The siege on our Capitol

[bgreene]

This Friday at 10 pm on CNN special report including video coverage of the thugs attacking our government, police and more.

For those who discount CNN the video coverage shows the truth as it happened and while Trump and his lawyer called for his followers to fight hard and trial by combat .

Yeh some of you dont want to see it because you may not be able to handle the TRUTH

[Destroyer]

This Friday at 10 pm on CNN special report including video coverage of the thugs attacking our government, police and more.

For those who discount CNN the video coverage shows the truth as it happened and while Trump and his lawyer called for his followers to fight hard and trial by combat .

Yeh some of you dont want to see it because you may not be able to handle the TRUTH

First, There was no SIEGE on our capital.

Second, despite numerous requests you still have not produced a single shred of evidence to substantiate your baseless rumor that President Trump called for the demonstrators to physically fight with Capital police. In FACT, at one point he (The President) called for them to remain peaceful. But of course you'll ignore that FACT and just post more bullcrap won't you?

Third, the ONLY person that doesn't seem to want to hear the truth is the originator of this thread.

Forth, given the fact that CNN is and has been anti-Trump for the last 5 years I highly doubt that anything they have to say will be truthful.

[bgreene]

Destroyer caught my misspelling ! Congratulations !

When CNN shows actual footage of the attack on our Capitol I bet you wont watch because you cant handle the truth.

Shred of evidence you say what a sad joke.
VP Pence called in the Nation Guard to help not Trump .

Trumps a traitor to our nation who wanted our VP killed because he wouldnt CHEAT for him.
Trump belongs in prison and may be headed there for tax fraud just like Al Capone.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/01/06/reports-trump-resisted-sending-national-guard-to-quell-violent-mob-at-us-capitol/

[bgreene]

Only AFTER being pressured did the traitor Trump make his comments condemning the attack on our Capitol AND admitting he LOST THE ELECTION.

FACTS MATTER not trumps lies and deception.

CNN FULL REPORT this Friday at 10 pm .

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/07/954587997/white-house-condemns-violence-on-capitol-hill-without-addressing-trumps-role

[Pipe_Dream]

First, There was no SIEGE on our capital.

Second, despite numerous requests you still have not produced a single shred of evidence to substantiate your baseless rumor that President Trump called for the demonstrators to physically fight with Capital police. In FACT, at one point he (The President) called for them to remain peaceful. But of course you'll ignore that FACT and just post more bullcrap won't you?

Third, the ONLY person that doesn't seem to want to hear the truth is the originator of this thread.

Forth, given the fact that CNN is and has been anti-Trump for the last 5 years I highly doubt that anything they have to say will be truthful.

:clap:

I wonder (really I don't) what they'll spin regarding the killing of Ashli Babbitt?

[bgreene]

You wonder Pipe ? Good watch the CNN Capitol attack this Friday at 10 pm

Ashli B was fired upon after refusing to STOP as ordered by security while she vandalized and was breaking into our Capitol while wearing a trump flag.

She was one of the 5 that died associated with that Trump mob intent on killing members of our government including our VP . Followers of the traitor former President trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ashli-babbitt-capitol-police-shooting/2021/04/14/452fb414-666a-11eb-886d-5264d4ceb46d_story.html

[bgreene]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/captiol-riot-first-sentence/2021/06/23/8b2825d8-d39c-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html

Judge rules

[Destroyer]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/captiol-riot-first-sentence/2021/06/23/8b2825d8-d39c-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html

Judge rules

Kangaroo Court

[bgreene]

Kangaroo Court


Hahahah Destroyer you cant handle the truth !!
Capitol Insurrection Report CNN tomorrow at 10 pm.
I figure you’ll have your TV unplugged and hidden !!
Actual footage as it happened ……spin that into your BS

[Pipe_Dream]

It sure seems like the majority of left-liberals would say they regard the shooting of Ashli Babbitt by the police as completely justified despite the fact that she was unarmed and not engaged in violence.


I wonder, do they feel the Capitol Police should have gunned down all the people who entered the Capitol that day, or just her?

[bgreene]

Pipe If you’re going to smash into our US Capitol along with a mob of others and keep moving forward despite being ordered to stop at gun point that puts yourself into life or death situation.

Should the officer have fired on her ? Personally Id say probably no but the woman put herself into that situation.

[Pipe_Dream]

Breaking News: First dangerous "insurrectionist" sentenced. 49 year old Indiana grandmother gets a $500 fine and probation. Her guilty plea was for “parading, picketing and demonstrating”. Whew. Domestic terrorist for sure. Some would seem to say that she should be thankful that she wasn't killed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4neNXjX0AIzOjd?format=jpg&name=small

[bgreene]

Pipe - clear now that you stand with the thugs who broke into our Capitol, attacked police, set up a gallows to hang our Vice President, damaged our building, while chanted hang them .

So I suppose you would also support a mob that broke into your house or business in similar fashion ?

People that side with WRONG rather than deal with whats right disappoint , but many poeple are sheep. Bahaha bahahah

CNN tomorrow 10 pm if you have the backbone to deal with the ACTUAL FOOTAGE.

[Pipe_Dream]

Too bad for Ashli Babbitt that she wasn't breaking into a Foot Locker store.

[Pipe_Dream]

Too bad that some interpret sarcasm and the questioning of law enforcement tactics and double standards as support for rioters, which it isn't. But it does illuminate the thought processes that help them to get so much else wrong.

[bgreene]

Keeping the discussion clear pipe your point is its not fair a theif stealing a tv from a store rarely gets shot by police but woman breaking into our CAPITOL did.

Agreed its not fair. A lot of penalties for crimes wind up not fair.

[Destroyer]

Keeping the discussion clear pipe your point is its not fair a theif stealing a tv from a store rarely gets shot by police but woman breaking into our CAPITOL did.

Agreed its not fair. A lot of penalties for crimes wind up not fair.

Since we're being clear, lets be clear about Ashli Babbitt. She was a 14 year military veteran of the Air Force. She was unarmed. She used to be military police and it's unclear if she even saw the thug that shot her. NO witness has stated that the person that shot her made any vocal command to stop of be shot. She did NOT break the glass window. (The police have charged a man with that crime) She was being hoisted up to the window by other people and while the "official" account says she was trying to climb through it several other people have stated that she just wanted to look through it (The windows were stained glass making it impossible to look through the intact ones). So here's a woman that dedicated 14 years of her life to her Country, was in Washington to assemble for a redress of her grievances as described by the Constitution of the United States that was needlessly and senselessly gunned down by a trigger happy piece of crap that you are defending. Shame on you.

[bgreene]

Wrong again Destroyer - that woman was committing a crime at her own free will, in the company of a mob attacking police and smashing their way into our Capitol.

She refused to stop at gun point and paid the price for her actions .
Was it an excessive price ? Yes but she put herself in that position .

Like a priest that rapes boys just because he preaches on Sunday doesn’t mean he gets a pass on his actions.

CNN tonight at 10 pm. The Capitol Insurrection. Watch it …… especially you .

[Pipe_Dream]

Since we're being clear, lets be clear about Ashli Babbitt. She was a 14 year military veteran of the Air Force. She was unarmed. She used to be military police and it's unclear if she even saw the thug that shot her. NO witness has stated that the person that shot her made any vocal command to stop of be shot. She did NOT break the glass window. (The police have charged a man with that crime) She was being hoisted up to the window by other people and while the "official" account says she was trying to climb through it several other people have stated that she just wanted to look through it (The windows were stained glass making it impossible to look through the intact ones). So here's a woman that dedicated 14 years of her life to her Country, was in Washington to assemble for a redress of her grievances as described by the Constitution of the United States that was needlessly and senselessly gunned down by a trigger happy piece of crap that you are defending. Shame on you.

And we still don't know who shot her. Imagine a law enforcement officer shooting a BLM or other leftist protester as they attacked a police station. How long would their identity be a secret?

[bgreene]

No we don’t know the officers name who shot Emili and their famil is suing to get the name.

That said Emili PUT HERSELF IN THAT POSITION…..by joining the violent mob and trying to break into our Capitol.
Her own fault .

[Pipe_Dream]

If the shooting was justified, why don't we already know who did it? In virtually every other police shooting, justified or not, the LEO's name is released shortly after the incident.

[bgreene]

Pipe ……before you start going down the conspiracy tube know the FACTS:

“While D.C. police are required by law to release the names of officers involved in deaths or serious uses of force within five days of the incident, the Capitol Police force is not—and has often chosen to withhold that information in previous cases”

Capitol police are also not required to wear body camera.

So now you know. Some of you guys jump to WRONG CONCLUSIONS just to fit your narrative.

Me it’s about FACTS

[Destroyer]

No we don’t know the officers name who shot Emili and their famil is suing to get the name.

That said Emili PUT HERSELF IN THAT POSITION…..by joining the violent mob and trying to break into our Capitol.
Her own fault .

Her name was Ashli Babbitt, not Emili. You really are confused!!

Say her name Ashli Babbitt !! Say her name Ashli Babbitt !!
Say her name Ashli Babbitt !! Say her name Ashli Babbitt !!
Say her name Ashli Babbitt !! Say her name Ashli Babbitt !!
Say her name Ashli Babbitt !! Say her name Ashli Babbitt !!

[Destroyer]

Pipe ……before you start going down the conspiracy tube know the FACTS:

“While D.C. police are required by law to release the names of officers involved in deaths or serious uses of force within five days of the incident, the Capitol Police force is not—and has often chosen to withhold that information in previous cases”

Capitol police are also not required to wear body camera.

So now you know. Some of you guys jump to WRONG CONCLUSIONS just to fit your narrative.

Me it’s about FACTS

Oh really? Name one. Name a single different case where they have chosen to withhold that information. You made the statement, now back it up!

You say you're all about facts, but you never produce any. Just more and more of what you think is reality. (Which is very distorted by the way).

[bgreene]

Not Left or Right Destroyer …..RIGHT or WRONG .

ANYONE who joins a mob that’s attacking police and smashing into our Govt building
where our VP and others in danger puts themselves at risk for stress related gun fire

[Destroyer]

Ahhh... so now it's "stress related Gunfire"? Does that somehow make murder right? I'm sure her family is relieved to know that it's all okay, she was just the victim of "Stress related gunfire".

SHE WAS MURDERED

As soon as that shot rang out everyone in the hallway stopped what they were doing. If that "police" officer (THUG) had simply shot into the ceiling the same thing would have happened.

[bgreene]

This any different from any other case of police over action ?

NO

This womans actions of her own choosing put her in harms way.

[Destroyer]

This any different from any other case of police over action ?

NO

This womans actions of her own choosing put her in harms way.

We know the name of the police officer that killed George Floyd. In fact, he was just sentenced to 22 and a half years in federal prison. Why don't we know the police officers name? Why hasn't he been charged with murder just like the one that killed Floyd? You admit this was a police over action, and you even called it "stress related gunfire". You know deep down that it was wrong, yet you still defend this like it was some kind of jaywalking incident, hardly worth pursuing.

It was MURDER and I don't care what side of the room you're on, it shouldn't be squashed because it happened in the capital building. I can't, for the life of me understand how you can not at least want a full, in depth investigation. This should have gone to a grand jury inquiry already.

[bgreene]

Capitol police are not required to be named .

Walk in traffic and you may get hit by a car.

Break into our Capitol , refuse to stop while in a group thats assaulting police and then say murder . It wasnt a peaceful protest it was a violent assault .

That woman put herself in that position.

[Pipe_Dream]

We know the name of the police officer that killed George Floyd. In fact, he was just sentenced to 22 and a half years in federal prison. Why don't we know the police officers name? Why hasn't he been charged with murder just like the one that killed Floyd? You admit this was a police over action, and you even called it "stress related gunfire". You know deep down that it was wrong, yet you still defend this like it was some kind of jaywalking incident, hardly worth pursuing.

It was MURDER and I don't care what side of the room you're on, it shouldn't be squashed because it happened in the capital building. I can't, for the life of me understand how you can not at least want a full, in depth investigation. This should have gone to a grand jury inquiry already.

Just stop, Destroyer. Don't you know that asking questions is "going down the conspiracy tube?"

[bgreene]

Pipe you didnt even know Capitol police are not required to be named on a shooting .

You kept asking why isnt the name released .

FACTS matter

https://www.businessinsider.com/ivanka-trump-downplayed-capitol-riot-optics-issue-book-2021-6?amp

[Pipe_Dream]

Two tiers of justice.

[bgreene]

Two tiers of justice.

Pipe - this reply of yours is vague non specific and suggestive rather than meaningful.
Maybe you should post on a philosophy forum .

Uncertain and bad things can and do happen when a person is committing a crime with a mob fighting against armed police.

[bgreene]

Arnold tells it as it is ……


https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/watch-arnold-schwarzenegger-condemns-insurrectionists.html

[Destroyer]

Pipe you didnt even know Capitol police are not required to be named on a shooting .

You kept asking why isnt the name released .

FACTS matter

https://www.businessinsider.com/ivanka-trump-downplayed-capitol-riot-optics-issue-book-2021-6?amp

LOL YOu call what is really nothing more than an advertisement for a forthcoming book as facts? No wonder you're so mixed up.

[Destroyer]

Arnold tells it as it is ……


https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/watch-arnold-schwarzenegger-condemns-insurrectionists.html

Who the heck gives a crap what some old, washed up Hollywood has been star thinks? If this is how you get your information and opinions no wonder you're so confused. :head:

[bgreene]

Who the heck gives a crap what some old, washed up Hollywood has been star thinks? If this is how you get your information and opinions no wonder you're so confused. :head:

Destroyer - so called old people have no value to you ?
Quite a meaningful personal story from Arnold Schwarzenegger — self made man who came from small Austrian town and became Governor of California .

[Destroyer]

Two tiers of justice.

Pipe, you hit the nail on the head. You want an even bigger demonstration of the two tiers of justice? All the media and Democrats keep calling it the "Jan 6 insurrection"... You see it all over the place. But the really funny thing is that none of the protesters, .....NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON has been charged with either insurrection or sedition. In FACT, almost all of those arrested have only been charged with criminal trespass. (A misdemeanor). Yet they have been keep imprisoned for almost 6 months already, without bail, many of them in solitary confinement.

Now compare that to the all the rioters that took place last year in 22 major cities. Several Democrat lawmakers and Hollywood elites actually started funds to make money available for bail for anyone arrested during the riots. Buildings were burned, cars overturned and set on fire, stores were looted, people were beaten and shot, cops were locked in their own precinct house and then the building was set on fire, pallets of rocks and bricks were stockpiled beforehand for the rioters to throw at the police. OVER a BILLION dollars in damages were caused by them, and almost all of the rioters and looters were let out, (most on the same day), and charges were dropped by liberal prosecutors and judges.

If that doesn't show the two tiered justice system nothing will.

Of course, I'm sure there will be people that will come back, ignore everything I just typed and say some kind of nonsense about how "facts matter" and how the people that took part in the Jan 6, mostly peaceful demonstration have only themselves to blame and that they are being treated the same as all criminals..... in other words, more silly BS.

[bgreene]

Destroyer - you even have excuses for your excuses.

This is about the Trump led violent attack on our Capitol
Yes the attack with goal to hang our Vice President and other members of our top government gets more attention than inner city violence.

Whats at stake here is the democracy of our nation threatened by the shrewd lying con man former president trump .

These meaningful words from Arnold Schwarzenegger are honest and important .
You disrespect Arnold for being old and a former actor. Thats just wrong. Ronald Reagan was also an actor, and of advanced age as President. Your set of values is disrespectful, mean spirited and unfair. Who are you in comparison to Arnold and Ronald Reagan ?

https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/watch-arnold-schwarzenegger-condemns-insurrectionists.html

[Destroyer]

Destroyer - so called old people have no value to you ?
Quite a meaningful personal story from Arnold Schwarzenegger — self made man who came from small Austrian town and became Governor of California .

Whoopie-doo, So that means you should follow everything he says? Boy, do I have a great deal for you. You see, I own this bridge in Manhattan that connects to Brooklyn. It's a sure fire money maker and I'll sell it to you for cheap. I've made all the money I need from it and it's time I gave it to someone else so they can get rich also. Contact me and we can arrange price and payment.

(Oh, and I think that since I'm older than Arnold you would have realized that your comment on old people would fall on deaf ears).

Now go ahead and contact me for the price on that bridge. I'm selling it for a great price. No, really, it's a steal.

[Destroyer]

Destroyer - you even have excuses for your excuses.

This is about the Trump led violent attack on our Capitol
Yes the attack with goal to hang our Vice President and other members of our top government gets more attention than inner city violence.

Whats at stake here is the democracy of our nation threatened by the shrewd lying con man former president trump .

These meaningful words from Arnold Schwarzenegger are honest and important .
You disrespect Arnold for being old and a former actor. That's just wrong. Ronald Reagan was also an actor, and of advanced age as President. Your set of values is disrespectful, mean spirited and unfair. Who are you in comparison to Arnold and Ronald Reagan ?

https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/watch-arnold-schwarzenegger-condemns-insurrectionists.html

Who am I? Well, to start, I'm 5 years OLDER than Arnold. And even though he was the Governor of Ca he was terrible at it. He was a good actor, but now he's just getting attention any way that he can. You can call what I said about him as being disrespectful. I call it being truthful. I'm not some wild adoring fan of ANY Hollywood elite. What did they do for me? I pay them to amuse me with their movies and after the movie is done I forget about them.
They are inconsequential to me. So like I said, he's an old, washed up actor, and I couldn't give a crap about anything he or anyone else in Hollywood says. As for President Reagan, that was a man that I would have been proud to call a friend. You see, it's not how old you are, it's what you do with your life as you age that's important. Even Biden is better than Arnold.

It's nice to see how you just wash everything I said about the summer riots under the table and don't really comment on them. You just ignore them because it doesn't fit into your agenda. In fact, you just about did everything I predicted you would do. You don't disappoint. :you:

[bgreene]

Destroyer - as the saying goes youre certainly entitled to your opinion.

And thats all it is..an opinion not based on facts as it applies the the lying con man traitor trump encouraging the attack on our Capitol and on our democracy.

Trump referred to those that attacked the police, smashed their way into our Capitol, set up a gallows to hang our Vice President as wonderful special people . Trumps a disgrace and traitor to our nation

Trump deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison .

[Destroyer]

Destroyer - as the saying goes youre certainly entitled to your opinion.

And that's all it is..an opinion not based on facts as it applies the the lying con man traitor trump encouraging the attack on our Capitol and on our democracy.

Trump referred to those that attacked the police, smashed their way into our Capitol, set up a gallows to hang our Vice President as wonderful special people . Trumps a disgrace and traitor to our nation

Trump deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison .

According to many news sources from both sides of the aisle including FOX, Newsmax, CNN and NBC, about 500-800 people (depending on who you listen to) entered into the Capital. That, out of the over 20,000 demonstrators that actually were there. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Most of the people arrested have been charged with criminal trespass and other assorted trumped up crimes like carrying a dangerous weapon (a traffic cone, or a can of bear repellent or even wearing helmets. (The theory being they could be used as a weapon.) NONE have been charged with insurrection or sedition. The gallows you keep talking about in your posts was a regrettable sight done by a FEW stupid people, but would not have held even a 50 lb. sack of potatoes. It was symbolic. Stupid, yes, but not a threat.

It's now been revealed that the actual "riot" may have been caused by left wing agitators that wanted exactly the results they got, for political reasons. It only takes a few people scattered throughout a crowd with bullhorns or shouting at the top of their lungs to get a crowd chanting or moving.

EVERYTHING in my posts are facts, not opinions, easily verifiable by simply doing a little research.

.

[wellcraftv20step]

:clap:

[bgreene]

Destroyer - please provide the quote and source specific to your nonsensical claim ref its now been revealed etc.


More nonsense

[Pipe_Dream]

:clap:
Indeed.

:clap:

[bgreene]

The TRUMP SUPPORTERS who attacked and broke into our Capitol said they believed they were being instructed to do so by Trump.

If you watch the videos after they broke in they proudly said lets call trump .
They were so proud of their violence, destruction, and threat to our Vice President.

So the couple of trump lovers here on this web site will cling to the lies in support of the con man traitor trump. Sad but theres always the minority that cant handle the truth.

And the minority in our great nation are trump supporters
Minority because most Americans CAN handle the truth and we voted him out

[Pipe_Dream]

Evidently the one vehement Trump detractor on this site is clinging to misinformation. Sad but there's always a minority who do that.

I have no more time or patience for this as I have something much more important to attend to.

Later.

[bgreene]

Evidently the one vehement Trump detractor on this site is clinging to misinformation. Sad but there's always a minority who do that.

I have no more time or patience for this as I have something much more important to attend to.

Later.

Because you have no proof of voter fraud because there was no voter fraud.
The courts threw trump lawyers out .
Our Supreme Court with Trump biased judges wouldnt even take the cases.

Because TRUMP LOST fair and square .
Just as Al Gore
Just as Hillary Clinton
Trump lost

[bobj]

There are now more political posts than V20 posts here. This was once a friendly, fun place to find and share v20 information and fellowship. You do a disservice to MJ.
I'm out.

[bgreene]

There are now more political posts than V20 posts here. This was once a friendly, fun place to find and share v20 information and fellowship. You do a disservice to MJ.
I'm out.

Its the political forum - you dont have to read it .
One political forum and several V boat related forums to use.
Plenty for you to choose from. You know if you dont like the heat get out of the kitchen - plenty of other rooms IE other forums on this site.

[Destroyer]

Its the political forum - you dont have to read it .
One political forum and several V boat related forums to use.
Plenty for you to choose from. You know if you dont like the heat get out of the kitchen - plenty of other rooms IE other forums on this site.


BOBJ, I'm sorry you feel that way. May I remind you that at the beginning of the thread there is a warning stating that it is a political arena and that you enter at your own risk. I might also state that I believe it was MJ that actually started this thread. In all cases you are under no requirement to read or comment on any content found here, and while it saddens me to read your post about you being "out", you cannot say you were not warned. If you should decide to return you will of course be warmly welcomed as usual.


Regrettably, in this case I have to 100% agree with Bgreene. There are several other threads available for your reading enjoyment or information.




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[bgreene]

Regrettably destroyer says — as in too bad bgreene’s correct.

Well it’s not too bad because I post facts and the truth.

[Destroyer]

Regrettably destroyer says — as in too bad bgreene’s correct.

Well it’s not too bad because I post facts and the truth.

You should know me by now. When I'm wrong or when someone else is correct I always admit it. (Which is why I said you were 100% correct about the political forum, nothing else.) Your idea of truth and "facts" are a far far reach from actual truth and facts, but you were correct this one time.

[bgreene]

Far far away from truth or facts says Destroyer - you base your beliefs on empty conspiracy theories .

Georgia REPUBLICAN telling Trump on recorded line that was played for all sir we dont have the votes. As real as it gets but you carry on with the big lie .

We all know Donald Trump is a traitor to our nation due in large part to his very deep character flaws.
Self promoter very good, and as a real estate guy doing somewhat shady deals ok but absolutely UNFIT for the Presidency of our great country.

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2021/01/09/donald-trump-is-a-traitor/

[bgreene]

Trumps latest lies

Trump's comments underscore the vast GOP effort to downplay the Capitol riot.

In the months since January 6, the former President and Republican lawmakers in both chambers have offered false accounts of the attack that conflict with reams of video evidence, criminal charges filed against participants and law enforcement officials' testimony.

Certain Republicans are desperate to put this horrible historical event behind them

[bgreene]

Every President takes the oath to uphold our constitution and protect and defend our nation against all enemies foreign AND domestic.

Trumps a TRAITOR in this regard too because he :
1. Tried to coerce officials to lie about the election results- hes on tape.
2. Encouraged attack on our Capitol so as to disrupt the voting result confirmation.
3. Referred to the Insurrectionists as special wonderful people.

Imagine a President of our United States doing these things.
Well we need not IMAGINE because thats what Trump did as President and he therefore belongs in our maximum security prison with a life sentence for crimes against our nation.

[Destroyer]

Every President takes the oath to uphold our constitution and protect and defend our nation against all enemies foreign AND domestic.

Trumps a TRAITOR in this regard too because he :
1. Tried to coerce officials to lie about the election results- hes on tape.
2. Encouraged attack on our Capitol so as to disrupt the voting result confirmation.
3. Referred to the Insurrectionists as special wonderful people.

Imagine a President of our United States doing these things.
Well we need not IMAGINE because thats what Trump did as President and he therefore belongs in our maximum security prison with a life sentence for crimes against our nation.


1. Really? I must have missed that tape. Exactly which one did he tell officials to lie? Proof please.

2. He did not encourage an attack on the Capital. He encouraged a demonstration of and by the people (all 20,000+ of them) for a redress of their grievances.

3. Exactly what is wrong with someone, anyone, saying that they thing some people are wonderful people? Are you telling me that if I refer to you as a wonderful person I'm somehow committing a crime? Whatever happened to that thing called free speech?




.

[bgreene]

Destoyer you might try job as a DJ because you spin a lot of music I mean nonsense

[Destroyer]

Destoyer you might try job as a DJ because you spin a lot of music I mean nonsense


Another personal attack instead of addressing the subject matter. :you:

[bgreene]

Personal attack cries destroyer — the guy who slings the most .
Whah whah now youre shifting to a poor me victim routine.

Whats next ? Tantrum ? Oh wait you already did that routine .

[Destroyer]

Personal attack cries destroyer ***8212; the guy who slings the most .
Whah whah now youre shifting to a poor me victim routine.

Whats next ? Tantrum ? Oh wait you already did that routine .




:you:


Just pointing out facts Greenie, Just pointing out facts.


You (almost) never address the actual subject. Instead you latch onto what you "think" might be a salient point and repeat it over and over. Like the tantrum comment, or the Gentleman Jim comment, or pretty much anything you think will win you points like the lying Cheating traitor trump comment. You just repeat the same garbage over and over. You're record is clear on that fact.

[bgreene]

I dont write garbage as you say destroyer .

I write the truth and facts .
And I mostly avoid personal insults because its not needed with the truth.
In FACT the most vulgar posters on this site write without facts.

You write mostly conspiracy theories without evidence or proof.
But clearly thats fine for you.
Not for me

HUNDREDS of trumps violent mob broke into our Capitol not a few bad eggs as you spin it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ7uThFJ4vY

[Destroyer]

I dont write garbage as you say destroyer .

I write the truth and facts .
And I mostly avoid personal insults because its not needed with the truth.
In FACT the most vulgar posters on this site write without facts.

You write mostly conspiracy theories without evidence or proof.
But clearly thats fine for you.
Not for me

HUNDREDS of trumps violent mob broke into our Capitol not a few bad eggs as you spin it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ7uThFJ4vY

I have said, several times in several posts, that the number of people that got out of hand was just over 500. In fact in one post I even said lets round it up to 600. Compared to the over 20,000 that attended the demonstration 500 is just a few. What part of that don't you understand?

As to facts, in the beginning I posted links to everything I said, but you just ignored them and kept posting garbage, so eventually I stopped posting the links. But everything I post is easily researched to prove it's validity. Try it sometime.

[bgreene]

Good so stop posting

[Destroyer]

Good so stop posting


May I remind you that YOU were the one that started this round of posts? You went all the way back to 2016 posts just to spread your vitriol and hate for President Trump. I will not just stand by while you post your version of the "truth" and "facts" as you so blithely call them. You live in a fantasy world, brought on by the almost constant barrage of 5 years of the left wing controlled media's relentless lies and spin about President Trump. In short, you've been brainwashed.

[bgreene]

When hell is full the ignorant will walk the earth except you’re not ignorant you know trumps a lying cheating traitor and you still support him.

[Destroyer]

When hell is full the ignorant will walk the earth except you’re not ignorant you know trumps a lying cheating traitor and you still support him.


I don't recall that sentence about Hell. Is that something from the Bible or did you just make it up? Do you have some kind of direct contact with God? Did he speak to you and tell you that?


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[Pipe_Dream]

I don't recall that sentence about Hell. Is that something from the Bible or did you just make it up? Do you have some kind of direct contact with God? Did he speak to you and tell you that?


.

I did a search for that phrase. I think it means that he's a Dawn Of The Dead fan.

[Pipe_Dream]

Oh no . . .

The FBI is harshing bgreene's narrative

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2021-08-20/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources

[bgreene]

Pipe - I have not written that the seige on our Capitol was by a specific pre organized group.
Doesnt surprise that youre trying to SPIN THE TRUTH.

The violent mob was made of of both individuals and groups .

This is accurate, and part of the link you posted

……”Trump made an incendiary speech at a nearby rally shortly before the riot, repeating false claims that the 2020 election was stolen and urging supporters to march on the Capitol to pressure lawmakers to reject Biden's victory”

[Pipe_Dream]

Yes, he urged them to march.

If you were to be honest you'd want to quote things in their entirety

"But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he (Trump) or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials."

[Pipe_Dream]

I'm so old that I remember when you said this

This is about the Trump led violent attack on our Capitol
Yes the attack with goal to hang our Vice President and other members of our top government gets more attention than inner city violence.

[bgreene]

Gee wizz not directly involved in “organizing the violence “
Wow what a cop out .

No trump said “ fight like hell” while his lawyer said “ trial by combat”

Several of those arrested for VIOLENCE at our Capitol said “ trump told us to do it”


Keep spinning your BS .

[Pipe_Dream]

Tell it to the FBI.

[bgreene]

Typical worthless reply from you Pipe Dream thats what those arrested did tell the FBI
Your ID name suits you.

You post things in accordance with the saying you throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks

Well BS, lies, and warping of the truth sticks with the ignorant but not with me, or most voting Americans.

Thats why we voted the lying, cheating, con man traitor trump out .

[Pipe_Dream]

Sure greenie, and why you voted in the lying cheating fraud traitor mentally incapacitated con man Biden.

[Crusty]

I thought this was a Wellcraft site. Looks more like a political forum.

[Pipe_Dream]

I thought this was a Wellcraft site. Looks more like a political forum.

Yeah, the majority of posts on the forum have gone over to politics in the last year. Sign of the times? Or of one guy s obsession?

[bgreene]

Yes pipe and a fairly large percentage of posts on this form come from you too.

So go explain that away with excuses .

[steplift20]

bgreene what ever you say, and pipe ,if I was you I would not fall into this conversation with bgreene, you can't win with him he is deranged. Just look at what is happening and he still defends Biden, your right bgreene what ever you say.

[bgreene]

Little men with need to feel secure by throwing insults …..

I’m not deranged - if Biden winds up a failure as President that’s what it would be.
His Admin needs to get their act together.

I don’t “ side regardless of outcome”

The lying, cheating con, traitor trump was all that in the end, breaking his promise to America.
That’s fact too and so it is.

[Pipe_Dream]

Yes pipe and a fairly large percentage of posts on this form come from you too.

So go explain that away with excuses .

No excuses. Your nonsensical posts beg for a response.

Look at the number of threads that you started, many of them on the same subject. 14 out of the 20 most recent threads were started by you, and the majority of them are about Donald Trump. The guy is living rent free in your head.

News flash: Trump is no longer the president. Your selection, Joe Biden, is president, and his stock is dropping daily because of the horrible job he is doing. Even the liberal news outlets can’t ignore it. So go on ranting about Trump and Trump voters. Start some more threads about how terrible he and they are. If that’s all you have, go with it.

[bgreene]

Not “ even the liberal news “ Pipe - these are the SAME news sources that reported the TRUTH on the election results and other truths.

If BIDEN F’s up his Presidency and Trump returns…….guess what comes next:
1. Environmental roll backs that actually damage our American ecosystems
2. More tax breaks for the super rich and big corporations
3. More money spent on old dirty fuels while the rest of the world leaves us behind.
4. Trump escalated lies and devisive rhetoric that pushed weak Americans against each other

[Destroyer]

Whatever you say......

[bgreene]

Exactly destroyer - but only when I’m correct, which is mostly always because I don’t trust in lies.

[Destroyer]

Whatever you say......

[bgreene]

Whatever you say......

You write just to have the last word - youre a control freak.

[Pipe_Dream]

Whatever you say......

:clap:

[Pipe_Dream]

Not “ even the liberal news “ Pipe - these are the SAME news sources that reported the TRUTH on the election results and other truths.

If BIDEN F’s up his Presidency and Trump returns…….guess what comes next:
1. Environmental roll backs that actually damage our American ecosystems
2. More tax breaks for the super rich and big corporations
3. More money spent on old dirty fuels while the rest of the world leaves us behind.
4. Trump escalated lies and devisive rhetoric that pushed weak Americans against each other

Yeah, you really should start a new thread about that.

[bgreene]

Yeah, you really should start a new thread about that.


Will wait and see if trump goes to jail before 2024

[Pipe_Dream]

Will wait and see if trump goes to jail before 2024

Are you taking bets on that?

[bgreene]

Are you taking bets on that?

No - I dont underestimate the buying power of that lying, cheating, traitor trump.

[Pipe_Dream]

No

I thought as much.

[bgreene]

I thought as much.

Well yeh because I’m smart — credit due where applicable.
Trumps been able to stay out of jail despite his lying and cheating .
But so have many other criminals .

He BELONGS in prison that’s for sure

[Pipe_Dream]

Well yeh because I’m smart — credit due where applicable.
Trumps isn't going to jail because he's done nothing wrong.

FIFY

So, want to bet on whether Biden serves his whole term?

[bgreene]

FIFY

So, want to bet on whether Biden serves his whole term?

Pipe - I would have taken your bet that Biden remains President for his term EXCEPT that you EDITED MY OWN POST - you changed what I wrote and re posted it …….so that reveals that you’re a sneak, and a cheater who can’t be trusted . Just like Trump - no wonder you love him.

[Pipe_Dream]

Pipe - I would have taken your bet that Biden remains President for his term EXCEPT that you EDITED MY OWN POST - you changed what I wrote and re posted it …….so that reveals that you’re a sneak, and a cheater who can’t be trusted . Just like Trump - no wonder you love him.

:you:
So you don't believe he'll complete his term, either? Otherwise, you're just making excuses for not taking the bet.

(Also, I don't "love" Trump.)

[bgreene]

:you:
So you don't believe he'll complete his term, either? Otherwise, you're just making excuses for not taking the bet.

(Also, I don't "love" Trump.)

NO PIPE ……you’ve proven yourself a sneak by changing what I wrote in a post.
So I wouldn’t take a bet with you — because your character strongly suggests you wouldn't pay up .

[Destroyer]

NO PIPE ……you’ve proven yourself a sneak by changing what I wrote in a post.
So I wouldn’t take a bet with you — because your character strongly suggests you wouldn't pay up .

Whatever you say.....

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[bgreene]

Whatever you say.....

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Thanks ZOMBIE - stay on those meds that are keeping you passive

[bgreene]

Its not being swept under the rug

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/26/us/politics/capitol-police-jan-6-riot-lawsuit-trump.html

[Destroyer]

Its not being swept under the rug

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/26/us/politics/capitol-police-jan-6-riot-lawsuit-trump.html


Whatever you say....

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[bgreene]

Fortunately, very few showed up for the planned 2nd Capitol demonstration - this time under Biden, massive security was on hand. With so many arrested and charged with violence related crimes previously, it seems people with bad intentions decided not to .

[THEFERMANATOR]

Fortunately, very few showed up for the planned 2nd Capitol demonstration - this time under Biden, massive security was on hand. With so many arrested and charged with violence related crimes previously, it seems people with bad intentions decided not to .

Yeah, Trump told people not to go and that it was a set-up. And I believe the only person detained at this rally was an undercover cop.

[bgreene]

What movie were you watching ?
They’ve been rounded up and charged

[Destroyer]

What movie were you watching ?
They’ve been rounded up and charged

HUH? It was a non-event. There were more TV and news people there than demonstrators. One person, an undercover cop was arrested from what I've heard. So who was rounded up and charged? And what were they charged with?

[bgreene]

[QUOTE=Destroyer it was a non-event. There were more TV and news people there than demonstrators. One person, an undercover cop was arrested from what I've heard. So who was rounded up and charged? And what were they charged with?[/QUOTE]

JAN 6 a NON EVENT SAYS DESTROYER about the siege on our Capitol mob that fought and hurt the police, smashed into our Capitol, yelling hang the Vice President of our United States while Pence and his family ran for safety .
Now youre a lying traitor just like trump.

FACT DESTROYER as you refer to the trumpers attack on our Capitol a non event:
Federal prosecutors have charged more than 600 people in more than 40 states with participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, and arrests continue almost daily.

[bgreene]

Destroyer says this was a non event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE-sNyF55Vw


destroyer says this historic attack on our Capitol was a non event
Attack on our Vice President, his family with the mob beating past police shouting hang mike pence destroyer calls a non event .
You should be deported destroyer - go live in North Korea .

https://time.com/5953486/january-capitol-attack-investigation/

[oteps]

What ferm was talking about was a non event. Read it before you get mad and blame trump.

[bgreene]

Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor to our country .

Over 600 arrested from the Capitol Insurrection attack - and they all deserve it .

[bgreene]

What ferm was talking about was a non event. Read it before you get mad and blame trump.

Feds have arrested over 600 people now from the attack on our Capitol
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-capitol-riot-arrests-latest/

[bgreene]

“ More than 570 defendants have been arrested and more than 30 have pleaded guilty

Of the more than 570 defendants arrested, more than 200 defendants were also indicted by grand juries.

So far, at least 36 defendants have pleaded guilty. At least 28 have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors only, while eight have pleaded guilty to felonies.”

Throw them all in Prison for Crimes against our United States of America - and trump with them all

[Destroyer]

“ More than 570 defendants have been arrested and more than 30 have pleaded guilty

Of the more than 570 defendants arrested, more than 200 defendants were also indicted by grand juries.

So far, at least 36 defendants have pleaded guilty. At least 28 have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors only, while eight have pleaded guilty to felonies.”

Throw them all in Prison for Crimes against our United States of America - and trump with them all

Hmmm.... Let's do the math, shall we? So you're saying that of the 570 arrested only 200 were indicted. (Just about 1/3 of all those arrested).

So roughly 370 were released or their cases were remanded to a lower court. Of those 570 at most so far only 36 of all those arrested have pled guilty. 36/570= 6.315789473684% to be exact.

Of those 36 people only 8 pled guilty to an actual felony while the rest have just pled guilty to a misdemeanor (Criminal trespass) So 8/570 = 1.4% of those 570 arrested.

If we look at it further, and we accept the LOW number of those that were actually there demonstrating that day (over 20,000+) then we see that out of 20,000 people only 8 out of 20000 or 0.04% (Less than 1/2 of 1 %) actually engaged in any kind of felony illegal activity.

Kinda blows the whole "insurrection" narrative to shreds.

Makes you wonder if we really needed 26,000 National Guard troops to guard the capital from 8 people.

Hmmm.... Let's try this on for size.... Maybe they were put there to dramatize the event, even though they were not needed?

OR

Maybe they were put there to make the brainwashed, indoctrinated, demented, democrat stooges think that there was an "insurrection', when in FACT what there really was, was a mostly peaceful demonstration by 20,000+ people exercising their Constitutional RIGHT to assemble and protest for a redress of their grievances?

Ya, that sounds about right.

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[bgreene]

Try as you do to cover for the lying cheating con man traitor trump destroyer - you fail.

You fail because the TRUTH is pure, it simply is what happened - a historical insurrection
stirred by trump and his slippery lawyer Rudy to try and stop the due process of confirming Biden as the next President of our United States.

Violent law breaking people continuing to be rounded up and charged .
Several of them pleading trump told us to do it as their excuse .


Our FBI is rounding up these violent law breakers
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/washingtondc/news/press-releases/fbi-washington-field-office-releases-new-videos-of-suspects-in-violent-assaults-on-federal-officers-at-us-capitol-seeks-publics-help-in-identifying-them-070621

[bgreene]

STATEMENT FROM OUR FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS

“ Investigating the violent assaults on law enforcement officers committed during the January 6 attack on the Capitol has been a priority for the FBI.

With the assistance of hundreds of thousands of tips from the American people, the FBI has arrested more than 500 individuals who took part in the Capitol riots. Of those, more than 100 were arrested for assaulting law enforcement officers.

However, some of the most violent offenders have yet to be identified, including the 11 individuals seen assaulting officers in the video footage we are releasing today.”

[oteps]

this is the same fbi that says soccer moms at school board meetings are terrorists?

[Destroyer]

STATEMENT FROM OUR FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS

“ Investigating the violent assaults on law enforcement officers committed during the January 6 attack on the Capitol has been a priority for the FBI.

With the assistance of hundreds of thousands of tips from the American people, the FBI has arrested more than 500 individuals who took part in the Capitol riots. Of those, more than 100 were arrested for assaulting law enforcement officers.

However, some of the most violent offenders have yet to be identified, including the 11 individuals seen assaulting officers in the video footage we are releasing today.”

This is the same FBI that was weaponized to dig up dirt on Candidate Trump by President Obama before Trump was elected President? Ya, they can be trusted... what could go wrong?

[bgreene]

Destroyer - so now you pretend our FBI is against trump too hu .

We’ll add that to your list of conspiracies you value over our democracy.

You really are much like the lying cheating con man traitor trump in this regard

[Destroyer]

Destroyer - so now you pretend our FBI is against trump too hu .

We’ll add that to your list of conspiracies you value over our democracy.

You really are much like the lying cheating con man traitor trump in this regard

Wow, saying I'm like President trump... one of the BEST presidents we've ever had, is a compliment. thank you Greenie.

I wish I could say something nice about you and the imposter-in-chief Biden, but any comparison to Biden would probably be viewed as an insult by most sane people.

[bgreene]

Trumps actually the worst President weve ever had because he tried to stop the peaceful transfer of Presidential powers after election .

Trumps fighting to have documents associated with the Insurrection withheld .
Of course he is because hes a lying, cheating traitor to America.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/white-house-blocks-donald-trump-from-withholding-documents-on-jan-6-attack

[bgreene]

Trumps a lying, cheating, con man traitor to America .
We know that’s true.

Trumps for trump first, America second.
We know that’s true .

Trumps got malignant narcissistic personality disorder.
Absolute text book example for sure.

And trumps now lying about the events of Jan 6 2021.
Of course he wants it to be white washed away just like destroyer

https://newrepublic.com/article/163115/donald-trump-plot-against-america

[Destroyer]

Trumps a lying, cheating, con man traitor to America .
We know that’s true.

Trumps for trump first, America second.
We know that’s true .

Trumps got malignant narcissistic personality disorder.
Absolute text book example for sure.

And trumps now lying about the events of Jan 6 2021.
Of course he wants it to be white washed away just like destroyer

https://newrepublic.com/article/163115/donald-trump-plot-against-america


:haha: Whatever you say :you:

[bgreene]

:haha: Whatever you say :you:

There you go destroyer - posting just to post.
Worthless .

January 6, 2021 a violent insurrection attempt to stop the Presidential transfer of power encouraged by Donald trump , that put our most loyal Vice President Pence, his family and others at grave risk.

This IS what happened .

[Destroyer]

There you go destroyer - posting just to post.
Worthless .

January 6, 2021 a violent insurrection attempt to stop the Presidential transfer of power encouraged by Donald trump , that put our most loyal Vice President Pence, his family and others at grave risk.

This IS what happened .

:haha: YOU :you:

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[bgreene]

:haha: YOU :you:

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You post just to see your name mr boring .

[Destroyer]

You post just to see your name mr boring .

No, I post like that to let you know that I'm laughing at your stupidity. Obviously you're too stupid to understand that.

:haha: YOU :you:
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[bgreene]

No, I post like that to let you know that I'm laughing at your stupidity. Obviously you're too stupid to understand that.

:haha: YOU :you:
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Destroyers back to his little boy insults …and goofy cartoons.
Now stamp your feet and have another one of your tantrums

[Destroyer]

Destroyers back to his little boy insults …and goofy cartoons.
Now stamp your feet and have another one of your tantrums

:haha: YOU :you:

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[bgreene]

[QUOTE=Destroyer;244340]:haha: [B]YOU[/B


This is the truth to what happened in our country on Jan 6 2021

A mob of Trump supporters, emboldened by baseless allegations of a stolen election, stormed the House and Senate chambers on January 6 to prevent Congress from certifying Biden's election win.

Trump told his followers to fight like hell they did and over 600 of them have now been arrested .
Wheres trump to bail them out ?
He doesnt care he uses everyone for his own gains always has

[Destroyer]

[QUOTE=Destroyer;244340]:haha: [B]YOU[/B


This is the truth to what happened in our country on Jan 6 2021

A mob of Trump supporters, emboldened by baseless allegations of a stolen election, stormed the House and Senate chambers on January 6 to prevent Congress from certifying Biden's election win.

Trump told his followers to fight like hell they did and over 600 of them have now been arrested .
Wheres trump to bail them out ?
He doesnt care he uses everyone for his own gains always has

Funny how you keep omitting the fact that over 20,000 people were there peacefully that day and less than 600 were arrested. So that's what? 97% peaceful and 3% rowdy? Seems to me you should concentrate on the 07% and applaud them for their civic mindedness.

[bgreene]

Nothing funny about the violent attack on our Capitol , threats made to hang our Vice President , and insurrection attempt.

Nothing funny at all destroyer .

You and your percentage games are a disgrace to our country.

Doesn’t matter how many tours you did in the Nam or otherwise
A traitor is a traitor

[bgreene]

It sure seems like the majority of left-liberals would say they regard the shooting of Ashli Babbitt by the police as completely justified despite the fact that she was unarmed and not engaged in violence.


I wonder, do they feel the Capitol Police should have gunned down all the people who entered the Capitol that day, or just her?

You try to focus attention AWAY from the attempted insurrection to stop the transfer of Presidential power after the fair and accurate election. A historic and violent attempt supported by trump

That woman was part of the mob - she was on the front line - she put herself in great danger.
Unfortunately she was shot and killed.

[Destroyer]

Nothing funny about the violent attack on our Capitol , threats made to hang our Vice President , and insurrection attempt.

Nothing funny at all destroyer .

You and your percentage games are a disgrace to our country.

Doesn’t matter how many tours you did in the Nam or otherwise
A traitor is a traitor

Percentage games? ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING???? There is nothing funny when national news media deliberately tries to shape public opinion by lying to the Country, calling a mostly peaceful demonstration an insurrection, trying to get people to ignore the fact of what really happened by just concentrating on what a very small (3%) of the demonstrators engaged in. (Mostly criminal trespass).

And exactly what the heck does my military service have anything to do with this thread? I swear Greenie, your comments are getting as disjointed as that senile old fool that's sitting in the WH. They're completely lacking in a coherent sequence or connection to what's actually being said. You just seem to spout anything that you think will help, even thought they have no relevance to the subject.

[bgreene]

Percentage games? ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING???? There is nothing funny when national news media deliberately tries to shape public opinion by lying to the Country, calling a mostly peaceful demonstration an insurrection, trying to get people to ignore the fact of what really happened by just concentrating on what a very small (3%) of the demonstrators engaged in. (Mostly criminal trespass).

And exactly what the heck does my military service have anything to do with this thread? I swear Greenie, your comments are getting as disjointed as that senile old fool that's sitting in the WH. They're completely lacking in a coherent sequence or connection to what's actually being said. You just seem to spout anything that you think will help, even thought they have no relevance to the subject.

Capitol Insurrection attempt by violent mob following trumps encouragement to try and stop the peaceful transfer of Presidential power in America .
That’s what happened and none of your “ math “ will change that fact.

Our top Military General was so concerned that he publicly reported his plan to ignore any orders from trump to stop our process.

The lying cheating con man traitor trump and you his faithful follower that he’d step on without a second thought. You’re just poor white trash to trump that he needs as a pawn in his game

[bgreene]

Trump and his lawyers now fighting to try and keep White House correspondences just before Jan 6 attacks from being released.

They must have something to hide…….a LOT to hide

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/26/politics/trump-white-house-january-6/index.html

[Destroyer]

Trump and his lawyers now fighting to try and keep White House correspondences just before Jan 6 attacks from being released.

They must have something to hide***8230;***8230;.a LOT to hide

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/26/politics/trump-white-house-january-6/index.html


Once again you have provided something from CNN as though it was groundbreaking news, when in fact a lot of it was an article stating that the committee that is investigating the Jan 6 peaceful demonstration is asking people to tell what they may or may not know. There's nothing new there, they have been doing that from the beginning. As for the release of documents, I'm not a mind reader and as far as I know neither are you, so who knows, what, if anything is in them and why President Trump doesn't want them released. (And you'll note that the imposter in chief Brandon is declining to exert executive privilege for their release. Must be that he already knows there's nothing there).

Lets go Brandon

[bgreene]

Once again you have provided something from CNN as though it was groundbreaking news, when in fact a lol it was an article stating that the committee that is investigating the Jan 6 peaceful demonstration is asking people to tell what they may or may not know. There's nothing new there, they have been doing that from the beginning. As for the release of documents, I'm not a mind reader and as far as I know neither are you, so who knows, what, if anything is in them and why President Trump doesn't want them released. (And you'll note that the imposter in chief Brandon is declining to exert executive privilege for their release. Must be that he already knows there's nothing there).

Lets go Brandon

Trump promised to release his tax return — never did .
Trump promised a better health care plan on day one — never did
Trump promised he’d eliminate debt — hah debt exploded .

Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor — well that much is true

[Destroyer]

Trump promised to release his tax return — never did .
Trump promised a better health care plan on day one — never did
Trump promised he’d eliminate debt — hah debt exploded .

Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor — well that much is true

1) He said he would release it after the audits by the IRS are done. They are still ongoing.
2) Congress, not the President, writes the laws. Unfortunately, there were not enough votes in the Congress to pass a health care bill that would have landed on President Trumps desk for him to sign. Why don't you ask Mrs. Pelosi about that?
3) Again, Congress writes the federal budget. President Trump thought it was more important to get the $800 Billion for the Military than worry about a protracted fight with the Democrats about the money for the wall, etc. Yes, I agree that we spent a lot on frivolous projects, but all in all I think that most of the money spent went to good caused. there will always be "pork" in federal budgets. Just look at the $6 Trillion one that the Democrats were trying to get passed earlier this year.

YOU are a lying cheating con man traitor for spreading all the lies that you do.

[bgreene]

Trump lost and he’s a liar

[Destroyer]

Trump lost and he’s a liar

And yet another post where all you can do is repeat your same hackneyed post over and over.

More scrambled thinking from :haha: YOU :you:

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[bgreene]

And yet another post where all you can do is repeat your same hackneyed post over and over.

More scrambled thinking from :haha: YOU :you:

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The TRUTH must be repeated for those who care

[Destroyer]

The TRUTH must be repeated for those who care

You still don't get it?
More scrambled thinking from :haha: YOU :you:

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[bgreene]

You still don't get it?
More scrambled thinking from :haha: YOU :you:

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The TRUTH must always be repeated over the lies of the con man traitor trump

[bgreene]

40 MONTHS IN PRISON for CAPTOL RIOTER WHO PUNCHED POLICE IN FACE

More sentences expected: Courts uphold rule of LAW

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/10/politics/fairlamb-sentence-capitol-riot/index.html

[scook]

A couple of observations:
He said he had only himself to blame - he didn’t say Trump told, or encouraged him, to do it.
It’s very disappointing that the domestic terrorists who attacked police, local, state and federal law enforcement and court facilities, destroyed businesses, caused injuries and deaths are, for the most part, not facing justice. It’s a giant double standard.

[oteps]

A couple of observations:
He said he had only himself to blame - he didn’t say Trump told, or encouraged him, to do it.
It’s very disappointing that the domestic terrorists who attacked police, local, state and federal law enforcement and court facilities, destroyed businesses, caused injuries and deaths are, for the most part, not facing justice. It’s a giant double standard.

And kamala helped bail them out and not a word about that? She must be a wonderful person.

[bgreene]

A couple of observations:
He said he had only himself to blame - he didn’t say Trump told, or encouraged him, to do it.
It’s very disappointing that the domestic terrorists who attacked police, local, state and federal law enforcement and court facilities, destroyed businesses, caused injuries and deaths are, for the most part, not facing justice. It’s a giant double standard.

So this guy didn’t say “trump made me do it “ as some of the others have- so what ?
Excuses for everything.

This was an orchestrated attempt to stop the transfer of power to the rightfully elected next President. A violent mob attacking police and breaking into our Capitol to stop our democratic process from a so called law and order X President trump who said these were very special people that he loved. Sick self serving lying hypocritical conman traitor that trump is .

[Destroyer]

So this guy didn’t say “trump made me do it “ as some of the others have- so what ?
Excuses for everything.

This was an orchestrated attempt to stop the transfer of power to the rightfully elected next President. A violent mob attacking police and breaking into our Capitol to stop our democratic process from a so called law and order X President trump who said these were very special people that he loved. Sick self serving lying hypocritical conman traitor that trump is .

So, according to some peoples logic, it seems that if you say "Trump made me do it", it's an excuse. But if you don't say "Trump made me do it" it's also an excuse.
If you burn, loot, destroy, KILL cops and cause over a Billion dollars worth of damage during an entire summer of riots, but do it in the name of avenging racism, and you are a democrat, it's ok and you just get a slap on the wrist, BUT if you take part in a mostly peaceful demonstration and you punch a cop in the face you get 3 and a half YEARS of your life taken from you because your were a Republican on the wrong side of the political spectrum and, as we all know, you have to be made an example of in the name of "Democracy" by a Democrat appointed Judge.

Anyone that supports that sort "justice" is lower than whale turd.

Disgusting!!!!

[bgreene]

So, according to some peoples logic, it seems that if you say "Trump made me do it", it's an excuse. But if you don't say "Trump made me do it" it's also an excuse.
If you burn, loot, destroy, KILL cops and cause over a Billion dollars worth of damage during an entire summer of riots, but do it in the name of avenging racism, and you are a democrat, it's ok and you just get a slap on the wrist, BUT if you take part in a mostly peaceful demonstration and you punch a cop in the face you get 3 and a half YEARS of your life taken from you because your were a Republican on the wrong side of the political spectrum and, as we all know, you have to be made an example of in the name of "Democracy" by a Democrat appointed Judge.

Anyone that supports that sort "justice" is lower than whale turd.

Disgusting!!!!


Spin and deflect as usual destroyer - this post is about the historic violent Insurrection attempt at our Capitol led by trump supporters following Trumps big election fraud lie .
Some of those violent criminals said trump told me to do it, some didn’t .

Trumps trying to bring down our democracy because he’s a self serving dictator wanna be lying cheating con man traitor who mixes truths and lies nearly every time he speaks .
Trump called himself for “ law and order” but he called these people special that he loved.
Dictator wanna be .

[Destroyer]

Spin and deflect as usual destroyer - this post is about the historic violent Insurrection attempt at our Capitol led by trump supporters following Trumps big election fraud lie .
Some of those violent criminals said trump told me to do it, some didn’t .

Trumps trying to bring down our democracy because he’s a self serving dictator wanna be lying cheating con man traitor who mixes truths and lies nearly every time he speaks .
Trump called himself for “ law and order” but he called these people special that he loved.
Dictator wanna be .

I'm sorry? I think you must be mistaken. There was no spin or deflect in my post. It's 100% true with hundreds of newscasts from all media sources to back it up. The summer rioters burned, looted, stoned police, killed a few of them, and were set free. Heck, even Kamala Harris contributed to a fund to bail them out. Compare that to the people that took part in the Jan 6 demonstration. They were hunted down by the FBI, thrown in jail, denied bail, some were tortured, kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours of each day for 4 months, fed bad food, denied religious participation, denied conversations with their lawyers, etc. In short they were treated horribly.

Do you actually condone that? What if that was you, or a member of your family? I'm not saying anything about their guilt or innocence, I'm simply talking about how they have been and are being treated.

[bgreene]

I'm sorry? I think you must be mistaken. There was no spin or deflect in my post. It's 100% true with hundreds of newscasts from all media sources to back it up. The summer rioters burned, looted, stoned police, killed a few of them, and were set free. Heck, even Kamala Harris contributed to a fund to bail them out. Compare that to the people that took part in the Jan 6 demonstration. They were hunted down by the FBI, thrown in jail, denied bail, some were tortured, kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours of each day for 4 months, fed bad food, denied religious participation, denied conversations with their lawyers, etc. In short they were treated horribly.

Do you actually condone that? What if that was you, or a member of your family? I'm not saying anything about their guilt or innocence, I'm simply talking about how they have been and are being treated.

The topic of this thread is the HISTORIC INSURRECTION ATTEMPT from trump followers.
Your spin nonsense trying to avoid this FACT by saying “ oh yeh what about urban violence “
is another one of your sneaky attempts at deflection.

Trump the self proclaimed “law and order “ man who said he’d send in military to quell violence said he loved the people who tried to stop our peaceful transposition of power .
He’s trying hard to keep his documents associated with that attempt out of the public domain.
Lying cheating con man traitor trump

[Destroyer]

The topic of this thread is the HISTORIC INSURRECTION ATTEMPT from trump followers.
Your spin nonsense trying to avoid this FACT by saying “ oh yeh what about urban violence “
is another one of your sneaky attempts at deflection.

Trump the self proclaimed “law and order “ man who said he’d send in military to quell violence said he loved the people who tried to stop our peaceful transposition of power .
He’s trying hard to keep his documents associated with that attempt out of the public domain.
Lying cheating con man traitor trump

There was no insurrection attempt. There was a mostly peaceful demonstration where less than 600 of the 20,000 people attending that day got out of hand. You have zero proof of your claims of insurrection. You only have your opinion. You have not presented any facts, and, in fact, when the Democrats tried to impeach President Trump for the very things you claim he was found to be innocent.

I do not spin anything. I simply present the facts as they are. You should appreciate that since you are the one that always proports to claim to be the person interested in facts and truth.

[bgreene]

There was no insurrection attempt. There was a mostly peaceful demonstration where less than 600 of the 20,000 people attending that day got out of hand. You have zero proof of your claims of insurrection. You only have your opinion. You have not presented any facts, and, in fact, when the Democrats tried to impeach President Trump for the very things you claim he was found to be innocent.

I do not spin anything. I simply present the facts as they are. You should appreciate that since you are the one that always proports to claim to be the person interested in facts and truth.

Bold faced liar just like trump- was a VIOLENT ATTACK BREAK INTO OUR CAPITOL by mob seeking to stop transfer of power from trump and WANTED TO HANG OUR VICE PRESIDENT.

And those criminals are now getting jail sentences of years in prison - as they deserve .

[Destroyer]

Bold faced liar just like trump- was a VIOLENT ATTACK BREAK INTO OUR CAPITOL by mob seeking to stop transfer of power from trump and WANTED TO HANG OUR VICE PRESIDENT.

And those criminals are now getting jail sentences of years in prison - as they deserve .

Yet the people that took part in the riots all during the summer, that caused over a billion dollars in damage, that looted, set fires, beat and actually killed people including cops, should go scot free according to your logic? 3 years for punching a cop in the face? Shot dead for peering thru a broken window? Ya, there's some Democrat style "justice" for all to see.

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[bgreene]

Yet the people that took part in the riots all during the summer, that caused over a billion dollars in damage, that looted, set fires, beat and actually killed people including cops, should go scot free according to your logic? 3 years for punching a cop in the face? Shot dead for peering thru a broken window? Ya, there's some Democrat style "justice" for all to see.

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Watch the tape liar - woman shot at Insurrection attempt at our Capitol was on the very front edge of the violent attackers trying to get inside the building.

Violence in our cities is another matter - a bad thing. This is about the insurrection attempt to stop our peaceful transfer of power by the lying cheating con man traitor trump

[Destroyer]

Watch the tape liar - woman shot at Insurrection attempt at our Capitol was on the very front edge of the violent attackers trying to get inside the building.

Violence in our cities is another matter - a bad thing. This is about the insurrection attempt to stop our peaceful transfer of power by the lying cheating con man traitor trump

So you're saying that a persons place in a group is what determines whether or not it's ok to murder them? How exactly does that work?

This is NOT about an insurrection or sedition attempt. This is about one political party being able to break the law at will, while the other political party gets murdered or unjustly sentenced for doing the exact same thing.

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[bgreene]

So you're saying that a persons place in a group is what determines whether or not it's ok to murder them? How exactly does that work?

This is NOT about an insurrection or sedition attempt. This is about one political party being able to break the law at will, while the other political party gets murdered or unjustly sentenced for doing the exact same thing.

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Good Grief Charlie Brown now you’re really spinning nonsense .

[Destroyer]

Good Grief Charlie Brown now you’re really spinning nonsense .

Not spinning anything. You'll notice all I did was ask a question. YOU, on the other hand, just post opinions framed as facts and truth with zero proof. And when asked for proof like in this thread all you do is deflect, try to change the subject or resort to name calling.

Then I postulated my opinion on the subject matter and I'm waiting for you to either rebut it or agree with it. Something you seem to be incapable of doing.

[bgreene]

Not spinning anything. You'll notice all I did was ask a question. YOU, on the other hand, just post opinions framed as facts and truth with zero proof. And when asked for proof like in this thread all you do is deflect, try to change the subject or resort to name calling.

Then I postulated my opinion on the subject matter and I'm waiting for you to either rebut it or agree with it. Something you seem to be incapable of doing.

The VIOLENT Insurrection attack on our CAPITOL with intend to HANG OUR VICE PRESIDENT
has been a major historical event in the history of our nation. They tried to disrupt our system of democracy by stopping peaceful transition of power at Presidential level.
Trump , his sleazy lawyer Giuliani provoked the assault and delayed action against it.
Traitors !

Your little attempt to steer this MAJOR event on our history to the woman who put herself directly in harms way is typically for you.

Says destroyer “ oh yeh but what about this and what about that “
And what about what happened in Seattle . Does not mitigate in any way what happened on Jan 6, 2021 in Washington DC

[Destroyer]

The VIOLENT Insurrection attack on our CAPITOL with intend to HANG OUR VICE PRESIDENT
has been a major historical event in the history of our nation. They tried to disrupt our system of democracy by stopping peaceful transition of power at Presidential level.
Trump , his sleazy lawyer Giuliani provoked the assault and delayed action against it.
Traitors !

Your little attempt to steer this MAJOR event on our history to the woman who put herself directly in harms way is typically for you.

Says destroyer “ oh yeh but what about this and what about that “
And what about what happened in Seattle . Does not mitigate in any way what happened on Jan 6, 2021 in Washington DC

No, of course not. But it does point out the stark contrast in how they are reported, the "justice" that each party received and the degree of violence. And it wasn't just Seattle. It was Portland, DC and a host of other democrat controlled cities throughout the Country.

[bgreene]

No, of course not. But it does point out the stark contrast in how they are reported, the "justice" that each party received and the degree of violence. And it wasn't just Seattle. It was Portland, DC and a host of other democrat controlled cities throughout the Country.

Media reports were all over the urban violence of last year - that’s WHY we know all about it.

THIS is about the trump led Insurrection attempt to essentially overthrow our government and stop BIDEN from RIGHTFULLY becoming the next President .
And now the Republicans - including YOU who continually try to minimize it and steer away from what happened. To try to make it “ go away”.

[Destroyer]

Media reports were all over the urban violence of last year - that’s WHY we know all about it.

THIS is about the trump led Insurrection attempt to essentially overthrow our government and stop BIDEN from RIGHTFULLY becoming the next President .
And now the Republicans - including YOU who continually try to minimize it and steer away from what happened. To try to make it “ go away”.

Jan 6 was all about people exercising their lawful right to assemble and protest for a redress of their grievances as protected by the first amendment. Let that sink is..... they had the LAWFUL RIGHT to protest, unlike the rioters during the preceding summer. While some people (about 2.75%) did get out of hand and did cause some damage, the vast majority of the people (97.25%) demonstrated peacefully.

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[bgreene]

Jan 6 was all about people exercising their lawful right to assemble and protest for a redress of their grievances as protected by the first amendment. Let that sink is..... they had the LAWFUL RIGHT to protest, unlike the rioters during the preceding summer. While some people (about 2.75%) did get out of hand and did cause some damage, the vast majority of the people (97.25%) demonstrated peacefully.

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destroyer - attacking police , breaking and entering our Capitol , and making terroristic threats against our Vice President is NOT legal. This is why these people are now getting prison sentences.
Bur of course you know this

[Destroyer]

destroyer - attacking police , breaking and entering our Capitol , and making terroristic threats against our Vice President is NOT legal. This is why these people are now getting prison sentences.
Bur of course you know this

Of course I know that. I never said it wasn't. But when you compare HOW the two groups of people have been treated there is a wide disparity. One group that did far more damage and injuries is let off with a slap on the wrist while the other group has the book thrown at them by a highly biased judge

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[bgreene]

Of course I know that. I never said it wasn't. But when you compare HOW the two groups of people have been treated there is a wide disparity. One group that did far more damage and injuries is let off with a slap on the wrist while the other group has the book thrown at them by a highly biased judge

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Biased judge ? Not at all - these people are getting the sentences they deserve

[scook]

Unless you apply the “justice being blind” and EQUAL protection concepts, looking at the despicable disparity of prosecution between the bad actors at the capitol and the repeat offending domestic terrorists who rioted for months on end. If you did that honestly, you would have to conclude that the capitol offenders are getting hugely unfair sentences by comparison.

[bgreene]

Unless you apply the “justice being blind” and EQUAL protection concepts, looking at the despicable disparity of prosecution between the bad actors at the capitol and the repeat offending domestic terrorists who rioted for months on end. If you did that honestly, you would have to conclude that the capitol offenders are getting hugely unfair sentences by comparison.

Pitiful excuse to try and cover for what happened at our Capitol - the biggest threat to our democracy since the civil war.
So don’t throw out the “ yeh but “ . Urban violence that occurred was very bad.

Does NOT cover for excuse these Insurrectionists hell bent on hanging our Vice President and stopping the transfer of power.

[scook]

There is nothing in my post that remotely excuses the violence at the capitol. It only points out the vast disparity and, I believe hypocrisy, in the application of the law.

If you believe the capitol violence was the greatest threat to our democracy since the civil war, you shouldn’t be out without adult supervision - that is an absolutely ludicrous statement. Do you honestly believe there was ANY likelihood of the transfer of power being stopped?

[bgreene]

There is nothing in my post that remotely excuses the violence at the capitol. It only points out the vast disparity and, I believe hypocrisy, in the application of the law.

If you believe the capitol violence was the greatest threat to our democracy since the civil war, you shouldn’t be out without adult supervision - that is an absolutely ludicrous statement. Do you honestly believe there was ANY likelihood of the transfer of power being stopped?

More BS from you destroyer - you previously referred to the insurrectionist attack attempt to overthrow our government as “ a small group that got roudy”

Roust is what you called them- those that smashed their way through police into our Capitol to try and stop our peaceful system of transfer of power.

You’re on the wrong side of history destroyer - like trying to defend the Natzi movement .

[bgreene]

There is nothing in my post that remotely excuses the violence at the capitol. It only points out the vast disparity and, I believe hypocrisy, in the application of the law.

If you believe the capitol violence was the greatest threat to our democracy since the civil war, you shouldn’t be out without adult supervision - that is an absolutely ludicrous statement. Do you honestly believe there was ANY likelihood of the transfer of power being stopped?

More BS from you destroyer - you previously referred to the insurrectionist attack attempt to overthrow our government as a small group that got roudy

Roudy is what you called them- those that smashed their way through police into our Capitol to try and stop our peaceful system of transfer of power.

You’re on the wrong side of history destroyer - like trying to defend the Natzi movement .

[Destroyer]

More BS from you destroyer - you previously referred to the insurrectionist attack attempt to overthrow our government as a small group that got roudy

Roudy is what you called them- those that smashed their way through police into our Capitol to try and stop our peaceful system of transfer of power.

You’re on the wrong side of history destroyer - like trying to defend the Natzi movement .

For the love of God, WILL YOU PLEASE LEARN TO SPELL!!! It's Nazi, NOT Natzi.

And for the (hopefully) last time when you compare 550 to 20,000+ then YES it was a small group!!! Less than 5%

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[scook]

Another thing you should do is read the posts before you respond to them. The post you attribute to Destroyer is my post and it neither contains ANY BS, nor are ANY of your allegations in reference to it in ANY way truthful.

[bgreene]

Another thing you should do is read the posts before you respond to them. The post you attribute to Destroyer is my post and it neither contains ANY BS, nor are ANY of your allegations in reference to it in ANY way truthful.

You reference trumps speech - TRUMP LIED IN HIS SPEECH saying he immediately sent in the National Guard to restore peace. LIAR !!!! Trump did nothing for hours while the police are heard on radio begging for help !!!! It wasnt even trump who sent the help .
Trumps a bold faced LIAR

Then trump conceded his loss by the way

[scook]

No, I didn’t reference Trump’s or anyone else’s speech. All of the things in this and your previous response are completely non responsive to what I posted both times.

[bgreene]

For the love of God, WILL YOU PLEASE LEARN TO SPELL!!! It's Nazi, NOT Natzi.

And for the (hopefully) last time when you compare 550 to 20,000+ then YES it was a small group!!! Less than 5%

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Here’s destroyer using GOD’s name and BOLD type acting all upset because I misspelled Nazi .
Destroyer - poster of lots of vulgarity pretending it’s a big deal about a misspelled word. As if his nasty, vulgar, cursing posts somehow ok because he didn’t misspell the F word …..

[Destroyer]

Here’s destroyer using GOD’s name and BOLD type acting all upset because I misspelled Nazi .
Destroyer - poster of lots of vulgarity pretending it’s a big deal about a misspelled word. As if his nasty, vulgar, cursing posts somehow ok because he didn’t misspell the F word …..

It's not so much that you misspelled Nazi, it's that you have done it repeatedly, even after being corrected.

Have you never heard of spell check? Do you know what it means when you mistype a word and there's a red line under it?

As for posting lots of vulgarity, I'm afraid that you're mistaken (again). Let's see.... You say I've made lots of vulgar, cursing, nasty posts. Hmmm.... I've made almost 7000 posts in these forums, and maybe in total 20 of them might have contained a word or phrase that some people might consider as rude or vulgar. That's hardly "lots" as you call it. But you know what? ANY time I've used words or phrases like that the person that I've addressed them to deserved them and more. And I usually used them in response to some name calling that the person had called me. So I really don't give a flying fickle finger of fate if they upset you. Poor baby....

All you seem to be capable of doing is jumping on a few words someone posts and you completely ignore the subject of the post. Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder if you have even the slightest concept of what a debate is or how to conduct yourself while in one.
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[bgreene]

Siege on our Capitol - an Insurrection attempt by violent trump supporters Jan 6,2021.

Encouraged by the President of our United States and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani .

Our FBI rounding these people up, our courts sentencing them to prison.

FACTS still matter in America.

[Destroyer]

Siege on our Capitol - an Insurrection attempt by violent trump supporters Jan 6,2021.

Encouraged by the President of our United States and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani .

Our FBI rounding these people up, our courts sentencing them to prison.

FACTS still matter in America.

Almost all lies, like usual

Not an insurrection attempt. A mostly peaceful protest demonstration.

Not encouraged by President Trump., In fact he called for them to remain peaceful.

Unfortunately, you're correct on the FBI being weaponized to round up people on civil charges and then the biased Democrat Judge sentencing them to prison for misdemeanor crimes. Complete travesty of Justice and you support it.

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[bgreene]

Almost all lies, like usual

Not an insurrection attempt. A mostly peaceful protest demonstration.

Not encouraged by President Trump., In fact he called for them to remain peaceful.

Unfortunately, you're correct on the FBI being weaponized to round up people on civil charges and then the biased Democrat Judge sentencing them to prison for misdemeanor crimes. Complete travesty of Justice and you support it.

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Those that were violent deserve prison those that were peaceful do not.
Yes of course I support this because I’m a patriotic American and it was an insurrection attempt .

[bgreene]

These insurrectionists being arrested ALL APOLOGIZING and saying they were WRONG .
Wonder why that is ?

Capitol Insurrection attempt an act of domestic terrorism

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965472049/the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories

[Destroyer]

These insurrectionists being arrested ALL APOLOGIZING and saying they were WRONG .
Wonder why that is ?

Capitol Insurrection attempt an act of domestic terrorism

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965472049/the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories

The reason is because they are being told that if they apologize they are likely to get a lesser sentence than if they remain defiant. That's common practice in all court trials, not just this one. Did you ever read Orwell's 1984? You should know that.

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[bgreene]

The reason is because they are being told that if they apologize they are likely to get a lesser sentence than if they remain defiant. That's common practice in all court trials, not just this one. Did you ever read Orwell's 1984? You should know that.

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So youre saying their apologies are not genuine ?

Yes I read 1984 as you previously asked

Domestic terrorism - that you called a small group that got rowdy

[bgreene]

Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/30/donald-trump-called-top-aides-capitol-riot-biden

[Destroyer]

Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/30/donald-trump-called-top-aides-capitol-riot-biden

Talk about spin, it's funny how that article starts with describing the jan 6 demonstration as a "deadly attack" on the Capital when in fact the only person that was killed was the woman that was murdered by the Capital Police thug. A few other people (I believe 6 in total including Ashi) died as a result of that Demonstration. Heart attacks and other medical reasons... As far as the article goes, I believe it's still legal to call people on the phone and talk to them. President Trump did nothing wrong, no matter how much the Democrats and you try to spin it. (Maybe that's why he wasn't arrested?) Move along folks... nothing to see here....

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[bgreene]

Talk about spin, it's funny how that article starts with describing the jan 6 demonstration as a "deadly attack" on the Capital when in fact the only person that was killed was the woman that was murdered by the Capital Police thug. A few other people (I believe 6 in total including Ashi) died as a result of that Demonstration. Heart attacks and other medical reasons... As far as the article goes, I believe it's still legal to call people on the phone and talk to them. President Trump did nothing wrong, no matter how much the Democrats and you try to spin it. (Maybe that's why he wasn't arrested?) Move along folks... nothing to see here....

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“ nothing to see here “ says Destroyer about the violent insurrection attempt by trump supporters to try and murder our Vice President and stop the process of peaceful transition of power. An event significant as that which occurred during the Civil War.

[Destroyer]

“ nothing to see here “ says Destroyer about the violent insurrection attempt by trump supporters to try and murder our Vice President and stop the process of peaceful transition of power. An event significant as that which occurred during the Civil War.

:you:

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[bgreene]

:you:

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Not funny at all

[Destroyer]

Not funny at all

You're right. More like hilarious. :you:

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[bgreene]

You're right. More like hilarious. :you:

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No destroyer - the violent attack on our Govt personnel including attempt to kill our VP Pence was not funny. Maybe you were a participant ? Will see if FBI rounds your up too

[Destroyer]

No destroyer - the violent attack on our Govt personnel including attempt to kill our VP Pence was not funny. Maybe you were a participant ? Will see if FBI rounds your up too

More and more I look forward to your stupid answers. :you:

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[bgreene]

More and more I look forward to your stupid answers. :you:

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That’s because you try to avoid the facts and truth due to your man crush on the lying cheating con man traitor Donald fake orange face trump .

Insurrection attempt denial - well sir those participants are getting prison sentences one by one associated with the domestic terror attack it was.

[Destroyer]

That***8217;s because you try to avoid the facts and truth due to your man crush on the lying cheating con man traitor Donald fake orange face trump .

Insurrection attempt denial - well sir those participants are getting prison sentences one by one associated with the domestic terror attack it was.

:haha: Man crush? So says the anus used for sex. :you:

You want to swap insults or actually have a debate, because I can do this all night boy.

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[bgreene]

:haha: Man crush? So says the anus used for sex. :you:

You want to swap insults or actually have a debate, because I can do this all night boy.

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And there he goes …….destroyer showing his true colors - vulgar at his core and disrespectful even to this web site .
Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor - Orange make up included

[Destroyer]

And there he goes …….destroyer showing his true colors - vulgar at his core and disrespectful even to this web site .
Trumps a lying cheating con man traitor - Orange make up included

And there he goes …….BGreene showing his true colors - vulgar at his core and disrespectful even to this web site. Accusing people of having man crushes on other men, but not able to take the same type insult he dishes out. What a wimp.
Biden's a lying cheating con man traitor - a corrupt senile old fool unable to string two complete sentences together without the aid of a teleprompter.

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[bgreene]

[QUOTE=Destroyer;245585]And there he goes …….BGreene showing his true colors - vulgar at his core and disrespectful even to this web site. Accusing people of having man crushes on other men, but not able to take the same type insult he dishes out. What a wimp.
Biden's a lying cheating con man traitor - a corrupt senile old fool unable to string two complete sentences together without the aid of a teleprompter.

Your deep appreciation for my writing is obvious as you plagiarize my exact words spun as usual .

I wasn’t accusing “ people “ of having a man crush on Trump I wrote that about you specifically and singularly . And its not vulgar . Your vulgar .

Trumps a fake oranges face lying cheating con man traitor to America .
Yes indeed

[Destroyer]

[QUOTE=Destroyer;245585]And there he goes …….BGreene showing his true colors - vulgar at his core and disrespectful even to this web site. Accusing people of having man crushes on other men, but not able to take the same type insult he dishes out. What a wimp.
Biden's a lying cheating con man traitor - a corrupt senile old fool unable to string two complete sentences together without the aid of a teleprompter.

Your deep appreciation for my writing is obvious as you plagiarize my exact words spun as usual .

I wasn’t accusing “ people “ of having a man crush on Trump I wrote that about you specifically and singularly . And its not vulgar . Your vulgar .

Trumps a fake oranges face lying cheating con man traitor to America .
Yes indeed

Ahhh.... So YOU think you get to determine what is and what isn't vulgar? Wrong Biff, as usual. Accusing me (or anyone) of having a man crush on another man is most certainly vulgar.

I'm a little confused though about your choices of verbiage . You keep talking about man crushes on other men, piss and men's testicles... Why are you so interested in men? Are you gay? I mean, if you are it doesn't bother me at all, but I just wonder why you're hiding it. Are you that ashamed of it?

(Oh, and it's you're, not your).

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[bgreene]

[QUOTE=bgreene;245597]

Ahhh.... So YOU think you get to determine what is and what isn't vulgar? Wrong Biff, as usual. Accusing me (or anyone) of having a man crush on another man is most certainly vulgar.

I'm a little confused though about your choices of verbiage . You keep talking about man crushes on other men, piss and men's testicles... Why are you so interested in men? Are you gay? I mean, if you are it doesn't bother me at all, but I just wonder why you're hiding it. Are you that ashamed of it?

(Oh, and it's you're, not your).

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Look in mirror - you’re the guy who’s repeatedly posted vulgar, rude, crude and inappropriately
But of course you know it

[Destroyer]

[QUOTE=Destroyer;245607]


Look in mirror - you’re the guy who’s repeatedly posted vulgar, rude, crude and inappropriately
But of course you know it

I know of no such thing.
I'm just a humble, modest, honest,
Never lewd, rude or crude
Superstar of the WellcraftV20 forums.
Naturally, I am Destroyer

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[bgreene]

[QUOTE=bgreene;245620]

I know of no such thing.
I'm just a humble, modest, honest,
Never lewd, rude or crude
Superstar of the WellcraftV20 forums.
Naturally, I am Destroyer

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“ never rude lewd or crude “ says destroyer .
Hahahahahah you’re very comfortable lying .

Me I’m not comfortable to lie - never have been.
Just feels wrong - like you are - just plain wrong

[Destroyer]

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“ never rude lewd or crude “ says destroyer .
Hahahahahah you’re very comfortable lying .

Me I’m not comfortable to lie - never have been.
Just feels wrong - like you are - just plain wrong

Again with the personal insults.

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[bgreene]

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Again with the personal insults.

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Siege on our Capitol - attempt to stop certification of the next duly elected President of our United States of America . Encouraged by the former President and his lawyer .

A historic event in our history that may lead to the undoing of our great democracy .
Like the fall of the Senate on the Roman Empire - when a single Pharaoh took over.
A democracy is fragile and must be upheld or it falls to tyranny.

Donald Trump wants to rule our nation - to run it as part of his own business kingdom.
To slowly eliminate non supporting entities - in our government , our businesses, our media and our people. Only those of strongest character can face this truth, speak up, and vote against it .

[Destroyer]

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Siege on our Capitol - attempt to stop certification of the next duly elected President of our United States of America . Encouraged by the former President and his lawyer .

A historic event in our history that may lead to the undoing of our great democracy .
Like the fall of the Senate on the Roman Empire - when a single Pharaoh took over.
A democracy is fragile and must be upheld or it falls to tyranny.

Donald Trump wants to rule our nation - to run it as part of his own business kingdom.
To slowly eliminate non supporting entities - in our government , our businesses, our media and our people. Only those of strongest character can face this truth, speak up, and vote against it .

A historic event? Hardly. There have been many many demonstrations at our Nation's Capital. But I will agree this was one of the more newsworthy.

The Egyptians had Pharaohs. The Romans had Consuls

I totally agree with you that a Democracy is a fragile thing and must be upheld. That's why people are so much against the Democrats right now, because they see what is happening to their freedoms.

I agree that Mr. Trump wants to rule our nation, as president. We disagree as to if he wants to run it as part of his business empire. He is constrained by the Constitution on what he can and cannot do.

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[bgreene]

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A historic event? Hardly. There have been many many demonstrations at our Nation's Capital. But I will agree this was one of the more newsworthy.

The Egyptians had Pharaohs. The Romans had Consuls

I totally agree with you that a Democracy is a fragile thing and must be upheld. That's why people are so much against the Democrats right now, because they see what is happening to their freedoms.

I agree that Mr. Trump wants to rule our nation, as president. We disagree as to if he wants to run it as part of his business empire. He is constrained by the Constitution on what he can and cannot do.

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Hah constraints on what he can do . Spin destroyer ! Spin !

[Destroyer]

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Hah constraints on what he can do . Spin destroyer ! Spin !

You disagree that the Constitution places constraints on presidents? :head: Interesting

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[bgreene]

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You disagree that the Constitution places constraints on presidents? :head: Interesting

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Trump doesn’t care about constitutional constraints

[scook]

Neither does Biden, e.g. admitting that the Supreme Court had ruled on eviction mandates, but attempting to ignore it. The constraints still applied, as they did often with Trump. His executive orders were often successfully challenged or at least delayed & modified in court.

Regarding controlling the media, Trump was the subject of constant, incessant and often flagrantly dishonest attacks from the majority of the media and couldn’t/didn’t silence them.

The constitution is very much at work constraining presidents and if, as you suggest, Trump wants to become a dictator, there is zero chance of his being able to make it happen.

The statist nature of European governments, including disarming of their populations and lack of constitutions that declare individual rights, rather than privileges granted by the governments, made Hitler’s takeover possible.

Where Trump was at all similar to Hitler was in stirring national pride in our exceptional (while not without its problems) country and showing respect for those of us who actually work and produce goods and services. He never vilified any ethnic group or tried to shut them out of our prosperity - exactly the opposite.

[bgreene]

Neither does Biden, e.g. admitting that the Supreme Court had ruled on eviction mandates, but attempting to ignore it. The constraints still applied, as they did often with Trump. His executive orders were often successfully challenged or at least delayed & modified in court.

Regarding controlling the media, Trump was the subject of constant, incessant and often flagrantly dishonest attacks from the majority of the media and couldn’t/didn’t silence them.

The constitution is very much at work constraining presidents and if, as you suggest, Trump wants to become a dictator, there is zero chance of his being able to make it happen.

The statist nature of European governments, including disarming of their populations and lack of constitutions that declare individual rights, rather than privileges granted by the governments, made Hitler’s takeover possible.

Where Trump was at all similar to Hitler was in stirring national pride in our exceptional (while not without its problems) country and showing respect for those of us who actually work and produce goods and services. He never vilified any ethnic group or tried to shut them out of our prosperity - exactly the opposite.


Based on all trumps comments and behaviors I very much disagree - he lost the election by large margin then tried to stop our democratic transfer of power.
The LACK of credible evidence otherwise proves this out.

[scook]

I know we don’t agree on the likelihood of significant voting irregularities, but an important point is that he was not successful in getting the voting integrity thoroughly examined and wasn’t able to get the outcome changed. I’m not convinced of the fairness of the process (potential fraudulent ballots, not necessarily fraudulent counting), but the system prevented any attempt to change the result.

My concern with your narrative is that I think you have too little faith in how the founding fathers set up the system - congress and the courts frustrated Trump’s attempts to do some things and have done the same with some of Biden’s. I just don’t think there’s a viable path to dictatorship in the US.

That said, I’m very concerned about the far reaching and long lasting effects of the radical left’s permissiveness, allowing rampant crime to spread. I think it could lead to some very serious conflict with some very bad consequences.

[bgreene]

FACT - trump lost the election
FACT - his audits re confirmed he LOST

[scook]

I don’t think that’s what we were talking about.

Your proposition that Trump would destroy our democratic structure seems to me to be an extremely unrealistic one with absolutely zero probability of success. This was clearly demonstrated while he was in office by the constant opposition and many successful court and congressional blocking of parts of his agenda.

It’s clear that you can’t stand the man on a personal level and you have plenty of reason for that. He has an ego the size of Texas, Montana and Alaska and can be obnoxious in his personal attacks. To be fair, you should probably give a little more weight to the obnoxiousness of the dishonest, personal attacks that were constantly leveled at him by the president and political opponents.

[bgreene]

I don’t think that’s what we were talking about.

Your proposition that Trump would destroy our democratic structure seems to me to be an extremely unrealistic one with absolutely zero probability of success. This was clearly demonstrated while he was in office by the constant opposition and many successful court and congressional blocking of parts of his agenda.

It’s clear that you can’t stand the man on a personal level and you have plenty of reason for that. He has an ego the size of Texas, Montana and Alaska and can be obnoxious in his personal attacks. To be fair, you should probably give a little more weight to the obnoxiousness of the dishonest, personal attacks that were constantly leveled at him by the president and political opponents.

That’s got more holes in it than Swiss cheese !
1. Trump has long been the KING of insulting others
2. The Republican Party is working - right now - to make fair elections UNFAIR and the outcomes CONTROLLED by their own appointment officials.
3. I don’t hate trump ……although I don’t like him personally . What I hate is he’s a lying cheating con man traitor to our nation.

What you refer to us “ unlikely to happen “ analogous to German ***s who thought things wouldn’t get worse in their country, until it was too late and they couldn’t get out.

Those who fail to follow the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it .

[scook]

Do you have a link regarding Republicans working to make elections unfair? Everything I’ve seen looks like they just want voter ID, adequate to reasonably assure that only citizens are voting. I’m open to new information.

[bgreene]

Do you have a link regarding Republicans working to make elections unfair? Everything I’ve seen looks like they just want voter ID, adequate to reasonably assure that only citizens are voting. I’m open to new information.

This will get you started

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/28/970877930/why-republicans-are-moving-to-fix-elections-that-werent-broken

[oteps]

So unfair means limiting early voting to 17 days before and limiting mail in voting? And having an ID to vote? How is that unfair? How are they going to control the outcome if the votes are counted legally?

[bgreene]

So unfair means limiting early voting to 17 days before and limiting mail in voting? And having an ID to vote? How is that unfair? How are they going to control the outcome if the votes are counted legally?

Oteps - no that’s not bad - what is bad was in the attachment I thoughtfully provided

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/28/970877930/why-republicans-are-moving-to-fix-elections-that-werent-broken

[Destroyer]

Oteps - no that’s not bad - what is bad was in the attachment I thoughtfully provided

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/28/970877930/why-republicans-are-moving-to-fix-elections-that-werent-broken


Hmmm.... I'm with Osteps on this one. He said So unfair means limiting early voting to 17 days before and limiting mail in voting? And having an ID to vote? How is that unfair? How are they going to control the outcome if the votes are counted legally?

To which you said no that’s not bad - what is bad was in the attachment I thoughtfully provided

Well, I read word for word the link you thoughtfully provided, and while it's slant and spin was decidedly anti-Republican, still, it did make a number of salient points. All of which Osteps covered in his comment. So I'll repeat his comment ... "So unfair means limiting early voting to 17 days before and limiting mail in voting? And having an ID to vote? How is that unfair? How are they going to control the outcome if the votes are counted legally"?

I'll ask the same question. How is that unfair? How are the Republicans going to control the outcome of the election if the votes are counted legally?

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[bgreene]

The records produced by Meadows leave "no doubt" that the White House knew about the violent riot that was taking place at the Capitol as the chaos unfolded.

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., read out a series of panicked messages that pro-Trump Fox News hosts, congressional lawmakers and even the president's own children had sent Meadows during the riot.

"Mark, the president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home. This is hurting all of us. He is destroying his legacy," Cheney said, quoting a text from Fox host Laura Ingraham.

Meanwhile - the so called law and order trump was enjoying the attack on our Capitol

[oteps]

What?

[bgreene]

What?

That’s right - it’s all coming out now - while Trump watched the violent Insurrection attempt on his TV.

Mark Meadows - now in contempt of court

[bgreene]

Fox News BEGGED the White House for Trump to tell the rioters to stop !
But trump remained silent for over 1-1/2 hours

The TRUTH matters to America

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/media/january-6-fox-news-reliable-sources/index.html

[oteps]

What? Was for not answering the questions that were asked twice.

[bgreene]

Fox News BEGGED the White House for Trump to tell the rioters to stop !
But trump remained silent for over 1-1/2 hours

The TRUTH matters to America

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/media/january-6-fox-news-reliable-sources/index.html

The TRUTH now coming as HARD EVIDENCE in the form of TEXTS from trumps son, many others and even Fox News begging Trump to tell the rioters to stop. Trump refused - for 1-/12 hours as he watched it on tv

Proof that trumps a lying cheating con man traitor to our nation.
Absolutely PROOF

[Destroyer]

The TRUTH now coming as HARD EVIDENCE in the form of TEXTS from trumps son, many others and even Fox News begging Trump to tell the rioters to stop. Trump refused - for 1-/12 hours as he watched it on tv

Proof that trumps a lying cheating con man traitor to our nation.
Absolutely PROOF

I'm not going to even attempt to refute CNN. They have a history of twisting facts and making things up. I'm simply going to wait until things play out in the orchestrated witch hunt.

[bgreene]

I'm not going to even attempt to refute CNN. They have a history of twisting facts and making things up. I'm simply going to wait until things play out in the orchestrated witch hunt.

You’re a FACT denier - other news report this same data - as the actual texts are being released . As these facts are releases you’ll just call it fake to avoid the truth

Trump - now proven the lying cheating con man traitor

[scook]

Well, I don’t deny facts that are credibly reported, but I continue to be skeptical of sources I’ve confirmed as having demonstrated their dishonesty and CNN is among those.

[bgreene]

Well, I don’t deny facts that are credibly reported, but I continue to be skeptical of sources I’ve confirmed as having demonstrated their dishonesty and CNN is among those.

Good that you DONT DENY the facts now being reported on many news sites - proving trumps the self serving lying cheating con man traitor

[Destroyer]

You’re a FACT denier - other news report this same data - as the actual texts are being released . As these facts are releases you’ll just call it fake to avoid the truth

Trump - now proven the lying cheating con man traitor

I think that, as usual, you misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't deny that Fox or Don Jr. made text messages. I don't even doubt that the reporting of them is accurate. I just doubt that they have the significance that you are attributing to them. In fact, I think that Liz may have cut the legs out from under the "investigation" by releasing them. So, as I have already said, I'll wait and see how the witch hunt plays out before making any definitive comment.

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[bgreene]

I think that, as usual, you misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't deny that Fox or Don Jr. made text messages. I don't even doubt that the reporting of them is accurate. I just doubt that they have the significance that you are attributing to them. In fact, I think that Liz may have cut the legs out from under the "investigation" by releasing them. So, as I have already said, I'll wait and see how the witch hunt plays out before making any definitive comment.

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You do that destroyer - refer to trumps now very clear support of the violent attack on our Capitol as a witch hunt.

The TRUTH is now being revealed as even Fox News reporters tried to get Trump to tell the rioters to stop . Of course those same people later try to whit wash this historic insurrection attempt as a non issue .

Lying cheating con man traitor trump exposed !!!!
You play your games - this is crystal clear

[Destroyer]

You do that destroyer - refer to trumps now very clear support of the violent attack on our Capitol as a witch hunt.

The TRUTH is now being revealed as even Fox News reporters tried to get Trump to tell the rioters to stop . Of course those same people later try to whit wash this historic insurrection attempt as a non issue .

Lying cheating con man traitor trump exposed !!!!
You play your games - this is crystal clear

Perhaps crystal clear to you, but that's only your opinion. Not facts.

The real fact is that some people thought that the demonstration was getting out of hand and that those same people texted Meadows and asked him to talk to the truthful, honest, straight talking, American patriot, President Trump, and have him say something, which, of course, he did.

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[bgreene]

Perhaps crystal clear to you, but that's only your opinion. Not facts.

The real fact is that some people thought that the demonstration was getting out of hand and that those same people texted Meadows and asked him to talk to the truthful, honest, straight talking, American patriot, President Trump, and have him say something, which, of course, he did.

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“ some people thought the demonstration was getting out of hand “ says destroyer .
“ some people “

The entire WORLD that was able to see it viewed the VIOLENT trump supporting mob attempting insurrection while hunting down our government officials while making terroristic threats to hang out Vice President.

Trump meanwhile refused to make a statement instead watching it on TV for at least 1-1/2 hours while it went on.

His own son couldn’t even get him to do the right thing.

Destroyer - you fit right in with trump and Fox News .
Disinformation , slander , spinning the facts to false narrative .

[Destroyer]

***8220; some people thought the demonstration was getting out of hand ***8220; says destroyer .
***8220; some people ***8220;

The entire WORLD that was able to see it viewed the VIOLENT trump supporting mob attempting insurrection while hunting down our government officials while making terroristic threats to hang out Vice President.

Trump meanwhile refused to make a statement instead watching it on TV for at least 1-1/2 hours while it went on.

His own son couldn***8217;t even get him to do the right thing.

Destroyer - you fit right in with trump and Fox News .
Disinformation , slander , spinning the facts to false narrative .


Disinformation , slander , spinning the facts to false narrative ... Yep that description fits you to a "t". Glad you posted it. Copy and paste saved me the trouble of typing it. Thanks.

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[bgreene]

Disinformation , slander , spinning the facts to false narrative ... Yep that description fits you to a "t". Glad you posted it. Copy and paste saved me the trouble of typing it. Thanks.

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This is all you have left now - the nonsense .

It’s all over the news now - the TRUTH about Trump, his own sons plea and Fox News lies .
The truth, the facts that reconfirm - to Donald it’s all about himself first and above all else .
Donald Trump - malignant narcissistic personality disorder, and a lying cheating con man traitor to America .

Don’t hate me for it - it is what it is. If you can’t face this truth it’s your problem not mine .

[Destroyer]

This is all you have left now - the nonsense .

It’s all over the news now - the TRUTH about Trump, his own sons plea and Fox News lies .
The truth, the facts that reconfirm - to Donald it’s all about himself first and above all else .
Donald Trump - malignant narcissistic personality disorder, and a lying cheating con man traitor to America .

Don’t hate me for it - it is what it is. If you can’t face this truth it’s your problem not mine .

The truth is that a number of people texted and asked Meadows to talk to the President and have him say something about the demonstration, which he did. That's ALL, the whole sum of the "truth" you keep talking about. It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was no collusion. So what the heck are you even talking about?

And I don't hate you for your posts. It does sadden me however to see just how deeply you and half the Country have been deceived by the Marxist, Socialist Democrats that have corrupted the once good Democrat party.

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[bgreene]

“ to say something about the demonstration which he did you write “.
You’re always trying to minimize the truth of this event . Just like Fox News now

Reality - it was a VIOLENT domestic terrorist attack attempt to stop the transfer of power from trump to Biden by a mob that smashed their way past police into our Capitol hunting for our officials with intent to hang our Vice President .

And despite DESPERATE PLEAS from his son, Fox News and others Trump did NOT say anything for at least 1-1/2 hours while it raged on.

This is the truth

[Destroyer]

***8220; to say something about the demonstration which he did you write ***8220;.
You***8217;re always trying to minimize the truth of this event . Just like Fox News now

Reality - it was a VIOLENT domestic terrorist attack attempt to stop the transfer of power from trump to Biden by a mob that smashed their way past police into our Capitol hunting for our officials with intent to hang our Vice President .

And despite DESPERATE PLEAS from his son, Fox News and others Trump did NOT say anything for at least 1-1/2 hours while it raged on.

This is the truth

I don't dispute the text message part of your post. That's a matter of public record, thanks Liz Cheney.

However, it was not a "domestic terrorist attack". Not by a long shot. That's a pretty far stretch, even for you.

Was it violent? yes, I'd think I'd agree that parts of it, by a small number of people, was violent. The most violent part was, of course, when that Capital Police thug shot an unarmed woman and murdered her. That was pretty violent. The rest of it, the pushing and shoving, the breaking of some furniture and some doors was pretty tame, especially when you compare it to all the riots of the summer before, where stores were looted, buildings burned and several people were killed. Why is it that you completely ignore that? :head:

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[bgreene]

I don't dispute the text message part of your post. That's a matter of public record, thanks Liz Cheney.

However, it was not a "domestic terrorist attack". Not by a long shot. That's a pretty far stretch, even for you.

Was it violent? yes, I'd think I'd agree that parts of it, by a small number of people, was violent. The most violent part was, of course, when that Capital Police thug shot an unarmed woman and murdered her. That was pretty violent. The rest of it, the pushing and shoving, the breaking of some furniture and some doors was pretty tame, especially when you compare it to all the riots of the summer before, where stores were looted, buildings burned and several people were killed. Why is it that you completely ignore that? :head:

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Our FBI Director labeled the violent attack on our Capitol as “ DOMESTIC TERRORISM.”
Oh yes he did and here’s the link you pretend otherwise.

Punching holes in your BS is easy destroyer - because the FACTS and the TRUTH are pure, honest, and real.

I don’t have to compare the violent insurrection attack on our Capitol to urban violence .
The violent attack on our Capitol, on our peaceful transfer of power , on our democratic process was a specific and unique event in the history of our nation.


https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-03-02/fbi-wray-testify-congress-capitol-siege

[Destroyer]

Our FBI Director labeled the violent attack on our Capitol as “ DOMESTIC TERRORISM.”
Oh yes he did and here’s the link you pretend otherwise.

Punching holes in your BS is easy destroyer - because the FACTS and the TRUTH are pure, honest, and real.

I don’t have to compare the violent insurrection attack on our Capitol to urban violence .
The violent attack on our Capitol, on our peaceful transfer of power , on our democratic process was a specific and unique event in the history of our nation.


https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-03-02/fbi-wray-testify-congress-capitol-siege

Oh, is this the same FBI Director that called those parents that objected to the school board "domestic terrorists" or is this a different FBI Director? Rofl... And you're quoting the LATimes as factual and unbiased? You really are desperate aren't you? You know what? YOU are a Domestic Terrorist. There, I just labeled you as one.

See? That's how a dangerously silly stupid post goes. People like you label people or events you don't like as something evil, like calling them "domestic terrorists" and you gloss over real domestic terrorism as nothing but "Urban violence". You play word games because there are really stupid people that will believe you and your fake BS, and then you try to cloak yourself in some make believe false mantle of "truth" and facts" when you know that almost everything you say is pure horse manure.

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[bgreene]

Oh, is this the same FBI Director that called those parents that objected to the school board "domestic terrorists" or is this a different FBI Director? Rofl... And you're quoting the LATimes as factual and unbiased? You really are desperate aren't you? You know what? YOU are a Domestic Terrorist. There, I just labeled you as one.

See? That's how a dangerously silly stupid post goes. People like you label people or events you don't like as something evil, like calling them "domestic terrorists" and you gloss over real domestic terrorism as nothing but "Urban violence". You play word games because there are really stupid people that will believe you and your fake BS, and then you try to cloak yourself in some make believe false mantle of "truth" and facts" when you know that almost everything you say is pure horse manure.

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Hahahah hah destroyer calls me a “ domestic terrorist” and of course discredits our Director of FBI.
But of course you’re WRONG AGAIN - here’s the definition of domestic terrorist - which the Insurrectionist were:
Terrorism - FBI
Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences

Exactly what these people were that attacked our Capitol and FBI Director 100 % correct .

[scook]

In fairness, that definition exactly fits the rioting left wing mobs for more than a year and continuing today. The result of permissioning this kind of lawlessness is the spreading of lawlessness, e.g. kids now think it’s OK to organize threats against schools on TikTok. This largely inconsequence lawlessness is a very serious threat to our democracy and very destructive to the way of life our magnificent country has achieved.

You can hold whatever opinion you have as to the severity of the capitol violence and Trump’s character, but I think not vigorously engaging this very serious, virulent threat is a huge mistake. I think anyone not working hard to vote out the far left, incompetent and flagrantly dishonest office holders who are perpetuating this foolishness is way far off a reasonable path - ignoring a huge body of facts and truth that is before us every day.

[bgreene]

In fairness, that definition exactly fits the rioting left wing mobs for more than a year and continuing today. The result of permissioning this kind of lawlessness is the spreading of lawlessness, e.g. kids now think it’s OK to organize threats against schools on TikTok. This largely inconsequence lawlessness is a very serious threat to our democracy and very destructive to the way of life our magnificent country has achieved.

You can hold whatever opinion you have as to the severity of the capitol violence and Trump’s character, but I think not vigorously engaging this very serious, virulent threat is a huge mistake. I think anyone not working hard to vote out the far left, incompetent and flagrantly dishonest office holders who are perpetuating this foolishness is way far off a reasonable path - ignoring a huge body of facts and truth that is before us every day.

Scook - I don’t “ hold any OPINION I want “ about the violent Insurrection attempt to stop our legally voted Presidential transfer of power from Trump to Biden .
I write about the FACTS OF WHAT TOOK PLACE- those who encouraged it, those that delayed action to stop it, those guilty of the violence, and those that try to minimize and lie what happened.

We WILL NOT dismiss the historic attempt to kill our Vice President and stop our democratic process by virtue of comparison to other violent demonstrations.

Inner city violence is another issue and problem.

[scook]

My point remains - I just don’t see you engaging what is a very serious threat to our national wellbeing.

If the FBI was doing it’s job, having plenty of notice via social media, they would have coordinated a large federal law enforcement presence at the capitol, stopped the violent members of the group from getting in and there would still have been a big demonstration.

If I were in charge of local law enforcement in my city, Portland, I would have placed a very large police presence in the path of the domestic terrorists who were attacking public and private buildings and citizens, causing millions of dollars of damage, serious injury and death and bankrupting a lot of businesses, many minority owned. I would have invited federal law enforcement to protect federal facilities and personnel, not referred to them as occupiers and thugs like our state and city officials did. I would have had all violent offenders arrested (of course, to get them prosecuted, we would have had to get rid of our far left foolish DA as well).

My opinion of the severity of the capitol violence and Trump’s connection to it is definitely less extreme than yours, but I’m very concerned about what happened. I think if you really care about the big picture of our well-being, and I think you do, you should show significantly more concern than is expressed in your posts.

[bgreene]

My point remains - I just don’t see you engaging what is a very serious threat to our national wellbeing.

If the FBI was doing it’s job, having plenty of notice via social media, they would have coordinated a large federal law enforcement presence at the capitol, stopped the violent members of the group from getting in and there would still have been a big demonstration.

If I were in charge of local law enforcement in my city, Portland, I would have placed a very large police presence in the path of the domestic terrorists who were attacking public and private buildings and citizens, causing millions of dollars of damage, serious injury and death and bankrupting a lot of businesses, many minority owned. I would have invited federal law enforcement to protect federal facilities and personnel, not referred to them as occupiers and thugs like our state and city officials did. I would have had all violent offenders arrested (of course, to get them prosecuted, we would have had to get rid of our far left foolish DA as well).

My opinion of the severity of the capitol violence and Trump’s connection to it is definitely less extreme than yours, but I’m very concerned about what happened. I think if you really care about the big picture of our well-being, and I think you do, you should show significantly more concern than is expressed in your posts.

1. The amount of concern I write about specific to any particular subject is mine to choose …..and yours to judge if you wish. Mostly irrelevant to me.

2. The Capitol Insurrection attempt was a historical violent event that challenged the integrity of our democratic continuum .

So post all you want about urban violence. As stated, I don’t connect the two as excuse for either .

[scook]

I’m not suggesting any excuse, one for the other - it just seems to me that the rampant domestic terrorism and lawlessness is a very serious threat. There was zero possibility of the capitol violence stopping the transition of power - the most it could have done is delay it a little. No excuse, it was reprehensible, but it’s importance is, I think overestimated. The ongoing anarchist rioting is changing the country in ways that are going to be difficult to recover from.

Maybe I’m wrong, but you seem to be pretty dismissive of something that needs the urgent attention of ALL of us.

[bgreene]

I’m not suggesting any excuse, one for the other - it just seems to me that the rampant domestic terrorism and lawlessness is a very serious threat. There was zero possibility of the capitol violence stopping the transition of power - the most it could have done is delay it a little. No excuse, it was reprehensible, but it’s importance is, I think overestimated. The ongoing anarchist rioting is changing the country in ways that are going to be difficult to recover from.

Maybe I’m wrong, but you seem to be pretty dismissive of something that needs the urgent attention of ALL of us.

So start your own thread and write about it.
Are you just stubborn or you can’t understand .

You write what you want —- I’ll write what I want .
Stop begging me to write about what you want.

[Destroyer]

So start your own thread and write about it.
Are you just stubborn or you can’t understand .

You write what you want —- I’ll write what I want .
Stop begging me to write about what you want.
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And "that" dear readers, is exactly the dismissive sort of opinion that Scook was referring to. The "I don't really care what you think, my opinion is all that matters" attitude, followed by a snarky comment at the end, aimed at the person rather than the subject.

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[scook]

Exactly. I think you’d be hard pressed to find me doing any begging of any kind. It’s remarkable that you purport to be a concerned patriot, while ducking and ignoring discussion of the most important problems facing the country.

It seems to be more important to you to be “right” than to engage in real discussion. You talk about conspiracy theories, but your flags on buildings, silencing the opposition and establishing a dictatorship is a conspiracy theory to match the craziest of them. If President Trump was so powerful, how, when he WAS president was he constantly under attack by flagrant liars and constantly badgered by the very liberal press he’s supposed to be able to suppress, lying about him, and imputing ludicrous meanings to honest, reasonable statements he made?

I’ve read pretty much all of your posts and while I agree with some of your conclusions/opinions, your citing of, for the most part, heavily biased to flagrantly dishonest “news” sources and then drawing wildly extreme conclusions (opinions) has diminished your credibility to near zero.

You are very confident in your opinions, but much less competent in forming them. I had hoped to generate some thoughtful, respectful discussion but that doesn’t seem possible when the least disagreement with you generates snarky, off subject, unresponsive, disrespectful responses.

[bgreene]

Exactly. I think you’d be hard pressed to find me doing any begging of any kind. It’s remarkable that you purport to be a concerned patriot, while ducking and ignoring discussion of the most important problems facing the country.

It seems to be more important to you to be “right” than to engage in real discussion. You talk about conspiracy theories, but your flags on buildings, silencing the opposition and establishing a dictatorship is a conspiracy theory to match the craziest of them. If President Trump was so powerful, how, when he WAS president was he constantly under attack by flagrant liars and constantly badgered by the very liberal press he’s supposed to be able to suppress, lying about him, and imputing ludicrous meanings to honest, reasonable statements he made?

I’ve read pretty much all of your posts and while I agree with some of your conclusions/opinions, your citing of, for the most part, heavily biased to flagrantly dishonest “news” sources and then drawing wildly extreme conclusions (opinions) has diminished your credibility to near zero.

You are very confident in your opinions, but much less competent in forming them. I had hoped to generate some thoughtful, respectful discussion but that doesn’t seem possible when the least disagreement with you generates snarky, off subject, unresponsive, disrespectful responses.

“ heavily biased to flagrantly dishonest news sources “ you say.
Well then since I’ve posted news from nearly all of our major news sources it gets down to
accepting or denying FACTS.

You want to write about urban violence — have at it.
I don’t have to write about anything because you demand it .
I’ve answered you 3-4 times now but you keep making your demand.
Sorry sir - I don’t take your orders

[scook]

No orders involved - again, your response is not responsive and imputes motives and demands that aren’t there. I’m just observing that for a concerned patriot, purporting to be addressing the top, pressing issues, you seem comfortable ignoring what are clearly some of the most important ones.

[bgreene]

No orders involved - again, your response is not responsive and imputes motives and demands that aren’t there. I’m just observing that for a concerned patriot, purporting to be addressing the top, pressing issues, you seem comfortable ignoring what are clearly some of the most important ones.

What I “seem to be ignoring” in your opinion is fine with me.
I write on the topics of my choosing and suggest you do likewise.
Difference between you and me here is I don’t monitor what topics you write about .

If you had asked me - what I think of the escalation in urban violent and destructive demonstrations - my answer is its very wrong and the extreme left is partly responsible for not speaking up.

I do NOT however excuse those involved in the Capitol Insurrection attack based on any other events. It stands for what it was .