Mike Pence stands up for American Democracy

[bgreene]

Yesterday in his speech former VP Mike Pence defended our constitution for free and fair elections.

Pence who served with great loyalty to trump draws the line at upholding our American election principles .

Pence said he certified the election results proudly and also said no one person has the right to change the elected outcome.

“ We the people “ yes this is the America I salute not the lying traitor trump

https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-pence-he-was-proud-to-certify-election-rebukes-trump-2021-6

[Pipe_Dream]

Mike Pence: "Biden Broke Our Deal With the Taliban/It's a foreign-policy humiliation unlike anything our country has endured since the Iran hostage crisis" (Wall Street Journal)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-pence-biden-broke-our-deal-with-the-taliban-11629238764?mod=djemalertNEWS

In February 2020, the Trump administration reached an agreement that required the Taliban to end all attacks on U.S. military personnel, to refuse terrorists safe harbor, and to negotiate with Afghan leaders on creating a new government."
As long as these conditions were met, the U.S. would conduct a gradual and orderly withdrawal of military forces. Unanimously endorsed by the United Nations Security Council, the agreement immediately brought to Afghanistan a stability unseen in decades.
In the past 18 months, the U.S. has not suffered a single combat casualty there. By the time we left office, the Afghan government and the Taliban each controlled their respective territories, neither was mounting major offensives, and America had only 2,500 U.S. troops in the country—the smallest military presence since the war began in 2001.
America’s endless war was coming to a dignified end, and Bagram Air Base ensured we could conduct counterterrorism missions through the war’s conclusion. The progress our administration made toward ending the war was possible because Taliban leaders understood that the consequences of violating the deal would be swift and severe.
After our military took out Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, and U.S. Special Forces killed the leader of ISIS, the Taliban had no doubt we would keep our promise.
But when Mr. Biden became president, he quickly announced that U.S. forces would remain in Afghanistan for an additional four months without a clear reason for doing so.
There was no plan to transport the billions of dollars worth of American equipment recently captured by the Taliban, or evacuate the thousands of Americans now scrambling to escape Kabul, or facilitate the regional resettlement of the thousands of Afghan refugees who will now be seeking asylum in the U.S. with little or no vetting.
Rather, it seems that the president simply didn’t want to appear to be abiding by the terms of a deal negotiated by his predecessor.
Once Mr. Biden broke the deal, the Taliban launched a major offensive against the Afghan government and seized Kabul. They knew there was no credible threat of force under this president...

[Destroyer]

Mike Pence: "Biden Broke Our Deal With the Taliban/It's a foreign-policy humiliation unlike anything our country has endured since the Iran hostage crisis" (Wall Street Journal)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-pence-biden-broke-our-deal-with-the-taliban-11629238764?mod=djemalertNEWS
In February 2020, the Trump administration reached an agreement that required the Taliban to end all attacks on U.S. military personnel, to refuse terrorists safe harbor, and to negotiate with Afghan leaders on creating a new government."
As long as these conditions were met, the U.S. would conduct a gradual and orderly withdrawal of military forces. Unanimously endorsed by the United Nations Security Council, the agreement immediately brought to Afghanistan a stability unseen in decades.
In the past 18 months, the U.S. has not suffered a single combat casualty there. By the time we left office, the Afghan government and the Taliban each controlled their respective territories, neither was mounting major offensives, and America had only 2,500 U.S. troops in the country—the smallest military presence since the war began in 2001.
America’s endless war was coming to a dignified end, and Bagram Air Base ensured we could conduct counterterrorism missions through the war’s conclusion. The progress our administration made toward ending the war was possible because Taliban leaders understood that the consequences of violating the deal would be swift and severe.
After our military took out Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, and U.S. Special Forces killed the leader of ISIS, the Taliban had no doubt we would keep our promise.
But when Mr. Biden became president, he quickly announced that U.S. forces would remain in Afghanistan for an additional four months without a clear reason for doing so.
There was no plan to transport the billions of dollars worth of American equipment recently captured by the Taliban, or evacuate the thousands of Americans now scrambling to escape Kabul, or facilitate the regional resettlement of the thousands of Afghan refugees who will now be seeking asylum in the U.S. with little or no vetting.
Rather, it seems that the president simply didn’t want to appear to be abiding by the terms of a deal negotiated by his predecessor.
Once Mr. Biden broke the deal, the Taliban launched a major offensive against the Afghan government and seized Kabul. They knew there was no credible threat of force under this president...



That says it all. :clap: Well posted Pipe. :clap:

[bgreene]

VP Pence - the man trump threw under the bus because Pence fulfilled his role and wouldn’t cheat for trump

[Destroyer]

VP Pence - the man trump threw under the bus because Pence fulfilled his role and wouldn***8217;t cheat for trump


Yep, that's the same guy. What's your point? I thought you liked Pence because Trump turned on him? Do you think that somehow makes this post less truthful? :head:

Read the post again and comment on it, not who Pence is or what Trump did or didn't do. This isn't about them.
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[bgreene]

Trump will sell anyone out for his own gains.
Pence about as vocally loyal VP to Trump imaginable .

So what did trump do - turned on Pence because he wouldnt support trumps election lies.
And trumps violent mob searched for Pence in the Capitol with intention to hang him.

And you support this traitor .
Sick

[Destroyer]

Trump will sell anyone out for his own gains.
Pence about as vocally loyal VP to Trump imaginable .

So what did trump do - turned on Pence because he wouldnt support trumps election lies.
And trumps violent mob searched for Pence in the Capitol with intention to hang him.

And you support this traitor .
Sick


And once again you dodge the actual subject of this post and just repeat your mantra about President Trump. Are you completely incapable of actually debating a subject?
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[bgreene]

Theres no debate to trumps lying disinformation campaign - it’s clear and real.

Theres no debating what trump did to Mike Pence.

So Pence has an opinion on Afghanistan. Fine .

[Pipe_Dream]

So Pence has an opinion on Afghanistan. Fine .

And what do you think of it?

You know, aside from Orange Man Bad.

[bgreene]

I think Biden Admin could have done a much better job of withdrawal prep.
I think some of what Pence said reasonable.

I dont deny wrong doing, or mistakes .
Thats not how I function as an honest American patriot .

[Destroyer]

I think Biden Admin could have done a much better job of withdrawal prep.
I think some of what Pence said reasonable.

I dont deny wrong doing, or mistakes .
Thats not how I function as an honest American patriot .


I agree with your assessment of Biden and of Pence

[bgreene]

Destroyer …….Your “agreement” means only something to you and your cronies, because you’re history of posts shows you’re a promoter of lies and deceit .

So go have a play date with the likes of trump and the lying fired fake news reporter Lou Dobbs.

[Destroyer]

Destroyer …….Your “agreement” means only something to you and your cronies, because you’re history of posts shows you’re a promoter of lies and deceit .

So go have a play date with the likes of trump and the lying fired fake news reporter Lou Dobbs.


OKay...........

[bgreene]

Good - Lou Dobbs - such a fraud liar even Fox News had to fire him.

[Destroyer]

Whatever you say......

[bgreene]

Mike Pence - loyal till the end when trump through him under the bus .
That was quite a show .

Then trump got on his plane and went to Florida to sulk — while Pence attended the inauguration .

[Destroyer]

Mike Pence - loyal till the end when trump through him under the bus .
That was quite a show .

Then trump got on his plane and went to Florida to sulk — while Pence attended the inauguration .

Threw*

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[bgreene]

[QUOTE=Destroyer;243417]Threw*

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Correct “ threw” and “ through “ it all, Pence remained loyal to the lying, cheating traitor trump .

[Destroyer]

[QUOTE=Destroyer;243417]Threw*

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Correct “ threw” and “ through “ it all, Pence remained loyal to the lying, cheating traitor trump .


Yep. That was probably the low point in President Trumps tenure. Not everything that he did I agree with. I understand why and what was going through his mind, but Pence deserved better.

[bgreene]

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Yep. That was probably the low point in President Trumps tenure. Not everything that he did I agree with. I understand why and what was going through his mind, but Pence deserved better.

You call trump knowing Pence and his family were at the Capitol while under attack as just a low point for trump ????
Disgusting

You agree with trumps environmental roll backs ?
You agree with trumps decision to open our protected north east salt water zone to commercial fishing ?
You agree with trump to open our ANWAR to oil and gas drilling even though most Americans against it ?

Sad

[Destroyer]

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You call trump knowing Pence and his family were at the Capitol while under attack as just a low point for trump ????
Disgusting

You agree with trumps environmental roll backs ?
You agree with trumps decision to open our protected north east salt water zone to commercial fishing ?
You agree with trump to open our ANWAR to oil and gas drilling even though most Americans against it ?

Sad

Yes, I agree with all of them. Take those bullet points of yours and follow them to their conclusion.

A) The environmental roll backs allowed farmers to use fields they were forbidden to use because there was a small c ow watering pond on them. The law prohibited them from using it because they said that the pond was a "resource" and under the control of the EPA. A broad overreach of a governmental agency. ALL of the laws that were repealed were either replaced will better ones or were simply repeats of other existing laws and were allowed to die.

B) President Obama created the protected zone. This was not something long established. It was a place fishermen had for centuries harvested lobsters and crabs, and its creation drew the ire of commercial fishing groups, some of whom sued. Trump said Obama’s establishment of the conservation area and banning fishing “was deeply unfair to Maine lobstermen.” “We want conservation and good environmental practices — that’s very important — but we also want something that’s fair to you,” he told the fishermen.

C) The ONLY reason that "most Americans were against it" as you say is because they were told to be against it by the far left controlled media. "Most" Americans are for lower gas prices at the pumps. The fact is that there are potentially billions of gallons of oil there. The sale was for exploration and drilling but because of the economy at the time there was almost zero interest by the big oil companies. Only 3 leases were sold, one to Alaska itself, one to a small oil company and one to a real estate company. It made no sense to explore because of the shale oil that was being harvested that had made America into an oil exporter for the first time since the the 1940's and had resulted in lower prices at the pumps. Biden, of course, squashed that in his first days in office and in 6 months has brought America back to the 1970's where we are dependent on imported oil from OPEC and gas prices that are almost a dollar and a quarter higher per gallon. Biden's solution was to beg OPEC to increase production. (They said no)

[bgreene]

Wrong destroyer ….

A. Some parts of our wild America are worth preserving - forever.
B. Short term fishing gains that result in destruction of our fisheries also not worth it.

And the list of HARMFUL environmental roll back trump enacted is long.

Trumps so bad he even approves killing wolf pups in their dens, and baiting wolves and bears with poison.
Meanwhile, restoration of wolfs has proven to rebalance nature .

FACTS matter over your BS

[Pipe_Dream]

Wrong destroyer ….

A. Some parts of our wild America are worth preserving - forever.
B. Short term fishing gains that result in destruction of our fisheries also not worth it.


FACTS matter over your BS

Those are opinions and misrepresentations, not facts.

[bgreene]

Wrong again Pipe - opinion yes and FACTS

You probably aren’t even aware of Trumps horrible environmental damage to our country.
All you like is how trump sounds at rallies

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html

[Pipe_Dream]

Wrong again Pipe - opinion yes and FACTS

You probably aren’t even aware of Trumps horrible environmental damage to our country.
All you like is how trump sounds at rallies

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html

I'm not paying to look at some NYT :bsflag:

The NYT is a partisan rag and not worth the cost of the paper it used to be printed on.