers did at our Capitol on Jan 6, 2021 that’s honorable. As we all know people didn’t “ just get rowdy” there - they violently attacked our Capitol Police injuring many .

"SOME" people got rowdy. (Less that 4%) However the overwhelming majority of the people that demonstrated that day (Well over 20,000) did not turn violent. They demonstrated peacefully. As for injuries, I wonder how Ashi feels about that? We should ask her. Oh wait, we can't because she was murdered by one of those innocent Capital Policemen, even though she was unarmed and presented no threat.

[bgreene]

Same excuses from the same denier - nothing to see here .

Over 140 Capitol Police injured , some seriously .
Violent mob with scaffold to hang our Vice President .
It goes on and on denier .

They didn’t get “ rowdy “ - they VIOLENTLY attacked our police with intent to commit insurrection while making terrorist threats to kill our 2nd in command .

Destroyer - I really find you a despicable person .
All your hypocritical posts , slander of me, etc .
Just so you know.
And this is not a personal insult - it’s my opinion of you based on YOUR POSTS TO ME .

[scook]

So it’s your assertion that because “some” (a microscopically small percentage) of Trump’s followers said he told them to do it (though that statement is completely without basis in fact), and he didn’t intervene as quickly as me might have, he should be prosecuted and is a traitor.

By that reasoning, you would have to vigorously support the prosecution of members of congress and others who were funding bail for violent domestic terrorists (to get them quickly back on the streets) attacking and injuring police, citizens, businesses, public facilities, etc. all over the country, actively encouraging the lawlessness directly responsible for hundreds of murders and billions of dollars of damage.

No? That’s you demonstrating the definition of hypocrisy.

[Destroyer]

Destroyer - I really find you a despicable person .
All your hypocritical posts , slander of me, etc .
Just so you know.
And this is not a personal insult - it***8217;s my opinion of you based on YOUR POSTS TO ME .

Awww.... I'm hurt Greene. And here I thought we were friends...:you:

Of course, it is funny that you think I made hypocritical posts since a hypocrite is someone that says one thing but does another. I think I've always been fairly consistent in my feelings and anything I've posted. I've always provided links to anything I've stated whenever asked to, unlike some people that just change the subject. And when have I ever slandered you? I may have called you names, but I've never accused you of anything illegal. I've never made a false and damaging statement about you.

As to me personally, how you feel about me is irrelevant to me. Unfortunately, I cannot say what I think about you since I'm sure it would involve a lot of name calling but to be sure it would not be complementary. In fact I think I have already accurately described how I feel about you in another post so there's no real need to repeat myself.

Might I point out one thing though. You seem to take everything said in this forum as a personal insult if anyone disagrees with you. While it is true that a lot of personal insults have been traded back and forth, I think you have missed the real object of this particular thread, which is to exchange ideas on political subjects. I don't really care what you think about me, as I'm sure you don't care what I think about you. And that's as it should be since this is not a popularity contest.

It is however, a forum to exchange political viewpoints and as soon as you cross the line and start making personal insults instead of valid points it weakens your entire stance. (and that includes everyone here) That includes repeating the same thing over and over ad nauseum.

Just some friendly (no really, friendly) advice.

.

[bgreene]

Awww.... I'm hurt Greene. And here I thought we were friends...:you:

Of course, it is funny that you think I made hypocritical posts since a hypocrite is someone that says one thing but does another. I think I've always been fairly consistent in my feelings and anything I've posted. I've always provided links to anything I've stated whenever asked to, unlike some people that just change the subject. And when have I ever slandered you? I may have called you names, but I've never accused you of anything illegal. I've never made a false and damaging statement about you.

As to me personally, how you feel about me is irrelevant to me. Unfortunately, I cannot say what I think about you since I'm sure it would involve a lot of name calling but to be sure it would not be complementary. In fact I think I have already accurately described how I feel about you in another post so there's no real need to repeat myself.

Might I point out one thing though. You seem to take everything said in this forum as a personal insult if anyone disagrees with you. While it is true that a lot of personal insults have been traded back and forth, I think you have missed the real object of this particular thread, which is to exchange ideas on political subjects. I don't really care what you think about me, as I'm sure you don't care what I think about you. And that's as it should be since this is not a popularity contest.

It is however, a forum to exchange political viewpoints and as soon as you cross the line and start making personal insults instead of valid points it weakens your entire stance. (and that includes everyone here) That includes repeating the same thing over and over ad nauseum.

Just some friendly (no really, friendly) advice.

.

WRONG AGAIN
To me - realistic disagreement and insults are very very different .
You blatantly cursed me out , and deny it .
So you’re opinions of ME are meaningless to me.
You should turn to HONEST SELF ANALYSIS instead of constantly posturing on this site .

[scook]

Actually, Destroyer isn’t wrong at all.

If you understand the difference between realistic disagreement and insults, why do you respond to disagreement, and even a simple answer to a question you have asked, with insults, condescension or ignoring it altogether? I’m curious if you were ever planning to respond to my answer to your question regarding what freedoms we’ve lost?

He owned what he said, apologized for using words that you claim are offensive to you, and honestly, and I think accurately, said that he feels he correctly described your behavior.

Where did you get the idea that the opinion of you expressed by someone “cursing you out” is meaningless? If someone feels strongly enough to use strong language describing your behavior, you would benefit from listening carefully to try to understand what brought it on. When someone has abandoned cordiality, they probably have valuable feedback for you.

Honest self analysis is something you should be doing. Your obtuse behavior has been pointed out to you in different ways by several people here and like your response to other things you don’t agree with, you ignore or reply with insults and condescension.

Your “pushing buttons” and need to be right read quite convincingly as posturing.

[bgreene]

Actually, Destroyer isn’t wrong at all.

If you understand the difference between realistic disagreement and insults, why do you respond to disagreement, and even a simple answer to a question you have asked, with insults, condescension or ignoring it altogether? I’m curious if you were ever planning to respond to my answer to your question regarding what freedoms we’ve lost?

He owned what he said, apologized for using words that you claim are offensive to you, and honestly, and I think accurately, said that he feels he correctly described your behavior.

Where did you get the idea that the opinion of you expressed by someone “cursing you out” is meaningless? If someone feels strongly enough to use strong language describing your behavior, you would benefit from listening carefully to try to understand what brought it on. When someone has abandoned cordiality, they probably have valuable feedback for you.

Honest self analysis is something you should be doing. Your obtuse behavior has been pointed out to you in different ways by several people here and like your response to other things you don’t agree with, you ignore or reply with insults and condescension.

Your “pushing buttons” and need to be right read quite convincingly as posturing.

Leave it alone, stop stirring the pot .

[Pipe_Dream]

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b27b9fedcf0870ca14a8ac825040913f0b9062f3a5b1351e4c ee3e2d78cb3247.jpg?w=600&h=259

[Destroyer]

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b27b9fedcf0870ca14a8ac825040913f0b9062f3a5b1351e4c ee3e2d78cb3247.jpg?w=600&h=259

:haha:

[scook]

Not stirring the pot, just pointing out that your response to Destroyer is WRONG, as you're so fond of saying, and not giving you a pass on the false, pot stirring nonsense you post.

[bgreene]

Awww.... I'm hurt Greene. And here I thought we were friends...:you:

Of course, it is funny that you think I made hypocritical posts since a hypocrite is someone that says one thing but does another. I think I've always been fairly consistent in my feelings and anything I've posted. I've always provided links to anything I've stated whenever asked to, unlike some people that just change the subject. And when have I ever slandered you? I may have called you names, but I've never accused you of anything illegal. I've never made a false and damaging statement about you.

As to me personally, how you feel about me is irrelevant to me. Unfortunately, I cannot say what I think about you since I'm sure it would involve a lot of name calling but to be sure it would not be complementary. In fact I think I have already accurately described how I feel about you in another post so there's no real need to repeat myself.

Might I point out one thing though. You seem to take everything said in this forum as a personal insult if anyone disagrees with you. While it is true that a lot of personal insults have been traded back and forth, I think you have missed the real object of this particular thread, which is to exchange ideas on political subjects. I don't really care what you think about me, as I'm sure you don't care what I think about you. And that's as it should be since this is not a popularity contest.

It is however, a forum to exchange political viewpoints and as soon as you cross the line and start making personal insults instead of valid points it weakens your entire stance. (and that includes everyone here) That includes repeating the same thing over and over ad nauseum.

Just some friendly (no really, friendly) advice.

.

1. Repeating requests - drop this and stop stirring the pot of trouble .

2. Gas prices had previously plummeted associated with the covid related drop on demand.
The REPUBLICAN supporting big oil companies such as EXXON-MOBIL were not pleased - but they’re very happy now with high fuel prices.

[Destroyer]

1. Repeating requests - drop this and stop stirring the pot of trouble .

2. Gas prices had previously plummeted associated with the covid related drop on demand.
The REPUBLICAN supporting big oil companies such as EXXON-MOBIL were not pleased - but they’re very happy now with high fuel prices.

Hmmm... just to be clear. You're saying that the increased gas prices that started within days of Biden taking office are just a coincidence and not his fault?

.

[scook]

That is a perfect example of the despicable, partisan, dishonest and deeply destructive perversion of the justice system. THAT is the Nazi style fasciast persecution, so heartily supported and encouraged, actually celebrated by bgreene.

[scook]

My last post refers to the obit for the guy who was persecuted to death. Can't find that thread, so following on here. Notwithstanding bgreen's pathetic walking back, excuse ridden response, this is exactly what he celebrates. The last time it came up about a guy pursued by the FBI for being ushered in by the police, he labeled him an "idiot" - for participating in a peaceful demonstration.

Never any concern for the huge number of deaths, injuries and massive property destruction and financial ruin to families directly resulting from the far, far left agenda he supports. His hypocrisy and political hackery are epic.

[bgreene]

My last post refers to the obit for the guy who was persecuted to death. Can't find that thread, so following on here. Notwithstanding bgreen's pathetic walking back, excuse ridden response, this is exactly what he celebrates. The last time it came up about a guy pursued by the FBI for being ushered in by the police, he labeled him an "idiot" - for participating in a peaceful demonstration.

Never any concern for the huge number of deaths, injuries and massive property destruction and financial ruin to families directly resulting from the far, far left agenda he supports. His hypocrisy and political hackery are epic.

“ pathetic “ says scook regarding the FACTS of what the trump supporting violent mob did - and attempted to do at our Capitol on Jan 6, 2021.

A violent insurrection attempt against our United States Government .

[scook]

It’s hard to imagine anyone reading my post and coming up with that. Unable to engage with intellectual honesty - very consistent.

[Pipe_Dream]

It’s hard to imagine anyone reading my post and coming up with that. Unable to engage with intellectual honesty - very consistent.

He's nothing if not consistent.



Consistent :bsflag:

[bgreene]

JUNE, 2022
The FACTS and DATA regarding Trumps direct involvement with INSURRECTION attempt will be released.


https://www.newsweek.com/jamie-raskin-says-june-hearings-will-expose-every-facet-insurrection-1702364

[scook]

Reminiscent of the democrats saying they had absolute proof of Russian collusion during those phony, dishonest hearings. I think I’ll wait to see if they remain true to their status quo of political lying.

[bgreene]

Reminiscent of the democrats saying they had absolute proof of Russian collusion during those phony, dishonest hearings. I think I’ll wait to see if they remain true to their status quo of political lying.

Remember trumps announcement that he had absolute proof Obama was not an America citizen ? He had nothing.

[scook]

The difference is that he was goading Obama, during a campaign, to produce evidence of his citizenship, which as I recall wasn’t particularly convincing. Nuance isn’t your strong suit.

[bgreene]

The difference is that he was goading Obama, during a campaign, to produce evidence of his citizenship, which as I recall wasn’t particularly convincing. Nuance isn’t your strong suit.

Insults is your “ strong suit “ , that and denial

[bgreene]

Insults is your strong suit , that and denial

And nice try at spinning the facts - fact is trump said he was going to present absolute proof Obama was not a USA born citizen - and trump presented nothing .

[scook]

That’s pretty simplistic thinking.

[bgreene]

That’s pretty simplistic thinking.

No scook - that’s what trump SAID .

Trump said he had absolute proof Obama wasn’t born on American land - and then trump presented NOTHING .

Nothing simplistic about it - just the FACT .

[scook]

The simplistic part is your thinking, which is why you understand nothing of the dynamics of the situations you so confidently profess your opinions about.

[bgreene]

The simplistic part is your thinking, which is why you understand nothing of the dynamics of the situations you so confidently profess your opinions about.

“ dynamics of the situation” scook uses as excuse for Trump again, and again …..
boring

[scook]

If you can’t appreciate the difference between a campaign statement, meant to squeeze something out of your opponent, who by the way was abjectly lying about Trump at the time, and flagrant lies from sitting members of congress, knowing full well that they were lying about the president, regarding an official (but fraudulent) investigation they were conducting, you don’t have the intellectual horsepower to conduct a reasonable of discussion.

I don’t make excuses for anyone.

[bgreene]

If you can’t appreciate the difference between a campaign statement, meant to squeeze something out of your opponent, who by the way was abjectly lying about Trump at the time, and flagrant lies from sitting members of congress, knowing full well that they were lying about the president, regarding an official (but fraudulent) investigation they were conducting, you don’t have the intellectual horsepower to conduct a reasonable of discussion.

I don’t make excuses for anyone.

“ no intellectual horsepower “ says scook .
Hahahaha now you are funny - you’re a funny guy !!

[scook]

You’ll probably know when I’m being funny. I’m very seriously concerned about the horrible condition of the country, and able to look at the larger picture. I’m disgusted by the destructiveness of the far left’s agenda and their idiotic lack of understanding of the consequences of what they’re doing. These are the people you support and make excuses for, e.g. Biden and his influencers.

They spend enormous amounts of money irresponsibly at levels we won’t be able to legitimately repay.

They press sexual agendas that are far from reasonable, project them on children FAR to young for such things to be remotely age appropriate, arrogantly declare that parents need to butt out and enlist the FBI to investigate parents complaining at school board meetings as domestic terrorists. They force an insanely liberal viewpoint down the throats of students and ridicule any student who dares to challenge the propaganda.

They adopt what you accuse Trump of wanting to do - a truth commission. Square that with the Constitution you profess to value deeply.

They actively support chronic violence and destruction by far left groups, e.g. BLM and ANTIFA. I don’t know about your area, but here in Portland and spilling out to previously VERY safe surrounding communities, crime is rampant and filthy, unsafe homeless camps are spreading.

They gleefully squashed our energy independence, leaving us at the mercy of the Russians, Saudis, Venezuelans, Iran, pretty much all of the oil producers who hate us and want us all dead. But, hey, let’s make fossil fuel energy so expensive that everyone buys electric cars - the little people who actually die of cold in the winter because they can’t afford heating fuel, even if many of them are democrats, are expendable. It’s fine to tax the poor egregiously with their inflation policies.

If you don’t see what the people you support are doing to the country, you truly don’t have the intellectual horsepower to be part of the discussion and certainly not part of the solution.

You keep up your good work, obsessing over Trump’s, Republican’s and conservative’s flaws, completely ignoring the glaring, traitorous, dishonest, destructive behavior of the people in power right now, who you support. I’ll be grateful for, flawed as he may be, Trump’s overall excellent execution of the presidency, Elon Musk for stepping up in an epic way to protect free speech and rational, honest, non-far left people in and running for office and all of us voting for them all over the country.

[bgreene]

For a guy who claimed to be “ too busy doing real work” to view the news on McCarthys lie - you sure have enough time to post non stop.
Me - I don’t make excuses .

Yes, Trump was reportedly very angry about the riots in the wake of George Floyd’s murder by police . He reportedly wanted to send in our military to end it .
He said he was the “ law and order President .”

Then, when he LOST the election, he encouraged the violence that occurred at our Capitol, and purposefully delayed and delayed for hours speaking up to HIS followers to stop the attack.
Trumps ONLY law and order for his agenda and will encourage Americans to attack each other for HIS agenda .

[scook]

For a guy who doesn’t make excuses, you’ve sure made enough of them for Biden.

Trump was very much a law and order president - he sent federal agents to protect federal facilities and the lives of federal employees when Portland political hacks wouldn’t ALLOW our local police to provide ANY protection and deputized state and local law enforcement officers as federal agents to assist. The local despicable hacks howled like squashed cats and now, in the officer shortage crisis caused by their defunding, disrespecting and prosecuting the police they are lying about what happened in an attempt to rehire Portland officers who retired early to get out of the dishonest, malicious mess they had made of the police bureau. But they still classify those who “helped the fed’s attack our citizens” ineligible for rehire - yes, Trump was a law and order president in the face of your people abandoning honest, useful, non-violent citizens to the far left terrorists and criminal opportunists.

Did he encourage a vigorous demonstration, certainly. Did he direct his supporters to use violence, absurd. Go ahead and re-quote “fight like hell” a phrase so common in politics that taking it the way you do is mindless. Should he have spoken up more quickly, I think probably so, but neither you nor I know the particulars of what really went on, in spite of draconian “reports” by far left biased sources. I fault him for probably losing the two Georgia Senate seats by making his appearance there more about the election than the fact that we badly needed those seats to stop the destructive democrat agenda and appointment of radically liberal Supreme Court justices. He’s not perfect, nor is anyone else, but your picture of him is off the rails inaccurate and dishonest.

[bgreene]

For a guy who doesn’t make excuses, you’ve sure made enough of them for Biden.

Trump was very much a law and order president - he sent federal agents to protect federal facilities and the lives of federal employees when Portland political hacks wouldn’t ALLOW our local police to provide ANY protection and deputized state and local law enforcement officers as federal agents to assist. The local despicable hacks howled like squashed cats and now, in the officer shortage crisis caused by their defunding, disrespecting and prosecuting the police they are lying about what happened in an attempt to rehire Portland officers who retired early to get out of the dishonest, malicious mess they had made of the police bureau. But they still classify those who “helped the fed’s attack our citizens” ineligible for rehire - yes, Trump was a law and order president in the face of your people abandoning honest, useful, non-violent citizens to the far left terrorists and criminal opportunists.

Did he encourage a vigorous demonstration, certainly. Did he direct his supporters to use violence, absurd. Go ahead and re-quote “fight like hell” a phrase so common in politics that taking it the way you do is mindless. Should he have spoken up more quickly, I think probably so, but neither you nor I know the particulars of what really went on, in spite of draconian “reports” by far left biased sources. I fault him for probably losing the two Georgia Senate seats by making his appearance there more about the election than the fact that we badly needed those seats to stop the destructive democrat agenda and appointment of radically liberal Supreme Court justices. He’s not perfect, nor is anyone else, but your picture of him is off the rails inaccurate and dishonest.

“ Off the rails and dishonest opinion of trump says scook “
Our Capitol was under attack, police being attacked, mob making terroristic threats to kill our Vice President of our United States …the mob was inside our Capitol searching for Pence and others, .and trump refused to speak up to stop the violence for hours.
We know this is a FACT . Republican officers and even his children were begging trump to speak up and he would not till the extreme damage and injury done.
Trump WANTED them to stop the transfer of Presidency by violence

And you scook continue the excuses for trump .

[bgreene]

Trump wanted force used to stop the George Floyd killing protests and related riots .
Trump wanted force used for protestors at his rallies .

But trump didn’t do anything to stop the violent attack at our Capitol .
What does that tell you ? You know exactly .

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/opinions/trump-talk-of-violence-dantonio/index.html

[Pipe_Dream]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/opinions/trump-talk-of-violence-dantonio/index.html

https://youtu.be/zdvIzW4bIOg

[bgreene]

https://youtu.be/zdvIzW4bIOg

Hah “ opinion man “ Nope - it’s what happened on Jan 6 as trump reveled in watching HIS supporters storm our government as he watched on TV.
And yeh he was a little pissed that his people looked so “ low class “ as he said , but hey many of them are now in JAIL for him …..same as SOOOOO MANY OTHERS who were on the Trump camp doing his dirty deeds.

You, scook and destroyer should all take a day off from work to stand out in the rain at a trump rally in support of the lying cheating con man traitor - he loves you for it - but not really .
If you disagreed with anything he’d slander you all as “ losers, nobodies, and total disasters “

[scook]

You should take a month off and see if you can get your jackassery under control. There is therapy for your kind of obsession, but you'd have to actually engage in the process for it to be beneficial.

[bgreene]

You should take a month off and see if you can get your jackassery under control. There is therapy for your kind of obsession, but you'd have to actually engage in the process for it to be beneficial.

What I wrote is actually accurate about trump and how he feels about anyone who doesn’t support him

[scook]

I'm acquainted with his ego - the jackassery comment was addressing your disrespectful reference about Destroyer and myself.

[bgreene]

Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor

[scook]

And your record is broken, playing your OPINION over and over, ad nauseam.

[Pipe_Dream]

Hah “ opinion man “ Nope - it’s what happened on Jan 6 as trump reveled in watching HIS supporters storm our government as he watched on TV.

You, scook and destroyer should all take a day off from work to stand out in the rain at a trump rally

Hah, yes it’s an OPINION piece. Says so right at the top, so...

I’ve never been to a Trump rally, or any other politician’s rally for that matter. But I might consider going to a rally for anyone that runs against the current lying cheating con man traitor to our nation pResident.

[bgreene]

Hah, yes it’s an OPINION piece. Says so right at the top, so...

I’ve never been to a Trump rally, or any other politician’s rally for that matter. But I might consider going to a rally for anyone that runs against the current lying cheating con man traitor to our nation pResident.

Opinion ? Really ? Ok tell that to the approx 140 capitol police injured by the violent Trump mob that attacked them .
While trump the so called “ law and order “ man did nothing for hours while his people are on record begging him to speak up .

You guys pretend that didn’t happen or was just ok.

[Destroyer]

Opinion ? Really ? Ok tell that to the approx 140 capitol police injured by the violent Trump mob that attacked them .
While trump the so called “ law and order “ man did nothing for hours while his people are on record begging him to speak up .

You guys pretend that didn’t happen or was just ok.

You keep harping on that 140 Capital police were injured statistic. Where is the proof of that and what were their injuries? Were they hurt bby flying rocks like during the summer democrat riots? No? Well then were they hurt by the flying municipal grade fireworks like the police were during the summer Democrat riots? no? Well then surly they must have been hurt by some of the bricks that were placed on pallets before the demonstration like the summer Democrat riots, right? Still no? Well then were they hurt by sticks and bats wielded by the demonstrators like during the summer democrat riots? No? Well what exactly were these grievous injuries that they sustained? What was the most severe injury? Hmmm... oh yes, I remember..... an unarmed woman that presented no danger was trying to look thru a window and was murdered by a thug masquerading as a policeman. The fact is most of the injuries that were reported were either incidents of police being stepped on or being hit with Bear repellant. Not exactly your assault with a deadly weapon type of injury like during the summer democrat led riots.

So stop with the poor capital policemen that got some bumps and bruises. They don't qualify as injuries except in the minds of political hacks trying to gin up any excuse they can to keep President trump from running again in 2024.

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[bgreene]

You keep harping on that 140 Capital police were injured statistic. Where is the proof of that and what were their injuries? Were they hurt bby flying rocks like during the summer democrat riots? No? Well then were they hurt by the flying municipal grade fireworks like the police were during the summer Democrat riots? no? Well then surly they must have been hurt by some of the bricks that were placed on pallets before the demonstration like the summer Democrat riots, right? Still no? Well then were they hurt by sticks and bats wielded by the demonstrators like during the summer democrat riots? No? Well what exactly were these grievous injuries that they sustained? What was the most severe injury? Hmmm... oh yes, I remember..... an unarmed woman that presented no danger was trying to look thru a window and was murdered by a thug masquerading as a policeman. The fact is most of the injuries that were reported were either incidents of police being stepped on or being hit with Bear repellant. Not exactly your assault with a deadly weapon type of injury like during the summer democrat led riots.

So stop with the poor capital policemen that got some bumps and bruises. They don't qualify as injuries except in the minds of political hacks trying to gin up any excuse they can to keep President trump from running again in 2024.

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Tell those cops how you feel destroyer

[Destroyer]

Tell those cops how you feel destroyer

I'll be happy to. Give me their names and addresses.

Oh, and while I do that you should tell all the police that were injured during the democrat led summer riots how they should be defunded because they are racist.

Seems fair.

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[bgreene]

I'll be happy to. Give me their names and addresses.

Oh, and while I do that you should tell all the police that were injured during the democrat led summer riots how they should be defunded because they are racist.

Seems fair.

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You can easily find address to send your self addressed letter attention USA CAPITOL POLICE DEPT .
And changing the subject as usual - this threads about the historically grave event Jan 6,2021 when trump supporters - encouraged by trump attempted violent insurrection , while trump purposefully held back speaking to stop the attack for hours
Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor to our nation.

[Destroyer]

You can easily find address to send your self addressed letter attention USA CAPITOL POLICE DEPT .
And changing the subject as usual - this threads about the historically grave event Jan 6,2021 when trump supporters - encouraged by trump attempted violent insurrection , while trump purposefully held back speaking to stop the attack for hours
Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor to our nation.

You keep harping on President trump not saying anything sooner. Allow me to point out something to you. President trump was under NO obligation to say or do anything that day. He did see that a small fraction of people were getting out of hand and eventually asked them to be peaceful, however he wasn't required to. Anything more than that is just your opinion and has no weight in any discussion.

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[scook]

And let’s not forget that Pelosi was in charge of ordering adequate protection, ignored warnings and declined several offers of additional law enforcement presence.

Her obvious motivation, unless she’s just a VERY stupid person, was to have an incident that she (like YOU) could attach to all Republicans, being the lying political hack that she is. It just got more out of control than she had imagined or hoped for, or maybe it didn’t - I wouldn’t put that kind of thing past her, having observed her dishonest portrayal of “the enemy” over the years.

[bgreene]

Excuses and more excuses for the truth of trumps involvement - and inaction

https://www.cnn.com/

[scook]

Pelosi was 100% responsible for not having adequate security at the Capitol on Nov 6 - Period. It’s very reasonable to think that it was purposeful, given her extreme political dishonesty, demonstrated over decades.

That doesn’t excuse the violence of a very small percentage of the demonstrators, but it makes her very much culpable with respect to the police injuries as well as those of the protestors, including the death of the unarmed woman.

[bgreene]

Pelosi was 100% responsible for not having adequate security at the Capitol on Nov 6 - Period. It’s very reasonable to think that it was purposeful, given her extreme political dishonesty, demonstrated over decades.

That doesn’t excuse the violence of a very small percentage of the demonstrators, but it makes her very much culpable with respect to the police injuries as well as those of the protestors, including the death of the unarmed woman.

I’m well read on the entire episode - and none of its viable excuse for all trumps involvement and guilt .
You should be ashamed of yourself but you aren’t / you’re part of the trump lies

[scook]

I’m getting very bored with your constant LIE that I’m part of “Trump’s lies”, or any other lies. Not once have I been involved in any lie, and while most politicians stretch the truth, your obsession with claiming that Trump’s lies are persistent and pervasive is a projection of your mindless liberal bias, following your flagrantly dishonest, liberal biased supposed news sources. Your extreme confirmation bias causes you to believe the endless stream of trash put out by CNN and the like, because you WANT to believe it.

YOU should be deeply ashamed of completely ignoring the destruction, violence, and chronic dishonesty and lying of the democrats you support - how they’re consciously pushing their followers to such deep division that it’s probably near or possibly past the tipping point. It is despicable and not anything like patriotic, and YOU are a full team member in their effort.

I used to shrug off comments of possible civil war, but that in microcosm is exactly what the left is doing with years of rioting. They think they’re starting a revolution, but it’s no more than thuggery and regular people are getting pretty tired of it.

[bgreene]

I’m getting very bored with your constant LIE that I’m part of “Trump’s lies”, or any other lies. Not once have I been involved in any lie, and while most politicians stretch the truth, your obsession with claiming that Trump’s lies are persistent and pervasive is a projection of your mindless liberal bias, following your flagrantly dishonest, liberal biased supposed news sources. Your extreme confirmation bias causes you to believe the endless stream of trash put out by CNN and the like, because you WANT to believe it.

YOU should be deeply ashamed of completely ignoring the destruction, violence, and chronic dishonesty and lying of the democrats you support - how they’re consciously pushing their followers to such deep division that it’s probably near or possibly past the tipping point. It is despicable and not anything like patriotic, and YOU are a full team member in their effort.

I used to shrug off comments of possible civil war, but that in microcosm is exactly what the left is doing with years of rioting. They think they’re starting a revolution, but it’s no more than thuggery and regular people are getting pretty tired of it.


If you’re bored then announce you’re done arguing again and stop posting.
Or …..try writing your own thread on topics of YOUR choice .
I write the FACTS and TRUTH on topics of MY choice - not what you prefer.

[scook]

I think everyone here would be happy if you were to START posting facts and truth instead of your extreme bias and leaping to conspiracy theory conclusions, while minimizing or in most cases ignoring the lies, cons, cheating and traitorous behavior of the left.

[bgreene]

I think everyone here would be happy if you were to START posting facts and truth instead of your extreme bias and leaping to conspiracy theory conclusions, while minimizing or in most cases ignoring the lies, cons, cheating and traitorous behavior of the left.

You’re plagiarizing each of my phrases and comments as you desperately try to spin .

Soooo easy what I post - the FACTS and the TRUTH.
Easy because it simply is …..same as “ Trump wears orange colored make up “
It simply is true .

[scook]

It’s simple to post what CNN “reports” as facts, it’s more difficult to actually post facts.

[bgreene]

This threads about the FACTS associated with trumps involvement with Insurrection attempt against our Government .

Write your own thread if you want to whine about the FACTS.

[scook]

The thread title is just January 6, 2021 and there’s no whining, that’s what you do. When you post CNN biased opinion and call it fact, you’re going to get corrected. Sounds like you should apply for a job on the new Nazi “truth” commission, so you can silence any disagreement with the far left doctrine. You are in perfect alignment with that undertaking.

[bgreene]

The thread title is just January 6, 2021 and there’s no whining, that’s what you do. When you post CNN biased opinion and call it fact, you’re going to get corrected. Sounds like you should apply for a job on the new Nazi “truth” commission, so you can silence any disagreement with the far left doctrine. You are in perfect alignment with that undertaking.

This threads about the Jan 6, 2021 trump encouraged insurrection attempt on our government .
It happened - encouraged by trump - and trump was begged to speak up to stop his followers.
He didn’t for hours despite pleas.

[Destroyer]

This threads about the Jan 6, 2021 trump encouraged insurrection attempt on our government .
It happened - encouraged by trump - and trump was begged to speak up to stop his followers.
He didn’t for hours despite pleas.

First, I wasn't aware that Trump, (or any other person for that matter) was under any obligation to make a comment on your time schedule. Just because he didn't make one fast enough for you signifies absolutely nothing.

Second, Scook did not plagiarize you in any way shape or form. Because you may have used similar (or the same) words in the past does not give you exclusive access to them. If that were the case I would just publish the entire dictionary and that would shut you up forever. You might want to look up the definition of what plagiarization really is.

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[bgreene]

First, I wasn't aware that Trump, (or any other person for that matter) was under any obligation to make a comment on your time schedule. Just because he didn't make one fast enough for you signifies absolutely nothing.

Second, Scook did not plagiarize you in any way shape or form. Because you may have used similar (or the same) words in the past does not give you exclusive access to them. If that were the case I would just publish the entire dictionary and that would shut you up forever. You might want to look up the definition of what plagiarization really is.

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Trump under not obligation to speak up to stop a violent insurrection attempt at our Capitol says destroyer .
Wrong - hes absolutely obliged as President of our United States.

[Destroyer]

Trump under not obligation to speak up to stop a violent insurrection attempt at our Capitol says destroyer .
Wrong - hes absolutely obliged as President of our United States.

Maybe, but not on your timetable. He DID make a comment to try to stop the riot at the same time it was happening. Just because it was not fast enough for you does not make him derelict.

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[bgreene]

Maybe, but not on your timetable. He DID make a comment to try to stop the riot at the same time it was happening. Just because it was not fast enough for you does not make him derelict.

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Hah ……Trump and Giuliani encouraged the violence - it happened - and trump delayed speaking up despite pleas from many including his own family to speak up.
An insurrection attempt supported by then President Trump - the traitor .

[Destroyer]

Hah ……Trump and Giuliani encouraged the violence - it happened - and trump delayed speaking up despite pleas from many including his own family to speak up.
An insurrection attempt supported by then President Trump - the traitor .


Sorry, you're wrong as usual. (Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?)

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[bgreene]

Sorry, you're wrong as usual. (Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?)

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Tiring ? You fit that description based on your insecurity and desperate efforts to “ cover up” the FACTS I write !

[Destroyer]

Tiring ? You fit that description based on your insecurity and desperate efforts to “ cover up” the FACTS I write !

:haha: Whatever you say :you:

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[bgreene]

:haha: Whatever you say :you:

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Trump and his lawyer supported and encouraged an insurrection attempt against our government . All because Trump refused to accept the FACT that he lost the election by approx 8 MILLION VOTES . FACT

[Destroyer]

Trump and his lawyer supported and encouraged an insurrection attempt against our government . All because Trump refused to accept the FACT that he lost the election by approx 8 MILLION VOTES . FACT

Wrong again.

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[bgreene]

Wrong again.

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Yes - you are wrong again .
Trump LOST by approx 8 million votes

[scook]

Since the election is decided by electoral votes, and a little over 80,000 votes scattered among a few key states would have made Trump president, your claim of “wide margin” is false.

[bgreene]

Since the election is decided by electoral votes, and a little over 80,000 votes scattered among a few key states would have made Trump president, your claim of “wide margin” is false.

WRONG SCOOK

Electoral votes
Biden….306
Trump…232

Popular vote
Biden won by approx 8 MILLION votes

But keep up the disinformation - trump loves you for it

[bgreene]

And “Again, there’s zero evidence – aside from Trump just saying it – that he asked for 10,000 troops in Washington ahead of January 6, 2021.

And there is also no evidence that such a request, which he didn’t make, was rebuffed by either Bowser or Pelosi.”

Trump LOST by bigger margin than when he beat Hillary ….but when trump LOST instead of doing the right thing for our nation, he encouraged insurrection attempt, associated with his LIE that he won - which is of course, a many times proven LIE.

[bgreene]

Another trumper - goes on trial for role in the violent insurrection attempt.


https://www.businessinsider.com/judge-bans-evidence-of-capitol-rioters-hitler-admiration-from-trial-2022-5

[scook]

Another simple concept ignored - a little over 80,000 votes scattered among a few key states would have changed the winner of the electoral college. That’s not the wide margin you claim.

[bgreene]

Another simple concept ignored - a little over 80,000 votes scattered among a few key states would have changed the winner of the electoral college. That’s not the wide margin you claim.

I don’t “ claim “ results scook . The voting results of Biden- Trump are FACT based on our very secure, time proven , monitored, and audited systems.

FACTS and the TRUTH …..or empty conspiracy theories ….your choice , but you only weaken our nation supporting the lies and nonsense.

[scook]

Once again, completely ignoring the point of my post. If my number is correct, it makes it such that a relatively small amount of fraud COULD have affected the results.

[bgreene]

Once again, completely ignoring the point of my post. If my number is correct, it makes it such that a relatively small amount of fraud COULD have affected the results.

“ Could have , would have , but if “
All nonsense …..Biden beat Trump by large margin and by millions of the popular vote .
But if it makes you feel better - you’re entitled to you own fantasy .

[scook]

Ignore, ignore, ignore and excuse, excuse, excuse. I’m pretty sure you understand the concept I laid out and can only imagine how you would post if the parties were reversed.

[bgreene]

Ignore, ignore, ignore and excuse, excuse, excuse. I’m pretty sure you understand the concept I laid out and can only imagine how you would post if the parties were reversed.

“ imagination “ as you reference also of no interest to me.

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

No excuses or “ what about the George Floyd related riots “ changes , dilutes , or nullifies in any way this violent event, and Trumps involvement.

[scook]

It will be interesting to see, as real investigation takes place, whether the “big lie” accusation so freely spouted by the left sources, NPR included turns out to be the big lie, like the Hunter Biden laptop lies and suppression. Too early to tell, but interesting to follow.

There’s a big difference between encouraging a vigorous demonstration and fomenting violence, but your confirmation bias won’t let you see it. We’ll brace ourselves for the “fight like hell” and “trial by combat” very common political phrases used much more by democrats than Republicans that you constantly repeat.

[bgreene]

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

[Destroyer]

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

You know, I was listening to some of the various news programs yesterday and watched as demonstrators broke the Federal law and protested in front of various supreme court judges. (Strangely the police didn't arrest anyone).. Oh yes, that's right, the protestors were on the Left's side of the abortion question so their breaking the law is okay.

Anyway, I saw a clip of Sen. Chuck Schumer yelling into a microphone, screaming at the top of his lungs, Naming Judge Kavanaugh and Judge Gorsuch by name. Threatening them that if they voted for overturning Roe. He said Quote "I want to tell you Gorsuch; I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions." Unquote. Yet for some reason he seems to have impunity while threatening a Federal Judge, something that is clearly against federal law. Why do you suppose that is?

President Trump says something to the peaceful demonstrators on Jan 6 and is blamed for the few that rioted, even though he broke no law, yet Schumer breaks the law, threatens people by name and encourages people demonstrating in front of SCOTUS judges that are breaking the law and nothing happens.

If ever the hypocrisy of the left, and the unfairness of the left and the media was ever more apparent I would be hard pressed to find it.

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[bgreene]

Spin destroyer spin !

[bgreene]

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

[Destroyer]

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

False as usual

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[bgreene]

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

[bgreene]

Here was Donald Trump claiming he won the election by a landslide .

Lying cheating con man traitor trump inciting the insurrection attempt as many of the accused attackers said they were following his orders

Hours later trump tells them to go home , says youre very special people we love you .
Meanwhile during the George Floyd murder riots trump wanted them shot.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2FLkv3tFBTc

[Destroyer]

I'm tired of answering this thread over and over. You are wrong, you post links only when they are beneficial to your cause, even if they are biased hit pieces from known false "news" sources. Go ahead and make another false post and claim it's just facts and truth. I've heard it all before.

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[bgreene]

I'm tired of answering this thread over and over. You are wrong, you post links only when they are beneficial to your cause, even if they are biased hit pieces from known false "news" sources. Go ahead and make another false post and claim it's just facts and truth. I've heard it all before.

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If you’re tired - take a nap.

The TRUTH and the FACTS never change, unlike your conspiracy theories, excuses and denials .
That’s why I don’t tire of posting the truth and the facts.
You trumpers have to WORK at disinformation.

[Destroyer]

If you’re tired - take a nap.

The TRUTH and the FACTS never change, unlike your conspiracy theories, excuses and denials .
That’s why I don’t tire of posting the truth and the facts.
You trumpers have to WORK at disinformation.

The only thing we have to constantly work at is clearing up the falsehoods, lies and disinformation spread by the far left Socialist Democrats.

And YOU are bordering on personal insults again with comments like that "take a nap". I would be careful.

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[bgreene]

The only thing we have to constantly work at is clearing up the falsehoods, lies and disinformation spread by the far left Socialist Democrats.

And YOU are bordering on personal insults again with comments like that "take a nap". I would be careful.

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Oh my gosh “ take a nap “ …… and a warning from destroyer to be carful !!!!
Alert the media, the national guard , the navy seals !!!

Yes - if you’re tired I suggest you take a nap .

[bgreene]

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

[scook]

Just your biased narrative, and your jackassery (attempting insults) is boring and inappropriate.

[bgreene]

Just your biased narrative, and your jackassery (attempting insults) is boring and inappropriate.

“ Jackassery “ writes scook ….ut oh , the insult police will be knocking at your door .
Or not because you’re a trumper . Have a cookie .

[scook]

Just accurate analysis and what do you do in response - pile on the evidence that it’s correct.

[bgreene]

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

FACT.

[Destroyer]

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

FACT.

Yes, yes, yes.... we've heard it all before. Not that it's 100% true, just that you continue to publish it like it's the end of the world.

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[bgreene]

Yes, yes, yes.... we've heard it all before. Not that it's 100% true, just that you continue to publish it like it's the end of the world.

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Not the “ end of the world destroyer “ but the TRUTH as we slip towards a government built on LIES and disinformation - an autocracy fostered by Donald Trump .

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

FACT.

[Destroyer]

Not the “ end of the world destroyer “ but the TRUTH as we slip towards a government built on LIES and disinformation - an autocracy fostered by Donald Trump .

Just the FACTS
Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

FACT.

FACT... MOST (More than 90%) of the people that attended that day marched, prayed, sang songs and listened to various speakers including President Trump.

FACT... Only a very few people comparatively speaking did what you claim.

FACT... The Democrat controlled DOJ has gone after those people with a vengeance, keeping them imprisoned and in solitary confinement, often denying them access to their lawyers, not allowing any bail while all but ignoring the billions of dollars and deaths caused by Antifa and other Democrat led groups during the Summer riots, arresting very few and allowing them to walk free without posting bail while awaiting their trials. Disgusting and Shameful at the least, unconstitutional at the most.

Those are ALL FACTS!!!

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[bgreene]

FACT... MOST (More than 90%) of the people that attended that day marched, prayed, sang songs and listened to various speakers including President Trump.

FACT... Only a very few people comparatively speaking did what you claim.

FACT... The Democrat controlled DOJ has gone after those people with a vengeance, keeping them imprisoned and in solitary confinement, often denying them access to their lawyers, not allowing any bail while all but ignoring the billions of dollars and deaths caused by Antifa and other Democrat led groups during the Summer riots, arresting very few and allowing them to walk free without posting bail while awaiting their trials. Disgusting and Shameful at the least, unconstitutional at the most.

Those are ALL FACTS!!!

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Well destroyer - you’re WRONG AGAIN - most of the violent attackers that have been charged are NOT EVEN IN JAIL !

And - it was Trump supporters some who said “ trump told us to do it “ who violently injured about 140 Police , attempted insurrection, and threatened to kill the Vice President - all in the name of trump and his election lie.
The George Floyd riots were not a democratic rebellion against our government .
It was a rebellion about police injustice .

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/28/us-capitol-attack-suspects-jail-trial

[bgreene]

Destroyer claims those charged for the Capitol attack are being held in solitary confinement etc !!!!

Destroyers WRONG AGAIN

“. At least 70% of people charged in the Capitol riot have been released as they wait for trial, according to a Guardian analysis.

That high pre-trial release rate stands in stark contrast with the usual detention rates in the federal system, where only 25% of defendants nationwide are typically released before their trial”

[scook]

The witch hunt generated an extreme number of arrests of people who appear to have absolutely no part in any violence and, given the recent example, who were ushered in by police - this stands in exceptionally stark contrast to nationwide arrests.

Add to that jurisdictions where the ANTIFA and BLM domestic terrorists were very seldom even charged and the contrast is starker, in the non-bgreene direction.

Looks like bgreene is WRONG again - not uncommon.

[bgreene]

Destroyer claims those charged for the Capitol attack are being held in solitary confinement etc !!!!

Destroyers WRONG AGAIN

“. At least 70% of people charged in the Capitol riot have been released as they wait for trial, according to a Guardian analysis.

That high pre-trial release rate stands in stark contrast with the usual detention rates in the federal system, where only 25% of defendants nationwide are typically released before their trial”

[scook]

And all you can do is repost your disingenuous, biased proclamations, never able to respond to relevant comments.

[bgreene]

And all you can do is repost your disingenuous, biased proclamations, never able to respond to relevant comments.

This is what happened scook - NOT “ disingenuous or biased “ as you claim
You can’t change history by LYING about it .


Jan 6, 2021: A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

[bgreene]

Yes indeed

[scook]

Yes indeed - copy and paste to infinity, but be careful to NEVER respond directly and honestly to others’ comments. This is another perfect example.

You make a misleading statement and when corrected, you paste in your tired mantra, which has nothing to do with the thing being discussed.

And of course you then lie about me lying to try to change history.

[bgreene]

Yes indeed - copy and paste to infinity, but be careful to NEVER respond directly and honestly to others’ comments. This is another perfect example.

You make a misleading statement and when corrected, you paste in your tired mantra, which has nothing to do with the thing being discussed.

And of course you then lie about me lying to try to change history.

WRONG AGAIN Scook - I’ve responded many many times to others comments …..
I support the Constitution of our country .
I DO NOT support empty conspiracy theories that risk destroying our democracy .
You’re playing with destroying our democracy - with your support of trumps election lies
This is the TRUTH.

[scook]

Your Guardian link makes my point, as much as they try to support yours. The arrests in this situation are significantly different in nature than most in the federal system - THEY are in stark contrast to the usual arrests. Adding to that the hyper desire to arrest anyone remotely associated with the demonstration inside the Capitol and it makes your insinuation that these people are somehow getting off easy a false one.

The Guardian, printing the assertion that there are so many laws, there should be something to charge them with, e.g. property destruction is typical left thinking - where is the cry to prosecute the domestic terrorists who did massive property destruction in their incessant rioting?

This is the same Guardian that reported on a joint British and American Marine Corps training exercise, saying that the relatively small British contingent “won” and humiliated our Marines. That was a flagrant lie. Their Capitol story wasn’t as bad the Marine story, but the insinuation that the people in the Capitol situation were getting a pass ignores that in large part they were prejudicially wholesale, unfairly targeted for arrest. What else would you expect under a Biden DOJ?

Another case of you making a biased, not honest attempt to smear those you don’t agree with. This isn’t intended for your benefit, because it won’t pass your willful ignorance filter to even crease your consciousness, but just to correct the record.

On another subject, your comment that the George Floyd riots weren’t attacks on our government, but protesting police brutality, is also largely false. The violent, destructive riots were largely driven by ANTIFA, who’s clearly stated objective is to tear down the system. It was very much an attack on the government and our democracy.

[bgreene]

The riots you refer to exploded AFTER the George Floyd murder by police.

The violent Trump encouraged insurrection attack was AGAINST our government and process of legal voting Presidential transfer of power.

Your OPINION linking urban violence is spin attempt….NOT FACT.
For whatever the reality of your personal discriminations ….you’re actually just weakening our nation.

[scook]

I think Trump encouraged a vigorous demonstration, not violence, though so,e extremists took his words to mean violence - we disagree on that point.

I’m not linking anything, I’m pointing out that you completely ignore the severity of the riots and the damage, injury and loss of life and that they were actively encouraged, lied about and supported by the left. No spin there.

Also, also no spin, the wholesale arrests associated with the Capitol relatively small riot and very large demonstration were extreme and politically motivated, so more releases of those arrested, when vied rationally is not in stark contrast to the national average. Once again, figures don’t lie but liars figure, or use absolute numbers to insinuate and misrepresent.

I’m doing nothing to weaken our nation, but I’m very concerned about the serious weakening supported by those you support and that you ignore it.

[bgreene]

I think Trump encouraged a vigorous demonstration, not violence, though so,e extremists took his words to mean violence - we disagree on that point.

I’m not linking anything, I’m pointing out that you completely ignore the severity of the riots and the damage, injury and loss of life and that they were actively encouraged, lied about and supported by the left. No spin there.

Also, also no spin, the wholesale arrests associated with the Capitol relatively small riot and very large demonstration were extreme and politically motivated, so more releases of those arrested, when vied rationally is not in stark contrast to the national average. Once again, figures don’t lie but liars figure, or use absolute numbers to insinuate and misrepresent.

I’m doing nothing to weaken our nation, but I’m very concerned about the serious weakening supported by those you support and that you ignore it.


Oh you think trump encouraged just “ vigorous demonstration”
The core essence of our American democratic process was under violent attack by his supporters ……and the self proclaimed “ law and order President “ delayed for hours recording a message pleaded by all to speak up. This happened and may likely happen again but worse.

Jan 6, 2021:
A dreadful day in our American history when trump supporters, encouraged and misled by trump attempted Insurrection against our government by storming our Capitol while making terroristic threats to kill Vice President Pence.

[scook]

Pipe’s on to something - you do behave like a bot. Your algorithm is set with a hair trigger to repeat that last paragraph.

[bgreene]

Pipe’s on to something - you do behave like a bot. Your algorithm is set with a hair trigger to repeat that last paragraph.

About as “ on to something “ as the pillow man was who claimed absolute proof of voter fraud - and presented NOTHING but empty meaningless computer code.

[scook]

And you would know that, being a brilliant guy who understands computer code.

[Pipe_Dream]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTe-0-tXEAEta9_?format=jpg&name=small