More BS about going fast....

[bgreene]

Now that my rig runs to 50mph...... it does seem very close to a " stable top speed. "

At that speed it still feels solid, but getting a little loose too.

So, for the couple of you with V's rigged to run 55 - 60 +, how's the handling at that speed ?

[captpete13]

Mine feels good at speed. Unless I'm trimmed to the max in a small chop. Then she gets a little loose feeling. But that is when it runs the fastest.

[SkunkBoat]

my 4 stroke 140 is really stable as I pass by the gas dock...

[reelapeelin]

:you::haha::you::haha:my 4 stroke 140 is really stable as I pass by the gas dock...

[captpete13]

Hey my Opti gets 3-3.5 mpg at cruise speeds. And thats 30kts! Not bad for a two stroke.

[randlemanboater]

my 4 stroke 140 is really stable as I pass by the gas dock...

X2 :beer:

[Cam]

With the wind at my back, I am lucky to hit 30-35 MPH. But I am happy!!!!

[bgreene]

So what ? No one's running over 50 mph ?

I know we have two..........an 1/0 that ran 65 or more.........and maybe Destroyer's boat ?
An outboard CC V that runs 60 mph.

Yup, I'm bored.

[smokeonthewater]

My V was rock solid at 75 mph on the way home when I got it.... didn't have a motor yet tho

[Genie Aye]

Hey my Opti gets 3-3.5 mpg at cruise speeds. And thats 30kts! Not bad for a two stroke.

I am right at the same but around 34kts--last trip out for tuna got 3.6 mpg and that is loaded down---with a two stroke too.

[RidgeRunner]

This Center Console, loves passing the fuel docks at 60. Still has plenty of feel and handling running in the mid to high 50's IMO. Last time out 58mph upwind, solo run, light,1/2 tank of fuel and icechest full, light chop 88 degrees 80% humidity, on the limiter with the prop choice. When the nose starts to float you know your speed is picking up. With a boatload of people/stuff, getting the boat to fly becomes more difficult.
As for the OptiPop on a 30knt cruise, gotta be good mileage, mine seems to be making fuel, need to hook up these Smartcraft gauges that Spareparts came up with a while back..Mileage might not be as good as the 140 4-stroke but pretty good for a 250 hp no smoke 2 stroke, most efficient in class IIRC. I will say this about the Merc, your not gonna wear out the ring gear guessing if it is running or not. :party::haha:

[draglink]

By myself, no gear, WFO and trimmed, 53mph and no worries, solid as a rock, drive with my pinky

[RidgeRunner]

By myself, no gear, WFO and trimmed, 53mph and no worries, solid as a rock, drive with my pinky

That is getting it done. My old 200 2.4 would see 48 WFO trimmed out.

[spareparts]

Ridge, what wheel were you spinning on the 2.4?

[bgreene]

This Center Console, loves passing the fuel docks at 60. Still has plenty of feel and handling running in the mid to high 50's IMO. Last time out 58mph upwind, solo run, light,1/2 tank of fuel and icechest full, light chop 88 degrees 80% humidity, on the limiter with the prop choice. When the nose starts to float you know your speed is picking up. With a boatload of people/stuff, getting the boat to fly becomes more difficult.
As for the OptiPop on a 30knt cruise, gotta be good mileage, mine seems to be making fuel, need to hook up these Smartcraft gauges that Spareparts came up with a while back..Mileage might not be as good as the 140 4-stroke but pretty good for a 250 hp no smoke 2 stroke, most efficient in class IIRC. I will say this about the Merc, your not gonna wear out the ring gear guessing if it is running or not. :party::haha:


When I jumped from 150 to 200 hp, I gained about 10 mph........so with your 250, another 50 hp........the 60 mph sounds real enough. That is fast for one of these hulls.

[draglink]

That is getting it done. My old 200 2.4 would see 48 WFO trimmed out.


I saw that speed prob 3 or 4 times on GPS before bottom paint.

Bottom painted last year (cheap Bluewater soft paint) lost 5+MPH

Bottom painted this year (Harder Woolsey paint) back to +/- 50mph

I need to work on my prop this winter. I'm turning that 2.4 around 6K. I think if I had it tweaked, get some more bite, get RPMs to around 5600 I might gain some top end

[bgreene]

This Center Console, loves passing the fuel docks at 60. Still has plenty of feel and handling running in the mid to high 50's IMO. Last time out 58mph upwind, solo run, light,1/2 tank of fuel and icechest full, light chop 88 degrees 80% humidity, on the limiter with the prop choice. When the nose starts to float you know your speed is picking up. With a boatload of people/stuff, getting the boat to fly becomes more difficult.
As for the OptiPop on a 30knt cruise, gotta be good mileage, mine seems to be making fuel, need to hook up these Smartcraft gauges that Spareparts came up with a while back..Mileage might not be as good as the 140 4-stroke but pretty good for a 250 hp no smoke 2 stroke, most efficient in class IIRC. I will say this about the Merc, your not gonna wear out the ring gear guessing if it is running or not. :party::haha:


Part of what's interesting is the EFFICIENCY you're able to achieve.......fastest speed meaning getting most from the hull, engine, prop, engine height all together. Lowest amount of drag and maximum push per horse power.
Is that a stock engine, and what's the actual hp rating at the prop ?
What prop are you running - size and pitch ?

[RidgeRunner]

Current Prop is a Quicksilver 14.8 x 21p. 5900 RPM limiter 58.1 mph
With the setback I have the motor as high as it will go and maintain water pressure. My spare prop is a Tempest 14.5 x 23p and is the fastest prop I have, light load turning 5900 rpm 60.1 mph. The motor is a stock 250 XS Merc. I think 250 is about where it is at for hp. The old 250 EFI had a better power to weight ratio so it was faster, retired because it used twice as much fuel. The best I ever saw was 63.1 upwind, down current with the 23p Tempest on the limiter. It dawned on me later that I could have had a 2 to 3 MPH current that day..

None of these top end numbers are very efficient, lots of prop slip. My MPH could be much better if I shed the T-top and baitwell/leaning post combo. That has got to be costing me some efficiency.

[bgreene]

Current Prop is a Quicksilver 14.8 x 21p. 5900 RPM limiter 58.1 mph
With the setback I have the motor as high as it will go and maintain water pressure. My spare prop is a Tempest 14.5 x 23p and is the fastest prop I have, light load turning 5900 rpm 60.1 mph. The motor is a stock 250 XS Merc. I think 250 is about where it is at for hp. The old 250 EFI had a better power to weight ratio so it was faster, retired because it used twice as much fuel. The best I ever saw was 63.1 upwind, down current with the 23p Tempest on the limiter. It dawned on me later that I could have had a 2 to 3 MPH current that day..

None of these top end numbers are very efficient, lots of prop slip. My MPH could be much better if I shed the T-top and baitwell/leaning post combo. That has got to be costing me some efficiency.

Wonder how it would run with a 300 ?

[spareparts]

Ridge, with the 2.4, not the 3.0L

[bgreene]

Current Prop is a Quicksilver 14.8 x 21p. 5900 RPM limiter 58.1 mph
With the setback I have the motor as high as it will go and maintain water pressure. My spare prop is a Tempest 14.5 x 23p and is the fastest prop I have, light load turning 5900 rpm 60.1 mph. The motor is a stock 250 XS Merc. I think 250 is about where it is at for hp. The old 250 EFI had a better power to weight ratio so it was faster, retired because it used twice as much fuel. The best I ever saw was 63.1 upwind, down current with the 23p Tempest on the limiter. It dawned on me later that I could have had a 2 to 3 MPH current that day..

None of these top end numbers are very efficient, lots of prop slip. My MPH could be much better if I shed the T-top and baitwell/leaning post combo. That has got to be costing me some efficiency.

Might even go faster if you jumped overboard to reduce some weight after getting it fully trimmed out ?

[RidgeRunner]

Definitely faster without me.
300 has been considered.
Wonder what a 280 would do with the right prop? That would be interesting especially with 2 hung back there.. Hang em right on the transom. I am fairly sure twins would negate the effect of the round keel and reduce the propensity for chine-walk.

Spare, 2.4 what? Twin Bridgeports would be ERA correct.. Cool would be the Twin Towers of Power 1500xs.

[smokeonthewater]

I keep wondering what twin 1150's would do (knowing I could later swap in bigger powerheads) but honestly I think I'd rather just have a much more modern engine even if I didn't get as much top speed

[spareparts]

Ridge, you said the boat ran 48 with teh 2.4 200, what prop were you running on it at the time?

BTW, if stumble across a twin of my brown stripe 200, i might have to get a bracket and run the pair, it would be fun. Marc posted some video of his Seavee running across the harbor running round 70, those choppers he's running make a nice rooster tail

[RidgeRunner]

17P Quicksilver to about 6100 RPM 48MPH IIRC. (Don't tell Ozzie) I posted it way back when.. 5800 with the 19p Quicksilver at about 46mph. The motor was sound when he got it. LOL!

[spareparts]

my V showed up with a small ear 21 on teh 2.4 200, I've never put the boat in teh water, I'm curious to what it will run, if it doesn't run fast enough, I'll throw another motor on it

[Genie Aye]

I just ordered a NOS 150 shot for the E-TEC---

Figure the way the hp vs speed is working---should be able to switch from my 19p to a 23p chopper and hit in the neighborhood of 70+


:laugh:

[RidgeRunner]

I think a Superboat would run 70+ with my current engine. Looking for a cheap interesting go-fast hull for the 250 I have in the barn. I been down the Nitrous road Genie. Word association = Pistons. The first time you mash the button and nothing happens because your tank is empty, Waa Waa Waaaaaaaa. Exhilarating blast for sure, let us know how that works out. Pics too if you please. Hell you will probably be too busy cleaning fish to do the install, we understand.

Spare, just go ahead and build the twin powered 20 you know you want to.

BTW- Nearly a complete derail but-- Anybody got their eye on the Louis Vitton/America's Cup boats. The new style hydrofoil cats with the semi-solid wing. Holy crap I bet that is a rush to have a 14,000 lb boat rise up on the surfboard size foils and utterly take off. They are doing 40knts in a 23knt wind ?? Talk about using leverage to harness the wind.

[spareparts]

Marc was talking about selling his super boat the other day. He took it out for a spin, hit 86 with the home brewed 300 3.0l. Said he's gonna keep it now

[Genie Aye]

I would not do nos--I learned many moon ago about that--lol=$$


I am way to happy the way it is--if I want to go that fast I will go out on my buddy 38 fountain--103+--crazy

[bgreene]

I just ordered a NOS 150 shot for the E-TEC---

Figure the way the hp vs speed is working---should be able to switch from my 19p to a 23p chopper and hit in the neighborhood of 70+


:laugh:

Kidding ?

[RidgeRunner]

Last time out, yesterday actually. 7 people, 50.6 MPH No way to get the nose up with 4 people sitting in the bow. With all these people she was a pig. Don't everybody go to the same side at once now. LOL. On the bright side, with all this weight the V does its thing above average, crossing wakes and such. Cruising was 37 MPH at 4200. Fished four over the weekend, or salt water catfest as I like to call it. Rainy weather has the Suwanee flooded. Scalloping wasn't gonna happen, water was stained and murky. Swimming was a success and we ate a lot.. good stuff.. Limearita what?

[bgreene]

Heard of one V that hit 75 mph going over the Niagra Falls......that's serious top speed.

[bradford]

Spare do you have that vid of your buddy's SeaVee?

Ridge, what kind of go fast hull are you thinking? I cruise craigslist all the time even waaaaay outside my local area, and love finding cheap and interesting deals. I could be on the lookout for you. I have a knack for finding stuff.

[spareparts]

I think I do, but I'm having issues with my email, I'll check again later

[RidgeRunner]

Bradford, I don't have a preset disposition to any one length brand or even hull type. I am looking right now, trying to get the house paid and a youngster raised. I like fast but have seen how easy fast can turn sour, accidents happen in a split second. Maybe a Trawler. You got a Mckee or Whaler I can pick-up cheap for a tender?

[Destroyer]

Bradford, I don't have a preset disposition to any one length brand or even hull type. I am looking right now, trying to get the house paid and a youngster raised. I like fast but have seen how easy fast can turn sour, accidents happen in a split second. Maybe a Trawler. You got a Mckee or Whaler I can pick-up cheap for a tender?

I love trawlers...especially the ones with a sail in the middle. Give me enough money, one of those boats and I'm off around the world. It's not on my bucket list, since I can't even think of affording it... but it's certainly on my "if I had a dream" list. Maybe if I hit the lottery... <sigh>

[Pipe_Dream]

I love trawlers...especially the ones with a sail in the middle. Give me enough money, one of those boats and I'm off around the world. It's not on my bucket list, since I can't even think of affording it... but it's certainly on my "if I had a dream" list. Maybe if I hit the lottery... <sigh>

Food for thought . . .
http://www.amazon.com/Leap-Faith-Quit-Your-Live/dp/1478720921/?_encoding=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&keywords=leap%20of%20faith%20Ed%20Robinson&linkCode=ur2&qid=1378845109&s=books&sr=1-1&tag=insta0c-20

[spareparts]

i worked on a 58 Offshore the other day, I can say, it was pretty nice. The fast trawlers (Offshore, Fleming, Defever) are my kind of ride

[Destroyer]

Food for thought . . .
http://www.amazon.com/Leap-Faith-Quit-Your-Live/dp/1478720921/?_encoding=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&keywords=leap%20of%20faith%20Ed%20Robinson&linkCode=ur2&qid=1378845109&s=books&sr=1-1&tag=insta0c-20

Thanks Pipe... I'm going to order that book. Not that I have any illusions about me doing it, but it looks like a good read.

[bgreene]

You all writing about trawlers now........the joy of runing 8 knots all day long on just 14 ounces of fuel etc, etc, etc etc.........


SPEED is what we're after. Pushing the V until the bow lifts and the boat flips, or....the bow digs, and it flips the other way. Ok..........or, the boat just chine walks till it goes out of control and breaks apart. Fun ?