"And just like that"

[Destroyer]

California last week passed an order allowing the government to take over hotels, motels and private buildings to shelter people infected with the Covid-19 virus. "And just like that" we lost our 3rd amendment rights.
"No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in manner to be prescribed by law".(The courts have held that seizing another person property either temporarily or permanently without due compensation is a violation of the 3rd amendment).

New Jersey and several other states have made it illegal to sell guns and ammo while the shelter in place order is in effect. (Selling liquor and drugs is ok, that's "essential", but selling guns so people can protect themselves from looters isn't). "and just like that" we lost our 2nd amendment rights.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Several states have passed or are in the process of passing "shelter in place" laws... (Can you say Martial law)? "and just like that" we lost our 1st amendment rights.
(Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances).

So our 1st, 2nd and 3rd amendment rights are gone, in order to "protect" us. I wonder how long it will be before we lose the others? Yes, I'm sure that after the virus pandemic dies down we'll have those rights restored, but I'm just posting this to show you how fragile those rights are and how easily we can lose them... all under the guise of protecting us. (Nothing could be further from the truth). It's all about controlling us. Think about it, next time you hear someone talking about how good Socialism or Communism is.... :head:

[SkunkBoat]

not for nothin' but you sound like a drama queen right now....

[Destroyer]

not for nothin' but you sound like a drama queen right now....

No offense taken Skunk. Actually, I'd rather sound like a drama queen than sound like an Ostrich, keeping my head buried in the sand, or even worst, wind up like a chicken ... not saying anything until it's head is cut off.

What I posted is fact, easily checked by even the smallest of reviews. Have you tried to get a gun permit since the shelter in place order went into effect?

(Several other states have also tried to do the same thing, including our neighbor, Pennsylvania). Their order lasted for 48 hours until they were sued and they rescinded it. NJ has two lawsuits already and right now it's tied up in courts.

The fact is our rights, as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, are being taken away from us under the guise of "protecting" us. It's the exact same ploy that dictators have used for decades (if not century's) to gain control over us. If you're happy with that, it's all well and good. As for me, I'm not happy with it and I prefer to speak up about it.

After 9/11 they passed the Patriots Act that allowed them to spy on Americans. (They are "protecting us) Tens of thousands of cameras are everywhere, and now they are trying to get them all tied together into a National data bank. (Can you say "Big Brother")? New driver licenses are coming out ( Starting October 1, 2020, you must have a REAL ID compliant driver license/ID to fly within the U.S., unless you use a U.S. passport or another federally approved form of identification). This is a National Registration program. Sounds like Nazi Germany (papers please... let me see your papers)
Hell, half the Democrat party wants to turn us into a Socialized Country, even though Socialism has NEVER worked... not even once, and has usually led to Communism or some form of a dictatorship. Since the 60's the left has been brainwashing and indoctrinating our children. It started in the colleges, (90% of College professors are either far left or avowed Communists) worked it's way into high school and is now in grade schools. I could cite you several other examples, but you get the idea. So if I sound like a Drama Queen, or Chicken Little, or whatever moniker you want to hang on me, it's all good.

I'm old, I'll probably be dead long before we completely lose all our freedoms. But tell me, what are you going to tell your children or your grandchildren, when they ask you why you kept quiet and didn't speak up as your (and their) freedoms were taken away? :head:

[Pipe_Dream]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

~ Benjamin Franklin



I'll just leave that here.

~ Pipe Dream

[SkunkBoat]

I don't want to get into a long dissertation on the evils of Socialism nor Fascism...in the end they are the same.

What I do know is that the first words in the Constitution are "WE the People"

The government is "WE", whether you agree with the current one entirely or not. The government IS America. Its not America without it.

Too many people are worried about THEM. They don't believe in WE the People. They don't really believe in America and all its complications and compromises.
They don't understand that everything you have is tied to everyone else.

This country will end when some armed minority of the people think the government is THEM and start using guns against their neighbors and law enforcement. Then people are forced to pick sides and you get Yugoslavia all over again. What will you do? You gonna round up "them" and make them disappear? Is that going to save America? Save your Freedom?

[oteps]

I cant believe there isn't a gov owned place they can shelter people? I have never been to California and never will.
Everytine you turn around they are taking something else away. Right now they are trying to pass a bill that I have to get a permit to buy ammo. I just got my oxy and accetalene tanks filled, no permit.
Yeah they shut down gun shops for a couple days. THey should sell bottled water like the beer distributers, they can stay open.

[phatdaddy]

Don t know about California, but i just wondering how many empty hotel, motel, condo rooms are sitting empty in Florida with 3 or 4 full rolls of toilet paper in them.

[SkunkBoat]

btw, CA "secured leases" on empty motels and other facilities.

They did not "TAKE" anything.

and btw, every State has control over the use of land in the state. You don't really own your land, you own the rights to use it in accordance with the State's authority. The state's authority comes from the people of the state..past, present and future. It has always been that way. It has to be that way.

What they can't do is quarter soldiers in your home...and even that amendment is a little squishy.

[Destroyer]

btw, CA "secured leases" on empty motels and other facilities.

They did not "TAKE" anything.

and btw, every State has control over the use of land in the state. You don't really own your land, you own the rights to use it in accordance with the State's authority. The state's authority comes from the people of the state..past, present and future. It has always been that way. It has to be that way.

What they can't do is quarter soldiers in your home...and even that amendment is a little squishy.

So if I don't own my land does that mean that I don't have to pay taxes on it? LOL

Of course I own my land. I am not it's leaser, I am it's owner. The ONLY right the state has is to take my land "for the common good" but ONLY after paying me it's just worth. Even then, the states right of eminent domain is not absolute. It can be challenged in the courts and if the courts rule in favor of the owner the state cannot take the land.

I agree that the state has the right to limit certain activities on the land if those activities would adversely impact other land owners. That's just common sense. For instance, if you live on a 100' x 150' plot of land and you have a neighbor that lives 250' away from you you cannot hunt game with a high powered rifle. Nor can you drill for oil or a host of other things. Those limits are to protect others, not because the state owns the land. The states do have the right to limit or set aside certain areas for certain uses. For instance a land owner cannot build a large factory in an area zoned for residential use since that could adversely effect neighbors values of their homes and could impact their quality of living.

I'm not sure what you mean by "secured" leases. Ca took the vacant hotels, motels, etc under the guise of a national emergency. They did not reach an agreement with the owners first. That "may" have happened later. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/california-executive-order-permits-commandeering-hotels
And yes, the 3rd amendment is and always has been squishy, mainly because it's never had to be used for quartering troops.

In all cases, my original post was and still is about showing everyone just how fast, under the guise of "protecting" us, they can lose some or all of their Constitutionally given rights. (And this, perhaps more than any other reason, is why we must never let our 2nd amendment rights be taken from us. IMHO) I don't think that makes me a drama queen. Personally,
I prefer the moniker of "Patriot". :head:

[SkunkBoat]

So if I don't own my land does that mean that I don't have to pay taxes on it? LOL



Try NOT paying taxes on it and you'll see whether you OWN it.

When I say you don't own it I mean you don't don't own the right to do whatever you want to it. Its not YOURS free and clear forever. The state holds conditions on it. It has to be that way because you are going to die and because you have "neighbors". In this democracy of ours, the State is the people of the state now and in the future.

[Destroyer]

Try NOT paying taxes on it and you'll see whether you OWN it.

When I say you don't own it I mean you don't don't own the right to do whatever you want to it. Its not YOURS free and clear forever. The state holds conditions on it. It has to be that way because you are going to die and because you have "neighbors". In this democracy of ours, the State is the people of the state now and in the future.

Totally agree. In fact, that's exactly what I said in my previous post. As for the taxes thing, I did put a LOL in there. It was meant as a joke.

[THEFERMANATOR]

In this democracy of ours, the State is the people of the state now and in the future.

Last I checked we don't live in a democracy, if that was the case it would be mob rule, whoever agrees with the masses gets there way. We live in a republic with democratically elected representatives. It's a HUGE difference.

I for one am getting tired of this "lockdown". It hasn't changed my life much because I live in self quarantine on a daily basis because of my health, but last I checked we had certain unalienable to rights, and I'm sure feeling like my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are being thrown out the window. If I choose to go fishing right now to feed my family, I could be fined and put in jail for 90 days. If I choose to go on a drive just to go, too friggen bad.

If people want to leave there northern home and come stay in there Florida home right now to get away from this virus, they cannot do it because our governor has put check points on the border to stop anybody from out of state. The masses may agree with this as being for the "greater good", but doesn't this trample all over somebody's right to life and pursuit of happiness?

I realize people want to be safe and contain this, but how does your rights trump my rights? We used to stand up for everybody's rights in this country, but since 9/11, people have allowed fear to rule there lives. I'm not saying somebody should be able to go out and purposefully harm others, but if somebody decides that they want to LIVE there life, they should be allowed to. I'm not going to list all the statistics I've found on this "pandemic", but your odds of dieing in a car crash are FAR higher than that of covid-19 from my research, but I have yet to see anybody willing to give up there cars.

I guess I look at things differently since my bad car accident and had the ER doctors tell me my family is here, and I should tell them goodbye because it will probably be my last chance too. But there comes a point where you have to stop living in fear, and live your life. I'm just tired of seeing people WILLINGLY give up there rights, DEMAND others cave to there will's, and do the same or else, all under the guise of safety.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

I'll get off my soapbox now.

[Destroyer]

Ferm, thank you for your post. In other words, that is exactly what I was trying to say and convey with my original post. You just said it a lot better than I did.

Our rights are fragile things, and little by little they have been and are being taken away from us. They have been removed, as I've said before, under the guise of "protecting" us Big Brother is protecting us from harm and in the process he's taking away tiny pieces of our liberty. Just a little bit each time. Salt water fishing licenses? ridiculous. Being put in jail for a mandatory 5 years in prison because a little metal box you owned was capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition?.. unthinkable. A farmer can't use his land because there is a pond on it so it's considered wetlands?... inconceivable. Can't smoke in stores and public places?... preposterous. These are just a few of the liberties that we have lost, all in the guise of "protecting" us. Our history is littered with hundreds more, most of them happening in the last 75 years. As long as we are willing to give up ANY of our freedoms just to be safer eventually we will be neither free or safe. And the enemy will be the very government that took our liberties away from us in the first place.