Fox News and politics

[bgreene]

Wow Fox News just keeps ripping Biden and Dems every way possible and not fair .

CNN which some on this site discount as fake news has been both hard on Biden Administration and positive where applicable. They report the mistakes and the good news.

But Fox wow even the photos they post are of the worst possible expressions.

But trump told you people CNN is fake news so you believe and do whatever trump tells you to do .

[scook]

I think most of us determined CNN to be a dishonest media source without any help from Trump. They recently confirmed it with their blatant, baldfaced lie about Joe Rogan’s COVID treatment medication.

If you listened to any of Trump’s press conferences, where the CNN representative (calling them journalists would be inaccurate) asked their infantile gotcha questions, which Trump responded to appropriately, you would be embarrassed to cite them as a source. Sure they report some things accurately, but very rarely if not fully in line with their far left views.

You think it’s unfair to show Biden with uncomplimentary photos? Where were you when your media sources were consistently doing that to Trump?

[bgreene]

Scook - trumps a lying cheating traitor to our country with his election fraud nonsense.

Therefore he deserves the media coverage of investigations he’s getting.
Except for Fox News which is like a Natzi propaganda system that won’t even cover the truth.

CNN bashing Biden for weeks now — reporting the news.

[scook]

Your virulent hatred of Trump and extreme confirmation bias toward apparently believing all things liberal and certainly believing all things anti-Trump seem to have you blinded to a reasonable, balanced view of what’s going on.

CNN’s reporting of approval ratings couldn’t ignore Biden’s wildly incompetent Afghan withdrawal, but of course didn’t mention that he is personally responsible for the deaths of many people and loss of massive amounts of our equipment, and huge loss of respect and trust in the world which would have been avoided if he had even a small amount of Trump’s negotiating skill or had simply followed his withdrawal plan. They then explained the low rating away with external factors. They also ignored Trump’s low ratings at roughly the same point in his presidency being heavily influenced by the lies and cheating of the Clinton campaign and complicit lying, cheating FBI along with their own dishonest complicit constant Trump bashing.

I’ve heard a good number of people accuse Fox News of lying, but never once has any of them been able to point out any lie they have told. Their opinion journalism clearly leans to the right, but not nearly enough to balance the left leaning opinion and I believe often dishonest, at least biased, hard news reporting of the mainstream media and particularly dishonest sources like CNN.

You have been presented with honest examples and, I may have missed it, but don’t recall you ever responding directly to any of them.

Insults and demagoguery based on your biased opinions aren’t going to persuade anyone who doesn’t already agree with you. I have some very liberal, very good friends who are honest and secure enough that we can actually discuss things we don’t agree about and learn something from each other. I think a lot of their views are crazy and a result of their confirmation bias and I’m trying to be aware of my own confirmation bias and remove it from my opinions - honest discussion and not ignoring information you don’t like are a lot more productive than demagoguery.

[Pipe_Dream]

Your virulent hatred of Trump and extreme confirmation bias toward apparently believing all things liberal and certainly believing all things anti-Trump seem to have you blinded to a reasonable, balanced view of what’s going on.

CNN’s reporting of approval ratings couldn’t ignore Biden’s wildly incompetent Afghan withdrawal, but of course didn’t mention that he is personally responsible for the deaths of many people and loss of massive amounts of our equipment, and huge loss of respect and trust in the world which would have been avoided if he had even a small amount of Trump’s negotiating skill or had simply followed his withdrawal plan. They then explained the low rating away with external factors. They also ignored Trump’s low ratings at roughly the same point in his presidency being heavily influenced by the lies and cheating of the Clinton campaign and complicit lying, cheating FBI along with their own dishonest complicit constant Trump bashing.

I’ve heard a good number of people accuse Fox News of lying, but never once has any of them been able to point out any lie they have told. Their opinion journalism clearly leans to the right, but not nearly enough to balance the left leaning opinion and I believe often dishonest, at least biased, hard news reporting of the mainstream media and particularly dishonest sources like CNN.

You have been presented with honest examples and, I may have missed it, but don’t recall you ever responding directly to any of them.

Insults and demagoguery based on your biased opinions aren’t going to persuade anyone who doesn’t already agree with you. I have some very liberal, very good friends who are honest and secure enough that we can actually discuss things we don’t agree about and learn something from each other. I think a lot of their views are crazy and a result of their confirmation bias and I’m trying to be aware of my own confirmation bias and remove it from my opinions - honest discussion and not ignoring information you don’t like are a lot more productive than demagoguery.

Well said. Cheers! :beer:

[steplift20]

Perfectly said

[Pipe_Dream]

Thank goodness we have a National Gender Strategy to counter this.

[Destroyer]

Thank goodness we have a National Gender Strategy to counter this.

Yes. I totally agree. I mean, how else would we know a man from a woman unless we had a National Gender Council to point things like that out for us?

[Destroyer]

Your virulent hatred of Trump and extreme confirmation bias toward apparently believing all things liberal and certainly believing all things anti-Trump seem to have you blinded to a reasonable, balanced view of what’s going on.

CNN’s reporting of approval ratings couldn’t ignore Biden’s wildly incompetent Afghan withdrawal, but of course didn’t mention that he is personally responsible for the deaths of many people and loss of massive amounts of our equipment, and huge loss of respect and trust in the world which would have been avoided if he had even a small amount of Trump’s negotiating skill or had simply followed his withdrawal plan. They then explained the low rating away with external factors. They also ignored Trump’s low ratings at roughly the same point in his presidency being heavily influenced by the lies and cheating of the Clinton campaign and complicit lying, cheating FBI along with their own dishonest complicit constant Trump bashing.

I’ve heard a good number of people accuse Fox News of lying, but never once has any of them been able to point out any lie they have told. Their opinion journalism clearly leans to the right, but not nearly enough to balance the left leaning opinion and I believe often dishonest, at least biased, hard news reporting of the mainstream media and particularly dishonest sources like CNN.

You have been presented with honest examples and, I may have missed it, but don’t recall you ever responding directly to any of them.

Insults and demagoguery based on your biased opinions aren’t going to persuade anyone who doesn’t already agree with you. I have some very liberal, very good friends who are honest and secure enough that we can actually discuss things we don’t agree about and learn something from each other. I think a lot of their views are crazy and a result of their confirmation bias and I’m trying to be aware of my own confirmation bias and remove it from my opinions - honest discussion and not ignoring information you don’t like are a lot more productive than demagoguery.

Yuo. totally agree. Well said Scook. Well said :clap::clap:

[bgreene]

Your virulent hatred of Trump and extreme confirmation bias toward apparently believing all things liberal and certainly believing all things anti-Trump seem to have you blinded to a reasonable, balanced view of what’s going on.

CNN’s reporting of approval ratings couldn’t ignore Biden’s wildly incompetent Afghan withdrawal, but of course didn’t mention that he is personally responsible for the deaths of many people and loss of massive amounts of our equipment, and huge loss of respect and trust in the world which would have been avoided if he had even a small amount of Trump’s negotiating skill or had simply followed his withdrawal plan. They then explained the low rating away with external factors. They also ignored Trump’s low ratings at roughly the same point in his presidency being heavily influenced by the lies and cheating of the Clinton campaign and complicit lying, cheating FBI along with their own dishonest complicit constant Trump bashing.

I’ve heard a good number of people accuse Fox News of lying, but never once has any of them been able to point out any lie they have told. Their opinion journalism clearly leans to the right, but not nearly enough to balance the left leaning opinion and I believe often dishonest, at least biased, hard news reporting of the mainstream media and particularly dishonest sources like CNN.

You have been presented with honest examples and, I may have missed it, but don’t recall you ever responding directly to any of them.

Insults and demagoguery based on your biased opinions aren’t going to persuade anyone who doesn’t already agree with you. I have some very liberal, very good friends who are honest and secure enough that we can actually discuss things we don’t agree about and learn something from each other. I think a lot of their views are crazy and a result of their confirmation bias and I’m trying to be aware of my own confirmation bias and remove it from my opinions - honest discussion and not ignoring information you don’t like are a lot more productive than demagoguery.

“ virulent hatred of trump”……..wrong - I was pro concept of trump early on until the things he said and did proved he was not fit for the Presidency .

“ believing all things liberal “…..wrong again . What I believe are facts and the truth such as trump lost the election , tried to coerce others to cheat for him, challenged with zero evidence and he encouraged the violent attack at our Capitol - referring to the people who were yelling hang Mike Pence as very special people that he loved.

“ reasonable balanced view of what’s going on” ……yes I do . Trump lost the election and none of his people brought ANYTHING close to reasonable to court as evidence otherwise.

My reasonable and balanced view is that Trump in so many ways proved to be a lying cheating con man traitor to America who wants to eliminate our process of free and fair elections.

[scook]

Thanks for a direct response. I agree that there’s plenty on a personal level to not like about the man and I often found his self promotion tedious. He has a huge ego, which of course is necessary to take on that job, especially with a dishonest media, Clinton/democrat machine and traitorous, dishonest FBI and cooperating bureaucracy attacking him with blatant, despicable dishonesty from before he was even elected - I don’t think you would deny that.

Not being a politician, he didn’t do a great job hiding his ego. Consider the size of Obama’s ego to have the temerity to even run for the biggest executive job in the world with a resume that wouldn’t qualify him for managing a gas station or 711 store - zero executive experience of any kind that I know of. He was an experienced Chicago politician, which pretty much by definition means dishonest, but he presented a smooth veneer. He presided over the biggest worsening in race relations in my experience, which was perpetuated by flagrant lies in the media under Trump.

I can understand how you would have taken a severe dislike to the man, but I think the opinions you have formed are extreme and inaccurate.

You have been adjusting your comments about election evidence, but I think you are still ignoring some facts that you must have seen, e.g. your relating that the Arizona evaluation found that the “vote count” was shown to be pretty accurate, but ignoring other findings about the integrity of the ballots counted. I think quite a few dead people voted, people who had moved away, etc., not to mention how the mail-in voting in many states violated the existing state laws and was particularly vulnerable to significant fraud. I don’t know if an absolutely honest count of honest ballots would change the results of the election, but I can’t be sure that it wouldn’t. Nothing he ever said or even hinted suggests that he wants to end free and fair elections - what I heard is exactly the opposite.

I’ve listened to the recording and read the things he said regarding trying to unfairly/dishonestly alter the election results and, while it’s obvious he didn’t accept the results, it sounded like him being himself and working hard to sell his position. Not to beat it to death, but suggesting that his saying “fight like hell” meant anything different than what every Democrat says in every email I get and hear in most speeches frankly seems dishonest to me.

You can have your opinion, but nothing I’ve heard or read, i.e. honest quotes, suggests that he supported the violence at the capitol and his reference to special people was in support of people who demonstrated peacefully in large numbers.

To suggest that the violence at the capitol was even remotely a threat to our democracy is, I think ludicrous. It was certainly inappropriate and will be punished, but if you think it had the least possibility of threatening our democracy, you aren’t very familiar with the strength, training and equipment of our federal law enforcement agencies. It’s sad and politically motivated incompetence and dishonesty that the huge amount of left wing rioting, destruction and even murder is going virtually without prosecution while hoards of small,businesses, many owned by people of color are bankrupted - the families bankrupted.

The most preposterous and offensive of your charges, in my opinion, is that of calling him a traitor. Obnoxious as you may find him, he strengthened our position in the world and put our country first in multitudes of ways that benefitted real contributing, working people. He showed respect for people who actually get things done as opposed to the flagrant arrogance of the democrat elite. If the press had honestly reported the positive things he put in place, many of which have been listed in this forum, there wouldn’t have been enough fraud in the world to put Biden over the top.

No, I’m not a fan of him personally, but I voted for him, he did an excellent job and I would very likely vote for him again. I have complete confidence that as much as every president in history would like to have been able to be a dictator in order to get things done, e.g. Trump’s health insurance improvements that were blocked by the Democrats, the checks and balances are in place to make it impossible for that to happen.

No, I don’t think you have an accurate balanced understanding of what has gone on or what’s going on now, but I think you’re capable of it.

[bgreene]

You claim you haven’t read anything that suggests trump supported the insurrection attempt at our Capitol ….
There’s been a lot of information reported and in the news about this .

Trump watched it on tv with glee.
Trump refused to send reinforcements to assist the badly outnumbered police .
Only Mike Pence was able to finally get assistance.
Trump delayed and delayed making a statement against the attack that had to be taped repeatedly until he’d say the right things.

Trump - the lying cheating con man who calls himself the law and order President .
The man who had completely non violent protestors hit with tear gas so he could walk to a church for a photo op.
Trump who said he’d send our military into cities to quell violence.

He encouraged, watched , and praised his violent mob overwhelm our police , smash their way into our Capitol, chanting hang Mike Pence our Vice President . Then he said they were very special people that he loved .

All because he LOST the election . ZERO real evidence of election fraud . ZERO found through his forced voting audits. NO EVIDENCE just nonsense conspiracy theories.
You want to over ride our system of free and fair elections based on empty claims and lies ?

Trumps a lying, cheating traitor to our country.
You want to pretend all this didn’t happen — all you’re doing is weakening our chance of remaining a democracy.

[Pipe_Dream]

Thanks for a direct response. I agree that there’s plenty on a personal level to not like about the man and I often found his self promotion tedious. He has a huge ego, which of course is necessary to take on that job, especially with a dishonest media, Clinton/democrat machine and traitorous, dishonest FBI and cooperating bureaucracy attacking him with blatant, despicable dishonesty from before he was even elected - I don’t think you would deny that.

Not being a politician, he didn’t do a great job hiding his ego. Consider the size of Obama’s ego to have the temerity to even run for the biggest executive job in the world with a resume that wouldn’t qualify him for managing a gas station or 711 store - zero executive experience of any kind that I know of. He was an experienced Chicago politician, which pretty much by definition means dishonest, but he presented a smooth veneer. He presided over the biggest worsening in race relations in my experience, which was perpetuated by flagrant lies in the media under Trump.

I can understand how you would have taken a severe dislike to the man, but I think the opinions you have formed are extreme and inaccurate.

You have been adjusting your comments about election evidence, but I think you are still ignoring some facts that you must have seen, e.g. your relating that the Arizona evaluation found that the “vote count” was shown to be pretty accurate, but ignoring other findings about the integrity of the ballots counted. I think quite a few dead people voted, people who had moved away, etc., not to mention how the mail-in voting in many states violated the existing state laws and was particularly vulnerable to significant fraud. I don’t know if an absolutely honest count of honest ballots would change the results of the election, but I can’t be sure that it wouldn’t. Nothing he ever said or even hinted suggests that he wants to end free and fair elections - what I heard is exactly the opposite.

I’ve listened to the recording and read the things he said regarding trying to unfairly/dishonestly alter the election results and, while it’s obvious he didn’t accept the results, it sounded like him being himself and working hard to sell his position. Not to beat it to death, but suggesting that his saying “fight like hell” meant anything different than what every Democrat says in every email I get and hear in most speeches frankly seems dishonest to me.

You can have your opinion, but nothing I’ve heard or read, i.e. honest quotes, suggests that he supported the violence at the capitol and his reference to special people was in support of people who demonstrated peacefully in large numbers.

To suggest that the violence at the capitol was even remotely a threat to our democracy is, I think ludicrous. It was certainly inappropriate and will be punished, but if you think it had the least possibility of threatening our democracy, you aren’t very familiar with the strength, training and equipment of our federal law enforcement agencies. It’s sad and politically motivated incompetence and dishonesty that the huge amount of left wing rioting, destruction and even murder is going virtually without prosecution while hoards of small,businesses, many owned by people of color are bankrupted - the families bankrupted.

The most preposterous and offensive of your charges, in my opinion, is that of calling him a traitor. Obnoxious as you may find him, he strengthened our position in the world and put our country first in multitudes of ways that benefitted real contributing, working people. He showed respect for people who actually get things done as opposed to the flagrant arrogance of the democrat elite. If the press had honestly reported the positive things he put in place, many of which have been listed in this forum, there wouldn’t have been enough fraud in the world to put Biden over the top.

No, I’m not a fan of him personally, but I voted for him, he did an excellent job and I would very likely vote for him again. I have complete confidence that as much as every president in history would like to have been able to be a dictator in order to get things done, e.g. Trump’s health insurance improvements that were blocked by the Democrats, the checks and balances are in place to make it impossible for that to happen.

No, I don’t think you have an accurate balanced understanding of what has gone on or what’s going on now, but I think you’re capable of it.

Well stated, all of it.

[Pipe_Dream]

You claim you haven’t read anything that suggests trump supported the insurrection attempt at our Capitol …. Trump supported and encouraged peaceful protests
There’s been a lot of information reported and in the news about this .

Trump watched it on tv with glee. an unnamed former official told (surprise) CNN

The man who had completely non violent protestors hit with tear gas so he could walk to a church for a photo op.I can't believe that you're still peddling such nonsense. Even the big networks have had to admit that that's not what happened.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/police-did-not-clear-d-c-s-lafayette-park-protestors-n1270126

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/police-clear-lafayette-park-area-trump-hold-bible/story?id=78171712




He encouraged, watched , and praised his violent mob overwhelm our police , smash their way into our Capitol, chanting hang Mike Pence our Vice President . Then he said they were very special people that he loved .
Bring on video supporting your position. What he actually said was
“We have come to demand that congress do the right thing, and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. Lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

If his speech was so inflammatory, why didn't/doesn't CNN play it?



You want to pretend all this didn’t happen — all you’re doing is weakening our chance of remaining a democracy.

You want to believe that so many things happened, despite lack of evidence and/or evidence to the contrary, and encouraged by a corrupt, biased corporate media.

[bgreene]

You want to believe that so many things happened, despite lack of evidence and/or evidence to the contrary, and encouraged by a corrupt, biased corporate media.

Just google the videos pipe dream and stop trying so hard to support disinformation and lies.
Oh and stop asking me to provide all data - trumps trained you to believe anything he says as the truth. Wrong - try fact checking

Why do you imagine our Capitol police were outnumbered for so long without any reinforcements called in ?
Siege on our Capitol, smashed in , our Vice President and his family in grave danger and no reinforcements right there at our Capitol.
Trump the lying cheating con man traitor who later called the violent criminals special people that he loved .
The so called law and order President - a con man disgrace to America

[scook]

If you have honest sources for your statements about Trump watching with glee, encouraging violence, etc., I’ll look at them. Not CNN, who have thoroughly convinced me of their flagrantly dishonest anti-Trump campaign, but real coverage, actually showing the events, not some reporter’s opinion based on an unknown source. I’ll have a serious look at your sources - what I’ve seen doesn’t support those views.

Regarding the election issue, I haven’t seen anything that concerns me about free and fair elections being a risk. Trump pushed very hard to have results analyzed and was thwarted at pretty much every turn - states destroying ballots before they could be looked at critically, a state ordering, I believe a million mail-in Democrat ballots with no envelopes, after it was too late to use them legitimately, etc. As I said, I don’t know if an honest count of honest ballots would change the election result, but the claim that there’s zero evidence of significant fraud seems to me pretty inaccurate. No conspiracy theories involved - lots of issues being uncovered and ignored by anti-Trump folks.

There was certainly a conspiracy by the Clinton campaign, the FBI and additional bureaucracy against Trump that anti-Trump folks are happy to ignore and minimize.

I’d just like to actually see what you call for - real, complete truth and facts.

[scook]

Sorry Pipe - I didn’t see your last post before writing mine. I’ll look at your links. Thanks

[bgreene]

If you have honest sources for your statements about Trump watching with glee, encouraging violence, etc., I’ll look at them. Not CNN, who have thoroughly convinced me of their flagrantly dishonest anti-Trump campaign, but real coverage, actually showing the events, not some reporter’s opinion based on an unknown source. I’ll have a serious look at your sources - what I’ve seen doesn’t support those views.

Regarding the election issue, I haven’t seen anything that concerns me about free and fair elections being a risk. Trump pushed very hard to have results analyzed and was thwarted at pretty much every turn - states destroying ballots before they could be looked at critically, a state ordering, I believe a million mail-in Democrat ballots with no envelopes, after it was too late to use them legitimately, etc. As I said, I don’t know if an honest count of honest ballots would change the election result, but the claim that there’s zero evidence of significant fraud seems to me pretty inaccurate. No conspiracy theories involved - lots of issues being uncovered and ignored by anti-Trump folks.

There was certainly a conspiracy by the Clinton campaign, the FBI and additional bureaucracy against Trump that anti-Trump folks are happy to ignore and minimize.

I’d just like to actually see what you call for - real, complete truth and facts.

If all that’s happened this past year isn’t clear enough for you then trumps claim that he could shoot someone in Times Square NY and get away with it is true.

[scook]

Well, Pipe’s links put the lie to the “ totally peaceful protesters” and violently clearing the square for a photo op. “Mostly peaceful” until the police showed up. Of course, just like my city Portland, it’s OK to be violent if it’s an anti-Trump or generally leftist “protest” and you’re pretty much obligated to get violent if the police arrive. Trump sent federal law enforcement to Portland and deputized our state police and several of our local agencies because our insanely “progressive” politicians are so dishonest and incompetent that they were allowing mobs to pull down statues (even one of an Elk), attack, smash windows and set fires at our central police precinct, federal courthouse and untold number of businesses. Yes, he was a law and order president.

As to the gleeful watching/supporting the violence at the capitol, I guessed it - an unnamed source told the baldfaced lying, virulently anti-Trump CNN. Good grief, if you believe CNN reporting on Trump, your opinions have no credibility.

You can believe what you choose to believe, but CNN and a bunch of their fellow far left outlets have lost credibility with their incessant conspiracy theories about Trump.

The more I see, the more it’s obvious that, notwithstanding his huge ego and tiresome self promotion, the “trying to overturn” an honest election (which wasn’t entirely honest, regardless of whether it was honest enough), inciting and gleefully encouraging the violence at the capitol, the traitor label just aren’t credible. Liars in the media are citing Trump’s “big lie” - the left has become so dishonest and so far off any reasonable policies that I think there is a serious threat to our democracy, but it’s not from Trump. My hope is that they’ve gone so far that the regular folks will wake up and put a stop to it.

I heard news today that Biden’s administration is now proposing compensating illegal aliens who have been separated from their families “for too long” $450,000 - you can’t make this stuff up.

I agree- fact checking is important - just try to avoid checking them with dishonest sources, and avoid leaping to extreme, unwarranted conclusions.

[bgreene]

Trump LOST the election by a wider margin than when he beat Clinton on 2016.
At that time trump praised our voting system .

Now trump LOST and with ZERO evidence of any real meaningful or significant shred of evidence he turned on his faithful VP Pence and turned against our democracy .

Because trump is a self serving lying con man traitor who obviously has classic malignant narcissistic personality disorder.

Here’s the complete report and video of the VIOLENT insurrection assault on our Capitol


https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007606996/capitol-riot-trump-supporters.html

[Destroyer]

Trump LOST the election by a wider margin than when he beat Clinton on 2016.
At that time trump praised our voting system .

Now trump LOST and with ZERO evidence of any real meaningful or significant shred of evidence he turned on his faithful VP Pence and turned against our democracy .

Because trump is a self serving lying con man traitor who obviously has classic malignant narcissistic personality disorder.

Here’s the complete report and video of the VIOLENT insurrection assault on our Capitol


https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007606996/capitol-riot-trump-supporters.html

And of course, you cite a "news" source that has, for the last 5 years+ proven itself to be anti-Trump and that has had to print retraction after retraction of the whoppers (stories) that they have reported about President Trump. They are so biased that anything they print "might" have smidgen of truth in it someplace but it will be made to look far worse than whatever it is by their biased writings.

[scook]

To be fair, in 2016, he was praising a very different voting system. Much of the system that guarded the integrity of the balloting has been gutted, using COVID as an excuse to implement vulnerable mail-in systems. Many of these are illegal under the laws of the states implementing them.

The left seems a great deal more inclined to pass laws than to follow them.

[bgreene]

To be fair, in 2016, he was praising a very different voting system. Much of the system that guarded the integrity of the balloting has been gutted, using COVID as an excuse to implement vulnerable mail-in systems. Many of these are illegal under the laws of the states implementing them.

The left seems a great deal more inclined to pass laws than to follow them.

Wrong - our military has been using mail in voting for decades.
How do you think our troops around the world voted .
It works, is accurate and is part of the reason TRUMP LOST

Reason being most BIDEN supporters also knew to help limit COVID spread, it was safer, smarter, and more honorable to vote by mail than go in person to voting centers .
That’s why I ALSO voted by mail .

[scook]

No, it’s not wrong. You’re doing lawyer speak, where you take something that’s true and generalize it to something where it’s not true. The vote by mail in many states has been made radically different than the military system and even our Oregon system that seems to be carefully and probably reasonably honestly administered.

You seem to be missing that I’m not arguing whether Trump won or lost - simply that there is plenty of honest reason to question the integrity of the election process, particularly where vote by mail has been made very vulnerable to fraud.

[bgreene]

No, it’s not wrong. You’re doing lawyer speak, where you take something that’s true and generalize it to something where it’s not true. The vote by mail in many states has been made radically different than the military system and even our Oregon system that seems to be carefully and probably reasonably honestly administered.

You seem to be missing that I’m not arguing whether Trump won or lost - simply that there is plenty of honest reason to question the integrity of the election process, particularly where vote by mail has been made very vulnerable to fraud.

There was no fraud found and trump lost

[scook]

The Arizona study you cited found fraud and was unable to verify the integrity of the ballots counted. I haven’t studied the vote counts/margins in the important states to see how much fraud would be necessary to tip the election, but since you weren’t borne last night, you know that in ANY undertaking the size of our national election there’s going to be fraud. Neither you or I know how much there was.

[Destroyer]

Wrong - our military has been using mail in voting for decades.
How do you think our troops around the world voted .
It works, is accurate and is part of the reason TRUMP LOST

Reason being most BIDEN supporters also knew to help limit COVID spread, it was safer, smarter, and more honorable to vote by mail than go in person to voting centers .
That***8217;s why I ALSO voted by mail .

It works, is accurate and is part of the reason TRUMP LOST[

Correct. Can't argue with you on most of this post. Mail in voting is one of the reasons that President Trump lost a rigged election. There is so much more chance for fraud.

That***8217;s why I ALSO voted by mail

NO, You had NO CHOICE You live in NJ like I do and NJ ONLY had voting by mail. No in person.. so don't make out like you are some kind of noble person.

[bgreene]

A. Yes I am a fairly noble person

B. Trump the cheater warned to stop the vote counting in PA before the mail in ballots came in- because he knew those were mostly BIDEN VOTES from SMART people .

C. Rigged election ? ZERO PROOF - just trumps lies, so you’ll vote to destroy our democracy based on conspiracy theories and lies.
That makes you a traitor to our nation too, no matter how you spin the BS

[Destroyer]

The Arizona study you cited found fraud and was unable to verify the integrity of the ballots counted. I haven’t studied the vote counts/margins in the important states to see how much fraud would be necessary to tip the election, but since you weren’t borne last night, you know that in ANY undertaking the size of our national election there’s going to be fraud. Neither you or I know how much there was.

Isn't it funny that almost no one in the mainstream media seems to want to question or even mention the 57,000 questionable ballots in Az? Yet the very same group of people that tout the integrity of the mail in ballots are the same group that are trying with every legal procedure they can use to stop or delay any recounts. And< I might add, are the very same group of people that are so dead set against any form of voter ID card and in person voting like they use in Canada. You have to wonder how those pesky Canadians, with all their snow and cold, can manage to get to the polling places when Americans can't.

[bgreene]

Isn't it funny that almost no one in the mainstream media seems to want to question or even mention the 57,000 questionable ballots in Az? Yet the very same group of people that tout the integrity of the mail in ballots are the same group that are trying with every legal procedure they can use to stop or delay any recounts. And< I might add, are the very same group of people that are so dead set against any form of voter ID card and in person voting like they use in Canada. You have to wonder how those pesky Canadians, with all their snow and cold, can manage to get to the polling places when Americans can't.

WRONG Conspiracy theory - Biden actual had MORE VOTES after the audit

[Destroyer]

WRONG Conspiracy theory - Biden actual had MORE VOTES after the audit

57,000 questionable votes. Biden got more votes on just the ones that were recounted and validated, but not on the overall number cast.

[bgreene]

57,000 questionable votes. Biden got more votes on just the ones that were recounted and validated, but not on the overall number cast.

You and your voting results nonsense destroyer .
Trump LOST - no election fraud of any consequence found or delivered by trumps people .
Just thrown out of court for lack of evidence .

All you do by supporting trumps lies is weakening our nation and our hard fought for freedom of fair elections . Thats all you do by following the bold brash lying cheating con man traitor that makes you feel like youre somehow a bigger man too. Trump doesnt care about you other than as a vote, unless youre a billionaire donor.

Youre just dumb easily conned white trash to trump.

[Destroyer]

You and your voting results nonsense destroyer .
Trump LOST - no election fraud of any consequence found or delivered by trumps people .
Just thrown out of court for lack of evidence .

All you do by supporting trumps lies is weakening our nation and our hard fought for freedom of fair elections . Thats all you do by following the bold brash lying cheating con man traitor that makes you feel like youre somehow a bigger man too. Trump doesnt care about you other than as a vote, unless youre a billionaire donor.

Youre just dumb easily conned white trash to trump.

LOL And you proport yourself as only interested in facts and truth, but when presented with them and they don't fit into your world view you just conveniently kick them under the table and hope no one notices. What a hypocrite you are.

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[bgreene]

LOL And you proport yourself as only interested in facts and truth, but when presented with them and they don't fit into your world view you just conveniently kick them under the table and hope no one notices. What a hypocrite you are.

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Wrong as usual destroyer - you’ll always be wrong because you’re a traitor to America

[Destroyer]

Wrong as usual destroyer - you’ll always be wrong because you’re a traitor to America

LOL So says the "patriot" that voted for Biden.... Way to go comrade. :you:

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[bgreene]

LOL So says the "patriot" that voted for Biden.... Way to go comrade. :you:

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Yes I did - because Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor

[Destroyer]

Yes I did - because Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor

And you're an anal orifice used for sex. :butt: :you:

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[bgreene]

And you're an anal orifice used for sex. :butt: :you:

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And here it is folks destroyer being vulgar and therefore disrespectful to this web site .
And maybe starting another tantrum

[Destroyer]

And here it is folks destroyer being vulgar and therefore disrespectful to this web site .
And maybe starting another tantrum

Vulgar? Where am I being vulgar? I didn't use any vulgar language, and I used an Emoji that is provided by this website so I hardly think that's being disrespectful to the site. You just keep grasping at straws don't you? Well,
Whatever you say Comrade poopy pants

:haha: YOU :you:

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[bgreene]

Vulgar? Where am I being vulgar? I didn't use any vulgar language, and I used an Emoji that is provided by this website so I hardly think that's being disrespectful to the site. You just keep grasping at straws don't you? Well,
Whatever you say Comrade poopy pants

:haha: YOU :you:

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I don’t write this sort of vulgarity because I have and show respect .
It’s harder to do the right thing, easy to do the wrong which you choose

Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor and that’s why you like him

[Destroyer]

I don’t write this sort of vulgarity because I have and show respect .
It’s harder to do the right thing, easy to do the wrong which you choose

Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor and that’s why you like him

I still say there was nothing vulgar about my post. A little crass perhaps, but not vulgar and most certainly allowed by this site. You need to get your mind repaired.

[bgreene]

I still say there was nothing vulgar about my post. A little crass perhaps, but not vulgar and most certainly allowed by this site. You need to get your mind repaired.

Referring to another as “ an anus for sex “ on this site is vulgar.
You are a vulgar unstable little man .

[Destroyer]

Referring to another as “ an anus for sex “ on this site is vulgar.
You are a vulgar unstable little man .

HUH? I thought I cleaned that up nicely. I didn't want to call you an A$$hole, because I knew you'd say it was vulgar, so I called you by the proper medical term.

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[bgreene]

HUH? I thought I cleaned that up nicely. I didn't want to call you an A$$hole, because I knew you'd say it was vulgar, so I called you by the proper medical term.

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You’re just a vulgar little man who loves the lying cheating con man traitor donald trump

[Destroyer]

You’re just a vulgar little man who loves the lying cheating con man traitor donald trump

Question: Is that going to be your new, new label for me? Because if it is I'm going to have to dream up something equally stupid to start calling you. And I really don't want to do that. I'd rather just debate the actual topics in this thread, but it seems that's something you would rather not do.

Let me explain. All you seem to be able to do is call people names and then repeat your mantra about President Trump. Frankly, it's getting a little old. I keep hoping you'll start intelligent discussions, or at least participate in one's that others start, but I guess that's too much to hope for?

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[bgreene]

Question: Is that going to be your new, new label for me? Because if it is I'm going to have to dream up something equally stupid to start calling you. And I really don't want to do that. I'd rather just debate the actual topics in this thread, but it seems that's something you would rather not do.

Let me explain. All you seem to be able to do is call people names and then repeat your mantra about President Trump. Frankly, it's getting a little old. I keep hoping you'll start intelligent discussions, or at least participate in one's that others start, but I guess that's too much to hope for?

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You’re vulgar and you spin information such as the ratings and other nonsense such as labeling the Insurrection attempt as just a few that got “rowdy.” You’re sneaky just like the lying cheating con man traitor Trump.

[Destroyer]

You***8217;re vulgar and you spin information such as the ratings and other nonsense such as labeling the Insurrection attempt as just a few that got ***8220;rowdy.***8221; You***8217;re sneaky just like the lying cheating con man traitor Trump.

If pointing out inaccuracies of your posts is considered as spin that I guess I'm guilty. But I thought that you were the champion of "facts and truth"? So you're saying that when facts are presented to you that you don't like they are "spin" even if they are truth? How exactly does that work?

There is nothing sneaky about me. I pointed out to you and everyone that over 20,000 people took part in the Jan 6 demonstration. Under 600 were arrested. I pointed out the percentage that was equal to. That wasn't spin, it was fact. Math doesn't lie, math doesn't spin, it's just cold hard fact, and if you can't accept it I cannot help you.

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[bgreene]

If pointing out inaccuracies of your posts is considered as spin that I guess I'm guilty. But I thought that you were the champion of "facts and truth"? So you're saying that when facts are presented to you that you don't like they are "spin" even if they are truth? How exactly does that work?

There is nothing sneaky about me. I pointed out to you and everyone that over 20,000 people took part in the Jan 6 demonstration. Under 600 were arrested. I pointed out the percentage that was equal to. That wasn't spin, it was fact. Math doesn't lie, math doesn't spin, it's just cold hard fact, and if you can't accept it I cannot help you.

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You’re sneaky alright - pretending the insurrection attempt participants were “ just a few wh9 got roudy “ so as to try and minimize this extraordinary historical event. Same as the Reps are doing now with their latest gimmick “ oh that was in the past” let’s forget it and move on.

You know trumps a lying cheating con man traitor

[Destroyer]

You’re sneaky alright - pretending the insurrection attempt participants were “ just a few wh9 got roudy “ so as to try and minimize this extraordinary historical event. Same as the Reps are doing now with their latest gimmick “ oh that was in the past” let’s forget it and move on.

You know trumps a lying cheating con man traitor

There is no extraordinary historical event. People have been demonstrating in front of the capital buildings for as long as I can remember. Have you forgotten the tens of thousands of "***** hat" demonstrators? (as an example).

[bgreene]

There is no extraordinary historical event. People have been demonstrating in front of the capital buildings for as long as I can remember. Have you forgotten the tens of thousands of "***** hat" demonstrators? (as an example).

“ Demonstrating “ you call it - when it was actually a VIOLENT ATTACK to physically try to stop our process of Presidential transfer of power - by a VIOLENT MOB making clear their interest and effort to find and HANG out Vice President .

All supported by the lying, cheating, con man traitor Trump who then said these were very special people that he loved.
You’re a disgrace right along with trump

[Destroyer]

“ Demonstrating “ you call it - when it was actually a VIOLENT ATTACK to physically try to stop our process of Presidential transfer of power - by a VIOLENT MOB making clear their interest and effort to find and HANG out Vice President .

All supported by the lying, cheating, con man traitor Trump who then said these were very special people that he loved.
You’re a disgrace right along with trump

You keep focusing on the less than one thousand (550) idiots that actually trespassed and broke into the capital building instead of the tens of thousands that were there that didn't and were just protesting peacefully. Why is that?

And your definition of violent and mine seem to differ. Violent is burning, looting, attacking, kicking, stoning, beating and killing people like the rioters during the simmer did. (The people that broke into the capital did none of those things) Violent is shooting an unarmed woman in the face, killing her like that capital police thug did. (The people that broke into the capital did none of those things either).

And saying that you love your supporters is somehow bad? How does that work?

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[bgreene]

You keep focusing on the less than one thousand (550) idiots that actually trespassed and broke into the capital building instead of the tens of thousands that were there that didn't and were just protesting peacefully. Why is that?

And your definition of violent and mine seem to differ. Violent is burning, looting, attacking, kicking, stoning, beating and killing people like the rioters during the simmer did. (The people that broke into the capital did none of those things) Violent is shooting an unarmed woman in the face, killing her like that capital police thug did. (The people that broke into the capital did none of those things either).

And saying that you love your supporters is somehow bad? How does that work?
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Destroyer says “ only 500 insurrectionists” as if that’s not enough to matter.
VIOLENT - yes fighting police - smashing their way into our Capitol - yes VIOLENT .
Woman shot and killed because SHE put herself in the front - it’s on tape - to smash and enter our Capitol . She was NOT one of the non violent protestors . There’s no need to focus on the people that were non violent .

You’re just like trump - the lying cheating con man traitor trying to avoid the truth .

[Destroyer]

Destroyer says “ only 500 insurrectionists” as if that’s not enough to matter.
VIOLENT - yes fighting police - smashing their way into our Capitol - yes VIOLENT .
Woman shot and killed because SHE put herself in the front - it’s on tape - to smash and enter our Capitol . She was NOT one of the non violent protestors . There’s no need to focus on the people that were non violent .

You’re just like trump - the lying cheating con man traitor trying to avoid the truth .

Again I'll state that comparing me to President Trump is an honor that I do not deserve. He's done much more than me for our Country. You flatter me.

So you're saying that Criminal Trespass is a reason to be killed? Yes, she was at the front. What the heck does that have to do with anything? There was a wall, there was a door in that wall that was closed, there was a broken window that she was trying to look through. That's reason to murder her?

As for being violent, do I need to point out to you again the difference in the degree of violence between what happened on Jan 6 and what happened throughout the entire summer? There was no burning at the capital. There was no looting at the capital. There was no beating and stomping and rock throwing at the capital. There was no shooting and killing of cops at the capital. ALL of those things happened during the summer riots, but you seem to think they were insignificant compared to the Capital demonstration where NONE of those things happened. How exactly does that play out in your mind?

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[bgreene]

Again I'll state that comparing me to President Trump is an honor that I do not deserve. He's done much more than me for our Country. You flatter me.

So you're saying that Criminal Trespass is a reason to be killed? Yes, she was at the front. What the heck does that have to do with anything? There was a wall, there was a door in that wall that was closed, there was a broken window that she was trying to look through. That's reason to murder her?

As for being violent, do I need to point out to you again the difference in the degree of violence between what happened on Jan 6 and what happened throughout the entire summer? There was no burning at the capital. There was no looting at the capital. There was no beating and stomping and rock throwing at the capital. There was no shooting and killing of cops at the capital. ALL of those things happened during the summer riots, but you seem to think they were insignificant compared to the Capital demonstration where NONE of those things happened. How exactly does that play out in your mind?

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Spin it vulgar little man

[Destroyer]

Spin it vulgar little man

I repeat: So you're saying that Criminal Trespass is a reason to be killed? Yes, she was at the front. What the heck does that have to do with anything? There was a wall, there was a door in that wall that was closed, there was a broken window that she was trying to look through. That's reason to murder her?

As for being violent, do I need to point out to you again the difference in the degree of violence between what happened on Jan 6 and what happened throughout the entire summer? There was no burning at the capital. There was no looting at the capital. There was no beating and stomping and rock throwing at the capital. There was no shooting and killing of cops at the capital. ALL of those things happened during the summer riots, but you seem to think they were insignificant compared to the Capital demonstration where NONE of those things happened. How exactly does that play out in your mind?

You condone all this????

[bgreene]

I repeat: So you're saying that Criminal Trespass is a reason to be killed? Yes, she was at the front. What the heck does that have to do with anything? There was a wall, there was a door in that wall that was closed, there was a broken window that she was trying to look through. That's reason to murder her?

As for being violent, do I need to point out to you again the difference in the degree of violence between what happened on Jan 6 and what happened throughout the entire summer? There was no burning at the capital. There was no looting at the capital. There was no beating and stomping and rock throwing at the capital. There was no shooting and killing of cops at the capital. ALL of those things happened during the summer riots, but you seem to think they were insignificant compared to the Capital demonstration where NONE of those things happened. How exactly does that play out in your mind?

You condone all this????

“ Condone” ….ohhhh suddenly destroyer playing the “ how could they” sensitivity card game.

As if you can justify and minimize the violent insurrection attempt at our Capitol to stop Biden from taking office . This was the greatest threat to our democracy since the civil war and you’re playing “ oh yeh but did they throw rocks “? They threw lots of things mr sneak

[Destroyer]

“ Condone” ….ohhhh suddenly destroyer playing the “ how could they” sensitivity card game.

As if you can justify and minimize the violent insurrection attempt at our Capitol to stop Biden from taking office . This was the greatest threat to our democracy since the civil war and you’re playing “ oh yeh but did they throw rocks “? They threw lots of things mr sneak

Mr. Sneak? Another new attack? how original. Sensitivity card? What the heck are you talking about? Do you even know anymore?
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[bgreene]

Fox News silent after their own reporter compared Dr Fauci to the monsterous most evil nazi Joseph Mengele - who performed horrific physical torture on children and adults

Mengele did such things as repeated breaking child’s bone in same place to see how many times it would heal .

And Fox News has been silent against the outrage about their reporters quote .

[Destroyer]

Fox News silent after their own reporter compared Dr Fauci to the monsterous most evil nazi Joseph Mengele - who performed horrific physical torture on children and adults

Mengele did such things as repeated breaking child’s bone in same place to see how many times it would heal .

And Fox News has been silent against the outrage about their reporters quote .

So? She compared Fauci to Mengela. So what? What would you have them do? Tar and feather her? She's entitled to her opinion, just like you are. But you're right, Fauci didn't break a child's bones over and over... he confined his experiments to Bats and Dogs. (Oh, and he may be partially responsible for the millions of people worldwide that have died because of the Covid virus through gain of Function research that was originally funded with money from his organization). But I guess that's to trivial a matter for you to discuss. Right?

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[bgreene]

So? She compared Fauci to Mengela. So what? What would you have them do? Tar and feather her? She's entitled to her opinion, just like you are. But you're right, Fauci didn't break a child's bones over and over... he confined his experiments to Bats and Dogs. (Oh, and he may be partially responsible for the millions of people worldwide that have died because of the Covid virus through gain of Function research that was originally funded with money from his organization). But I guess that's to trivial a matter for you to discuss. Right?

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Destroyer - your lack of moral character is quite clear

[Destroyer]

Destroyer - your lack of moral character is quite clear

Ahhh number 5 post with the same copy/past reply.

You know, anytime you resort to ducking a question or an opposing statement it's obvious that you either don't have an answer or you know that what was said was true and you just don't want to admit it.

Why do you even bother to post on these forums if all you are capable of is repeating the same BS over and over?

Your lack of intelligence is obvious, but I'm too much of a gentleman to say so.

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[bgreene]

Ahhh number 5 post with the same copy/past reply.

You know, anytime you resort to ducking a question or an opposing statement it's obvious that you either don't have an answer or you know that what was said was true and you just don't want to admit it.

Why do you even bother to post on these forums if all you are capable of is repeating the same BS over and over?

Your lack of intelligence is obvious, but I'm too much of a gentleman to say so.

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Too much of a vulgar, nasty fact denier- destroyer .

[Destroyer]

Too much of a vulgar, nasty fact denier- destroyer .

To much of a vulgar, nasty, liar - BGreene

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[bgreene]

To much of a vulgar, nasty, liar - BGreene

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Hahahah accuse me of being vulgar . Funny !
Destroyer seems to be warming up to his next tantrum

[Pipe_Dream]

Fox News silent after their own reporter compared Dr Fauci to the monsterous most evil nazi Joseph Mengele - who performed horrific physical torture on children and adults



Poor baby.

Kinda like when you compare Trump to Hitler.

[bgreene]

Poor baby.

Kinda like when you compare Trump to Hitler.

Ah yes - comparison to trump is based on the methods trump used as I previously outlined:
1. Define an enemy and lie about it
2. Attach the lies to stir nationalistic anger
3. Keep repeating the lies to achieve power
4. Once power achieved start cracking down on freedoms
5 . Achieve total control

That was in fact what trump tried to do - and will likely try again.
This was same model used by Hitler - until he brought on the destruction of his country .

[Pipe_Dream]

Ah yes - comparison to trump is based on the methods trump used as I previously outlined:
1. Define an enemy and lie about it
2. Attach the lies to stir nationalistic anger
3. Keep repeating the lies to achieve power
4. Once power achieved start cracking down on freedoms
5 . Achieve total control

That was in fact what trump tried to do - and will likely try again.
This was same model used by Hitler - until he brought on the destruction of his country .

None of which is a valid comparison.

But do go on.

[bgreene]

None of which is a valid comparison.

But do go on.

Oh we have a know it all here in the form of pipe dream

[Destroyer]

Oh we have a know it all here in the form of pipe dream


And once again you resort to a personal attack rather than actually address the topic.

You mentioned several things that you say makes Trump like Hitler. Lets take them one at a time shall we?

"Define an enemy and lie about it" What enemy did Trump define and lie about?

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