FLUKE.

[charlie_the_tuna]

a buddy just emailed me with new york regulations and i wonder if any new yorkers can confirm.

4 fish at 19.5 inches. season open all year.

comments?

[charlie_the_tuna]

a buddy just emailed me with new york regulations and i wonder if any new yorkers can confirm.

4 fish at 19.5 inches. season open all year.

comments?

[Sean]

that is the propesed limit, and most likely will stick.
19.5 is a pretty big Fluke, but the main thing is the limit of 4 fish.
This is going to kick the party boaters/charters right were it hurts.

[Sean]

that is the propesed limit, and most likely will stick.
19.5 is a pretty big Fluke, but the main thing is the limit of 4 fish.
This is going to kick the party boaters/charters right were it hurts.

[mpcalfa2]

According to the DEC those are the correct limits but nobody informed the magazine "The Fisherman" because they still have limits being 18"min/4 fish possession, open 5/6-9/12. This is as of the early April edition.

[mpcalfa2]

According to the DEC those are the correct limits but nobody informed the magazine "The Fisherman" because they still have limits being 18"min/4 fish possession, open 5/6-9/12. This is as of the early April edition.

[Sean]

Ya, most of the mags and web sites are still not updated, and I do not think any of the regs are set in stone yet, but i doubt they are going to change. here in RI we have 7 fish @ 19, season from 5/18 - 9/something I think.

[Sean]

Ya, most of the mags and web sites are still not updated, and I do not think any of the regs are set in stone yet, but i doubt they are going to change. here in RI we have 7 fish @ 19, season from 5/18 - 9/something I think.

[Sean]

This was released 4/24/2007

DEC ANNOUNCES REVISIONS TO 2007 RECREATIONAL
MARINE FISHING REGULATIONS
Changes, Effective Immediately, Necessary To Meet Federal Requirements for Fluke

The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) today announced changes in 2007 recreational fishing regulations for summer flounder, also known as fluke. The new emergency regulation, which is effective immediately, opens the season year-round and raises the size limit to 19.5 inches total length. This change is expected to achieve a federally-required reduction in the number of summer flounder harvested by recreational anglers in New York.

The emergency regulation increases the 2006 length regulation of 18 inches by 1.5 inches, to 19.5 inches, and removes the limited season dates of May 6 to September 12 thereby allowing fluke fishing all year long. The daily possession limit will remain at four fish per angler.

The emergency regulation was chosen from among several options available to DEC because it will be most effective in helping sustain the recreational fishing opportunities and positive economic impacts that fluke fishing provides, while also meeting federal requirements to protect the fishery. The changes reflect input received from anglers, party and charter boat associations, other stakeholder organizations, and the Marine Resources Advisory Council.
New York State participates in the cooperative management of migratory marine fisheries under the Interstate Fishery Management Program of the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC). Under that program, ASMFC adopts Interstate Fisheries Management Plans (FMPs) for individual species or groups of fish and determines if states have implemented provisions of FMPs in a timely manner. If ASMFC determines a state to be in non-compliance with an FMP, the Commission notifies the U.S. Secretary of Commerce. If the Secretary concurs in the non-compliance determination, the Secretary may promulgate and enforce a complete prohibition on all fishing for the species in the waters of the non-compliant state until the state comes into compliance with the FMP.

Under the FMPs for fluke, ASMFC assigns each state an annual harvest target or “quota.” The state’s harvest for the upcoming year is projected, assuming regulations remain the same and harvest patterns and rates remain the same as the previous year. If the projected harvest exceeds a state’s assigned quota, the state must, as an FMP compliance requirement, make its harvest regulations sufficiently more restrictive to prevent the state from exceeding its assigned quota. ASMFC reviews, and must approve, each state’s regulations as compliant with the FMP.

Without the regulatory change, New York’s projected fluke harvest for 2007 would exceed the state’s assigned quota by 49 percent. The regulatory changes in the emergency rule announced today are projected to achieve a harvest reduction of approximately 56 percent for fluke, keeping New York in compliance with the FMP. New York’s commercial quota has also been significantly reduced in 2007 to 619,123 pounds, down from 935,943 pounds of fluke in 2006.

For additional information about the regulations, contact DEC’s Marine Resources Division at 631-444-0435. Marine fishing regulations can be viewed on the DEC website at: http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/marine/finfish/swflaws.html

The Department is proposing to adopt the emergency rule as a permanent rule. Public comments on the proposed rulemaking may be sent to DEC for consideration by writing to: Fishing Regulations, DEC Marine Resources, 205 N Belle Mead Rd, Ste 1, E Setauket, NY 11733-3400; or by email at [email protected] . The public comment period on the proposed regulation ends on June 25, 2007.

[Sean]

This was released 4/24/2007

DEC ANNOUNCES REVISIONS TO 2007 RECREATIONAL
MARINE FISHING REGULATIONS
Changes, Effective Immediately, Necessary To Meet Federal Requirements for Fluke

The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) today announced changes in 2007 recreational fishing regulations for summer flounder, also known as fluke. The new emergency regulation, which is effective immediately, opens the season year-round and raises the size limit to 19.5 inches total length. This change is expected to achieve a federally-required reduction in the number of summer flounder harvested by recreational anglers in New York.

The emergency regulation increases the 2006 length regulation of 18 inches by 1.5 inches, to 19.5 inches, and removes the limited season dates of May 6 to September 12 thereby allowing fluke fishing all year long. The daily possession limit will remain at four fish per angler.

The emergency regulation was chosen from among several options available to DEC because it will be most effective in helping sustain the recreational fishing opportunities and positive economic impacts that fluke fishing provides, while also meeting federal requirements to protect the fishery. The changes reflect input received from anglers, party and charter boat associations, other stakeholder organizations, and the Marine Resources Advisory Council.
New York State participates in the cooperative management of migratory marine fisheries under the Interstate Fishery Management Program of the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC). Under that program, ASMFC adopts Interstate Fisheries Management Plans (FMPs) for individual species or groups of fish and determines if states have implemented provisions of FMPs in a timely manner. If ASMFC determines a state to be in non-compliance with an FMP, the Commission notifies the U.S. Secretary of Commerce. If the Secretary concurs in the non-compliance determination, the Secretary may promulgate and enforce a complete prohibition on all fishing for the species in the waters of the non-compliant state until the state comes into compliance with the FMP.

Under the FMPs for fluke, ASMFC assigns each state an annual harvest target or “quota.” The state’s harvest for the upcoming year is projected, assuming regulations remain the same and harvest patterns and rates remain the same as the previous year. If the projected harvest exceeds a state’s assigned quota, the state must, as an FMP compliance requirement, make its harvest regulations sufficiently more restrictive to prevent the state from exceeding its assigned quota. ASMFC reviews, and must approve, each state’s regulations as compliant with the FMP.

Without the regulatory change, New York’s projected fluke harvest for 2007 would exceed the state’s assigned quota by 49 percent. The regulatory changes in the emergency rule announced today are projected to achieve a harvest reduction of approximately 56 percent for fluke, keeping New York in compliance with the FMP. New York’s commercial quota has also been significantly reduced in 2007 to 619,123 pounds, down from 935,943 pounds of fluke in 2006.

For additional information about the regulations, contact DEC’s Marine Resources Division at 631-444-0435. Marine fishing regulations can be viewed on the DEC website at: http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/marine/finfish/swflaws.html

The Department is proposing to adopt the emergency rule as a permanent rule. Public comments on the proposed rulemaking may be sent to DEC for consideration by writing to: Fishing Regulations, DEC Marine Resources, 205 N Belle Mead Rd, Ste 1, E Setauket, NY 11733-3400; or by email at [email protected] . The public comment period on the proposed regulation ends on June 25, 2007.

[mpcalfa2]

Yeah I guess if it just came down yesterday it'll hit the mags soon. You're right about the charter boats. They're gonna get killed.

[mpcalfa2]

Yeah I guess if it just came down yesterday it'll hit the mags soon. You're right about the charter boats. They're gonna get killed.

[phester]

a buddy just emailed me with new york regulations and i wonder if any new yorkers can confirm.

4 fish at 19.5 inches. season open all year.

comments?
better than no fluke season.....which is a distinct possibility next year

[phester]

a buddy just emailed me with new york regulations and i wonder if any new yorkers can confirm.

4 fish at 19.5 inches. season open all year.

comments?
better than no fluke season.....which is a distinct possibility next year

[mpcalfa2]

Phester, where do you run out of?

[mpcalfa2]

Phester, where do you run out of?

[mpcalfa2]

Never mind. North shore L.I. ;)

[mpcalfa2]

Never mind. North shore L.I. ;)

[charlie_the_tuna]

phes, 19.5 is almost no season.
werent alot of 18's available to me last season.
main problem: all my big fish spots are to snotty to bring the boys to.
gonna be targeting searobins this year.

[charlie_the_tuna]

phes, 19.5 is almost no season.
werent alot of 18's available to me last season.
main problem: all my big fish spots are to snotty to bring the boys to.
gonna be targeting searobins this year.

[dragn3]

man, i know i'm fix'n to catch hell for this one fellas..................what's a fluke?

[dragn3]

man, i know i'm fix'n to catch hell for this one fellas..................what's a fluke?

[charlie_the_tuna]

a fluke is what you southerners call a flounder.

[charlie_the_tuna]

a fluke is what you southerners call a flounder.

[dragn3]

hey thanks charlie, thats what i thought but was'nt sure so i figured i would give you all the opportunity to give me heck about it and ask a stupid question.

[dragn3]

hey thanks charlie, thats what i thought but was'nt sure so i figured i would give you all the opportunity to give me heck about it and ask a stupid question.

[charlie_the_tuna]

y'know, my pops used to say "the only stupid question is the one a southerner asks".


he is a wise man.

[charlie_the_tuna]

y'know, my pops used to say "the only stupid question is the one a southerner asks".


he is a wise man.

[charlie_the_tuna]

ok jackasses. . . . . it was a joke.


lighten the phuk up.

[charlie_the_tuna]

ok jackasses. . . . . it was a joke.


lighten the phuk up.

[dragn3]

awwwwwwwwwwwwww.... ya had to go there huh? that's what i was lookn for!

[dragn3]

awwwwwwwwwwwwww.... ya had to go there huh? that's what i was lookn for!

[Sean]

The reports from the commercial guys out off of Montauk is that they are pulling some big fish :o, but you are right, you will need to travel and put your time in to find them.

[Sean]

The reports from the commercial guys out off of Montauk is that they are pulling some big fish :o, but you are right, you will need to travel and put your time in to find them.

[charlie_the_tuna]

the commercial guys will not only find the fish but they will decimate the stock as well. they are killing us with regulations and the big guy doesnt suffer.

[charlie_the_tuna]

the commercial guys will not only find the fish but they will decimate the stock as well. they are killing us with regulations and the big guy doesnt suffer.

[Sean]

I'm talking about the rod/reel comm guys, but you are right. The draggers need to actually lower there size limit or get rid of it all together and base there catch on total weight, this way there will be allot less dead undersized fluke floating around. But thats a whole new topic.
Good luck in NY, withthe way its going, RI (were I am from) will be right behind you. (we are @ 7 fish @ 19')

[Sean]

I'm talking about the rod/reel comm guys, but you are right. The draggers need to actually lower there size limit or get rid of it all together and base there catch on total weight, this way there will be allot less dead undersized fluke floating around. But thats a whole new topic.
Good luck in NY, withthe way its going, RI (were I am from) will be right behind you. (we are @ 7 fish @ 19')

[macojoe]

I don't live or fish in NY, But here in Ma a 19 1/2 fish is a biggie!!
Here the recerational have to get 17 1/2 and a bag of 7 fish. and I say why even go for them?

$3 for gas and a day of fishing and hope to get 17 1/2 fish let alone 7 of them!

The dragers are killing everything here!! State has allowed the dragers in the 3 mile limt and you are offten fishing right next to the dragers, and when you go to the fish house all the dragers have are HUGE JUMBOS!! what happened to all there small?? I will tell you they culled them out and throw them back DEAD!

Lots of talk the last few years of a Saltwater Lic. here in MA, I have already sent letters out, I will never buy one! What are they doing for the recreation guy? They can't stock the fish, they keep cutting access to the water, and now they don't even protect the inshore water from over fishing!
Recerational fisherman is what keeps the ecomony going!! not the draggers! We buy the boats, gas, rods, tackle, bait, ect ect ect...

This is why I have never gave up my Commercial Lic. I can get 14" fish 200 pounds a day, and that use to be easy!! Not so now a days!!

RANT OVER

[macojoe]

I don't live or fish in NY, But here in Ma a 19 1/2 fish is a biggie!!
Here the recerational have to get 17 1/2 and a bag of 7 fish. and I say why even go for them?

$3 for gas and a day of fishing and hope to get 17 1/2 fish let alone 7 of them!

The dragers are killing everything here!! State has allowed the dragers in the 3 mile limt and you are offten fishing right next to the dragers, and when you go to the fish house all the dragers have are HUGE JUMBOS!! what happened to all there small?? I will tell you they culled them out and throw them back DEAD!

Lots of talk the last few years of a Saltwater Lic. here in MA, I have already sent letters out, I will never buy one! What are they doing for the recreation guy? They can't stock the fish, they keep cutting access to the water, and now they don't even protect the inshore water from over fishing!
Recerational fisherman is what keeps the ecomony going!! not the draggers! We buy the boats, gas, rods, tackle, bait, ect ect ect...

This is why I have never gave up my Commercial Lic. I can get 14" fish 200 pounds a day, and that use to be easy!! Not so now a days!!

RANT OVER

[charlie_the_tuna]

i'll tell ya why go for 17.5.
last season our limit was 18 and 4 fish.
i didnt fish my limit once.
i cant tell you how many 17.5 fish i threw back. it would have been nice to bring home 5-8 pounds of fillets.
i have been fluke fishing since the late 60's.
we used to catch 5-8 pounders all day long.
now thats a trophy.
the problem with our coastal waters now is that any schmuck with 5 grand can buy a boat.
used to go out on a perfect summer sunday and there were maybe 10 boats out there.
now i only fish during the week because the entire ***ish fleet and the italian navy are all out on the weekend.
i fish thursday and friday and there are hundreds of "captains" out there who have not a clue what they are doing.
its almost impossible to enjoy boating anymore.

ok, now i'm done.

[charlie_the_tuna]

i'll tell ya why go for 17.5.
last season our limit was 18 and 4 fish.
i didnt fish my limit once.
i cant tell you how many 17.5 fish i threw back. it would have been nice to bring home 5-8 pounds of fillets.
i have been fluke fishing since the late 60's.
we used to catch 5-8 pounders all day long.
now thats a trophy.
the problem with our coastal waters now is that any schmuck with 5 grand can buy a boat.
used to go out on a perfect summer sunday and there were maybe 10 boats out there.
now i only fish during the week because the entire ***ish fleet and the italian navy are all out on the weekend.
i fish thursday and friday and there are hundreds of "captains" out there who have not a clue what they are doing.
its almost impossible to enjoy boating anymore.

ok, now i'm done.

[mpcalfa2]

I hear you Charlie. I clammed my way through college and would almost end up in a fistfight everytime I would go out on a Sat. It's just not worth it. Too many people who think it's just like driving a car and are clueless as to proper ramp and boating etiquette.

[mpcalfa2]

I hear you Charlie. I clammed my way through college and would almost end up in a fistfight everytime I would go out on a Sat. It's just not worth it. Too many people who think it's just like driving a car and are clueless as to proper ramp and boating etiquette.

[macojoe]

I have worked my work scheldue around so that I work weekends, I am off M, T, W. T Always a parking place with no waitting!!

[macojoe]

I have worked my work scheldue around so that I work weekends, I am off M, T, W. T Always a parking place with no waitting!!

[Stinky_Hooker]

Funny, flounder are min. 12" here, no bag limit. :-/

[Stinky_Hooker]

Funny, flounder are min. 12" here, no bag limit. :-/

[Sean]

NICE schedule MJ ;D Its like night and day compared to going out on the weekend. I try and be out of work by 3:30 durung the week so I still have a few hours to fish
Stinky, *We have "winter" flounder up hear (totaly diffrent fish), and I think our regs are pretty close to that 12' min, but not sure of the bag limit.

[Sean]

NICE schedule MJ ;D Its like night and day compared to going out on the weekend. I try and be out of work by 3:30 durung the week so I still have a few hours to fish
Stinky, *We have "winter" flounder up hear (totaly diffrent fish), and I think our regs are pretty close to that 12' min, but not sure of the bag limit.

[Stinky_Hooker]

Roger that cause a 24"er like Slot caught the other day around here would be the fish of a LIFETIME!!

[Stinky_Hooker]

Roger that cause a 24"er like Slot caught the other day around here would be the fish of a LIFETIME!!

[macojoe]

Well there are 3 flounders here

1. Black Backs, or Just winter flounder

North of Cape Cod
All Year 12 in 8 fish

South & East of Cape Cod
Apr 22 - May 21 12" *and *4 fish
Sep 23 - Oct 22 12 and 4 fish

2 Yellow Tail Flounder,
open all year, 13" no limt

3 Fluke (Summer Flounder)
June 10 - August 15 *17.5 in 5 fish

[macojoe]

Well there are 3 flounders here

1. Black Backs, or Just winter flounder

North of Cape Cod
All Year 12 in 8 fish

South & East of Cape Cod
Apr 22 - May 21 12" *and *4 fish
Sep 23 - Oct 22 12 and 4 fish

2 Yellow Tail Flounder,
open all year, 13" no limt

3 Fluke (Summer Flounder)
June 10 - August 15 *17.5 in 5 fish

[Sean]

Yeah, what he said ;D

[Sean]

Yeah, what he said ;D

[willy]

Yea so that it is clear, there is a diffrence in flounder and fluke. Flounder are in the deep water ocean drop offs all summer, we fish for flounder(winter flounder) until May 19th this year here. After that the inshore fishery is for fluke.
Flounder is what I believe the southern boys go after and it is what we call winter flounder and it is a right side fish. The summer version we get hear is called fluke and it is a left side fish that migrate in to shallower inshore locations during the summer months. Usually a much bigger fish especially later in the season.
At least that is my understanding ;)

[willy]

Yea so that it is clear, there is a diffrence in flounder and fluke. Flounder are in the deep water ocean drop offs all summer, we fish for flounder(winter flounder) until May 19th this year here. After that the inshore fishery is for fluke.
Flounder is what I believe the southern boys go after and it is what we call winter flounder and it is a right side fish. The summer version we get hear is called fluke and it is a left side fish that migrate in to shallower inshore locations during the summer months. Usually a much bigger fish especially later in the season.
At least that is my understanding ;)

[Airslot]

Did somebody say Flounder? ;) A summer flounder is also known as a Fluke, winters offshore and migrates inshore during the season. These fish tend to migrate straight inshore / offshore, and maybe slightly north as they grow.

Winter flounder are a differnt sub-species, are opposite eyed, and don't grow nearly as large as summer flounder. Winter flounder range as far south as VA (barely) but are most common from NJ north.

Southern Flounder are found from NC and south. They are found in the shallow coastal bays in the Carolina's and south. The Carolina's see some summer founder, but generally outside the surf line and not in the coastal bays. Southern Flounder are also found in the land of Stinky-Hooker.

That's my knowledge of flounder / fluke / winter and southern flounder. I don't know much of the yellowtail flounder, but will make it a point to learn.

[Airslot]

Did somebody say Flounder? ;) A summer flounder is also known as a Fluke, winters offshore and migrates inshore during the season. These fish tend to migrate straight inshore / offshore, and maybe slightly north as they grow.

Winter flounder are a differnt sub-species, are opposite eyed, and don't grow nearly as large as summer flounder. Winter flounder range as far south as VA (barely) but are most common from NJ north.

Southern Flounder are found from NC and south. They are found in the shallow coastal bays in the Carolina's and south. The Carolina's see some summer founder, but generally outside the surf line and not in the coastal bays. Southern Flounder are also found in the land of Stinky-Hooker.

That's my knowledge of flounder / fluke / winter and southern flounder. I don't know much of the yellowtail flounder, but will make it a point to learn.

[charlie_the_tuna]

i got news for ya.
i've never kept a short fish in my life. . . . . . . BUT. . . . .
it costs me at the very least, $65. bucks to take my family fishing for the afternoon.
i will take home short fish this year.
fuk'em.
this is bullsh!t.
nobodys going to catch keepers in the bay and my boys are still to young to go outside.
SO. . . . . . . . i'll be breaking the law this year.

anybody got a problem with that?

[charlie_the_tuna]

i got news for ya.
i've never kept a short fish in my life. . . . . . . BUT. . . . .
it costs me at the very least, $65. bucks to take my family fishing for the afternoon.
i will take home short fish this year.
fuk'em.
this is bullsh!t.
nobodys going to catch keepers in the bay and my boys are still to young to go outside.
SO. . . . . . . . i'll be breaking the law this year.

anybody got a problem with that?

[phester]

careful cct, I don't know what the fine is for keeping a short, but it's alot more than 65.00. It's just a giant sh!t sandwich and we all have to take a bite :-/

[phester]

careful cct, I don't know what the fine is for keeping a short, but it's alot more than 65.00. It's just a giant sh!t sandwich and we all have to take a bite :-/

[regidog]

Charlie,

I'm with ya. Just talking with my buddy about that this morning as we are catching a bunch of schoolie bass. i was thinking back at how much we spend to fish and how many we keep and it pisses me off. I gut hook a short its in my pal now on.

Let the regulators go after commercial guys and stay away from the common man. Commercial guys rape the sea and half of it spoils in the store.

[regidog]

Charlie,

I'm with ya. Just talking with my buddy about that this morning as we are catching a bunch of schoolie bass. i was thinking back at how much we spend to fish and how many we keep and it pisses me off. I gut hook a short its in my pal now on.

Let the regulators go after commercial guys and stay away from the common man. Commercial guys rape the sea and half of it spoils in the store.

[phester]

ctt, did you see this weeks fisherman? The cover story in particular? I have the issue out in the truck but I have yet to read it :-/

[phester]

ctt, did you see this weeks fisherman? The cover story in particular? I have the issue out in the truck but I have yet to read it :-/

[charlie_the_tuna]

not yet. i'll pick it up in penn station later today.

[charlie_the_tuna]

not yet. i'll pick it up in penn station later today.

[phester]

ridin the rails today are ya?.....I just did a quick read and the "management" intellect is just shy of ridiculous

[phester]

ridin the rails today are ya?.....I just did a quick read and the "management" intellect is just shy of ridiculous

[charlie_the_tuna]

poundin rail all day, and yeah, that statement sounds about right.

[charlie_the_tuna]

poundin rail all day, and yeah, that statement sounds about right.

[phester]

zipperheads :-/

[phester]

zipperheads :-/

[parishht]

Just a refresher on fluke and flounder:

fluke:

http://www.fishingnj.org/gifs/fluke.gif


Flounder:

http://graytonbeach.com/flounder.jpg


Here's a sketch I found on a scuba diving board
that shows the diffences between winter and summer flounder:

http://home.comcast.net/~msilvia7/Flounder.jpg

[parishht]

Just a refresher on fluke and flounder:

fluke:

http://www.fishingnj.org/gifs/fluke.gif


Flounder:

http://graytonbeach.com/flounder.jpg


Here's a sketch I found on a scuba diving board
that shows the diffences between winter and summer flounder:

http://home.comcast.net/~msilvia7/Flounder.jpg

[charlie_the_tuna]

hey phes i just read the article.
the only word i can think of to describe what i read is

UN****INGBELIEVEABLE!!!

these pieces of sh!t drag up 5,000 pound of fluke to keep 100 pounds.

you read that right.
five thousand pounds and their limit is one hundred pounds.

they then proceed to discard 4,900 pounds of dead fluke not to mention other species as bycatch.

i'm speechless. (not really but you know what i mean).

[charlie_the_tuna]

hey phes i just read the article.
the only word i can think of to describe what i read is

UN****INGBELIEVEABLE!!!

these pieces of sh!t drag up 5,000 pound of fluke to keep 100 pounds.

you read that right.
five thousand pounds and their limit is one hundred pounds.

they then proceed to discard 4,900 pounds of dead fluke not to mention other species as bycatch.

i'm speechless. (not really but you know what i mean).

[macojoe]

Winter Flounder have lips,
Summer Flounder have teeth,
you learn the difference fast if you no watch yourself!!

[macojoe]

Winter Flounder have lips,
Summer Flounder have teeth,
you learn the difference fast if you no watch yourself!!