my project wellcraft 180 fisherman

[mannydvk11]

well this is my new project i pick this boat out of craigslist for a good price i hope i bring this boat back to ship shape and be able to enjoy it i love fishing so this can be a grate little project well here are some pics of the progress so far


here is when i got the boat

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/057F7A41-EA4A-4AF4-96C3-E0B3AE3BB874-4717-000006811723BE59_zpsb484e371.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/1B7764B4-7ADD-4058-A0F4-ABFDC71DDC78-4717-0000068117C550D7_zps92007491.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/70EE72B6-6B28-4BBA-B002-897F17F072D3-4717-0000068118126760_zps2ae9e37b.jpg

here is what i have done so far

remove and clean all the wires from cc


http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/DFBFB637-123C-41C0-A6B7-2C77C6327DE3-1071-000001078773FB5F_zps663fa7ad.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/9679C6D2-B6BA-4F97-B87C-E71FAC592537-1071-000001077EE2BD62_zpsa28ed57f.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/A8164670-A65C-4CCA-AA94-397C0556AE4F-1071-0000010766DC68D7_zps218e0d1a.jpg


remove gas tank to clean good thing i did that i found the gas tank had a small hole in it

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/241B440D-5DC8-467C-B8C3-48DBB762E177-1071-0000010795522DA6_zps99f3fe95.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/5EE209D0-789F-41A4-8407-8A64110D1BBF-1071-000001078245BB8B_zpscd36e971.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/2C4D1CFA-7E50-48D3-A4AE-627C9CCDEE6B-1071-000001076E2EB571_zps10a9e5da.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/7E05F6EB-905B-4FEB-B523-98F497C65309-1071-000001077BCC9DB6_zps060731e7.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/9679C6D2-B6BA-4F97-B87C-E71FAC592537-1071-000001077EE2BD62_zpsa28ed57f.jpg

the motor

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/FBE878FB-14C9-4BA3-B5E2-F8B281412F02-1071-000001079995B2FD_zps9da6dd72.jpg


http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/1685A733-BA8C-4FD0-810E-E18908ED7CEA-1071-000001075B380D6F_zps82761647.jpg


well so far that's what i have done i will do some more work during the week i will keep posting

[mannydvk11]

now i have some questions to you guys regarding the gas tank should i replace it fix it like patching up the hole or should i cover the old gas tank are and add a small gas tank

the motor lots of ppl say they are bad are they really should i even try to fix it

thanks guys for the opinions and any Questions

[spareparts]

spend the money and put a new tank in place, yo won't regret it

[GREYWOLF]

looks good, I agrere buy a new tank , when you remove the old tank you will get a good look at the stringers and plumbing systems . nice find

[mannydvk11]

How about the motor should I rebuilt o just get a difrent one have any one change the bracket to be able to stear and tilt with a difrent bracket using the omc

This is the bracket I order

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/99F495F7-1005-4B92-A320-7C458C332EAB-1378-000001186D024F8F_zps53882cae.jpg

This is how I wanted to look

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Hiyl1Dl-iF0/TQV0BNWpXfI/AAAAAAAAD1U/_ClAZ3xip-8/s640/2010-12-12%20044.JPG

[mannydvk11]

guys i have a new question i am debating if i cut the transom to put the engine what will be the right way to do that also i am thinking on not reusing my gas tank will be a good idea to cover the hole not put the tank and use one of those portable ones reason why is my tank have a small hole in


my main concern about the platform is my friends boat have one similar to the one i like and every time he open up the bow go up hi he had to get bigger tabs to be able to control that i am not looking to spend to much extra money and if i get the platform it sure looks good but my ride will be a pain

if i do this will i have to cut the top of my transom or i can use it like this

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/3Ee3Ie3M75L95I55Kad2p6e3375d8810b16a9_zps9731f6cd. jpg

[phatdaddy]

not sure i am understanding, are you considering cutting the top off of the transom and then cutting a notch to accept a conventional outboard mount. when you remove the seadrive mount there should be a small hole in the center that your cables ran through and then 6 or 8 holes that the bracket was mounted with. you should have a pretty clean palate to start your rebuild. check the transom for rot, if ok just fill & patch the holds.
i think you would be money & looks ahead to dump the seadrive, mount either bracket you pictured, and get another motor.

[mannydvk11]

Well my problem is I don't want to cut the top every one is telling me I won't be able to mount the motor and trim up plus it will obstructing the steering my idea is to get a bracket to move the motor back so I can steer and be able to move up the trim I like the platform but if I do get it also will need to get trim taps that is adding to the project

[phatdaddy]

your right about the metalbracket, it would not work on a closed transom. the armstrong in the pic with the motor or the first pic would work.

here's a couple of links to help you:

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?t=5043&highlight=bracket+conversion&page=3

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?t=10038&highlight=i%2Fo+conversion

i do think on an 18, squatting in the stern is going to be a problem. you will probably need to go to an older 4 cyl 2 stroke & move as much weight forward as possible.

[mannydvk11]

thanks for the links and yes i am looking in to a 115 HP everude witch is similar to the omc i will have to change the lower unit because is a 20" and i need a 24" i was told i can use the power unit with that now my new concern with that will be the steering connected to the omc is longer and the one connected to the everude is short i have to figure out how to transplant that power head to the omc

or can i just put the 20" with out changing anything

[smokeonthewater]

If I'm understanding you right I'd say that if the tilt/trim and steering on the seadrive works then yes just swap the powerhead and any needed linkage brackets and ur good to go.

[mannydvk11]

If I'm understanding you right I'd say that if the tilt/trim and steering on the seadrive works then yes just swap the powerhead and any needed linkage brackets and ur good to go.

for what i was told today by my friend who is a marine mechanic the hear o power unit fit my omc lower unit what i am concern is the steering part witch is connected to the Johnson is short and the omc is long i think it can be change

[smokeonthewater]

I MAY be wrong but I believe the steering arm connects to the mid section and not the power head

[mannydvk11]

I MAY be wrong but I believe the steering arm connects to the mid section and not the power head


yes you are right but the part witch connects to the trim/tilt is diffident on the omc

[mannydvk11]

if i add a bracket can i adjust the position of the 20" motor or will it be to low

[Kracker Jack]

if i add a bracket can i adjust the position of the 20" motor or will it be to low

The vertical shaft!!!! I had the same problem on another boat I had. What year is your motor your trying to hook up to the sea drive? If you go with the seadrive.

[Kracker Jack]

if i add a bracket can i adjust the position of the 20" motor or will it be to low

The issues with a bracket and a 20" inch motor is constantly swamping the motor when you come off plane.

[smokeonthewater]

I guess I'm not understanding something... as far as I know the power head swap shouldn't affect any steering, tilt/trim, shaft length, or anything else below the engine block...... I don't understand why you would be concerned with those things

[smokeonthewater]

ok I get it... you are flopping back and forth from using the seadrive to swapping it out for a bracket......

Sure you COULD use the 20" on a bracket but as Kracker said it will be prone to swamping.

[mannydvk11]

The only part I will like to use from the sea drive is the lower part so I can convert the 20" to 24 but by doing that I will have to figure out how to change there is a part under the stearing witch conect the tilt/trim in the 20 is short look at this Pic

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/2E0470FE-D7D6-4826-A1E8-9EED5F01DC92-1862-0000021D02744EB1_zpsd3310c5b.jpg

[Kracker Jack]

Ok so what I see is that you have a 25" motor/seadrive set up. I sold mine about 8 months ago that was a 20' motor/seadrive set up. so you are trying to put a 20" motor on a seadrive that is set up for 25" motor,it had the shorter 4 bolt pivot piece on it. you either have to get that 4 bolt pivot piece on the seadrive in a 20" or you have to swap out power heads off your other motor to the one you have pictured. Im still kinda confused, your verbage kind of jumps around making it confusing. hopefully we are on the right track now. where are you located?

[smokeonthewater]

I think I FINALLY understand.... you are absolutely wanting to get rid of the seadrive and go to a bracket but you want to convert the 20" motor to 25" with parts from the seadrive unit..... correct?

[mannydvk11]

I think I FINALLY understand.... you are absolutely wanting to get rid of the seadrive and go to a bracket but you want to convert the 20" motor to 25" with parts from the seadrive unit..... correct?

Yes you are correct sorry guys am trying to explain the best I can

[phatdaddy]

manny, saw this on tht, thought you might be interested

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-how-s/488554-1985-wellcraft-180-fish-rebuild.html

[mannydvk11]

That's a really nice build I have check my stringers and the transom and is dry only small problem I found was small rod on the circle hole witch is no problem ill fix it soon

Just a small update on what am doing I am sanding the floor so I can painted also looking on some none skit paint to apply I will be showing pics soon also fixing the wires on the center console am planing on rewriting the batteries to the front I got a new fuse box with I will rewire to pics comming soon

[mannydvk11]

guys what if i just put the 20" on a hydraulic jack plate

[smokeonthewater]

that won't get the powerhead any further from the prop which must be in the water... will still be prone to swamping......



WHY not just KEEP the seadrive and put the powerhead on it??

[mannydvk11]

There is some parts witch need to be replace in the bracket of the cea drive like the pump and the hoses one of the cilinders looks like is about to go it has a small leak lol and most important I don't like the bracket

What I was thinking is installing the 20" on a new bracket the omc bracket is to old and parts are hard to get I will like something I can get easy

[phatdaddy]

have you found another engine that is 20" and are trying to use that? where are you located? 25" 4 cyl 2 strokes are not that rare.

[mannydvk11]

Yes I have a guy he is giving a good deal on a Johnson 115 20" with controls trim gauges cables everything for 400

[smokeonthewater]

It COULD be done but IMHO it would be a bad choice.... If you can't afford a 25" motor right now you may be stuck with temporarily patching up the seadrive until you can source the parts to convert the 20" to a 25"...

Otherwise, you might want to just wait till you can source everything needed to hang a bracketed 25"er on there

[Kracker Jack]

Manny I'm following your thread and you seem to be all over the place bud. First things first Rome was not built in a day. Second thing is I see in one comment that you ordered a bracket and in a nother comment you want to use a jack plate. You don't have enough backset to use a jack plate because you have a solid transom,just remember you have to tilt and trim the motor. You have a perfect setup to do a bracket conversion ideally with a 25" inch motor and have a really nice rig. If you order the bracket and put the 20" motor on it then you gotta do what ya gotta do, just remember you are gonna want to bring it up to a 25 " at some point. I'm building my boat to a 20" inch transom mount setup but I have already set in my mind that it will be converted to a solid transom with a 25" and a bracket within 2 years, I'm just dealing with what I have for the time being. I wish you all the luck on your build we are here to help which ever way you go with it.

[smokeonthewater]

pretty sure he was asking if he could use the jackplate WITH the bracket to keep the motor from swamping

[mannydvk11]

pretty sure he was asking if he could use the jackplate WITH the bracket to keep the motor from swamping


yes smokeonthewater that is what i was asking i also show different types of bracket to see witch one can work better with out me cutting the transom and had to make a wash area i like my close transom also i am trying to save as much as i can from the old omc with out using the power head but i have no choice to discard that idea i have no experience when it comes to boats that's why i have a bit difficulty explaining and trying to get a solution to my problems witch they are simple i see now i have to get a 25" motor and a bracket witch it comes to my other question how far back dose the bracket needs to be for the motor

thanks guys for all the help and trying to figure out this problems :head:

[spareparts]

I seen a guy here locally that kept the bracket part of the seadrive and rigged up a plate to mount his engine to it. He left the sea drive in the down position and just used the trim on the outboard. I thought about doing that on my old proline, but after feeling just how heavy that seadrive bracket is after I took it off(got like $60 for it as scrap). I would recommend pulling it off and finding a regular bracket. On my proline, it was easy to cut the transom down and make a regular transom out of it, it had a filler panel that was held in place with two screws and some silicone, after I pulled it out, I cut the transom down and reglassed over the fresh wood. The liner for the boat was the same liner used for either set up. If your boat has a nice molded liner dedicated for use on teh seadrive, I'd keep looking for a bracket. I've seen nice ones on line for $500

[spareparts]

after going back and looking at all the pics, i would NOT recommend cutting the transom down. Next, whats wrong with the seadrive? is the bracket and trim still working? If the power head is bad, it may be easier to swap power heads.

Look around at local marina's to see what a used one goes for, you don't need the swim platform part, just the basic bracket. Do you know anyone that can weld aluminum? I've seen plenty home made brackets that look good. Worse comes to worse, check with your local tech school, see if they have night time welding classes, usually the welding teacher is a retired professional welder and does a little side work making things

[phatdaddy]

mj had a good thread when he converted his i/o to a bracket. maybe he will post a link to it. it had a lot of pics and great info about set back and engine height. i think you would need a 20-24 inch setback

[mannydvk11]

I seen a guy here locally that kept the bracket part of the seadrive and rigged up a plate to mount his engine to it. He left the sea drive in the down position and just used the trim on the outboard. I thought about doing that on my old proline, but after feeling just how heavy that seadrive bracket is after I took it off(got like $60 for it as scrap). I would recommend pulling it off and finding a regular bracket. On my proline, it was easy to cut the transom down and make a regular transom out of it, it had a filler panel that was held in place with two screws and some silicone, after I pulled it out, I cut the transom down and reglassed over the fresh wood. The liner for the boat was the same liner used for either set up. If your boat has a nice molded liner dedicated for use on teh seadrive, I'd keep looking for a bracket. I've seen nice ones on line for $500


I like my full transom is in good condition I will get a bracket because I don't like the cea drive bracket at all and I also was going to buy a swim platform with the bracket but I stop for a bit the reason why I stop is because I was rushing in to it with out know what's going on now I know there is difrent brackets out there

[mannydvk11]

mj had a good thread when he converted his i/o to a bracket. maybe he will post a link to it. it had a lot of pics and great info about set back and engine height. i think you would need a 20-24 inch setback


There is a bracket for sale and is around 26" I think that probably can work

[spareparts]

I'll get some pics of my buddies sea vee, he used a regular bracket then welded two pieces of tubing to the bracket that bent around, He inlaid the area with teak and it turned into a nice swim platform

[mannydvk11]

I'll get some pics of my buddies sea vee, he used a regular bracket then welded two pieces of tubing to the bracket that bent around, He inlaid the area with teak and it turned into a nice swim platform

Thanks that can help and it can be good idea

[Kracker Jack]

yes smokeonthewater that is what i was asking i also show different types of bracket to see witch one can work better with out me cutting the transom and had to make a wash area i like my close transom also i am trying to save as much as i can from the old omc with out using the power head but i have no choice to discard that idea i have no experience when it comes to boats that's why i have a bit difficulty explaining and trying to get a solution to my problems witch they are simple i see now i have to get a 25" motor and a bracket witch it comes to my other question how far back dose the bracket needs to be for the motor

thanks guys for all the help and trying to figure out this problems :head:

I completely misunderstood your direction. I thought you were trying to use a jack plate as a bracket. my fault bud.

[mannydvk11]

It's ok we are here to help out and that's what you guys are doing

[Kracker Jack]

I found this pic for ya showing platform added with aluminum tubing. This is based on a stainless bracket.

[mannydvk11]

that is a good idea

[spareparts]

here's my friends sea vee, he welded the Armstrong ladder mount to the tubing as well

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n175/spareparts_photos/Marcs%20stuff/P8082817.jpg

[mannydvk11]

Wow that is some nice work what type of wood he use

[spareparts]

He builds T-Tops for a living, so the welding is easy for him, the bracket and steps were painted with awlgrip paint. The wood is either teak or ipe decking, I can't remember which

[mannydvk11]

He did really nice work and is something different tell him I will steal the idea

[spareparts]

there are two pieces of flat bar welded to teh round bar and the bracket to support the wood

[mannydvk11]

well i had some time today to sand the floor and give it some paint also was able to pic up the new motor i will show some pics later here is what is done for now

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/95F30340-F9B2-4074-B5EF-93833E5298F6-1992-00000308F3CEDA08_zpsdf1e997d.jpg

new floor paint and noneskid i use the rubber type

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/A296704B-B4EC-4BD9-9A59-B0AA8DCFA254-1992-00000308F81A8936_zps3fb6f7df.jpg

i was also able to get this for good price

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/AE960B30-AC4A-428C-A16C-014860793EC7-1992-00000308FC3CDBF1_zps5f825606.jpg

[mannydvk11]

have any of you guys have done there own upholstery i am thinking on doing my leaning post

[Stinky_Hooker]

I did this one on my 18, used 3/4" treated to build the backing, then cut foam and used white vinyl. Not much to it, just use stainless staples.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/bbingsuperman/Boat/100_2856.jpg





Side view:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/bbingsuperman/Boat/100_2864.jpg

[mannydvk11]

that is cool looking tell me something what i see in your picture is 2 coolers and one bucket did you remove your gas tank i have a similar idea to add under my leaning post a life well

[mannydvk11]

today i took some time to restore the center console here is some of the stuff i have done so far

the door on the side

before
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/AD566320-0DAA-4D92-879F-935DC4D0E1C4-1471-0000010DE01BBED9_zps1ae3cf1f.jpg

after

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/6490FBD4-D9E2-4AAB-8EAB-AAF818CED162-1471-0000010DD672E91D_zps711793da.jpg

painted this part of the steering

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/8D6587DA-D3F8-43D6-8C06-37715F1ADFFA-1471-0000010DD97268F9_zps1f583b89.jpg

[mannydvk11]

can some one tell me how this work because it seem to me water can in to the boat

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/034EDCD2-DCEF-4ED3-98BA-1B9123A62739-4874-000006C318171DA4_zps5212b189.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/D6D4ECF1-D07E-45B5-84A1-A46B3D220B62-4874-000006C314E1896B_zps5041476d.jpg

[mannydvk11]

new add on

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/E13F7ADB-D20C-4B52-81E9-CAE9EB5F0631-4874-000006C31AE7B86F_zpseeb6f89d.jpg

[mannydvk11]

some updates

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/F76E33AC-1595-4F2D-A29B-92DC80877DE7-2975-0000035014D23F4E_zpsa5e791c5.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/4803787E-FBC5-490A-A2AC-C1D2D3C084C3-2975-0000035010FF9308_zps28ad9e3a.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/3EA3AE07-FAFC-4491-9265-AF1717160298-2975-0000035017A275FE_zpsda885b44.jpg

[mannydvk11]

Well some updates I just got the new bracket it was made by a local builder here in Miami I must say the craftsmanship is the best and price was good I got a grate deal

Here is how it looks
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps0b7e31d1.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsdd26d105.jpg

I will start the installation tomorrow if I can :beer:

[Curapa]

Nice.

Have you thought about dealing with the additional weight of the outboard and bracket further off the transom? My 18' had a problem with letting water in the scuppers and drains at rest with a notched transom.

[macojoe]

I had the same type on my boat, was a Stainless Marine and they weigh in at about 130 pounds. I thought it was the best upgrade I ever did to that boat!The only thing was with the bracket it steered a bit wide and more to one side then the other.
Looks sweat!

[mannydvk11]

I had the same type on my boat, was a Stainless Marine and they weigh in at about 130 pounds. I thought it was the best upgrade I ever did to that boat!The only thing was with the bracket it steered a bit wide and more to one side then the other.
Looks sweat!

thanks

i was taking measurements of the boat transom and is had to get the real center line this due to the shape i also check 2 other boats same year same model and it gave me the same according to what i saw the mold of the hall is not the same on the left side its 1/4 longer

Nice.

Have you thought about dealing with the additional weight of the outboard and bracket further off the transom? My 18' had a problem with letting water in the scuppers and drains at rest with a notched transom.


i think this bracket weight almost the same as the original the only difference is this one measure 24 and the original is 20 i think the omc bracket with everything on it including the motor weights more

[mannydvk11]

some fitting before installation just to confirm the angle and center of it lol i like the look

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps970aa7fc.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps970aa7fc.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/e35731a3-069b-4669-be7b-b568576e5ee1_zps028fc1ac.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/e35731a3-069b-4669-be7b-b568576e5ee1_zps028fc1ac.jpg.html)

more pics tomorrow

[macojoe]

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/album91/Picture_024.sized.jpg

[Curapa]

Looks like both of your boats drained into the bilge. Mine had scuppers at the transom and drains on the back sides. Water would always come through, especially with a couple if people were standing in one corner.

[macojoe]

Curapa Looks like both of your boats drained into the bilge. Mine had scuppers at the transom and drains on the back sides. Water would always come through, especially with a couple if people were standing in one corner.


Mine was a 1975 V20, His is a 18 CC, You are right mine drained to the bilge. But I think his doesn't, you can see in his earlier pic's the floor drains.

[mannydvk11]

Am sorry but I don't understand what drain

[mannydvk11]

The only drains I see are o. The floor and the go to the sides of the boat not to the bilge

[Curapa]

Yeah, I see the drain hiding behind the guide post of the trailer now.

I would plug my drains when I did not want water coming in, otherwise my feet would be wet. While landing a large fish, if two or three people were in the back corner we would be ankle deep in water.

[mannydvk11]

Yeah, I see the drain hiding behind the guide post of the trailer now.

I would plug my drains when I did not want water coming in, otherwise my feet would be wet. While landing a large fish, if two or three people were in the back corner we would be ankle deep in water.

i have being thinking to replace those things i see the ball loos like is old and bad , is it better if i just plug them off and make a drain to the bilge

[Curapa]

That's the dilemma. Close them off and loose the self bailing feature, keep them and have wet feet. I compromised and plugged the drains when needed, on cold days mostly.

[reelapeelin]

That's the dilemma. Close them off and loose the self bailing feature, keep them and have wet feet. I compromised and plugged the drains when needed, on cold days mostly.

I keep a pair of rubber plugs on board for that reason...when I'm fishing live bait and have a 30 gal tank on the deck, then two guys are at the stern, puttin out lines or playin' fish, she gets a little wet back there...other than that, I typically don't need 'em

[mannydvk11]

what i am thinking on doing is plug all the holes and drill 2 holes adding to bulkheads draining to the bilge

[mannydvk11]

well some more updates after all the rain in Florida finally i had a chance to do some work to the boat here are some pics

some fiberglass work
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps66105551.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps66105551.jpg.html)

final product for today

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsd5afb2cf.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsd5afb2cf.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsf1e99535.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsf1e99535.jpg.html)

i use this to bond

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsa0cb280a.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsa0cb280a.jpg.html)

[mannydvk11]

the motor is in :beer: lol now can any one tell me how to wire it to the gauges
some pic for updates
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsf8c387f4.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsf8c387f4.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps12158ef0.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps12158ef0.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps35e917b4.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps35e917b4.jpg.html)

[macojoe]

Don't look now but you have a hole in the transom!! :fam:

[mannydvk11]

Lol I know I have a small square of ss

[Stinky_Hooker]

Very nice!! Only other one Ive ever seen with a bracket:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/bbingsuperman/Boat/IM000033.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bbingsuperman/media/Boat/IM000033.jpg.html)



Incidentally I ran into him later that day in my 18 and had to tow him in. :haha:

[mannydvk11]

Very nice!! Only other one Ive ever seen with a bracket:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/bbingsuperman/Boat/IM000033.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bbingsuperman/media/Boat/IM000033.jpg.html)



Incidentally I ran into him later that day in my 18 and had to tow him in. :haha:

i hope i wont need to get tow that suck but his boat looks good

[slick_insanity88]

Manny.. looking good! That bracket setup looks clean, I love it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing you're in Miami judging by the 305 number on the bracket? I was born and raised there :beer:

[mannydvk11]

Manny.. looking good! That bracket setup looks clean, I love it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing you're in Miami judging by the 305 number on the bracket? I was born and raised there :beer:

thanks slick and yes i am in Miami the bracket was made by a local guy and for a grate price the craftsmanship is perfect i have no complains

dose any one know how to wire the motor to the gauges when i got this boat all the wires and fuse box was remove

[nymack66]

Manny its going to be one sweet looking V when you done.

[mannydvk11]

Thanks I allready starter to buff it and clean it here is a pic
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsfc59db0e.jpg

[mannydvk11]

hey guys can some one show me how the gas line is suppose to be setup dose the prime ball go before the filter or after the filter

thanks

[macojoe]

After!! and when replacing filter prime it full of gas before you add it, will save on pumping!

[mannydvk11]

After!! and when replacing filter prime it full of gas before you add it, will save on pumping!


thanks macojoe what should i prime the filter i have no gas in the tank right now
what will be the best way to do this

[macojoe]

with gas!!

[mannydvk11]

with gas!!

lol i meant how will be the best way to prime it after i put gas in the tank

btw here is a small update i was not going to paint the center console but i starter to the sides boxes witch hold the rods and i end up painting the center console here is some pics i will show the boxes later tomorrow

here is before
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps31ae4c0d.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps31ae4c0d.jpg.html)

and after
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsb0dc8097.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsb0dc8097.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsd00f84c6.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsd00f84c6.jpg.html)

[macojoe]

Before you screw on the new filter fill it with gas, its now primed.

[mannydvk11]

small update i just finish wiring the gauges and switches here is a pic btw don't mind the old speedometer i am not using that one but i wont pay 70 to just cover the hole :rotflmao

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps1dd1bcb4.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps1dd1bcb4.jpg.html)

[mannydvk11]

here is some updates

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsd3f6d643.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsd3f6d643.jpg.html)

now this is how my water pump was inside

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps3f3eb24c.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps3f3eb24c.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps1eaf2b11.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps1eaf2b11.jpg.html)

i install the new one and problem solve for now i am having issues starting the motor and with the rpms not showing on the tachometer

[mannydvk11]

I forgot this will go in the boat to

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps6e49efdd.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps6e49efdd.jpg.html)

[Destroyer]

Looking good. Damn, I wish we had clear water up here so we could snorkle/shallow dive. I'd love to do it, but up here you can't see more than 3 feet in front of your mask. Scares the sh!t outta me like that. There used to be an underground fed fresh water lake near here.. 15-20 feet to the bottom and you could see the bottom from the surface... Then some land developer got the great idea to fill it in and make a shopping mall... :cen: That was the end of my snorkeling/diving. <sigh>

[mannydvk11]

well i finally tested the motor here is a video of how its doing i found out there is a small pump on the side of the motor with the red nob when i unplug it the motor turns on with no problem and when i plug it back on the motor wont start what happens if i live it off do i need it

here is the video
http://vid1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/th_9C724ADF-4911-4520-859C-F797AF982106-2994-000001C7FFE3EC01_zps96965367.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/?action=view&current=9C724ADF-4911-4520-859C-F797AF982106-2994-000001C7FFE3EC01_zps96965367.mp4)

here is the small pump am talking about

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps0cea5275.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps0cea5275.jpg.html)

[Curapa]

Looks like the choke to me. I'd fix it, it will come in handy.

[mannydvk11]

I really don't know much obit outboards but what can happened if I don't have it

[spareparts]

that's the enrichener. That should only have power to it when you push the key in. Check your key switch wiring and operation, sounds like you may have a bad key switch

[mannydvk11]

that's the enrichener. That should only have power to it when you push the key in. Check your key switch wiring and operation, sounds like you may have a bad key switch

there is a few things i have to check like the wiring on the key switch my my tachometer don't work and is brand new but i am sure the pump is on the open position all the time about the key switch when i turn on the motor and i try to put the key on the off position the motor stay on the only way i turn of the motor is by the kill switch where can i get a good wiring diagram for this motor

[macojoe]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/BentleyYacht06/V20wiring10001.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv6yiqC1HYk

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-900-s&va=omc+boat+ignition+switch+wiring

[spareparts]

For reference, red is 12V+, Black is 12V-, purple is key on power, yellow with the red stripe is start. Black with the yellow stripe is ignition kill circuit, purple with the white stripe(on OMC products) is the choke/enrinchener


this goes to a pic of a factory key switch.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p2/OMC-Joe/Electrical/79_V4_WIRINGDIAGRAM1a.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.iboats.com/johnson-evinrude-outboards/key-switch-wiring-451697.html&h=395&w=600&sz=52&tbnid=y-wtOP1hSX5TyM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=122&zoom=1&usg=__CvegTOsXtqdJDx8Js80SyBH5hTw=&docid=zZBlASf8wSdPSM&sa=X&ei=bLbzUd7rAYec8wT714HICg&ved=0CC4Q9QEwAA&dur=6925

[mannydvk11]

well here are some updates long time with out longing in here

first my 115 hp was bad from the beginning the guy who sold it to me sold me a bad motor so i got me a 130 hp 1996 Johnson with really good compression


here is the boat for a test
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsd7531a42.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsd7531a42.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps1c8e6c5f.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps1c8e6c5f.jpg.html)

i made the seat for the leaning post
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps10c33147.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps10c33147.jpg.html)


http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps00b4c774.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps00b4c774.jpg.html)

[Curapa]

Sweet. That is an interesting fuel fill setup you have there. What does your speed look like with that motor? I had a 96' 130hp on my 18' Fisherman with notched transom, it pushed it around 38+/- depending on wind and current.

[mannydvk11]

Sweet. That is an interesting fuel fill setup you have there. What does your speed look like with that motor? I had a 96' 130hp on my 18' Fisherman with notched transom, it pushed it around 38+/- depending on wind and current.

lol the fuel setup is temp my aluminum tank was in to bad condition so i got my hands on a plastic one the difference was the fill up inlet so i had to adapt lol

about the speed i was able to see it at 40 mph on the gps i don't know what is the wot i was just going at 4900 rmp

[Curapa]

Not bad, I'm sure the bracket helps your speed. How is the scupper/water situation? I had a problem with a lot of water coming in at rest with people in the back. I would plug the drains while fishing.

[mannydvk11]

Not bad, I'm sure the bracket helps your speed. How is the scupper/water situation? I had a problem with a lot of water coming in at rest with people in the back. I would plug the drains while fishing.

are you talking about the things on the side connected to the floor if is that i use plugs i dont like them to be open only when i wash the boat i open them if you see in one of the pics i drill 5 holes on the floor in the back for any water to come over will drain to the bilge and the pump will take it out

dose any one know what is the WOT for this motor

[mannydvk11]

i felt my trim was going bad every time i push up or down is was really slow to it stop so i took it off and this is what i found

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps3f6a72b1.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps3f6a72b1.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsb2c8f948.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsb2c8f948.jpg.html)

is this oil suppose to be this color

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsf46add35.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsf46add35.jpg.html)

[Curapa]

My 130 trim was the same way. I picked up a fresh water used unit from eBay for cheap. I made sure to spray some protective silicone spray on the new one often. The fluid looks kind of dirty, I'd drain it and replace when you get the new one anyways.

[macojoe]

been there done that!! i got a new old stock on ebay, painted it with a zinc paint before install to hope it lasted for years!! but sold the boat now so have no idea how it held up??

[mannydvk11]

i got me a brand new motor from ebay it will be here tomorrow today i am painting the motor this is whats done so far

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps2afbb929.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps2afbb929.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps7c1be765.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps7c1be765.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsdc78155b.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsdc78155b.jpg.html)

[mannydvk11]

this is just and idea i have what you guys think i know its crazy :sly: am thinking about it

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zpsbd6b2a2e.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zpsbd6b2a2e.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/null_zps3087cdc1.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/null_zps3087cdc1.jpg.html)

[cterrebonne]

can you stand under there?

[mannydvk11]

I will that is just testing to see how it will look

[Curapa]

What do you plan to do for a t top frame? Gonna weld something up?

[mannydvk11]

no i am planing on using fitting to connect the tubing to the existing rail you see in my center console


http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/fishing/BC76AD76-648D-4BFD-8730-FC0AE63AD63D_zpsaqjgykqu.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/fishing/BC76AD76-648D-4BFD-8730-FC0AE63AD63D_zpsaqjgykqu.jpg.html)

[smokeonthewater]

I think you'll find that the existing railing is no where near strong enough to support the top... knida like tossing a 10 lb bowling ball with only your pinky

remember that the weight of the top is nothing compared to wind loads

[mannydvk11]

I think you'll find that the existing railing is no where near strong enough to support the top... knida like tossing a 10 lb bowling ball with only your pinky

remember that the weight of the top is nothing compared to wind loads

i understand that smoke i am planing on using part of the railing witch is trow bolted and reinforce also will use the center console

i will be using this to hold on on top and in the center console

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/T2eC16ZHJFoE9nh6pNWjBQVmZwyQ60_3_zps2b2c51ed.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/T2eC16ZHJFoE9nh6pNWjBQVmZwyQ60_3_zps2b2c51ed.jpg.h tml)

[mannydvk11]

well i got the new motor for the trim today i install it and finish putting the painted parts back to the motor

http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/42C63763-74ED-4E3D-A0E2-081F37AA9FFE_zps830ktmcl.mp4.html

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/70BBA392-FF2B-47EA-9423-5D21C3F55D04_zpsrxpulzlb.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/70BBA392-FF2B-47EA-9423-5D21C3F55D04_zpsrxpulzlb.jpg.html)well i

[mannydvk11]

well today i when out for a test run thinking everything was ok and i end up getting tow i come to find out i had water in my tank :cry: any way i took some pics here are they

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/D38A8AC5-BCA6-4150-B06E-E4AB6F0D4463_zpsyxk4bhcm.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/D38A8AC5-BCA6-4150-B06E-E4AB6F0D4463_zpsyxk4bhcm.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/6A07D00E-34A4-4D65-8C04-FFAF42FEE7A7_zpstjo1dran.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/6A07D00E-34A4-4D65-8C04-FFAF42FEE7A7_zpstjo1dran.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/8A57CDD7-7CBC-4E9C-A5FA-5F4903C5137A_zpseqs31urf.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/8A57CDD7-7CBC-4E9C-A5FA-5F4903C5137A_zpseqs31urf.jpg.html)

[Destroyer]

Sorry about the water in the tank, but your boat looks boss regardless. Nice job on her!!!

[mannydvk11]

Sorry about the water in the tank, but your boat looks boss regardless. Nice job on her!!!


thanks there is a few more thing i will like to add then its going to be done lol but we never finish adding and fixing :sly:

[mannydvk11]

some updates after my problem with the motor i found out i will have to rebuilt the carbs and replace the REED BOX ASSY some of them are bad i took some time to take everything apart and to finish some of the stuff i had in mind like my diy t-top and the placement of the gas tank i will not replace the old one for now i will be using a portable one so i can keep and eye on the water situacion well here are some pics for now

t-top
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/15BCB51D-5C7A-4202-8B44-702428B7FE39_zpsotw7nvne.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/15BCB51D-5C7A-4202-8B44-702428B7FE39_zpsotw7nvne.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/29AFCB2E-7974-4D7C-B4A8-69C020BFA414_zps47zxtnow.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/29AFCB2E-7974-4D7C-B4A8-69C020BFA414_zps47zxtnow.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/C1AF0E96-42BD-4349-BC04-4E16797E5E20_zpsoganzpur.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/C1AF0E96-42BD-4349-BC04-4E16797E5E20_zpsoganzpur.jpg.html)

gas tank this is just temp but i think it will work good there

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/4E53028F-5B89-4868-8198-5D479AC26748_zps2zplwexj.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/4E53028F-5B89-4868-8198-5D479AC26748_zps2zplwexj.jpg.html)

carbs

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/09CC951B-D9F0-4B03-8225-00A758E9724A_zps06xf43xn.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/09CC951B-D9F0-4B03-8225-00A758E9724A_zps06xf43xn.jpg.html)

[mannydvk11]

some pics of the parts i use in the t-top

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/2F8757F2-E09E-4EB3-A761-888C8A099721_zpsvyyyogwj.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/2F8757F2-E09E-4EB3-A761-888C8A099721_zpsvyyyogwj.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/0DACF250-2AA5-435B-9BA7-D68385E70843_zpsxynrejrf.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/0DACF250-2AA5-435B-9BA7-D68385E70843_zpsxynrejrf.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/AA342B15-872C-4380-9886-0D3E2412BFC3_zpsrc6fqyoo.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/AA342B15-872C-4380-9886-0D3E2412BFC3_zpsrc6fqyoo.jpg.html)


this is how i install the new gas tank and new filter this time i put it outside
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/D88D64D7-4ECF-44E5-8FA8-BA763E288589_zpstedefmd6.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/D88D64D7-4ECF-44E5-8FA8-BA763E288589_zpstedefmd6.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/90478AD6-7CEF-41A6-B061-E94ACA629E81_zpsffzqnxmr.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/90478AD6-7CEF-41A6-B061-E94ACA629E81_zpsffzqnxmr.jpg.html)

[mannydvk11]

this is something i add it a few weeks ago but i had not show it yet this is my solar panel and charger

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/5BB588A2-2983-40B2-9C63-375167C666E8_zpsbanb8zde.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/5BB588A2-2983-40B2-9C63-375167C666E8_zpsbanb8zde.jpg.html)

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/A7FA74AC-0279-4693-ABE9-9CF98198BB79_zpswdwntif6.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/A7FA74AC-0279-4693-ABE9-9CF98198BB79_zpswdwntif6.jpg.html)

this will keep my battery's with mos of the charge i can switch from bat#1 to bat#2 or i can keep charging 1 and 2 as a tenderizer

this is how it looks on the water

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u368/manny2076/D38A8AC5-BCA6-4150-B06E-E4AB6F0D4463_zpsyxk4bhcm.jpg (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/manny2076/media/D38A8AC5-BCA6-4150-B06E-E4AB6F0D4463_zpsyxk4bhcm.jpg.html)

[Destroyer]

Dang, that's a small solar panel. Reading the post I figured it would be much larger and mounted on the "T" top till I saw your pic of it on the engine cowl. What's the output on that thing? 12v @ ?

[mannydvk11]

Dang, that's a small solar panel. Reading the post I figured it would be much larger and mounted on the "T" top till I saw your pic of it on the engine cowl. What's the output on that thing? 12v @ ?

i was able to get and 18v output i know is small but to keep the battery's charge is good for now. i hate to not use the boat for a few weeks and not having charge in the battery's i will try to make a system to be able to use the radio and electronics with just a solar panel and a battery

[Destroyer]

i was able to get an 18v output i know is small but to keep the battery's charge is good for now. i hate to not use the boat for a few weeks and not having charge in the battery's i will try to make a system to be able to use the radio and electronics with just a solar panel and a battery

I see on the controller you have unused terminals for loads (like a radio, LED lights, etc) which is why I was asking about the milliamp rating of the solar panel. I was just wondering if it could keep up with the draw of items like that during an outing. It's a nice clean set-up the way you have it and certainly makes me wonder about how I power certain items in my own boat.

[mannydvk11]

I see on the controller you have unused terminals for loads (like a radio, LED lights, etc) which is why I was asking about the milliamp rating of the solar panel. I was just wondering if it could keep up with the draw of items like that during an outing. It's a nice clean set-up the way you have it and certainly makes me wonder about how I power certain items in my own boat.

i am totally new at this solar stuff i will like to have my panel to charge and be able to use it at least with on the GPS,stereo and vhf radio

[mannydvk11]

corection this is the info of the panel 12V,1260mW,Charge rate: 70mA,Height: 6.5 in,Width: 7.0 in. All Weather Proof - Protected against wind, rain, salt air, and solar radiation, UV

[mannydvk11]

well i took it out for a bit after reparing the motor addit new reed vlves new carbs parts gaskets new gas and feul lines filter wow lots of new stuff any way here is a pic of the boat in the water

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[GREYWOLF]

looks like you are doing a great job, One thing what type of fuel lines did you use , some have big problems with the ETHANOL in the fuel they tend to rot and leak much sooner then the gray ones ?

[mannydvk11]

looks like you are doing a great job, One thing what type of fuel lines did you use , some have big problems with the ETHANOL in the fuel they tend to rot and leak much sooner then the gray ones ?

well according to the guys at the marine store this one is good to use with ethanol i had the gray ones but i was having a problem it kink to much so i was having flow problem

[GREYWOLF]

I hear you I used to use the black automotive hose but several of my outboards had carb problems with crap from the fuel lines , I went to the new grey type ,did have some problems with kinking in hot weather, but no contamination in the carbs, the trick is to rout the hose with no sharp bends

[mannydvk11]

I hear you I used to use the black automotive hose but several of my outboards had carb problems with crap from the fuel lines , I went to the new grey type ,did have some problems with kinking in hot weather, but no contamination in the carbs, the trick is to rout the hose with no sharp bends


yes you are right ill see how this ones will go and then ill get the gray ones my problem with the one i had it was short so i just replace them

[randlemanboater]

Very nice job on your boat...it looks great!

[mannydvk11]

Very nice job on your boat...it looks great!

thanks

guys i have a Q?

any one know why this tank gets like a balloon and when i am running the boat it collapse what can i do to prevent this , and also should i use that gray valve you see in the picture o its better with out it

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[spareparts]

all the new tanks do it, they have a pressure valve on the vent to meet emission standards. Ive got np idea what that grey valve is, did it come with the tank?

[randlemanboater]

All the portable tanks I've ever used had a vent in the fill cap to prevent swelling/contracting.

But they always spilled gas when near full so I guess thats why the new tanks dont have them?

[Destroyer]

The tank expands and contracts due to internal and external pressures placed on it. Gas expands much more than water in warm weather or direct sunlight, so the tank bulges as the pressure builds internally. As warm gas gets cooler it contracts, creating a lower pressure inside the tank than outside, so outside pressure pushes on the walls of the tank and gives the tank the appearance of collapsing. This also happens when an unvented tank is being used while running. As the gas is pulled from the tank by your fuel pump it creates a vacuum inside the tank and again, the external pressure of the air will push on the tank walls giving it the appearance of collapsing.

Looking at your picture I can see what appears to be a vent in the middle of the cap without the hose attached to it, where you fill the tank with gas. Open it slightly and it will release internal pressure when the gas expands due to becoming hotter, and allow external air pressure to enter as the gas cools, stopping the bulging and collapsing of the tank walls.

Like the others, I really have no positive knowledge of what that grey thing on the hose is, although it looks like a type of pressure regulator. My guess would be it's used to prevent pressurized fuel from an unvented tank squirting out of the engine end of the hose when coupling or uncoupling the hose from an engine. Early 6 gallon metal gas cans used a pressurized molded 2 hose fuel deliver system to deliver fuel to the engine. But the problem was, because it was pressurized, if there was a leak it would spray raw gas all over, creating a dangerous fire hazard. To solve that they went to a single hose with the bulb that we all know and love....but the problem with that system is if gas in the tank isn't vented, it can create pressure within the gas line, and when the hose is being attached or disconnected it can spray raw gas all over. NOT good if you are hooking up a second tank of gas to a hot engine. So I'm pretty sure that's what it is. And it's automatic, so you don't have to do anything to it. Just leave it alone and let it do it's job.

[mannydvk11]

The tank expands and contracts due to internal and external pressures placed on it. Gas expands much more than water in warm weather or direct sunlight, so the tank bulges as the pressure builds internally. As warm gas gets cooler it contracts, creating a lower pressure inside the tank than outside, so outside pressure pushes on the walls of the tank and gives the tank the appearance of collapsing. This also happens when an unvented tank is being used while running. As the gas is pulled from the tank by your fuel pump it creates a vacuum inside the tank and again, the external pressure of the air will push on the tank walls giving it the appearance of collapsing.

Looking at your picture I can see what appears to be a vent in the middle of the cap without the hose attached to it, where you fill the tank with gas. Open it slightly and it will release internal pressure when the gas expands due to becoming hotter, and allow external air pressure to enter as the gas cools, stopping the bulging and collapsing of the tank walls.

Like the others, I really have no positive knowledge of what that grey thing on the hose is, although it looks like a type of pressure regulator. My guess would be it's used to prevent pressurized fuel from an unvented tank squirting out of the engine end of the hose when coupling or uncoupling the hose from an engine. Early 6 gallon metal gas cans used a pressurized molded 2 hose fuel deliver system to deliver fuel to the engine. But the problem was, because it was pressurized, if there was a leak it would spray raw gas all over, creating a dangerous fire hazard. To solve that they went to a single hose with the bulb that we all know and love....but the problem with that system is if gas in the tank isn't vented, it can create pressure within the gas line, and when the hose is being attached or disconnected it can spray raw gas all over. NOT good if you are hooking up a second tank of gas to a hot engine. So I'm pretty sure that's what it is. And it's automatic, so you don't have to do anything to it. Just leave it alone and let it do it's job.


really good answer thank you very much now my other Q? after that answer is if i keep it open will gas evaporate and give me water problem in my tank o will water come in the tank trow the vent also if the tank is collapse will the motor have a problem like if is running with out gas o will it prevent the gas to circulate when is collapse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewXwbDiYacM here is a link on how the gray valve is suppose to do but am not sure if this is for my motor

[steplift20]

going back to number 11 i see you replaced the trim assembly , thats what i have to do was it hard to do i have a 150 mercury out board 1988 also got it from ebay but it didnt come yet

[mannydvk11]

going back to number 11 i see you replaced the trim assembly , thats what i have to do was it hard to do i have a 150 mercury out board 1988 also got it from ebay but it didnt come yet

It was not hard at all but I don't know on the Mercruser how is done

[macojoe]

If when not using the boat the vent should be closed, but on a hot day will expand. But if it rains water can get in the vent so I use to leave it open all the time and just cover the tank with a small tarp I had when at rest.

[Destroyer]

really good answer thank you very much now my other Q? after that answer is if i keep it open will gas evaporate and give me water problem in my tank o will water come in the tank trow the vent also if the tank is collapse will the motor have a problem like if is running with out gas o will it prevent the gas to circulate when is collapse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewXwbDiYacM here is a link on how the gray valve is suppose to do but am not sure if this is for my motor

Okay, one at a time...

1) If you open the vent then yes, a very tiny portion of gas will evaporate over time. Since your gas is inside an enclosed container, the only place for it to go is either out the fuel line to the engine, or (as a vapor) a tiny amount out the vent on your gas cap. The hole in the vent is very small, and only allows for expansion or contraction at a slow rate. Just enough to equalize the inside and outside pressures. As you run your engine and it pulls fuel from the tank zero gas vapor escapes from the vent. But once the engine is stopped and the gas inside starts to expand then a tiny amount of gas vapor will escape. So yes, you will lose a minuscule amount, but insignificant in the overall scheme of things.

2) No, you will not get any significant water into your tank by allowing the vent to be open during operation of your boat. Just screw the vent closed at the end of the days run. In a much larger tank, where the gas sits for days or weeks at a time, and there is not way to close the vent, then yes, due to first expansion of the gas during the warm day and then contraction of the gas during the cooler night, a small amount of water, in the form of humidity in the air will enter the tank and then condense into water as it cools. That's one of the reasons why we have fuel/water separators on the fuel line(s) going to the engine. If you still have a fear of water entering your engine from the tank, just empty whatever is left in it at the end of the day into your lawn mower. string trimmer, auto, whatever, and start out with a fresh tank of gas on your next time out on the water.

3) Yes, if the vent is closed, then your engine will create a vacuum in the tank as it pulls fuel from it. That vacuum will eventually become so strong that either the engine will stall out because it can no longer overcome the vacuum and receive gas, or, the plastic tank will collapse from the greater (14.7 lbs psig at sea level) atmospheric pressure being exerted on the outside of the tank.

Remember....NO manufacturer is going to add anything extra to a product if it isn't needed.... that costs money and will eat into their profit. So in the case of your plastic gas tank, the vent that is added into the gas cap costs the maker extra money and would not be there if it were not needed. Use it, it's there for a reason.

[mannydvk11]

thanks you very much Destroyer i was wondering about that because i saw that happen to me yesterday when i took the boat out for a run and the gas tank was collapse and the engine was turning off at hi rpms

[Destroyer]

Mannydvk11, I did a little research and found out what that grey thing is. As I suspected, it's a pressure regulation device. It's called a "Fuel Demand Valve". You can find out all about it at the following link:

http://www.mercurymarine.com/parts-and-accessories/product-overview/portable-fuel-system/

Please notice that in the description it clearly states that it's to prevent fuel from a pressurized tank entering an engine and creating a fire hazard. What isn't stated is that the pressurized tank is being mandated by the EPA (Extremely Pathetic A$$holes) to prevent fuel vapor from entering the atmosphere. (Even though pressurized tanks create a fire hazard). In other words, it's something that we could have lived without but is being forced down our throats by an overzealous government agency. So instead of the simple, cheap two-way vent (a sealable hole) that used to be on portable tanks, now there's an expensive one way valve that only allows air into the tank, but will not release vapor out, (thereby causing the tank to become pressurized as the warmed fuel expands) and a fuel demand valve system. And of course, it ain't free. If anyone has noticed the outrageous price of portable plastic gas tanks lately it's because they all must use a special plastic now so that Ethanol doesn't effect them. Just another little cost/tax being forced on us by big brother. But I digress... the grey thing is as I described it previously, a safety device.

[Starzofchaos]

Have you thought about installing a Moeller Marine fuel tank? I am planning on replacing my old tank with one of these. Since the original is untreated aluminum, and for what ever reason that Wellcraft decided to foam the tank in causing the tank to corrode even faster.

Here are the links:

http://www.moellermarine.com/oem/fuel_tanks/fuel-tanks/

Do you have the measurements on yours? I have a 1990 Fish 18 and I was told it has a 50 gallon tank.

[mannydvk11]

Have you thought about installing a Moeller Marine fuel tank? I am planning on replacing my old tank with one of these. Since the original is untreated aluminum, and for what ever reason that Wellcraft decided to foam the tank in causing the tank to corrode even faster.

Here are the links:

http://www.moellermarine.com/oem/fuel_tanks/fuel-tanks/

Do you have the measurements on yours? I have a 1990 Fish 18 and I was told it has a 50 gallon tank.

sorry i have not answer for some time but yes now am looking to see how to repair the problem i do use the regular outside tank for now works OK for now

i have taken out the boat a few time after fixing the reebs and rebuilding the carbs no problems yet by the way the t-top is holding strong i really like it. i add it a all around light you can see it on the pic

here are some pics

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[bradford]

Nice looking 18 Manny, where are you located?

[mannydvk11]

Thanks am in Miami florida that pic is at haulover inlet

[mannydvk11]

i was looking to buy the windshield but i know how to work acrylic my friend gave me this small peace of acrylic so i made my windshield :sun:

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[buckleyjr]

Nice work Manny! You've done a great job improving your boat. Wish I was in Miami.

[mannydvk11]

thanks i have work hard but is coming out good

[bradford]

Good job on the wind sheild. Those are expensive if you go out and want to buy one.

[mannydvk11]

Good job on the wind sheild. Those are expensive if you go out and want to buy one.

thanks and yes they are expensive

BTW a bit info on the t-top it holds really good i have taken some ruff winds and seas and its still holding :fam: