Pimp my V20

[TheTinMan]

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/6/2/82347662.htm

[fishmaster63]

im sorry but that is one ugly boat. >:(

[reelapeelin]

im sorry but that is one ugly boat. >:(


There's enough UGLY there for two boats... ::)... ::)...

[Skools Out]

But Tin good deal on a bracket V20 that can always be repainted later.

[fishmaster63]

hey tin how much are you wanting to spend, and are you looking for a cc?

[TheTinMan]

hey tin how much are you wanting to spend, and are you looking for a cc?


Yes on the center console, price depends on the boat.

My needs are: Fly fishing friendly, handle 2-3' ers with no problem, able to sight fish the flats up North AND drift the rips, economical, easy to maintain and able to guide on.

Downsides of a V20:

A little more draft than I'd like, but may be doable

Won't be too economical unless It has, say a 140HP Suzie 4 stroke.

I could keep the Tin boat for the flats but would rather have a one boat does-it-all, which until now I thought was impossible.

I was on a 22' Panga the other day, not perfect, but close. I've done lots of research on these and it's all possitive for what I want out of a boat.

Downsides of the Panga:

Fit and finish is pretty lousy. All the hardware for hatches and things were coming loose...Nothing a little loctite couldn't fix. Looking down the hull sides it's quite wavy.

They are new so no deals on used ones yet.

Narrow beam and kind of ugly.

I can get a demo 22'er w/Johnson 90 carb 2-stroke, aluminum trailer for around $18k. Wish it was an E-tec but it's not.

Here's some pics, boat is exactly like this except a 90hp instead of the 115 shown.

It's more than I want to spend but for the reliabilty of a new boat and being guide ready, may be worth it. I would need electrnics though.....I'm so confused :o

Not crazy all about the color. But could live with it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/panga22_wide_cu1_l.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/panga22_wide1_l.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/panga22_console1_l.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/panga22_bow1_l.jpg

[Blue_Runner]

For that much $$ you need to be able to pick your color - MHO.

Tin, me thinks you need 2 boats. Get yourself a little Sundance skiff or carolina skiff. I say sundance cause they make a B20 with the semi-v on the front which is similar to the Carolina Skiff 198 semi-v but wider and nicer in my opinion. When I was looking not too long ago I could have bought one brand new with new trailer and no motor for $7500. Add a 115hp for around 1500 and you've now got 9k in a dang good boat.

After that's all done and you're all happy and stuff, find you a V20 for all your serious fishing (over ankle deep that is).

Should be able to get a real nice used V-20 or V-21 for the other 9k you have left over after not buying that Panga.

I wish I had two boats (can you tell?). ;D

[CapnBill]

Tin

ever see Jones Brothers Marine

http://jonesbrothersmarine.com/jbm_cape.htm

just a thought....

CBill

[TheTinMan]

CBill, yes about the Jones bros. Not crazy about the 14* deadrise, she's a bit of a rough rider but otherwise a great boat. Parker and Steigers also nice but same deadrise.

[TheTinMan]

For that much $$ you need to be able to pick your color - MHO.

Tin, me thinks you need 2 boats. Get yourself a little Sundance skiff or carolina skiff. I say sundance cause they make a B20 with the semi-v on the front which is similar to the Carolina Skiff 198 semi-v but wider and nicer in my opinion. When I was looking not too long ago I could have bought one brand new with new trailer and no motor for $7500. Add a 115hp for around 1500 and you've now got 9k in a dang good boat.


After that's all done and you're all happy and stuff, find you a V20 for all your serious fishing (over ankle deep that is).

Should be able to get a real nice used V-20 or V-21 for the other 9k you have left over after not buying that Panga.

I wish I had two boats (can you tell?). ;D

No thanks on the skiffs...rather stick with my tin boat. Have you ever been in a CS in anything but calm conditons? Definately not for me.

2 boats = 4 registrations to renew, 2 motors, trailers and hulls to maintain. I really want to go with 1 boat.

I do like the older 20' Seacrafts, they have a 16* deadrise and ride pretty nice and draw only 12".

[TheTinMan]

One of my favorites is the Mckee Craft 196 Marathon CC (Franco's boat), 18* deadrise. Just not in my budget right now.

[Skools Out]

Jones Brothers, Parker you guy's love our Carolina built boats huh lol Look where they build Jones Brothers Morehead City, NC just down the road from my beach place they make a really good looking 20 ft CC. But so does Parker.

[Skools Out]

Here's a link to the 20 ft JB Click on the PIC
JB Cape 20

http://www.jonesbrothersmarine.com/assets/capef14.jpg (http://www.jonesbrothersmarine.com/jbm_cape_2000cc.htm)

[TheTinMan]

Not just Carolina built boats.......those damn Yankees can build a mighty nice boat too :D

http://www.gboats.com/bow.html

[shicks007]

That thing is ABSOLUTLY %#$@* SWEEEEEEEEET!

Very nice, what kind of price tag comes with that ***ell?
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[reelapeelin]

I like the panga... 8)...

[TheTinMan]

It's growing on me too. Here's a video of it underway, just wish the conditons were a little worse.

http://media.putfile.com/Panga-22-underway

[fishmaster63]

yeah sure its a cute little boat if you are going to stay strictly inside... a 22 footer with a 6 foot beam? little narrow for my taste. even their 28 has a 7 and change foot beam.

[fishmaster63]

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/6/82148546.htm

here ya go.

[Blue_Runner]

Sounds very economical.

[TheTinMan]

yeah sure its a cute little boat if you are going to stay strictly inside... a 22 footer with a 6 foot beam? little narrow for my taste. even their 28 has a 7 and change foot beam.


Do some research...I think you may be surprised on how well the Panga handles a moderate sea.

If you read the ad on the one you posted you would see that guy had his panga 40 miles out in 6 footers....stay inside? nah.

[TheTinMan]

Sounds very economical.


Economical, draws little and handles the slop well. I'm gonna try and set up a demo ride soon.

[willy]

Tin got to tell ya, being a two boat owner for years I understand. But there is no boat that does it all well, everyone has to compromise something. Down here in Barnegat Bay, which is a huge and beautiful fishery they have a lot of what I would call flats, shallows that go for miles with all the assosisiated feeder streams and rivers. It's a fly fishermans dream and several guides targeting several species up to sharks there. The waters are tidal of course and two foot water becomes an island in some places quickly.My point being even an average shallow draft CC has problems in these areas and most of the guides are running the skinny water flats style boats and when working clients in the channels and inlets they are in a CC. Cause you don't want to be in a Panga with clients especially when the inlets do their daily wind/tide shifts.

That being said if you really want one boat to do both well you can't do it with a mono hull there is a boat that does both well, very well and that is a cat boat of one design or manufacture or another. When I was in Florida I saw these being used a lot by guides and we are seeing a bunch here in Jersey also. Shallow draft, very stable at sea, incredible ride and wide decks for fishing. There are enough out there where you can pick up used ones for a good price. If down the road when I hit the lottery and I want my one all around boat/new it will be a cat boat. I've been on two at sea and there reallyis nothing like them for ride and all around fishing performance JMHO

[willy]

And I think that Panga on boat trader, 40 miles off shore in 6 footers is one of the original Coral Reefers ::) spent to much time fitting in in Key West, lost himself.

[mirage2521]

Well I don't know because I have never been aboard one but I can tell you from persoanl observations that the Panga style hull is currently the hull of choice for Columbian drug smugglers. Theirs are longer 30-35ish but they use the for extremely long offshore all weather voyages. Right or wrong, it is their business to know what works.







Do some research...you're wrong.

If you read the ad on the one you posted you would see that guy had his panga 40 miles out in 6 footers....stay inside? nah.

[fishmaster63]

hey tin i got news for you... i have been 40 out in 6 plus and it wasnt in no skiff... was in a 42 egg harbor and it was extremely unpleasant. im not going 40 out in a skiff in 6 inchers no matter what the add says.

[fishmaster63]

tell ya something else... been to the hudson in a 20 wahoo center and i been 20, 30, 40, and 50 in me old searay and i been at least 20 or more in my buds 21 robalo more times than i care to remember... guy can say whatever he wants in his ad... its his ad. cute as it is, and if i was going to fish flats i would probably check one out too, but its still a skiff and i aint fightin that skiff out jones inlet or any other inlet for that matter. far as im concerned thats a skiff and i aint goin outside in a skiff. >:(

[TheTinMan]

Hey Mirage,

Just noticed your sig. I've got the same CG license as you, Master 1600GT and Second Mate unlimited. I did stop sailing a few years back though. Are you sailing on yours? I was in American Maritime Officers Union, you?

Fishmaster, what some people find "extremely uncomfortable" other people are having fun. If you don't like the Panga, fine. I'm not here to have an "E" arguement with anyone ;D

[fishmaster63]

"Do some research...you're wrong."


i dont know, that sounds a bit argumentative to me... must have meant it in a good way. my mistake. :-/

[TheTinMan]

"Do some research...you're wrong."


i dont know, that sounds a bit argumentative to me... must have meant it in a good way. my mistake. :-/


edited that post above, :)

[Skools Out]

LOL I'll tell you guys what personally I think it's an ugly boat and def not a V20. If you guys want to take it out 40 miles i'll sit at the dock and once you get out of sight i'll call the USCG and tell them i think my friends in trouble he was last saw leaving the dock in a ugly drug runner looking dingy boat LOL.

[kamikaze]

Hey Tinman:

Not to feed the fire :-) but I have been 30 miles out in a panga in 6 footers - IMO spend your money elsewhere.

You said you wanted a shallow draft, CC for flyfishing. I know it's a project but there are gorgeous when complete. If you poke around the site you'll find some real beauties in the photo galleries. The guys down south just love them for the flats

http://www.classicaquasport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=672

Kamikaze

[Blue_Runner]

Kamikaze, found this pic on that site - man what a wave!

http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/18big_wave_jupiter_fla.jpg

[fishmaster63]

guys you better not disagree with this jerk or he will insult and mock you... or maybe its just me. i guess i was wrong to have an opinion that differs from yours tinjerk. ok you are right. what a great boat that panga is. man i wish i had that panga. i would cross the atlantic in that panga. ugly little piece of crap that it is.

* * * * * * * * * *ass *hole!

[TheTinMan]

This is what I stated my needs are on page 1 of this thread:

My needs are: Fly fishing friendly, handle 2-3' ers with no problem, able to sight fish the flats up North AND drift the rips, economical, easy to maintain and able to guide on.

No where did I state I'd be taking this boat 30, 40, 50 or a 1,000,000 miles offshore in 6+ footers???

I'm a professional Mariner, know how to monitor weather, taken more lifesaving, firefighting, navigation classes etc...etc... and think I'm pretty smart.

Show me a NEW (not some project)complete package boat that fits the above requirements for around $18k and I'm all ears.

No need to tell me about ALL the boats that have been around for years, believe me, I know about them already.

Let's not turn this thread into a bashing match. Gees, this thread started about a pimped out V20??

[TheTinMan]

guys you better not disagree with this jerk or he will insult and mock you... or maybe its just me. i guess i was wrong to have an opinion that differs from yours tinjerk. ok you are right. what a great boat that panga is. man i wish i had that panga. i would cross the atlantic in that panga. ugly little piece of crap that it is.

*** hole!


hehe...exactly what I expected from someone of your caliber...too funny, thanks for the chuckle.

oh...it's just you :-*

[Skools Out]

Tin i know you don't want a project but if you find a restored Sea Ox 1900, 2000, or 2100 they are shallow draft and can go out a fairly good ways. I've been 11 miles out off NC coast in a 1900 Sea Ox. It did really well. So i found one for me to redo as a Skiff /slightly Offshore. The guy that bought Sea Ox's molds is in Bridgeton, North Carolina area Tyndall Marine makes a 17, 18, and 19 i think.

http://www.tyndallmarine.com/

http://www.tyndallmarine.com/sea4.JPG

[TheTinMan]

Thanks skools...I've always liked the SeaOx's. Fished offshore many times on a 25' walkaround.

I don't see anything bigger than a 17' on tyndall's site???

edit: they do mention a 19' flats boat but don't see it.

[Skools Out]

he makes them call him and see what all he has he is a builder of all sizes i like how he has a high bow and low transom. they handle rough water well.

[Blue_Runner]

Aren't some of the older Mako's pretty shallow draft? Very similar to that Aquasport 222, if not the same exact hull?

[shicks007]

Here ya go, it's not quite a 20 footer but it's a nice rig. From what I understand, it's very popular among fly-fishermen.

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/1/79243241.htm

[macojoe]

Now lets all get along!! And agree to disagree!! No need a bunch of name calling!! You can do that on another site! We are all friends here and lets stay that way!!

[bigshrimpin]

Tin - Look into a 20ft Seacraft CC. There are several used 20's in that price range with newer four storkes.

[mirage2521]

LOL I'll tell you guys what personally I think it's an ugly boat and def not a V20. If you guys want to take it out 40 miles i'll sit at the dock and once you get out of sight i'll call the USCG and tell them i think my friends in trouble he was last saw leaving the dock in a ugly drug runner looking dingy boat LOL.

LMAO

[chumbucket]

I know you're not crazy about the 14* deadrise, but I've been on one of these powered by a F115 Yammi. Not a rough ride considering the deadrise and very economical. Lots of room. Flyfishing friendly. Depending on power options, might be just a tad more than the $18k though. I think from $20-25k? ??? Not sure.


http://www.hydrasports.com/Boats/Boats_Detail.asp?cid=2&bid=99&sn=2

[Stinky_Hooker]

I swear if I have to pull this car over!!!!! ::) ;D

[Skools Out]

Hey Tin this would be the perfect boat for you and it has little draft, deck drain, floation and a new2004 4 stroke Suzuki and New 2004 Five Starr Trailer 20' Sea Ox in NY

Click Here to see the Sea Ox
http://images.traderonline.com/img/6/dealer/3781218/81153177_2.jpg (http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/7/81153177.htm)

[Skools Out]

Or Click Here to see a CC it is a nice one 23'
http://images.traderonline.com/img/6/dealer/750052/75447397_1.jpg
(http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/9/7/75447397.htm)

[TheTinMan]

Yup, seen that one already :)

[willy]

I'm surprised no comment about the Cat Boats from you Tin, have you checked them out

[Franco]

I HAD AN OLD SEAOX 20' CC - RODE WET AND HARD - THATS GOOD IF YOUR RIDING A SUPER MODEL - MY MCKEE IS SOFTER - AND NOT AS WET

[TheTinMan]

I'm surprised no comment about the Cat Boats from you Tin, have you checked them out


Yea willy, the cat hulls do fill my requirements. I have a friend in FL with a 19' er and got kind of a bad taste from his ride. His boat actually lists to the opposite side when making a turn! Took some getting used to. Is that the norm? I don't think so??? His is a Shoal Cat. They're kinda pricey too.

I've heard good things about the Twin Vee 20' Outrageous. When you move up to the 22' it uses twin o/b's. I could probably get a 6 or so year old 20'er with a 2 stroke for the same as the new Panga. I havn't ruled them out yet.

I talked to a guy today about a 21' Parker. Yes it has a 14* deadrise so it won't be the smoothest in a chop, but will be pretty stable driftin the rips. A lot of guides and FF around the Nor East swear by this hull. There is no raised platform fwd, which is nice, don't have to worry about losing a client in the drink. That's the reason I'd like to stay away from a bay boat. It's better to saltwater fly fish
in the boat rather than on the boat, I'm talking in the rougher stuff not necessarily the flats, They are definately pricey and it would be an older hull with a 2 stroke for now.

I also talked today with a semi local Marina that has a 70's vintage Sea Craft 20, hull only for 2g's, says it only needs cosmetics, but doubt that! But if it WAS solid I could put on a new 4 stroke Johnnie/Suzie and a new trailer and be in my price range. I may look at that one tomorrow.


edit: I guess leaning to the opposite you are turning is the norm for cat hulls. Just found this:

Banking ("Leaning" for some)
The lateral attitude of a vessel, applicable to moving vehicles as well. V-hull boats, bicycles, and motorcycles bank into a turn. Powered catamarans on the other hand, are more similar to cars. They tend to bank out of the turn, and it takes a little getting used to! If you think of your cat as riding a bus standing up, it's the same idea.

[TheTinMan]

I HAD AN OLD SEAOX 20' CC - RODE WET AND HARD - THATS GOOD IF YOUR RIDING A SUPER MODEL - MY MCKEE IS SOFTER - AND NOT AS WET



You have the layout I'm looking for! The whole deck is level, right? But you can get up on the fore deck in the calmer seas, flush mount cleats and pop up bow light too. 18* deadrise to boot! I want your boat!

Here you go!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/196.jpg

[willy]

The Twin Vee is one of the ones I was on, they do handle with a different feel Tin, sort of flatter thru the turns and from what I understand that depends on whether single or twin engine also. It wasn't as exagerated as that hull you described but I did feel it and got very comfortable with it quick. I'll tell what else I felt, or rather didn't feel, no slamming thru chop no hard bounce in bigger stuff and we drifted arcoss a sand bar just inches deep. And drier than I thought it could be. Only problem I saw was trailering, it has to be a special style but other than that gets my vote as the only really do everything well hull.

[TheTinMan]

Willy, I agree about the ride. Everyone I read about that has a cat hull swears they will never go back to a monohull again!

I'd love to get the 22'er with twins but big bucks for me right now.

[TheTinMan]

Hmmmm...lookie what I found! It's not the Outrageous hull, it's the Bay model w/90 Honda.

http://www.boatshoppermagazine.com//viewfull.asp?ID=1358761&FromSearch=Yes

[TheTinMan]

Hey Tin this would be the perfect boat for you and it has little draft, deck drain, floation and a new2004 4 stroke Suzuki and New 2004 Five Starr Trailer 20' Sea Ox in NY

Click Here to see the Sea Ox
http://images.traderonline.com/img/6/dealer/3781218/81153177_2.jpg (http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/7/81153177.htm)




That boat is 2 miles down the road from me! I looked at it a few weeks ago, love the motor! But not into the dual console layout.

[Mulv80]

Hey Tin, I'm sure you already know, But if you check the links section of this site you'll find one for the classic Seacraft site. You may want to read some of the info there before going to look at that Seacraft

[TheTinMan]

Look what this guide is using...I like that!


http://capttomhughes.com/My_Boat/22_Foot_Twin_Vee_Power_Catamaran.htm

[TheTinMan]

Hey Tin, I'm sure you already know, But if you check the links section of this site you'll find one for the classic Seacraft site. You may want to read some of the info there before going to look at that Seacraft


Thanks for the tip, Mulv. I'm at that site daily too. I've done my research on those. :) I know almost all the older hulls need attention, IE: transoms, soft floors, poor deck drainage, 20" transoms. But they are such great hull!

[willy]

Tin that 22 footer is the one I was on for about 30 minute ride in Barnegat Bay. Superb. I love that winged enclosure for the CC's. I know some of the others like world cat are very pricey but I've seen a lot of good used ones, that 20 footer with a single 90 honda will fly fully loaded and SiiiiiiiiiiP gas. I just have a feeling that I had to say it too you, with the parameters you listed I think it's the only way to go. At least keep it in mind and I won't have to worry about you 40 miles off shore in a Panga ;D

[Franco]

Thanks for the compliment Tin, I really love my new boat. I shopped from Cocoa Beach to Stuart, I looked at everything and for the money I spent I'm tickled. And she runs her *** off too. I've been a shade over 50 on the GPS. Only changes I'm gonna make are swapping the seats for a leaning post and maybe a T-top - I like idea of a second cooler and storage under the cushion.
I;m not sure about the t-top - when Willy came down and fished with me, 3 of us could fish and cast from anywhere in the boat - not sure I wanna give that up. If I didn't have the console space I have, I would have wanted it to mount the electronics. But everything fits neatly. I use a handheld VHF for 2 reasons - I stay pretty much close to the beach or in the river so range is not an issue - and I didn't want to maout a big antenna on the console. If I put a t-top on the boat that wouldn't be an issue. But thats one expensive ant. mount. Hey Tin, I'm about 20 minutes away from the Vee Twin factory, they are on Hwy US 1 just south of me - here is a pic of the console on my McKee Craft
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/Flafranco/6f39a9d0.jpg
and the forward deck and storage area
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/Flafranco/258292fe.jpg
Transom shot
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/Flafranco/55abc95b.jpg

[TheTinMan]

Franco, very nice! Congratz! As much as I like them, I too would not want the t-top for casting reasons. Your console is perfect, love the flush mounted electronics. Ever think of installing trim tabs? Those Lenco Troll n' Tabs are supposed to be awesome but cost a fortune.

I've heard nothing but good about the Mckee crafts. A local guide out this way just got the 24' Freedom for offshore flyfishing and uses a 17' Mako on the flats.

You've got some great fishing down your way. Several years ago I caught a 35" Snook off the North Jetty at Sebastian inlet mid day on light tackle...1" too big! Do you know if a guy named Tom still runs the bait shop there? I hear they spent a lot of money on that jetty but have not seen it since.

[Franco]

Hey Tin, come on down and fish some time, always room in my boat!!! Tom still works at the tackle shop. I don't know him well, but he is good friends with my brother. I have a set of Volvo QL series trim tabs, but can use them - they are a unique setup - electric - and I cant access space to run the wiring harness due to the hull being foam filled. Those lencos are interesting but cost a ton, you'd have to give up one Norton for a set. I really haven't been in a situation where tabs would have been that much of a help. Only if someone is moving from side to side in the boat, then I just tell them to sit their *** down somewhere. It comes out of the hole pretty well and planes very quickly. I'm gonna put the Volvo tabs on ebay if you know anyone interested.

[TheTinMan]

Hey Franco, I may take you up on the offer. I was thinking of heading down for bike week, although I'm bikeless as of now :( I've got a buddy in New Smyrna who I was talking to yesterday who is trying to get me down too who also has a boat. Maybe I'll wait a little longer, like when the Rays are cruising up the coast, love that cobia fishing! Snook, Reds and Specs not too bad either!

I'll have to see how work is going but think it will be doable. I'm trying to coincide this with buying a boat down there if I can't find what I want up here for the price I want. How is the fishing in March around you? I think it's a little early for Rays north of you but maybe not around Sebastian's. I'll have to do some research.

[Franco]

probably the worse time to fish here is july and august - typically too hot - but it has more opprutunities than most places. What are you looking for in a boat, *have a buddy that has a V20 cc with a 200 merc on the back, low hours and I think you could get a good deal on it


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/Flafranco/100_01162.jpg

[phester]

Well I don't know because I have never been aboard one but I can tell you from persoanl observations that the Panga style hull is currently the hull of choice for Columbian drug smugglers. Theirs are longer 30-35ish but they use the for extremely long offshore all weather voyages. *Right or wrong, it is their business to know what works. *
to further bolster the seaworthiness debate of the Panga, see Real Pirates in the general section,Nov. 8th, page 6. There were pictures but they are gone now. Those pirate boats were defenitly Pangas. What a great endorsement....pirates and drug smugglers, you gonna argue with them?

[mirage2521]

Arrrrrrgggggghhhhhh!

[bigshrimpin]

Panga's traditionally have nearly no deadrise (flat bottom) at the transom. This is by design so they can plane with little HP and can be towed/pushed up and down the beach by truck (no trailer).

Don't confuse pangas with long narrow cigarette style deepv-hull's with a 24 degree deadrise at the transom. They are not even close to the same boat. Offshore racing style boats can handle the nasty offshore conditions at speeds where pangas will fall apart.

[on_the_fly]

I'd tow that boat up to NC and sell it!!

Carolina boats ARE the way to go...but remember some of the good old boys in Wanchese run Wellcraft v-20's out to the blue water for tuna! I have heard some of the boat builders have taken measurments off the wellcraft v-20 hull and modified it for the biggerboats.

[mirage2521]

even if it were not true, I like the way it sounds therefore, I reject your reality and substitute this one

I'd tow that boat up to NC and sell it!!

Carolina boats ARE the way to go...but remember some of the good old boys in Wanchese run Wellcraft v-20's out to the blue water for tuna! I have heard some of the boat builders have taken measurments off the wellcraft v-20 hull and modified it for the biggerboats.

[TheTinMan]

Franco, one of things that I don't like on the 80's+ V20 cc's is the upper fore deck. I like the older style much better, much more room to stand on and sight cast and it doesn't have the funky raised lip, which I think is ugly but probably serves a purpose. The only problem is I really don't feel like gettting a 30+ year old un-restored boat. See the difference. I like the lines of the older boat more.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/73v20.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Mnutz/81v20.jpg

[kamikaze]

Tinman:

Let's recap

You said earlier you wanted a complete package for around 18K. You also said you like the older CC vice the newer ones. Well, I have your answer! Buy my 74 CC for 18K (and yes - I'll even through in the electronics and trailer. I'm just that kind of guy - want to make sure you get the complete package and all ;D) and I'll buy Francos buddies CC for 4 K and bank the rest. :-)



Kamikaze

[Franco]

Hey Tin,
I see what you mean - the older one is more like a bad-*** flats boat with lotsa open deck space. Real clean especially without that lip all the way around. I didn't realize the difference in the front part of the deck being raised a little more. That is a great design

[phester]

KK, you'll have to buy a trailer ,then bank the rest

[willy]

They both look sweet to me, I like the lines and flotation of the later years, been on the 80's deck, would have no problem fly fishing from one.