Larger boat discussion

[randlemanboater]

I value all of you gents opinions on boat matters, I am beginning to look for a larger boat for my future use (to be purchased in the next couple years) and would like to hear your ideas on what to look for, here are my general ideas:

I like the idea of a center console boat, especially the ones that have a one level floor (like a Contender for example). The main thing I didn't like about the Grady-White Sailfish I had BC (before children) was that half the boat was cabin and wasted fishing space.

I want a boat big enough to fish comfortable offshore with 3 or 4 people fishing (the V-20 is great for 2, ok for 3) but not burn 200 gallons of gas in a day. It also has to trailer well for Keys trips.

I know I cant afford anything new, but would like the boat to be 1994 or newer with modern power (you know I like 4 strokes), I am leaning toward a single outboard because with twins all costs seem to double. Ideally I would like to find a well cared for boat with original power and repower.

So boats on my radar so far are:

Contender 23 (mid 90's to early 2000's)
Contender 25 (pre built in bracket, not opposed to the euro transom, they just get too pricey)
1995 and up (no wood) Proline 240 Sport(or one of its other designations: 23 Sport, 25 Sport...the one with a bracket not the euro transom)
Pro line 23 sport (the Donzi hulled euro transom)
Grady White center console (like the 247)
Parker 2300 (hard to find)
Sea Pro 220
Sea Craft 23 (also hard to find)

So what do yall know about these and what other ones should I look at?

I am not 100% set on CC, I have always liked the GW 225-T Dually.

Thanks in advance.

[spareparts]

Sea Craft 23 is my personal first choice

Contender, Sea Vee, Albermarle, White Water, Formula etc are all basically the same hull, the longer you go, the better it gets. Gradys and Whalers are over priced. Scouts look good, but are way too much money and don't ride that good. Pro Lines are good boats, but they aren't in the same league as the previous ones(they are priced accordingly, so you may get much bigger for the $)

I hate to say this, its not my favorite, or classic, but look hard at the Sea Hunts and Key West. The odds of finding one of these that came with a four stroke is much higher than finding an older boat that was repowered (and valued) with a newer engine. Look at the larger McKee's also(not the traditional foamed filled tri hulls). They are nothing like the smaller boats, they are out of business now, but the bigger boats were pretty nice, and extremely over built. We had a 23 TE parked beside my friends 25 Sea Vee, the McKee was much bigger.

[bradford]

I agree about the Seacraft 23. Also you can find deals on older hulls that have been recently restored and add new power for a pretty good price sometimes if you would go pre 94. Contenders are nice, but I think they are sometimes like Whalers and your paying for the decal on the side sometimes. I like the older Prolines, if I was gonna run a Parker it would be for the pilot house. I also like the Sea Hunts, probably one of the better looking mass produced hulls made these days in my opinion. Again, find a sweet restored hull and hang new power and you'll come out ahead I think. I'll post up some I find on craigslist, with and without power.

[randlemanboater]

I am not set on 94 or newer, just trying to keep up my trend of 10 years newer each boat...'74 Starcraft, '84 V-20, '94 ????, but the year doesn't matter as long as its a good boat that fits my needs (wants).

I saw a couple real sweet looking Contender 23's that had been recently painted, one even had a 2010 ETEC on it, but they were at the top of my price range.

What do yall know about an Aquasport 225 or 245 Osprey?

There was a guy in BPK a couple weeks ago with an inboard diesel Seacraft that looked like a show boat...it was awesome, but I could not use a straight inboard with the ramp and docks I use at the coast.

[randlemanboater]

Even with its smelly 2 smoke motor, I really like this one.

http://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/boa/4555505478.html

[THEFERMANATOR]

DUSKY 233 if you want a bigger V-20 hull. DUSKY took the classic V-20 hull, and made it even bigger in there 233. Not the fastest of hulls, but it has the big bow flare, moderate deadrise, and good sea keeping abilities.

[macojoe]

23 is the best size to be trailered and large! Up here I know of 3 people with Seacraft and love them! two havw had contender and got rid of for the Seacraf.

[spareparts]

That Contender is a good hull, I'll keep my opinions about teh motor to myself. That hull will handle rough water better than the V, but you'd be surprised as how little room it has inside compared to teh V. As far as that goes, teh 23 Sea Craft center console is pretty small as well, especially when you compare it to a 23 Sea Craft Scepter/Tsunami. Best thing for you to do is go to a redneck boat show, otherwise known as cruising the marinas and the dry stacks, look at as many boats as you can. Get a feel of the size and amenities. If you come down this way, I'll show you around.

[phatdaddy]

ditto on the dusky. 23 with a dusky drive (bracket) is a great hull and still trailerable. i personally like ***8224;he ones with a small cuddy up front. it's just large enough to stow some gear that you want to stay dry.

[randlemanboater]

I like that Dusky too...not many around here to go look at though.

The lack of room in the rear of a CC is a concern, thats why I like the looks of the Proline 240 and the GW CC's, they have the console mounted more forward.

The Proline 23 sport around 2001-2003 looks good too, its a 25' Donzi hull called a 23 for the old SKA 23' and under class.

I am with you on the ETEC Spare, but it NADA's for like $13K used so I could sell it and get a new 4 stroke to replace it...but I wont do anything until winter when people need Christmas money.

All the Seacrafts I am finding are either basket cases or rebuilt and crazy priced.

[spareparts]

I ran across a Donzi cabin boat a while back(not a walk around, it was an I/O) that was for sale, i tried to talk Ridge Runner into buying it. It was a beast of an hull. Seems like it was a cross over from the hydra sports when OMC owned them boat. Looked to be one heck of a boat. Center consoles bring far more money on average than cuddys, don't ask me why. Centers use up a lot of space in the boat, unless you plan on fishing off the bow, I'd rather have a cuddy and the extra room. Speaking of Hydra sports, thats anoterh choice to look at, I know some one down here that has a cuddy hyrda sport fixer upper that can be bought right. I also forgot, look hard at Pursuits/Tierra/Slick Crafts they made some awesome boats and have glass stringers(no rot to worry about)

[randlemanboater]

I am trying to only look at boats that have limited wood in the hulls.

What motor is on this boat?

http://greenville.craigslist.org/boa/4573330866.html

[randlemanboater]

Opinions on this motor?

http://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/4566666572.html

[spareparts]

good motor, Proline used to use a lot of wood in their boats, not sure on that year, but 80's thru early 90's had plenty of wood

[RidgeRunner]

Sailfish, or Regulator. I really want the 23 Sailfish and twin 200's. Hull sides in Orange. 9' beam and VDR hull that the Seacraft bunch creams their pants over.. They are a big freakin hull. Not sure of the quality, but I likes the looks of the hull.

[randlemanboater]

good motor, Proline used to use a lot of wood in their boats, not sure on that year, but 80's thru early 90's had plenty of wood


1995 is when they went woodless according to the internet.

[spareparts]

Forgot about the sail Fish as well. The early Sailfish were direct copies of SeaCrafts, they got the right idea and made a larger beam version of the hull while seacraft missed the boat and still made the traditional narrow beam

[THEFERMANATOR]

I am trying to only look at boats that have limited wood in the hulls.

What motor is on this boat?

http://greenville.craigslist.org/boa/4573330866.html

That's a late Fichte aka 1st gen brp built engine. Not bad engines and got the best economy of any engine built IMO. Still wouldn't have one.

Opinions on this motor?

http://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/4566666572.html

Great engine, just a bit thirsty.

1995 is when they went woodless according to the internet.

They started in 94 with the fist technology which was the wordless design.

[bradford]

Randleman, I don't know what you're looking to spend, or what they cost for that matter, but Dusky sells factory direct and will custom build your boat with the options you want, and nothing you don't want. You can even change the lay up schedule. Probably will cost more, but you would get exactly what you want.

http://www.dusky.com/

[bradford]

I keep seeing that blue contender on craigslist. With the euro transom and the big console in the middle of the deck I think you'll find your V20 has a lot more room for fishing. Ever thought about a Wellcraft 248 Offshore?

[randlemanboater]

Randleman, I don't know what you're looking to spend, or what they cost for that matter, but Dusky sells factory direct and will custom build your boat with the options you want, and nothing you don't want. You can even change the lay up schedule. Probably will cost more, but you would get exactly what you want.

http://www.dusky.com/


That would be ideal, but I doubt I could afford a new boat. Although I havent set a firm budget, I am thinking I should be able to get something pretty good for around $20-25K.

I know the prices are always much lower in the winter time, just looking now so I know if a deal comes along then.

[randlemanboater]

I keep seeing that blue contender on craigslist. With the euro transom and the big console in the middle of the deck I think you'll find your V20 has a lot more room for fishing. Ever thought about a Wellcraft 248 Offshore?

That boat does look a little cramped in the back but has the flat floor to the bow, I would definately spend some time on one before buying. A guy who is at the campground in the Keys every time I am there has a Avanti 25....it would be perfect. But they are not for sale in my price range even used. I think they are the old Contenter 25 hull, before they started the eurotransom thing.

I have searched for Wellcraft CC's, havent seen many, mostly V-20's.

[randlemanboater]

I will do some searching on Sailfish, I have seen them around here.

Those Sea Hunt's look nice in pictures.

Searched for Hydrasports, they are all 20' or 33 ' it seems.

[randlemanboater]

Those Sailfish look real nice, but they are more pricey than Regulators.

[RidgeRunner]

Ouch! Must be the Carbon Fiber they add to the hull "Where Needed". :money: Knew there was something I liked about it.

[spareparts]

here ya go Randleman, http://marker17marine.com/boat/2005-sea-hunt-232-triton/

If you are interested, give me a call. I'v e got an in over there

[randlemanboater]

here ya go Randleman, http://marker17marine.com/boat/2005-sea-hunt-232-triton/

If you are interested, give me a call. I'v e got an in over there

I have seen that one...they have it on CL about 100 times.

I like that model boat a lot...there is one listed on Raleigh CL with a 250 Yammie, less than 100 hrs, garage kept since new asking $2k more.

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/boa/4539110192.html

[randlemanboater]

Anyone ever ride on one of these?

http://panamacity.craigslist.org/boa/4540608816.html

I think it is the 19 degree deadrise hull, those models look to have a lot of room.

[spareparts]

I work on a lot of Sea Hunts and they are pretty nice boats, I wouldn't say they are up with Regulator, but I'd rate them above 70% of the boat brands I work on.

[RidgeRunner]

I want a 30' Americat Pilothouse. Or a Freeman 33 Pilot or a 29 Everglades Pilot or a V-20 Pilot?? Pilot overload... When I retire I am moving up North where everything is better.

[bradford]

When I retire I am moving up North where everything is better.

You can drive slow in the left lane and tell them all how we do it down south while talkin' in a funny accent.

Be sure to ask for sweet tea.



I like that second Seahunt the best Randleman. Neighbors behind my wife's parents have one. That one is nice being garage kept. Plus the guy has a huge storage building and is obviously into his stuff. Probably has taken good care of her. I like it a lot more than that Proline. The lines look better, deeper deadrise, would prefer the Yammie it has, although I know you like the Suzuki's.

[Destroyer]

You can drive slow in the left lane and tell them all how we do it down south while talkin' in a funny accent.

Be sure to ask for sweet tea.

Hey!! We like sweet tea up north also... :beer:

And no, not everything is better up north... ok, we have better paying jobs, our wimmins is prettier, we don't get as many hurricanes and tornados, no fire ants, gators, our grass is actually soft on the feet, and we can go outside on a hot summer day. But we pay more in taxes, our homes cost more, and we have to put up with ppl from down south driving slow in the left lane and trying to tell us how much better it is south of the Mason-Dixon line. :you::butt::hide:

[THEFERMANATOR]

Hey!! We like sweet tea up north also... :beer:

And no, not everything is better up north... ok, we have better paying jobs, our wimmins is prettier, we don't get as many hurricanes and tornados, no fire ants, gators, our grass is actually soft on the feet, and we can go outside on a hot summer day. But we pay more in taxes, our homes cost more, and we have to put up with ppl from down south driving slow in the left lane and trying to tell us how much better it is south of the Mason-Dixon line. :you::butt::hide:
At least we know how to make a left hand turn down south, or drive in just one lane. I JUST left Jersey, and peoples ability to not turn left(when they actually are able to) shocked me to say the least. Or the number of women driving in 2 lanes at the same time while gabbing on there cell phones had my blood pressure so high I think a vein popped out of my forehead.

[RidgeRunner]

:you: Youse guys crack me up. Sweet Tea. I'm just bustin some northern compadres cajones. Bored, I was.. Besides I can't move north, I would freeze to death, noone wants that. LOL!

Back to the subject.. Pilothouse Please. Parker makes a clean looking boat but the $$ again..

[randlemanboater]

I have always liked the Parker 25 Sport Cabin...saw a "Southwester" as they were once called, in the early 80's, I couldnt beleive how big the cockpit was.

They are lots of $$.

[Destroyer]

I have always liked the Parker 25 Sport Cabin...saw a "Southwester" as they were once called, in the early 80's, I couldnt beleive how big the cockpit was.

They are lots of $$.

X2 Parker Pilothouse is my number one favorite looking rig. Rode in one a while back. Calm seas, so can't say how well it did or didn't handle in the snot, but absolutely a wonderfully made boat. If anyone wants to give one to me I'll take it in a heartbeat.


And Ferm, I couldn't agree with you more about wimmin gabbin or texting on the phone while they are driving. Complete a-holes they are. And yes, you turn left by making a right turn... with the number of vehicles on our roads, it's really the only safe way. But I agree it takes some getting used to.

[Destroyer]

I have always liked the Parker 25 Sport Cabin...saw a "Southwester" as they were once called, in the early 80's, I couldnt beleive how big the cockpit was.

They are lots of $$.

X2 Parker Pilothouse is my number one favorite looking rig. Rode in one a while back. Calm seas, so can't say how well it did or didn't handle in the snot, but absolutely a wonderfully made boat. If anyone wants to give one to me I'll take it in a heartbeat.


And Ferm, I couldn't agree with you more about wimmin gabbin or texting on the phone while they are driving. Complete a-holes they are. And yes, you turn left by making a right turn... NJ has more vehicles per sq mile than any other state in the union, so with the number of vehicles on our roads, jug handles and cloverleafs are really the only safe way. But I agree it takes some getting used to.

[randlemanboater]

Got all excited for a minute...then read about whats wrong with it.

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/boa/4603420955.html

[randlemanboater]

I was in Southport this past weekend and saw this one in person, I liked the looks of it but would want to take it for a ride to see how it rides...wonder if they would sell it without the FICHT?

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/bod/4591194888.html

[randlemanboater]

Any input on a Sea Fox?

http://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/boa/4598600740.html

[spareparts]

Sea Fox is built about 10 miles from my house. Its teh same family that brought you Renken Boats. They were very cheap and under built to begin with, but I'll have to say they've brought the quality up quite a bit(and price). They started out with some splashed hulls and new decks, A few years ago, they got serious and hired some real designers and came out with a whole new lien up of boats. They used to sell against trophy and Sea Pro, now they market them against Key West and Sea Hunt. Personally, they have a bad reputation that honestly they may not deserve. I wouldn't own an older one, the new ones are very nice. If you search on the hull truth, you'll get all kinds of horror stories about them

[spareparts]

BTW, I was in Southport Sunday as well. I took Kendall to the aquarium and rode the ferry from Ft Fisher to Southport on the way home

[randlemanboater]

BTW, I was in Southport Sunday as well. I took Kendall to the aquarium and rode the ferry from Ft Fisher to Southport on the way home

My kids were at Fort Caswell for a Youth Retreat Saturday - Monday...the girls rode the van with the group but my son was fishing a tournament Saturday morning so my wife and I dropped him off then stayed the night at my parents place a Holden Beach.

That was an amazing amount of rain Sunday...like a hurricane without the wind.

[randlemanboater]

What year would you say Sea Fox got better Spare?

[bradford]

I don't have any experience with Sea Fox, but something I've noticed is they seem to stretch the boats length for marketing reasons. Alot of this includes cap molded bow pulpits and euro transoms. If you look at one from the side, the actual running surface from where the keel starts to curve up towards the bow to the back edge of the euro transom seems small for the overall length of the boat. Something with a "23" foot hull length ends up having less room than some 18 footers.


Although these days many manufacturers are guilty of this. I wouldn't be interested in a newer Wellcraft either.

http://cdn.moreboats.com/boats/2819.526944c17afefda006059f26.xl.jpg

[bradford]

1994 25' Pursuit on Boat Angel.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Pursuit-2555-249-Used-Fishing-Boat-for-Sale-Florida-/111429028072

[randlemanboater]

I agree on the new boats, but it seems that the boats made in the mid 2000's that were made for the SKA 23' and under class are all in the 25 foot range but called 23's.

[bradford]

I agree on the new boats, but it seems that the boats made in the mid 2000's that were made for the SKA 23' and under class are all in the 25 foot range but called 23's.


First post said it for me. LOL

http://www.kingfishconnection.com/f11/new-boat-ska-23-class-9223/

[randlemanboater]

Wellcraft 252?

Looks nice.

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/boa/4583056645.html

[spareparts]

both the pursuit and teh wellcraft look nice. As far as the Sea Fox's go, I'd say around 2006? If you notice, all the older models were factory rigged with Suzukis, the newer models are all rigged with Yamahas.

[randlemanboater]

Ok, so now lets talk about your favorite walk around cuddy boats.

I had a GW 25 Sailfish way back and really liked it, but a boat that size would be too big for trailering to the keys.

I always liked the GW 24 Explorer...obviously one of the "newer" ones with the SeaV2 hull would be what I would be looking .

[Destroyer]

Ok, so now lets talk about your favorite walk around cuddy boats.

I had a GW 25 Sailfish way back and really liked it, but a boat that size would be too big for trailering to the keys.

I always liked the GW 24 Explorer...obviously one of the "newer" ones with the SeaV2 hull would be what I would be looking .

X2 Always liked the GW walkarounds also. Functional, good looking, no nonsense layout. They would be one of my first choices also.

[bradford]

23 ft Dusky

http://savannah.craigslist.org/boa/4613735553.html

23ft Dusky Center Console - $18000 (Harris Neck)

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condition: excellent size / dimensions: 23' + Brackett

1995 Dusky 233 with Evinrude Ocean Pro 225 ready to fish, fully operational. Fished weekly and in great shape. Water pump replaced each year. Two new AGM batteries and electronic isolator system. Lenco trim tabs, T-Top, leaning post, plenty of storage. fish box, 40 gallon live well, fresh and raw wash down, electronics box, vhf radio, top-gun outriggers, stereo. Two 60 gallon fuel tanks. Lift stored, trailer available but not included in this price
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[randlemanboater]

Thats a good looking boat.

[Destroyer]

Yep. Not a walk around, but nice looking for sure.

[randlemanboater]

It says Evinrude on the cowl and in the add but the paint says Bombardier era Johnson.

[THEFERMANATOR]

It says Evinrude on the cowl and in the add but the paint says Bombardier era Johnson.
BRP bought EVINRUDE and pretty well dropped the JOHNSON name. Around 98 most all JOHNSON's went to 4 strokes, and around 01 I believe the last JOHNSON's came out in 2 strokes. It looks like an early 98-early 01 to me from the cowling, AKA FICHT engine. Starting in 01 they redesigned the bigger FICHTS and made them ALOT better, but this one looks like an earlier model.

[willy]

That Dusky is a thing of beauty

[randlemanboater]

Who has any experience with a CAT?

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1993-Sea-Cat-Catamaran-617337

[THEFERMANATOR]

Who has any experience with a CAT?

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1993-Sea-Cat-Catamaran-617337

I've never been on one, but have heard some real horror stories about them. From what I have heard from friends who have ridden in them, they handle great going directly into or with the seas, BUT they can be downright DANGEROUS quartering into the seas. If one hull catches before the other they tend to hook and go that way throwing you, and when the other hull does catch you get thrown back the other way. My dad lost one of his favorite polls fishing with some guys on a cat because of this. Every rod in the top holders got thrown over when the one hull caught and threw them, and when the other one caught it threw all of them almost out of the boat. This was on a slightly choppy day in the GULF, and nothing compared to what you guys in the atlantic have to deal with. After hearing about this one first hand, my dad never went back out with those guys, and I never had the urge to go and try it out for myself.

[Destroyer]

Who has any experience with a CAT?

I have several... Lost one last month to old age, but still have 4 that hang around. I love dogs, but cats are great also. :butt:

[bradford]

I wish you'd asked a little while back Randleman.

I had a chance at a 22' Twin Vee center console with a tower, twin 90 Hondas, and galvanized tandem trailer for $2500+/-. One of the Hondas was blown, but the rest was a 7 on a 1-10 scale.

[randlemanboater]

i have several... Lost one last month to old age, but still have 4 that hang around. I love dogs, but cats are great also. :butt:

lol

[randlemanboater]

I wish you'd asked a little while back Randleman.

I had a chance at a 22' Twin Vee center console with a tower, twin 90 Hondas, and galvanized tandem trailer for $2500+/-. One of the Hondas was blown, but the rest was a 7 on a 1-10 scale.

You should have bought it to flip!

[randlemanboater]

So ideally I will find a boat with a fairly new 4 stroke already on the stern, but if I find the perfect boat with a 2 stroke on it, I need to be informed.

I am seeing that there are lots of boats in the 2000-2005 year range that appeal to me, many have Yammie and Merc 2 strokes.

I know that you cant disconnect oil injection on the Opti/HPDI motors, but what about the EFI models? Is it necessary on the EFI to disconnect the oil injection or are they reliable enough to leave on?

[RidgeRunner]

I am about to take the plunge into 4-stroke territory for the first time. Old thinker when it comes to outboards, I like 2-strokes because there are a lot less moving parts. I don't trust oil injection because I know it can fail. I don't have a choice on the Opti as mentioned. I did take the oil infection off the 1998 EFI Mercury and a 60 Mercury and a 90 HP Johnson and numerous V-6 Mercury Outboards. The downside to taking off the oil injection is the motor smoked noticably more at idle. Oil injection leans the ratio out at idle so the motor smokes less as I understand it. Without a load the motor doesn't need as much oil to remain lubricated, so it saves you in the wallet, until it stops working and then POP goes the weasel...On second thought, I might get along just fine with the 4-strokes after all.. Doesn't feel like I have been holding onto much now that I decided to let go.. They have proven to be fantastic in economy and longevity. Stay 4-stroke or let that be a chit to be used to bargain for a better sale price, the re-power angle..

[THEFERMANATOR]

If you buy a boat with ANY engine that old, don't put much value in the engine. Most of the imports have rock solid oil injection systems since they were smart enough to use all metal gears for the pumps VS MERCURY's IDIOTIC idea of a nylon crank gear like on the 2.0, 2.4, and 2.5's. When it comes to DFI engines, I wouldn't want one out of warranty. Most all of them require expensive computer software to do much of anything to them, and even a small repair can get up over $1K pretty easily. I would hold out for what you want if it was me, and not settle for one unless your getting a SMOKING deal on it. As for removing the oil inejction, on the bigger engines most all of them had good systems except for EVINRUDE. If it is a regular EFI, you can safely remove the oil inejction, but as you pointed out DFI's MUST have it on them. Carbed engines may require a rejet if you remove the oil inejction as they tend to load up at idle without it.

[randlemanboater]

My goal is to find one with a 4 stroke, or to repower with a 4 stroke, but if that smokin deal comes along and my money is not right to upgrade right away I just wanted to know what to avoid.

Seems from what the experts say, stay away from out of warranty DFI.

[randlemanboater]

Look at this!

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2000-Heritage-Custom-Carolina-Center-Console-101995346

[randlemanboater]

Hydrasports Vector? Garage kept (+), mostly freshwater use(+), FICHT(-)

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2000-Hydra-Sports-Vector-624812

[randlemanboater]

Regulator. Did they make these with a full transom?

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1999-Regulator-Classic-619589

[spareparts]

I don't think they did. I believe you had to go to the 25-26 before they put a bracket on them(I may be wrong though). I've worked on several 24's with motors on the transom. That's a hell of a boat and a deal. I looked at a 21 regulator in Supply NC with a 200 two stroke, carb, Yamaha, for a customer of mine a couple weeks ago that was around $25,000. I'd much rather have the 23 with a four stroke on it.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Look at this!

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2000-Heritage-Custom-Carolina-Center-Console-101995346
Talk about "PRICEY ", $30K without an engine.
Hydrasports Vector? Garage kept (+), mostly freshwater use(+), FICHT(-)

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2000-Hydra-Sports-Vector-624812
GREAT boat, but that FICHT KILLS the resale on them. He can ask that all he wants, but with that anchor on the back he probably wont come close.
Regulator. Did they make these with a full transom?

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1999-Regulator-Classic-619589

NICE! Insert drool here.:nic:

[randlemanboater]

How were Wellcrafts around 2001? Still made with wood?

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2001-Wellcraft-230-Fisherman-102277811

[randlemanboater]

I don't think they did. I believe you had to go to the 25-26 before they put a bracket on them(I may be wrong though). I've worked on several 24's with motors on the transom. That's a hell of a boat and a deal. I looked at a 21 regulator in Supply NC with a 200 two stroke, carb, Yamaha, for a customer of mine a couple weeks ago that was around $25,000. I'd much rather have the 23 with a four stroke on it.

That is a really nice boat...maybe it will still be on the market when I can buy.

1300 hrs isn't any thing to worry about on a 4 stroke Yammie is it?

[spareparts]

the guys who ran hte water taxi sold their first two Yamaha 150 four strokes with 5800 hours, the set they have on there now are getting close to 5000. they've had soem issues(lower units, fuel injection) but not anything that wouldn't happen to any engine with that many hours. That being said, I'm pulling the power head off of a 225 right now that has a leaking oil pan

[THEFERMANATOR]

How were Wellcrafts around 2001? Still made with wood?

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2001-Wellcraft-230-Fisherman-102277811
Not bad boats, actually ride pretty nice. Still have wood in them IIRC, and that FICHT on the back is a deal breaker unless the price is right.
That is a really nice boat...maybe it will still be on the market when I can buy.

1300 hrs isn't any thing to worry about on a 4 stroke Yammie is it?
If the oils been changed and it's been run with ring free, 1400 is nothing to worry about.

[randlemanboater]

So what do yall think about deadrise?

What is the best compromise?

24-25 deg is best for running in the ruff stuff, 17-18 deg is more efficient, less roll on the drift, so around 20 deg?

[randlemanboater]

97 Wellcraft 230 w/ '10 Yam F225

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1996-Wellcraft-Fisherman-230-619800

[THEFERMANATOR]

So what do yall think about deadrise?

What is the best compromise?

24-25 deg is best for running in the ruff stuff, 17-18 deg is more efficient, less roll on the drift, so around 20 deg?
Not many hulls use the 24-25 degree deadrise anymore except for go fasts and boats made for running the snotty stuff at high speeds. They rock and roll so bad that most stick in the 18-22 degree deadrise range, or run a variable deadrise hull. Variable is the best all around I think. A deep keel to get the prop down deep in the water, a sharp bow entry to cut, but a good compromise of deadrise to allow it to still cut but not slingshot on the drift. Theres alot of good compromise hulls out there now that can stil lrun on plane in the rough stuff, just not get up and fly.

[randlemanboater]

If I weren't wanting to trailer my "new" larger boat to the Keys a couple times a year, this would be hard to pass on.

1993 GW Dolphin...a mix of the pre eurotransom Sailfish 25 (like I had) and the Gulfstream 23 (uses the smaller cabin making a larger cockpit which was huge to start with) all with the SeaV2 hull and full transom without the wasted space of the eurotransom. This one even has low hour modern 4 stroke power, but it would still be expensive to operate.

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/bod/4628353656.html

[randlemanboater]

Oh, just so yall know, I am not in extreme goof off mode at work, I had my Appendix cut out Saturday and am sitting at home bored to death!

[spareparts]

wait another month or so to go look at the Grady and pick up a bushel of the best oysters you will ever taste while you're there

[randlemanboater]

wait another month or so to go look at the Grady and pick up a bushel of the best oysters you will ever taste while you're there

Excellent idea!

[spareparts]

something about the pluff mud in Blufton makes them taste extra good. water temps probably wont be cool enough till the end of September beginning of October

[reelapeelin]

Or a Freeman 33 Pilot...When I retire I am moving up North where everything is better.

I can help ya on that Freeman...and on the "up North" thing...take a comfy folding chair into the shade, w/a glass of iced tea and a cold neck compress...You've overheated or something...:head:

[randlemanboater]

What do yall know about Triton boats?

http://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/4584063081.html

[randlemanboater]

Ever heard of a Hancock boat?

Looks nice.

http://hancockboats.com/Images/PatrickPiner23'/index.html

http://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/4610639419.html

[spareparts]

this is a freind of mine's Parker Pilot house, if you are interested, I can put you in touch with him
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1996-Parker-2520-Sport-Cabin-102147345

he's asking 29,900, it could be bought for less

[spareparts]

Ever heard of a Hancock boat?

Looks nice.

http://hancockboats.com/Images/PatrickPiner23'/index.html

http://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/4610639419.html

looks a lot like the old Sea Ox hull

[randlemanboater]

this is a freind of mine's Parker Pilot house, if you are interested, I can put you in touch with him
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1996-Parker-2520-Sport-Cabin-102147345

he's asking 29,900, it could be bought for less



I saw that one a while back....I like the open back on the cabin but its not a full transom and I think its the modified vee...a friend of mine has the same boat with the longer cabin, when I asked him if he would get the modified vee again, he said he would definately get the deep vee.

[randlemanboater]

looks a lot like the old Sea Ox hull

Says on the website that the designer/builder has had hull designers look at his design but that he mostly just made it by eye and feel...like the old time wood shrimp boat builders I guess.

[spareparts]

that is the modified V, they had three different version, the original commercial almost flat bottom at the transom, the deep v which takes a bunch more power to run and rolls pretty bad and the modified, from what they told me the modified is the most popular. I know they passed on at least three others before they bought this one. It didn't work out like they hoped(only 6 pack certified) and bought the biggest Carolina skiff I've ever seen(USCG Certified to 30 pass IIRC). They were running that skiff the other day when I was out on that Intrepid, I knew they were wishing they were in the Parker.

[randlemanboater]

My buddy says he loves his, just would get the deep v if buying again...he fishes way offshore a lot.

That Parker is in the same boat as that GW Dolphin, would be a handful pulling it to and back from the Keys.

Of course I could always keep the V20 for Keys trips...better stop thinking that way.

[spareparts]

towing to the Keys really puts a limit on your decisions, personally, with that in mind, I cant think of anything that would be an improvement over what you have. If you want more room, why not a redo on the V, have the transom redone to a full transom, and hang your Zuke on a bracket. With reworking the splashwell, it should give you some more room in the cockpit. Keep what you've got and spend some money on it. You've got a package that's hard to beat.

[randlemanboater]

Ok now, stop it with the logical thinking!

The V20 is almost perfect for the Keys, I think they designed it for use there. But I am kind of skittish about taking it 50 miles offshore in NC.

When I evaluate everything all together, I keep leaning towards the GW Explorer 24, it seems to fit my bill the best as far as affordability and functionality.

But we will see what happens...I may switch back to fishing for mountain trout, no boat needed.

[spareparts]

The best boat for going 50 miles offshore is some one else's boat. Seriously unless you plan to go more than 6 or 7 times its cheaper to charter

[randlemanboater]

Very true...I'm planning on going very often. With my folks having a place at the beach and having 2 uncles who live there full time, I figure any day the weather is going to be right I can run down there and go...I plan on retireing right.

[spareparts]

Ok, now that we've set the limits, there's no reason to restrict your self. Keep the V, don't ever get rid of it. Its teh perfect size to trailer, now for offshore fishing in NC, give up on the idea of using the V and buy a second boat something that will really get you out there to fish.







nothing better for a boat mechanic than some one that owns more than one boat :sly:

[spareparts]

In all seriousness, I've given up the idea of going offshore, it just plain cost too much. If I want to go, I'll charter or go on a friends boat. If I ever get my V going it will be the family boat. I want to sell my McKee and start looking for a mid sized flats boat, that will be my serious fishing boat or tow some where boat. I'm looking for a Shipoke, Dolphin 18, or action craft. I'll have a snortin, ill tempered smoking 2 stroke mercury V6 on the back that will take care of the go fast in me.

[randlemanboater]

I agree on the costs too much statement...but I love to fish, I want to fish, I am going to fish!!!

I am trying very hard to keep focus of the fact that a 6000+ pound, twin 250 hp boat is not what I need to end up with. Something with a single 4 stroke that I can go out and spend $150-$200 / trip is what I am shooting for. Go down once or twice a month, go out 2 times each time, have fresh fish for every meal.

[spareparts]

this is the best deal for what you can do with it around if you want to go offshore
http://boats.iboats.com/1975-seacraft-23-sceptre-charleston-sc/1477548.html

oh, don't whine about it not being a center console, centers east up way too much room, express is where its happening


keep the v for the Florida trips or if need be, I can tow it down for you in trade for some fishing time

[the daydreamer]

Randlemanboater look at craiglist eastern nc. Type in seacraft. 24 cuddy in oak island looks clean and not much money per say!!!! Plus its close!!!!!

[spareparts]

that one in Oak Island looks pretty nice, twin 115 Zukes should be fairly fuel efficient. Notice there are several in Virginia that are coming up on searches now. The season is coming to close and there are a lot of people that are getting right on their prices. The further North you go, the sooner the season is over and the cheaper the price

[randlemanboater]

this is the best deal for what you can do with it around if you want to go offshore
http://boats.iboats.com/1975-seacraft-23-sceptre-charleston-sc/1477548.html

oh, don't whine about it not being a center console, centers east up way too much room, express is where its happening


keep the v for the Florida trips or if need be, I can tow it down for you in trade for some fishing time


No whining here...half the boats I look at are walkarounds...even viewed a few Carolina Classics and Albemarle's which are both getting old enogh to be in my price range.

My trouble with that one is that I'd be screaming up and down the water at 70 mph all the time burning huge amounts of fuel and never catch a single fish.

[randlemanboater]

Randlemanboater look at craiglist eastern nc. Type in seacraft. 24 cuddy in oak island looks clean and not much money per say!!!! Plus its close!!!!!

I actually saw that one a while back and was going to try to ride by and see it when I was down that way a few weeks ago but time ran short on me.

[randlemanboater]

There was a guy in the Keys this last trip that had this boat except his was aqua green in color and had a diesel motor.

I love the idea of the inboard but theres no way it would suit my families boating activities...I have to be able to tilt up the motor.

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/4558211729.html

[randlemanboater]

The NADA retail price on the motor on this one is $15K, the boat is almost free.

http://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/4606216867.html

[spareparts]

you really want my opinion on the value of that motor?


BTW the twin Zuke Sea Craft is you, the price is right, the boat is right. No more looking until you take that one for a ride. That twim merc Searaft can run on less than half throttle you know.

[randlemanboater]

I do like the looks of that SC, even though its not a full transom...I will definately check it out if its still for sale when my money gets right.

Boats I like I am taking screen shots of the ad in case they expire.

[booch]

There is one up here in penna craigslist 12.5k that would my choice or a hydra-sport cc kevlar. would not be able to pick between them two.

[randlemanboater]

I like the looks of those Aquasports too...it will all boil down to whatever is available for the best price when I am ready to buy.

[randlemanboater]

There is a conspiracy afoot to get me to buy before I am ready.


1993 GW Explorer
http://wilmington.craigslist.org/boa/4636150763.html


2012 Yammie F300 for $9k
http://wilmington.craigslist.org/boa/4634130643.html

[bradford]

http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/4650287711.html

DUSKY 23'6 FISHERMEN BOAT OCEAN RUNNER - $17999 (WESTON)

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[randlemanboater]

That is real nice...I just wish it didnt have the raised deck in the front.

[spareparts]

your going to have to get closer to 25-26 feet to get a non raised forward deck in a decent deadrise hull

[RidgeRunner]

That isn't a 20 degree dedrise Dusky I don't think. Looks like a 16 dgree or something thereabouts. Plain Jane is Dusky but it doesn't come across like a Parker (also plain). Just buy a 32 Blackfin and be done with it.

[randlemanboater]

Yeah, I know...thats why I am leaning back towards a walk around instead of a CC.

Really all this boat studying has kind of hurt my brain and I am kinda trying not to look at anything for a while...but I love to look at boats!

I found myself getting out of the truck to look at a 60's trihull sitting in the woods on the path down to the pond Sunday...I just cant help myself.

[spareparts]

There's a hydrodyne for $800 that passed twice in the last two months that I have to stay away from

[Pipe_Dream]

http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/4650287711.html

DUSKY 23'6 FISHERMEN BOAT OCEAN RUNNER - $17999 (WESTON)


I think it moved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsTnfqTfPg

[randlemanboater]

I know I said I was going to take a break...so I did for several hours.

What do y'all know about a Sea Chaser 2600? I can't find the deadrise listed anywhere, but it has the one level cockpit.

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/boa/4663257608.html

[spareparts]

have you looked for any Ken craft Challengers?

[randlemanboater]

Not really...I have seen pics in ads of them but never checked one out.

Was at the coast this past weekend and saw several Sea Hunts around...they have a really sharp V on the bow.

[randlemanboater]

I studied a few Kencrafts today...they look like something I need to study some more.

[spareparts]

here ya go
http://savannah.craigslist.org/bod/4609527638.html

[bradford]

here ya go
http://savannah.craigslist.org/bod/4609527638.html


Don't know what it is, but that one has been for sale forever.

It might only be that everyone around here seems to want a center console unless it says grady white on the side.

EDIT: Yep here I mention it in a post back in July of 2009.

http://wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?p=145167&highlight=yella#post145167

[randlemanboater]

That is a nice looking boat.

[kamikaze]

Randleman:

Recommend you don't even consider a Aquasport. Ran a 25 CCP for years and riding in that thing was like taking a shower. Wettest boat I've ever been in and a crappy ride to boot!


Kamikaze

[randlemanboater]

Randleman:

Recommend you don't even consider a Aquasport. Ran a 25 CCP for years and riding in that thing was like taking a shower. Wettest boat I've ever been in and a crappy ride to boot!


Kamikaze

Thanks for the input...was that one of the 245 osprey/explorer hulls?

[randlemanboater]

How does the Wellcraft 23 compare to the V-20 as far as deadrise and such?

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/boa/4785197232.html

[THEFERMANATOR]

How does the Wellcraft 23 compare to the V-20 as far as deadrise and such?

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/boa/4785197232.html
It's a low deadrise hull, without even much entry to it to cut the waves. I looked into one years back, and learned they had EARNED the reputation for being a slammer.

[randlemanboater]

Thanks Ferm.

[randlemanboater]

Anyone have a guess if this is the "Deep Vee" 21* deadrise hull or the "Modified Vee" 14* deadrise hull?

1990 Parker 23 CC.

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/bod/4786508582.html

[bradford]

I like the boat, but for that money it better be turn key. No steering or trim pump issues.

Looks closer to 14 degrees to me.

[the daydreamer]

Thanks Ferm.

heard the same thing they tend to pound!

[THEFERMANATOR]

Anyone have a guess if this is the "Deep Vee" 21* deadrise hull or the "Modified Vee" 14* deadrise hull?

1990 Parker 23 CC.

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/bod/4786508582.html

I like the boat, but for that money it better be turn key. No steering or trim pump issues.

Looks closer to 14 degrees to me.
I agree, sure looks like a 14 degree hull to me and not a 21. And I think he's WAY high on his price for an 03(1st year) engine with admitted work needed. My concern would be corrosion which seems to be a problem on the early 4 strokes, and from the sounds of steering and trim problems, I imagine corrosion is one of the underlying issues.

[randlemanboater]

I like the boat, but for that money it better be turn key. No steering or trim pump issues.

Looks closer to 14 degrees to me.

That's what I was thinking, on the dead rise and the price. I tried comparing pics on the Parker website of the 2300 and the 2300 SE and decided it looked like both.

As for the price, I figured the guy told the dealer to sell it but the dealer knows he will make more on the repair so they priced it high to keep it from selling. After a couple months they report back to the guy that no one wants a broke boat, the guy tells them to fix it then sell, dealer makes money on repair and a commission.

[spareparts]

23 Pusuit just got posted up on a local board.
https://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/4925565544.html

[randlemanboater]

That looks like a nice one, but I have decided to hold off a couple more seasons before I step up...unless something falls in my lap of course.

[macojoe]

if i was back in the game i be looking at it!

[spareparts]

its got a 2 stroke on it, its not going to sell quick, everyone is all about four strokes, send him a low ball offer, it can't hurt and you might end up with a new boat

[bradford]

That Pursuit is down to $7900 now.

[spareparts]

like I said, having a two stroke is killing resale

[randlemanboater]

Thought I would resurrect this old thread as I am getting closer to getting ready to thinking about upgrading.

How do y'all feel about the Mercury 250-300 hp range Verados?

I know they have superchargers on them, any known problems/issues?

[randlemanboater]

Looking back through this thread, I realize that I need to actually copy and paste the ads so I know what boat the feedback is about.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Thought I would resurrect this old thread as I am getting closer to getting ready to thinking about upgrading.

How do y'all feel about the Mercury 250-300 hp range Verados?

I know they have superchargers on them, any known problems/issues?
HEAVY PIGS! And I know there was some complaints about several models getting alot worse fuel burn than rated at. Personnally I would stick with YAMAHA or SUZUKI for that size of 4 stroke outboard.

[randlemanboater]

Thanks Ferm.

[spareparts]

heavy, burn fuel, blow lower units, expensive to maintain. 1000 hour motors at best

[randlemanboater]

I am reviving this thread again.

Anyone have any input on this boat?

'96 Ranger 250C with twin '06 150 Yamahas 4 strokes.

Everything I can find on them is positive, this one seems to be in good condition.

Have you seen this one in your travels Spare? Its in Murrells Inlet.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1996-ranger-250-c-102815583/

[THEFERMANATOR]

The 150 4 strokes are great engines, and powerful with most reports putting them well over 150hp at the prop. My only concern would be the hull. The pics look like shes been well cared for, but I don't remember Ranger having built many large boats. Thought they were a short production run on them.

[randlemanboater]

They seem to have been made 1991 to 1999 maybe? One story I read on THT written by a guy who owned one and lived close to the factory was that they got to a point where they were either going to have to increase the size of the factory and find more workers, or just stick with bass boat production. They decided to go with just bass boats then, although they seem to make a few saltwater models now.

[spareparts]

Ive always liked those boats, they seem to favor the Sea Ray Laguna's. Never riden in one though. I haven't been up towards Murrels in a while. If you find out who has the boat or been servicing it, let me know, I'll see if I can dig up anything on it. Cant say anything bad about the 150's. There's a boat just like this across the canal from our house in Sneads Ferry. Its been repowered with twin 140 Suzuki's, I think the guy bought it new. He uses it a lot, and it still looks good.

[randlemanboater]

Its at "Marine Service Center" 8994 Hwy 17 Bypass, Murrells Inlet according to the ad.

I don't know if you guys know this about me, but I really like those Zuke 140's.

[spareparts]

thats a pretty good sized dealership, I used to know a couple people up there, but not anymore. Probably a consignment boat. I'd take those Yamaha's over the zukes any day

[Keyv20]

theres a 23 sea craft for sale where i live with twin 150 merc optimax clean boat wish i had the money for it

[randlemanboater]

theres a 23 sea craft for sale where i live with twin 150 merc optimax clean boat wish i had the money for it

I wish I lived in the Keys!

Wecome!

[randlemanboater]

I'd take those Yamaha's over the zukes any day

Good to know. Hopefully it is still around when I pull the trigger in about 4.5 months, if not, there are a lots of boats in the sea.

[spareparts]

This is one of my customers boats, he's got it for sale, asking $39,000, probably take 35k. Low hour 150 opti's. Recent repaint and electronics

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n175/spareparts_photos/IMG_20140715_135932_765_zpsd3bc90d5.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/spareparts_photos/media/IMG_20140715_135932_765_zpsd3bc90d5.jpg.html)

[bradford]

https://savannah.craigslist.org/boa/6022393544.html

Like thesee boats alot in that they are clean, basic, no frills, etc.

Limited production, semi custom mom and pop builder.

[spareparts]

thats a freind of mine's boat

[randlemanboater]

So I went by and looked at that 250c in Murrells Inlet, I really like the boat.

My big concern is that the motor mount bolts are crumbling from corrosion. If I understand correctly, to replace them requires power head removal.

Sounds expensive...what do the experts say?

[randlemanboater]

https://savannah.craigslist.org/boa/6022393544.html

Like thesee boats alot in that they are clean, basic, no frills, etc.

Limited production, semi custom mom and pop builder.

I like that one, but some very smart guys who's opinion I respect always say not to own an opti out of warranty.

[bradford]

I like that one, but some very smart guys who's opinion I respect always say not to own an opti out of warranty.


Spares intrepid had the optis, my whitewater had hpdi yamahas. After reading through the ad though I feel it's overpriced, has some stringer issues.

Depending on your time frame Randleman and pocketbook you could find a project hull for cheap and have it set up how you want. Like any boat you pay the piper one way or another. I think it was Ferm who said whatever you think it will cost multiply it by 3-5 and how long they say it wil take also multiply by 3-5. lol

[randlemanboater]

Yeah, I believe Opti and HPDI are the same beast when they break...high dollar.

As for time frame...I would like to fish my " new boat" sometime this year, preferably sooner than later...but I don't mind fixing stuff and understand that takes time, which I will have more of starting June 1, when I retire.

As for pocketbooks, mine is always fairly thin with 2 kids in college and a 3rd 2 years away from it.

[spareparts]

So I went by and looked at that 250c in Murrells Inlet, I really like the boat.

My big concern is that the motor mount bolts are crumbling from corrosion. If I understand correctly, to replace them requires power head removal.

Sounds expensive...what do the experts say?

which motor mount bolts are we talking about?

[randlemanboater]

The ones I noticed were the bottom ones that are under some covers on each side of the lower unit.

They crumbled when I just barely touched them...I assume if the lower ones are that bad then the tops would be the same.

The same ones are pictured in the below link.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/579574-yamaha-hardware-rusting-normal.html

[spareparts]

lowers are easier than the uppers, the uppers will require powerhead removal. If you have a mechanic check it out, pull a couple power head anodes and look at their condition

[randlemanboater]

What would be the average charge for replacing upper and lower if done by a shop?

[phatdaddy]

as long as we're spending RMB'smoney

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/813803-dusky-23-3-fac-full-access-cabin-24-000-a.html

not sure if this is one with a fiberglass fuel tank, but if so, might be a problem


http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/826963-older-but-solid-cc-great-starter-boat-twin-4strkes.html

always liked these hulls, lots of storage and has flush deck to bow.


Found you another one

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/823992-contender-23-open-30k.html

[spareparts]

What would be the average charge for replacing upper and lower if done by a shop?

Id hate to uote that job,but I'm going to guess 6 hours per plus more depending on corrosion

[SkunkBoat]

I had those off on my zuki when working on the steering. 2 of the bolts holding the cover plates on the bottom snapped trying to remove them. On the bright side, the bolts you are concerned with were in great shape.

[randlemanboater]

Id hate to uote that job,but I'm going to guess 6 hours per plus more depending on corrosion


I appreciate the estimate. I am going to call them tomorrow and ask them to price the repair and go from there. It is a consignment boat by the way.

[randlemanboater]

as long as we're spending RMB'smoney

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/813803-dusky-23-3-fac-full-access-cabin-24-000-a.html

not sure if this is one with a fiberglass fuel tank, but if so, might be a problem


http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/826963-older-but-solid-cc-great-starter-boat-twin-4strkes.html

always liked these hulls, lots of storage and has flush deck to bow.


Found you another one

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/823992-contender-23-open-30k.html


I like that Dusky and the Contender, except for the etec's...although the Contenders is still under warranty. I have always liked the Laguna as well, I wonder how the motor mount bolts look...

Keep em coming!

[bradford]

Love that Dusky, great price and nice setup, a truly comfortable walk around. Three piece construction is a big plus I feel too. Only thing I'd change is the canvas to anything but red. Florence SC is a lot closer to NC. Would be a lot more comfortable of a sea boat than the other two, especially the Laguna.

Check out how low the gunnel height is on the Laguna in the pictures with the guys standing up. Guy says he's put 12 dive tanks in the forward locker, can you imagine plowing into any kind of head seas, or God forbid, following seas with that much weight forward on that boat? If the deck wasn't flush to the bow it would have a forward casting deck. Pretty sure Searays have cored hulls as well.

Guess I don't care for that one, lol.

The Contender is a pretty hull. It's lineage and merrits stand on their own. Seems like a good price for that level of boat in that condition. I like the color scheme and looks like a fishing machine, not that I would know.

[randlemanboater]

I looked at one of the Lagunas when they were new, that box up front could sleep 2 people comfortably. It's been 20 years since I have seen one, I bet I don't like them as much now as I did then.

BTW, I wasn't busting on etec's, I just prefer 4 strokes.

[bradford]

https://savannah.craigslist.org/boa/6169945822.html

[THEFERMANATOR]

https://savannah.craigslist.org/boa/6169945822.html

:love: I'm drooling over this gem.

[phatdaddy]

That's the money shot, bradford.

100 hours on a 12 year old motor

[THEFERMANATOR]

That's the money shot, bradford.

100 hours on a 12 year old motor

It can happen. When we got our Sundance it was 5 1/2 years old with 55 hours according to the ecm run time record. It's gotta be close to 100 now even with as little as we've used it. Some people don't use a boat but 1-2 times a year. Unfortunately old low time engines tend to have the most trouble. Age without useage is harder on seals and such than using them. And if left to sit that long and it wasn't fkushed, washed, and put away correctly can lead to alot of corrosion issues.

[Blue_Runner]

What do ya'll think of the 22/23ft cat hulls? Sea Cat, Prokat, World Cat, Glacier Bay? My old sore back likes what I've read about em, even with the handling differences b/t cat vs. mono. I've never ridden on one. Also really like the thought of twin 140 or 150 4 strokes on the back.

[THEFERMANATOR]

What do ya'll think of the 22/23ft cat hulls? Sea Cat, Prokat, World Cat, Glacier Bay? My old sore back likes what I've read about em, even with the handling differences b/t cat vs. mono. I've never ridden on one. Also really like the thought of twin 140 or 150 4 strokes on the back.

I've always heard going into it or with it cats are great, but the 1st time you have one hook in crossing a sea, you'll never ride in one again. I know my dad grew to hate them when on his 3rd trip on one, he lost all his deep sea rods because they had a small cross wave hit them on plane, one side hooked, and THREW them all for a wild ride. Ended the trip because it threw every rod in a rocket launcher out of the boat.

[bgreene]

Go with the 90' Viking. I can guarantee it will ride better than any of the recommended boats so far.

And if the 90 is too cramped, look for a used oil tanker......LOTS of storage space, and when loaded, about the most stable ride you'll find, plus a big open deck for fishing.

[randlemanboater]

Go with the 90' Viking. I can guarantee it will ride better than any of the recommended boats so far.

And if the 90 is too cramped, look for a used oil tanker......LOTS of storage space, and when loaded, about the most stable ride you'll find, plus a big open deck for fishing.

I will go get a lottery ticket...sounds like the best option.

[SkunkBoat]

so I'll throw a few questions out there since I am on top of the fence and dangling one foot into a bigger boat. The idea is to buy a decent hull that has worthless outboards and repower

I was looking for an outboard 24 North Coast late 80s...Capt Pete snagged a good fixer upper before I could get a leg up on the fence.:nut:

Also staring at quite a few Carolina Classic/Albemarle 25s but rather have outboards. Don't really want a bracket project...

Then I saw a few Grady 265 Expresses and now I'm thinking bigger is better.:love: But Gradys ain't no bargain.

I have been shying away from walk-arounds with eurotransoms but stumbled across the Pro-Line 27 walk (2000-2002).Looks like a decent fishing machine. These newer ones have no wood. Might be able to get a decent one for $20k, sell the original Merc 225s for what I can get?

So now that opens me up to Cobia/Hydrasports/Aquasport walk-arounds of the same vintage?

Anybody ride in one? They always looked ungainly to me especially the smaller 23s and 25s.

[BillTex]

so I'll throw a few questions out there since I am on top of the fence and dangling one foot into a bigger boat. The idea is to buy a decent hull that has worthless outboards and repower

I was looking for an outboard 24 North Coast late 80s...Capt Pete snagged a good fixer upper before I could get a leg up on the fence.:nut:

Also staring at quite a few Carolina Classic/Albemarle 25s but rather have outboards. Don't really want a bracket project...

Then I saw a few Grady 265 Expresses and now I'm thinking bigger is better.:love: But Gradys ain't no bargain.

I have been shying away from walk-arounds with eurotransoms but stumbled across the Pro-Line 27 walk (2000-2002).Looks like a decent fishing machine. These newer ones have no wood. Might be able to get a decent one for $20k, sell the original Merc 225s for what I can get?

So now that opens me up to Cobia/Hydrasports/Aquasport walk-arounds of the same vintage?

Anybody ride in one? They always looked ungainly to me especially the smaller 23s and 25s.
skunk...you sound like me! I am eyeing the 265 Express as our next hull...
Our previous Grady was a great boat that caught MANY tuna.

I fished with a friend in his PL of that vintage...it was brand new then...nice boat.
You don't see a lot of older ones around though. Not sure I would consider a PL one for the long haul...
The NC is nice...and I hear you on the Carolina/Albies...just can't get myself to buy another I/O.
OB's are so sweet nowadays.

Good luck, keep us posted.
Bill

[THEFERMANATOR]

I would not reccomend a proline for somebody on the atlantic side. Prolines were designed and built here in Homosassa Florida to be used in the Gulf Of Mexico. We have mostly short tight chop over here, so the hulls were designed to deal with it VS large rolling swells like the Atlantic side gets. We had a 231 MANY years back, and it did pretty good in the Gulf, but that sucker scared us a few times in the Keys on the Atlantic side. It always wanted to hold on the top of the chop, then nose dive off hard when it came across instead of ride it down. That ride works very well for the Gulf as it keeps you from slamming on a tight chop, but in swells it resulted in alot of the falling feeling on any larger swells. Just my $.02 based off of the one we had.

[SkunkBoat]

Here are some things I'm looking at. The Nrth Coast is just a google pic but the others are for sale locally. All of these boats are canyon range boats if 4 stroke motors.

The Blackwatch guy must be high cuz he's asking $28K for an 89 with 92 motors.
Don't care for the bracket. They did make a notched transom version. Almost identical to the North Coast. Not sure if BlackWatch used a core instead of solid glass hull?
There is a BlackFIN 27 out there that is also very similar but outboard version hard to find.

The Proline is a decent looking boat priced at $20K with 2000 Merc 2 strokes (basically no engines...). Its in the water, might take a spin. It is in the wheelhouse for a brand new repower twin zuki 200s.... Hate the transom. Needs to be rigged for fishing with new elctronics and riggers.

The Grady 265 is absolutely beautiful and ready right now with uptodate electronics, big outriggers. Love the drop transom. has Yami 2003 4stroke 225s that had exhaust problem fixed. 1100 hrs... He wants $65k which is out of my range for 14 year old motors. Probly take this one for a test. I see some of these have gone for under $40k

Do people actually buy old outboards for money?:head: Dunno what I could get for them and what a pita it would be..

[bradford]

Skunk the only ones id go for out of those are the Northcoast followed by the Blackwatch. Had a Blackwatch here for sale a short while back and also a couple of Blackfins, I like the Blackfins, but to me they look like they sit lower in the water, less freeboard between the rubrail and waterline. They were for sale for high teens and low 20s.

[bradford]

According to my 1997 edition of Powerboat Guide the Blackwatch has a balsa cored hull.

[THEFERMANATOR]

The blackwatch's will bring $$$$$. It's a VERY desireable hull built DIRECTLY off of BERTRAM molds from when BERTRAM sold the molds to there 20, 23, 25, 26, 28, and 30's(not sure if BLACKWATCH got a 31 mold or not, thought those stayed with a boat builder in Sarasota). And I know many dislike 2 strokes, but yes, there is STILL a market out there for them if they're not rotted. Theres still ALOT of people out there who like being able to work on there own outboards WITHOUT a laptop, like the simplicity of 2 strokes, and the weight savings is worth it to them to offset the difference in fuel economy running(It is no where near as big of a difference cruising as many like to think it is, the big difference is trolling and slow speed running where DFI's and 4 strokes shine, but DFI's still win in almost ALL scenarios for economy). GOOD 2 stroke outboards in the 200-250HP size can fetch $2-5K down here a piece, and surprisingly the prices just seem to keep climbing for them(most likely for people with older hulls where 4 strokes weight the transom down to the point the boat's ride goes to crap ruining the boat).

I don't know anything about the north coast. I do know the blackwatch is a deep V hull built off of the old BERTRAM molds, and is known to be a soft riding hull, but likes to rock and roll on the drift, and is a bit power hungry with the deep V(not a good starting point if you're concerned with MPG's). PROLINE has had some very hit or miss hulls. Later boats were a real tossup after the plant got bought out, and they started shifting production all over the place. I believe the buyout was around 04 or 05, and shortly there after the name was gone. I was never a fan of there later model euro styled hulls. Grady's fetch big money just because it's a Grady. I would be looking at a PARKER if you could swing the money, or even a HYDRA-SPORTS in that size range if range is a concern. Theres alot of good boats out there, just need a solid game plan in mind of what you want.

[inaforty]

We owned a 2120 Sport cabin Parker. Built very well. Linwood and Robin Parker are excellent folks. However that 2120 SC gave a terrible ride!

We were just looking at a 26' Blackwatch listed here in Westport MA for 22k.

[spareparts]

If you told me I had to pick a 23 ft boat, id say 23-24 SeaVee, Contender, white water, formula, Albermarle, and all their clones as they are the same hull. The 23 Sea Craft runs a close second along with the 25 Sea Craft if you want to run twins. The next step up would be the 26 Bertram, Ive been impressed with the hull over and over again. Granted, these hulls are based on not being able to afford current new boats. Once you get above 26 ft, there are many options available, but for all us poor folks, the hulls I listed are the best options I know of

[cfelton]

I love the old Bertrams too, Albemarle boats are built close to me in Edenton and are really nice too! I think my favorite is Carolina Classic, love the flare and lines! Almost like an overgrown V20!

[SkunkBoat]

I love the old Bertrams too, Albemarle boats are built close to me in Edenton and are really nice too! I think my favorite is Carolina Classic, love the flare and lines! Almost like an overgrown V20!
Yes I've posted before that it is my dream boat. I could get a 25 with a jackshaft single i/o, even a deisel, in my price range but after long consideration I decided to look for twin OB boats with bigger fuel tanks and range. They make beautiful Carolinas now with bracket OBs but I won't afford one for 20 years...
Converting an old one isn't the same. The new ones moved a bigger fuel tank to the engine bay and puts in-deck fish boxes where the fuel tanks were.

[randlemanboater]

A friend of mine had one of those North Coast's back in the early 90's, he loved it. If you have any specific questions about them let me know and I can ask him.

Like Ferm said, 2-smokes sell like hotcakes around here too.

Proline made some boats that were based on Donzi hulls with sharper deadrises that I like the looks of, but it is a little tough figuring out which ones they are because Proline changed their model numbers so often.

[phatdaddy]

one more

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/873495-25-ft-sea-ray-1996-a.html

[bradford]

Them some pretty boy seats on that one Phat.

[phatdaddy]

Yeah, I didn't know lazy boy had a marine division

[randlemanboater]

Anyone have any experience with Shamrock boats? I find the 22 footer with the keel very interesting in center console or walkaround.

Just not sure if I am competent enough to operate a single engine inboard around docks, putting on the trailer, and in some of the shallow waters I end up in, but everything I see says the 22 only has a 2 foot draft.

[randlemanboater]

one more

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/873495-25-ft-sea-ray-1996-a.html

That is a Laguna 24...with some deluxe seats.

[SkunkBoat]

We owned a 2120 Sport cabin Parker. Built very well. Linwood and Robin Parker are excellent folks. However that 2120 SC gave a terrible ride!

We were just looking at a 26' Blackwatch listed here in Westport MA for 22k.

You can get Parker 25s with a deep v. That used to be one of my "stare too long" boats but once I got on one, or rather IN one, I didn't like it. Step down into cabin, too closed in... and lots of "carpet". Love all the deck space but freeboard way too low, practically knee height. Great boat for hauling crab pots in a bay but not quite right for offshore.

[SkunkBoat]

Anyone have any experience with Shamrock boats? I find the 22 footer with the keel very interesting in center console or walkaround.

Just not sure if I am competent enough to operate a single engine inboard around docks, putting on the trailer, and in some of the shallow waters I end up in, but everything I see says the 22 only has a 2 foot draft.

Shamrock made a clone of the 24' North Coast.
The 20 Pilot House looks cool. and the Predator.

[phatdaddy]

Be careful on the shamrocks, lot of them have stringer issues. Apparently they just anchored the motor mounts with lag screws, no sealants. There is a charter guy here that takes older ones, re-habs 'em and works them for a couple of seasons, then repeats the process.

[chart]

A boat that was interesting to me was the Four Winns Quest 267 it was 26 foot that had the motor in the center of the boat and a drive shaft to an out-drive. Looked at a couple but never bought one.

[randlemanboater]

Yeah, I really like the idea of i/o power using jack shafts, Albemarle used to build them like that, maybe they still do.

All this big talk about big boats, and I am still just dreaming...

[THEFERMANATOR]

I like the jackshaft design as well. All of the weight forward advantages of a straight inboard, and all the advantages of an i/o with being able to trim the drive for shallow operation or just better running performance and docking ability. My ultimate dreamboat would be a 29 blackfin with a pair of yanmar 315HP straight 6's in it. Take and convert it using a pair Konrad duo prop out drives. It would keep all that cockpit space they have, an actual functional cabin, flybridge, and to me make it the ultimate compromise boat. I'll never have a boat again that is too large to put on a trailer, and it's been proven with a folding tower and good trailer the 29 blackfin can fit on a trailer and is low enough to go down most roads, and switching to outdrives should make it even easier to get it sat down low on a trailer. And it is supposed to be one of the biggest riding under 30 footers ever built. With a pair of 315HP yanmars they are supposed to be pretty fast, and switching to outdrives normally gains 20-30% in top speed making it even faster.

If I ever win the powerball, I'll find out of my theory about it is correct.

[SkunkBoat]

probably gonna drop a wad of cash on this one tonight. Have a test run at 5pm.

2000
Yamaha OX66 2 stroke 225s. I think I heard they are really good engines?

[BillTex]

probably gonna drop a wad of cash on this one tonight. Have a test run at 5pm.

2000
Yamaha OX66 2 stroke 225s. I think I heard they are really good engines?

Nice...that is def on my list of "next boats".
They are hard to come by!

Good luck, Bill

[SkunkBoat]

probably gonna drop a wad of cash on this one tonight. Have a test run at 5pm.

2000
Yamaha OX66 2 stroke 225s. I think I heard they are really good engines?

$22k picking up this weekend:sun:

[BillTex]

$22k picking up this weekend:sun:
Really? For a 265 express?!
That's unreal...congrats!

Pics!

[randlemanboater]

Has Suzuki gotten any better with corrosion protection?

https://treasure.craigslist.org/boa/d/25-ft-ranger-cc-with-top/6347424191.html

I really like the Ranger 250C, and I like the idea of a newer single 300 4 stroke.

I hear a lot of talk about Suzuki's being prone to corrosion, although my 14 year experience with my Johnzuki 140 has been nothing but positive.

[SkunkBoat]

Has Suzuki gotten any better with corrosion protection?

https://treasure.craigslist.org/boa/d/25-ft-ranger-cc-with-top/6347424191.html

I really like the Ranger 250C, and I like the idea of a newer single 300 4 stroke.

I hear a lot of talk about Suzuki's being prone to corrosion, although my 14 year experience with my Johnzuki 140 has been nothing but positive.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Suzuki. They are no more or less likely to have a problem than any other major brand. While looking at boats during my search, every 2003 Yamaha 4 stroke made the point of saying that the exhaust (corrosion) had been replaced. I can say that my 140zuki looks a lot better at 14 years than my Merc150 did at 11 years, Tstat holes were a corroded mess.
But Yamaha and Mercury make good motors too.

[THEFERMANATOR]

As far as I know, Suzuki is still one of the worst for corrosion. They use ALOT of zincs in them to help deal with it. For a newer engine like that,vyou do have the advantage of knowing it should still be good, and you could keep on the flushing and protection. Yamaha is still the best from what I've seen. Yes there were some problem childs like the 1st big 4 strokes, but they have gotten those issues worked out(I know of an 05 225 that gets used strictly in salt water, only gets flushed via the flush hose hookup for 2 or 3 minutes, and that engine is great with virtually no corrosion). I don't have much experience with Honda, but I know Spare says they're the worst, and I would be inclined to believe him from the amount of corrosion that was on my 05 75hp that had very little use in salt water. And I would say Evinrude and Merc are top notch as well.

The biggest killer in salt water is lack of preventative maintence. Keep them flushed, change the zincs every couple of years, spray em down with corrosion block every month or so, and most any of them will treat you well.

[spareparts]

They seem to have gotten better, but its hard to say as there are far less around here than there used to be. Sea Fox flooded the market with Suzukis and the Bomb dealers were selling repainted Suzukis as Evinrude 4 strokes from 2000 to around 2005. Suzuki got a black eye around here not only for their corrosion, but for their crappy warranty and the way they handled it. I was getting pretty competitive prices on Yamaha engines till very recently. I now have a source of new Suzuki engines and am planning on going to Suzuki school this spring. Looks like I will be finding more out about them soon. Mercury still has the best corrosion protection Ive seen, but Im noticing now some sub assemblies on Mercs are corroding faster than other parts on them(lower units) that leads me to believe they are outsourcing some casting to other places since they closed down Stillwater. Since OMC/Bomb changed their casting in the late 90s I havent been impressed with their corrosion protection, hard to tell about the newer Bomb product as their are so few in this area(<50?). Yamaha does a decent job on their product, but I'm rarely able to get a Yamaha lower unit apart. Usually it comes apart in pieces. The 2 stroke Yamaha inlines corroded thru the cylinder head fairly often. Ive been doing my fair share of V6 fourstroike exhuast updates as well. Hondas are still alka seltzers in salt.

My father in law, was in the Navy, he told me there's nothing in this world that Salt Water or a Marine couldnt F... up

[BillTex]

Our last boat had a zuke on it...(year 2000). One of the best motors I ever ran; quiet,efficient, trolled all day.
I would not hesitate to run zukes again.


Bill

[randlemanboater]

Well if the guy ever returns my calls, text, or emails, I will likely go look at it and buy it if the pictures are an accurate portrayal.

[randlemanboater]

Well, my discussion of larger boats has concluded. After almost a month of trying to get in touch with the sellers of the Ranger 250c listed above, I finally got them. I drove down and checked it out, it was better than described, and I drug it back home from Florida.

It's a 1995 boat and 2015 300 Suzuki with 108 hrs on it.

I will put up some pics in the next few days when I figure out how again (post photobucket).

[phatdaddy]

Congrats

Imgur for photos

[SkunkBoat]

:sun:

[randlemanboater]

https://i.imgur.com/aY65mL7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zhDsihQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VDHqZQg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FtVzKWg.jpg

These are mostly pics from the CL ad, except the last one that shows how HUGE the 300 Suzuki is.

It actually looks even better now after a good cleaning, I am very happy!

[SkunkBoat]

c'mon let's see it!:pic:

[randlemanboater]

https://i.imgur.com/aY65mL7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zhDsihQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VDHqZQg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FtVzKWg.jpg

These are mostly pics from the CL ad, except the last one that shows how HUGE the 300 Suzuki is.

It actually looks even better now after a good cleaning, I am very happy!

:beer: