V21 for sale in NJ....Pricy, but..

[Destroyer]

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/boa/2631185376.html

[reelapeelin]

IMO that's a pretty good price for that boat...it's got all the right stuff provided it's all in good shape...if the dollars were flowing a little better around here, I'd go check that puppy out REEL closely and scoop it up if it passed inspection...:clap:

[Blue_Runner]

I'll sell ya mine for $7999.99.
:sun:

[Hedge]

I'll sell ya mine for half of that.

[Destroyer]

IMO that's a pretty good price for that boat...it's got all the right stuff provided it's all in good shape...if the dollars were flowing a little better around here, I'd go check that puppy out REEL closely and scoop it up if it passed inspection...:clap:

Reel, I totally agree. That's exactly why I left the "but" in the post title. I'm in the same "boat" as you so to speak.. if the dollars were a little better around here I'd home in on that boat for a closer look myself, but with the flood damage to the house and the related expenses a new boat is just not in the foreseeable future.. (but I still want a 21 damnit). :head:

[reelapeelin]

I'll sell ya mine for $7999.99.
:sun:


You only say that cuz you know I can't...you'd be lost w/out yer Purdy Lil 21...I've had the hots for that baby since you 1st got it...:clap:

[Blue_Runner]

:sun:
Hey, saw your Wet Test thread. Sounds like when you get that one gremlin chased outta your Johnnie you'll be back to scootin around the water. Are you gonna outfit it for striper killin like your old V? I hear they are nippin pretty good in the area lakes right now.

[bgreene]

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/boa/2631185376.html

Quit calling these V's for sale pricey !! It's only going to drag down the value ...........
Personally, I think that's a very fair to LOW price for a V21 with 200hp, full enclosure, plus trailer assuming all is in good shape.

Heck, I paid more for my V21 and thought it was a fair price !

[RWilson2526]

Quit calling these V's for sale pricey !! It's only going to drag down the value ...........

:clap:

[Destroyer]

Quit calling these V's for sale pricey !! It's only going to drag down the value ...........
Personally, I think that's a very fair to LOW price for a V21 with 200hp, full enclosure, plus trailer assuming all is in good shape.

Heck, I paid more for my V21 and thought it was a fair price !


Bgreene, I'm sorry, but with all due respect, I have to completely disagree with you. First off, since I doubt that the financial news reads these posts, I don't think that my labeling a boat as pricy is going to drag down it's value, so lets stop with the retoric. I wrote the post as it related to me. You have no idea as to my financal situation. To a begger, a $3.99 hamburger is pricey. To a billionaire, a $500 million dollar private jet is just pocket change. Everything relates back to whoever is making the statement. Now, to me, that V21 is pricey. I cannot easly afford it. It is not a statement as to it's worth to someone else, or even to it's retail value. It's simply a statement as it's cost, relative to me. If you are rich, or at least financally comfortable, and can easily afford that boat, then by all means, call it a low price or a fair price. And for you, you would be correct in your call. But for me, since I cannot afford it, I will continue to call things that I would like, but cannot easily afford, .... pricey.

[buckleyjr]

I understand your logic, Destroyer. But I think the value of this forum, at least when discussing the sale price of a V20/21, is whether it is fair or not regardless of the financial situation of the individual. Condition, region, model, engine, etc.

I'm biased since I own a V21, but I would say that this V21 could be a very good deal, especially if you are partial to Vs, and V21s in particular.

[Hedge]

In Destroyers defense, the price has been lowered since his original post. The price you are seeing on the CL ad is not the same price that Destroyer was referring to in his original post from almost a week ago.

[bgreene]

Bgreene, I'm sorry, but with all due respect, I have to completely disagree with you. First off, since I doubt that the financial news reads these posts, I don't think that my labeling a boat as pricy is going to drag down it's value, so lets stop with the retoric. I wrote the post as it related to me. You have no idea as to my financal situation. To a begger, a $3.99 hamburger is pricey. To a billionaire, a $500 million dollar private jet is just pocket change. Everything relates back to whoever is making the statement. Now, to me, that V21 is pricey. I cannot easly afford it. It is not a statement as to it's worth to someone else, or even to it's retail value. It's simply a statement as it's cost, relative to me. If you are rich, or at least financally comfortable, and can easily afford that boat, then by all means, call it a low price or a fair price. And for you, you would be correct in your call. But for me, since I cannot afford it, I will continue to call things that I would like, but cannot easily afford, .... pricey.

Typically " wish I could afford it "......or " wish I had the money" goes with that. All I'm saying is a V21 with a 200hp, full enclosure and trailer....assuming in good shape asking under $ 7,000 is a darn good buy....a boat to jump on and check out if someone's in the market, and all things considered.....a real fair deal. I'd be on it today if I didn't have my own V21.

We own V's, so to me........ unless a guys asking crazy high money, I say calling it " pricey" can only diminish the perceived value....that's all. No big deal beyond that.

[bgreene]

In Destroyers defense, the price has been lowered since his original post. The price you are seeing on the CL ad is not the same price that Destroyer was referring to in his original post from almost a week ago.

Gotcha.....what was he asking prior ? $ 100,000 ?

[Destroyer]

Gotcha.....what was he asking prior ? $ 100,000 ?

$9,700 was the original price. Since he didn"t sell it at that sum I assume that others also thought it was pricy so he lowered it to it's present asking price. And truthfully, at the price he's now asking it's a hell of a deal. Still a tad too much for me, but for a complete, set up and ready to run 21 that's a very good price. Once again I am pulled up short in my desire for a 21 by my need to repair my home's flood damages, while still waiting on the ins company to send me a check. :bat:

Thanks Hedge for the D. Much appreciated. :beer:

[buckleyjr]

Funny. Because $9700 IS pricey.

[RWilson2526]

Just to let you know where I was coming from with my post...it was not about that particular boat and price but more of a feeling I get sometimes that maybe we as potential sellers someday may be doing a disservice to ourselves for some of the public comments we make about boats for sale.

In reality what we say probably doesnt amount to a hill of beans and the market will bear out the actual selling price of any boat but at the same time anybody thinking of buying a V will almost definitely find this site if they can use a computer and the general advise given to buyers around here is "low ball" them..."its too expensive" and the like....maybe just rambling but thats where I was coming from.

[Destroyer]

Funny. Because $9700 IS pricey.

Exactly.... And I would point out that the fact that the seller reduced his price by several thousand dollars validated my original opinion. :beer:

[bgreene]

I'd have no problem if V's become collector items, and values soar..........

What's that ? A V for sale going for $ 10,000 and bidding war breaks out ?
Great.... I'll be the first to congratulate the seller. Some day that may be my boat for sale.

[Destroyer]

Funny thing is, if you click on the link now the seller wants $8000 for the boat, but the ad title says $6900. And again, that's down from the original $9700 he wanted in the first place. I'm wondering if he really wants to sell the boat or if this is one of those "Honey, I have the boat up for sale, what more can I do?" kinda sales that we've seen in the past. :head:

At any rate this thread has taken way too much of our time. So I'll leave with this parting opinion. IMHO, I think that @ $9700 the boat is pricey, @ $6700 it's a good deal. (assuming everythings ok with the boat). Anywhere in between is up to the buyer to make the call about if he thinks the price was fair or not. Cheers...:beer:

[bgreene]

Yeh well I maintain $ 6,900 is a low price for a great V21 based on all the other for sale.

$ 8,000 - $ 10,000 a solid / fair price for a 94- 96 V21 depending on condition and motor age/power/ condition.

$ 45 for a steak is " pricey" bro. Hope your V holds it's value till you sell.

[bradford]

Hang a new power plant one year and pay someone to do nearly a full restoration the next, that's pricey. :nut:

Whoever buys that 21 is gonna get off a lot cheaper than me. :beer:

[Destroyer]

Hang a new power plant one year and pay someone to do nearly a full restoration the next, that's pricey. :nut:

Whoever buys that 21 is gonna get off a lot cheaper than me. :beer:

Ya, and you still have to pay for that indoor, climate controlled storage area for the winter. :you:

[reelapeelin]

Funny thing is, if you click on the link now the seller wants $8000 for the boat, but the ad title says $6900. And again, that's down from the original $9700 he wanted in the first place. I'm wondering if he really wants to sell the boat or if this is one of those "Honey, I have the boat up for sale, what more can I do?" kinda sales that we've seen in the past. :head:

At any rate this thread has taken way too much of our time. So I'll leave with this parting opinion. IMHO, I think that @ $9700 the boat is pricey, @ $6700 it's a good deal. (assuming everythings ok with the boat). Anywhere in between is up to the buyer to make the call about if he thinks the price was fair or not. Cheers...:beer:


I wouldn't offer him anything less than 10,500 for it...:you:

[smkinnan]

Bgreene, I'm sorry, but with all due respect, I have to completely disagree with you. First off, since I doubt that the financial news reads these posts, I don't think that my labeling a boat as pricy is going to drag down it's value, so lets stop with the retoric. I wrote the post as it related to me. You have no idea as to my financal situation. To a begger, a $3.99 hamburger is pricey. To a billionaire, a $500 million dollar private jet is just pocket change. Everything relates back to whoever is making the statement. Now, to me, that V21 is pricey. I cannot easly afford it. It is not a statement as to it's worth to someone else, or even to it's retail value. It's simply a statement as it's cost, relative to me. If you are rich, or at least financally comfortable, and can easily afford that boat, then by all means, call it a low price or a fair price. And for you, you would be correct in your call. But for me, since I cannot afford it, I will continue to call things that I would like, but cannot easily afford, .... pricey.

thought I understood but then I kept reading and got totally confused :hi:

[Blue_Runner]

Some good points brought up in this thread. I think it is good that everyone stated their opinions. It is kind of like "ask the audience" on who wants to be a millionaire. A lot of times when people disagree they are both wrong and the truth lies somewhere in the middle. In the future when someone comes to this site to assess the value of a V20/21 they will be able to see all opinions and formulate thier own.

That said, a single stand-alone post saying "this boat is too high" might by itself influence the percieved value to a future buyer. However, that post coupled with opinions from other posters to the contrary and such will minimize that effect. In essence, the percieved value falls more toward the middle. What I'm saying is none of us are right, but our opinions together average out to the right answer....or something like that (wtf am I talking about???:head:).

As you all are aware, almost any boat you buy is a poor financial investment. You have to know that going into it. I have over 16k in my boat after repowering with a new motor, additions/upgrades and not planning on selling it (unless somebody will trade out/sell me a pimped out Seacraft Sceptre with 225hp 4stroke + on a bracket....still waiting).

Crap, now I've done gone and talked a potential V21 buyer into buying a Seacraft instead.......chit!!!
:beer:

[bgreene]

Some good points brought up in this thread. I think it is good that everyone stated their opinions. It is kind of like "ask the audience" on who wants to be a millionaire. A lot of times when people disagree they are both wrong and the truth lies somewhere in the middle. In the future when someone comes to this site to assess the value of a V20/21 they will be able to see all opinions and formulate thier own.

That said, a single stand-alone post saying "this boat is too high" might by itself influence the percieved value to a future buyer. However, that post coupled with opinions from other posters to the contrary and such will minimize that effect. In essence, the percieved value falls more toward the middle. What I'm saying is none of us are right, but our opinions together average out to the right answer....or something like that (wtf am I talking about???:head:).

As you all are aware, almost any boat you buy is a poor financial investment. You have to know that going into it. I have over 16k in my boat after repowering with a new motor, additions/upgrades and not planning on selling it (unless somebody will trade out/sell me a pimped out Seacraft Sceptre with 225hp 4stroke + on a bracket....still waiting).

Crap, now I've done gone and talked a potential V21 buyer into buying a Seacraft instead.......chit!!!
:beer:

Hey " your honor" ....... I respectfully reject your ruling that " none of us are right."
Eventually nearly all of us sell our boat, and at that time, I bet none of us would appreciate comments such as " pricey" when we're asking a proven fair market price for our rig.
I say........if you're not buying, leave the sellers post alone or send him a private email if you have a strong opinion that you feel compelled to share.....better than hurting his ability to sell it with negative comments.
As for the Seacraft Sceptre - I'd love to get one. A great boat based on everything I know, and fairly hard to find one in excellent condition..........that is.....for a " fair price" !!!!ha ha.

[reelapeelin]

The way I see it is this...we can all have our own OPINIONS regarding the VALUE of this boat or that boat....and until somebody w/the cash steps up and BUYS it, an OPINION is all it is...these Vs we love around here, in the end are worth only what somebody is willing to actually PAY for....I have a certain respect for bgreene's wish to protect his perceived value of his boat, but I also understand and agree w/BR's point of view as well...none of us is right or wrong...until the cash hits the table...
When I was in the car business there was a saying; There's an a$$ for every seat...holds true for boats too...

[Destroyer]

The way I see it is this...we can all have our own OPINIONS regarding the VALUE of this boat or that boat....and until somebody w/the cash steps up and BUYS it, an OPINION is all it is...these Vs we love around here, in the end are worth only what somebody is willing to actually PAY for.....

Reel, that's exactly what I meant when I said quote "Anywhere in between is up to the buyer to make the call about if he thinks the price was fair or not." unquote. When a person buys an item for $5.00 or $5oo,ooo, then that is what the item was actually worth, no matter what opinion someone else may have about the price. :clap:

I have to make a comment though. There have been many other posts where members have made comments about how they felt about the price of a boat that was listed for sale. None of them generated so much as a ripple from other menbers. This post though, no matter how I've tried to explain MY position, and why I felt that TO ME the boat was pricey, has generated a constant and sometimes sarcastic attack by bgreene against me and anyone else that agreed with me. I'd like to know why. Normally I'd do this with a PM, but since the attacks were many and in public I'll take the same route. Maybe I'm being thin-skinned, but truthfully this has left a real bad taste in my mouth.

[lathehand]

A good deal = what ever a person is willing to pay for something.Not what ever someone else thinks it's worth

[Blue_Runner]

I really want to try one of those $45 steaks. :drool:

[bgreene]

Reel, that's exactly what I meant when I said quote "Anywhere in between is up to the buyer to make the call about if he thinks the price was fair or not." unquote. When a person buys an item for $5.00 or $5oo,ooo, then that is what the item was actually worth, no matter what opinion someone else may have about the price. :clap:

I have to make a comment though. There have been many other posts where members have made comments about how they felt about the price of a boat that was listed for sale. None of them generated so much as a ripple from other menbers. This post though, no matter how I've tried to explain MY position, and why I felt that TO ME the boat was pricey, has generated a constant and sometimes sarcastic attack by bgreene against me and anyone else that agreed with me. I'd like to know why. Normally I'd do this with a PM, but since the attacks were many and in public I'll take the same route. Maybe I'm being thin-skinned, but truthfully this has left a real bad taste in my mouth.

Difference of opinion:
I think posting on a public forum that another guys listing is pricey can only hurt his chance to sell his boat. It's like "warning sellers to beware"..... and his price isn't even high to begin with.

You came back to me saying I should " stop the rhetoric" however that applies I don't know.

Lastly, I believe pounding down on another guys listing as I believe you also did on the Ohio V for sale just serves to diminish perceived value of these boats.

That's all. Long live the V's ! Priceless ! Collector's items ! Discontinued model ! Do I hear $ 50,000......that's $ 50,000 for a rare V in excellent condition........$ 55,000 from the gentleman in the back !!!!

[reelapeelin]

I really want to try one of those $45 steaks. :drool:

Go to a Ruth's Chris...they'll bend ya over like ya never been bent!!...glad I was on an expense account...will never go on my dime...:nut:

[Blue_Runner]

Need to borrow your expense account for one night. Just one.

[THEFERMANATOR]

I really want to try one of those $45 steaks. :drool:

I don't reccomend it. I ate at Shulas before where the cheapest steak was $45, and that is ala carte so the $45 was JUST the steak. To top it all off, it wasn't that good either.

[bgreene]

Luger's, Brooklyn NY. "real pricey" but extraordinary. Forget menu's.......just order steak for X # of people, the sliced tomato, shrimp cocktail, spinach and potato sides.

Once in a lifetime worthwhile experience. No credit cards - cash or Lugers house card.
Got lucky and ate there twice.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Luger's, Brooklyn NY. "real pricey" but extraordinary. Forget menu's.......just order steak for X # of people, the sliced tomato, shrimp cocktail, spinach and potato sides.

Once in a lifetime worthwhile experience. No credit cards - cash or Lugers house card.
Got lucky and ate there twice.

Shulas didn't have a menu either. You ordered via a presentation where examples were brought out to you on a cart. Also you could pick which staek you wanted cooked for you. It just wasn't for me I guess.

[ssiredfish]

A good deal = what ever a person is willing to pay for something.Not what ever someone else thinks it's worth

1ST rule of Retail. I was gonna say if you didnt.

I bought my 85' with a 96' Johnson Oceanrunner with 600hours on it for $7500. Yes I overpaid a tad on it which is why I offered $6750. He didnt take it but I bought it anyway. Why? Because I KNEW that was my boat and it smelled like it could catch fish. Not to mention it came with Downriggers and Outriggers, trailer and tons of extras. Now with over 10k invested into it it really feels like "my girl" and I love it even if those damn lexan console doors keep fallin out:bat:

[Blue_Runner]

LOL SSIRED, what is not to love?

I agree on the steaks. I can't imagine paying $45 and feeling like it was worth it no matter how good it was.

I'm gonna be building a new smoker behind my building. Strictly wood coal smoking. While I'm at it I'm gonna build a custom grill w/ adjustable grate just for grilling over wood coals. Pile up a heaping mound of red hot hickory coals and lower the grill as close as I can get it and slap on a BIG FAT fillet..... oh Lord......getting dizzy thinking about it.

:beer:

[reelapeelin]

LOL SSIRED, what is not to love?

I agree on the steaks. I can't imagine paying $45 and feeling like it was worth it no matter how good it was.

I'm gonna be building a new smoker behind my building. Strictly wood coal smoking. While I'm at it I'm gonna build a custom grill w/ adjustable grate just for grilling over wood coals. Pile up a heaping mound of red hot hickory coals and lower the grill as close as I can get it and slap on a BIG FAT fillet..... oh Lord......getting dizzy thinking about it.

:beer:


That's gonna be hard to out run at ANY price!!...

[bgreene]

Shulas didn't have a menu either. You ordered via a presentation where examples were brought out to you on a cart. Also you could pick which staek you wanted cooked for you. It just wasn't for me I guess.


Luger's " has a menu" .......you just don't bother to use it because Peter Luger's is rated among the # 1 steak restaurant's in the USA.

Interesting thread - started out as a discussion about commenting on someone's boat for sale listing.............now turned into a steak restaurant discussion. I believe I was first to reference steak on this thread so fine.

Now maybe I'll turn this thread into a discussion about the best barbeque ribs .
Nah........let's keep arguing about public comments on a guys boat for sale listing.

[randlemanboater]

There is a steak house here in my little town that has one of those super hot cookers, like 800 degrees. I can't imagine any other restaurant beatting them at any price.

But you cant beat grillin your own over fire......be it wood or charcoal.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Now maybe I'll turn this thread into a discussion about the best barbeque ribs.

That kind of discussion could be worse than politics considering the rivalry that exists between differrent kinds of BBQ and which is best.

[Hedge]

... the rivalry that exists between differrent kinds of BBQ and which is best.
EASTERN NC BBQ, is there any other???

[Blue_Runner]

Dang Hedge, I thought we were friends!?!?!?!?!?:you:

Everybody knows WESTERN style BBQ reigns supreme. Lexington style to be exact.

BBQ pork ribs - spare ribs, St. Louis cut, baby back, all have a special place in my heart. My absolute favorite thing to put on the smoker. By the way, we are on the cusp of smoker season.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d73/stinkery/Cooking/1106001437a.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d73/stinkery/Cooking/1106001803.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d73/stinkery/Cooking/1030001403.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d73/stinkery/Cooking/1106001437b.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d73/stinkery/1231091207.jpg

[bgreene]

Are you guys going crazy ? !!!! That degree ( get it ) of " food porn " will get this whole web site taken down !!!!

And besides, this thread is supposed to be a good ol' argument between me and Destroyer about classified's comments.

As for barbeque........I go traditional style. I like the meat tender and juicy, and the sauce smoky and authentic - not sugary sweet, no special flavors such as lemon this or orange that......... just good meat, chicken included and......my personal preference when I'm in the mood for beer: Yards Brewery - Brawler. Always smooth, great flavor, never bitter.

[Destroyer]

Are you guys going crazy ? !!!! That degree ( get it ) of " food porn " will get this whole web site taken down !!!!

And besides, this thread is supposed to be a good ol' argument between me and Destroyer about classified's comments.

As for barbeque........I go traditional style. I like the meat tender and juicy, and the sauce smoky and authentic - not sugary sweet, no special flavors such as lemon this or orange that......... just good meat, chicken included and......my personal preference when I'm in the mood for beer: Yards Brewery - Brawler. Always smooth, great flavor, never bitter.

I think you misunderstand ... no thread is ever supposed to be an argument. Besides, I really don't give damn what you think, since it's just your opinion. I'm sure that you feel the same way about what I think, since, again, it's just my opinion....

But good BBQ, on the other hand, is a national heritage, and needs to be defended when necessary. And much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree with you on the traditional style being best. I hate the sugar coatings that a lot of places put on the meat. Beer is always a matter of individual preferance. I tend to go with Sam Adams Boston Lager or Killians Red, but that's just me and I don't expect anyone to agree or disagree with me on that.

[Blue_Runner]

You guys are crazy and both of you are wrong. LOL :you::beer:

j/k - Eastern BBQ is very simple. Smoke Boston Butts for hours on end (12 + hrs at 200 - 225) until pulled pork is achieved. Pulled, chopped or sliced. Add in some Lexington style sauce (or serve on the side) and enjoy.

I actually love sauces and eat them in excess. Hot sauce, ketchup, honey mustard, soy, etc. etc. Love sauce.

Lexington sauce is a combination of apple cider vinegar, ketchup, water, salt/pepper, cayenne pepper, crushed red pepper, lemon juice, and sugar (I like molasses or maple syrup instead). Being a big fan of Texas Pete hot sauce I usually add in a liberal portion or it to my BBQ sauce as a kicker.

[bgreene]

I think you misunderstand ... no thread is ever supposed to be an argument. Besides, I really don't give damn what you think, since it's just your opinion. I'm sure that you feel the same way about what I think, since, again, it's just my opinion....

But good BBQ, on the other hand, is a national heritage, and needs to be defended when necessary. And much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree with you on the traditional style being best. I hate the sugar coatings that a lot of places put on the meat. Beer is always a matter of individual preferance. I tend to go with Sam Adams Boston Lager or Killians Red, but that's just me and I don't expect anyone to agree or disagree with me on that.

Destroyer.........here are a few suggestions.......assuming you're not too brittle:
1. Calm down, we're joking around here. My reference to all the food talk getting in the way of a good argument should have been obvious - humor, not anger.
2. Let's not stray towards foul language.
3. Yup, I still think people shouldn't make negative public comments in ref to another guys item for sale.
4. Relax. Don't take this stuff too seriously. I'll be " pissed " if I list my boat and you
tell everyone that my price is " too much" but other than that, who cares really.
5. There is no # 5.
6. There's no # 6 either.

[CaptJ]

THANKS, Now I'm hungry. None of that mustard based crap please. Good quality dry rub is all I need.:drool::drool::drool: and lots of:beer::beer:

[Blue_Runner]

Mustard goes against Western BBQ philosophy, HOWEVER, being a sauce guy I like it (done my way of course) on country style ribs, but not on BBQ or pork ribs. One of my pix above shows a bowl of mustard based dip. I can assure you it was only used on the country style ribs.

*Forgive me Lord, for I have sinned*

:sun::you:

[THEFERMANATOR]

Mustard is for hotdogs, that's it. And I don't care for dry rubs either. I use a mixture of some sweet BBQ sauce(a tomato based one, NO vinegar sauce for me), lemon juice, and lOTS and lOTS of smoke in the smoker for mine. When I dod ribs, I marinate them overnight in my sauce and lemon juice mixture(with some secret herbs and spices), then they get smoked in my cabinet smoker. And I don't like my ribs to have a smoke ring in them, but to be completely smoked through the meat. About 2/3rds of teh way through I will immerse them in the marinade again and leave em in it for about 30 mintes in the top of the smoker in the marinade. Take em out of the marinade and then finish em off for about 30 minutes over 250 degree moist heat to make the sauce into a glaze on em. I have yet to find somebody who doiesn't like em. I've even had a vegetarian before that ate them and loved em.

Heres some I did awhile back.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271/THEFERMANATOR/ribs.jpg

Talk about a thread derail.

[Blue_Runner]

This thread has a bad case of HTD - Historic Thread Derail

[Hedge]

This thread has a bad case of HTD - Historic Thread Derail
:fight::you::fight::zip::beer::beer::beer::clap::s un:

[ssiredfish]

This thread has a bad case of HTD - Historic Thread Derail

Its funny you should mention that as I was just gettin ready to ask what kind of laundry detergent everyone was using.......personally, Im a Tide man used in conjunction with 2 Bounce sheets.

I know Tide might be a little pricey but its great at removing mustard, BBQ sauce and dry rub stains from my shirt..........

Now thats a relevant derail for that azz right there!!!!!!

[randlemanboater]

I never saw this as an argument, just a normal exchange between two Yankees.

I agree AND disagree with both of you, but thats just my opinion.:sand:

[Blue_Runner]

RB, now that is funny! :you:

SSI - I'm a Tide and Bounce man too but for those ground-in, hard to remove BBQ stains I sometimes resort to SHOUTing it out.

Tide --> Powder or Liquid? <-- My take is they are both messy and work equally well at attaining that mountain spring fresh smell.

How 'bout these:
Ford or John Deere?
Costa Del Mar or Maui Jim?
Bacon or Sausage?
Blonde or Brunette?
Honda or Toyota?
PC or Mac?
Busch Lite or.....awe hell no, we ain't goin back there!! :cen:

[THEFERMANATOR]

RB, now that is funny! :you:

SSI - I'm a Tide and Bounce man too but for those ground-in, hard to remove BBQ stains I sometimes resort to SHOUTing it out.

Tide --> Powder or Liquid? <-- My take is they are both messy and work equally well at attaining that mountain spring fresh smell.

How 'bout these:
Ford or John Deere? John Deere
Costa Del Mar or Maui Jim? Costa Del Mar's, is there anything else?
Bacon or Sausage? sausage
Blonde or Brunette? BRUNETTE all the way, unless you want to bring redheads into the mix:love:
Honda or Toyota? Neither, my DURAMAX was designed by ISUZU, but I prefer US made cars
PC or Mac? Unfortunately I have a PC, can't afford a Mac
Busch Lite or.....awe hell no, we ain't goin back there!! :cen: Don't drink, so don't matter

I'm allergic to tide, so we use PUREX liquid down here.

[ssiredfish]

Pearl Necklace or Beaded Headdress??????????

Oh crap which one?!?!?! Hurry,hurry, hurry..........dammit, too late......Baby where's the Tide??? Ok, just stay there.......

[THEFERMANATOR]

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff63/Blind_Pig/Derailment.jpg

[bgreene]

I never saw this as an argument, just a normal exchange between two Yankees.

I agree AND disagree with both of you, but thats just my opinion.:sand:


Oh you got an opinion too hu ? Ok what now - who makes the best key lime pie ?

[Destroyer]

Destroyer.........here are a few suggestions.......assuming you're not too brittle:
1. Calm down, we're joking around here. My reference to all the food talk getting in the way of a good argument should have been obvious - humor, not anger.
2. Let's not stray towards foul language.
3. Yup, I still think people shouldn't make negative public comments in ref to another guys item for sale.
4. Relax. Don't take this stuff too seriously. I'll be " pissed " if I list my boat and you
tell everyone that my price is " too much" but other than that, who cares really.

1. I was joking, that's why I made the comment about agreeing with you....Thought it was obvious. (hmmm...maybe you're the brittle one?) :p
2. You mean the "don't give a damn?" I'll refrain from further comments like that. Sorry, didn't realize you were so sensitive.. (I suggest that you use the Purex liquid soap... it's for sensitive skin)
3. I understand your point of view, really I do, but here's a hypothetical question for you. Suppose I see a boat for sale, and it has what is, to us, an obvious flaw. Are you saying that I/we/you shouldn't make a negative public comment in ref. to the other guys item for sale? If that's the case, then who do we best serve..the public?.. or the seller?
4. Actually the thought crossed my mind that it WAS your boat for sale and that's why you were taking the high and mighty road.

How 'bout these:
Ford or John Deere? JD
Costa Del Mar or Maui Jim? CDM
Bacon or Sausage? Bacon
Blonde or Brunette? Redhead
Honda or Toyota? Jeep or Land Rover
PC or Mac? PC
Busch Lite or.....awe hell no, we ain't goin back there!! :cen: No lite beer gets my vote except "maybe" Sam Adams...and that's a stretch.

Arm and Hammer for the clothes... it makes them smell clean & fresh.

(And Honey-Mustard Sauce is great for dipping chicken in...just not for BBQ)

[Hedge]

4. Actually the thought crossed my mind that it WAS your boat for sale and that's why you were taking the high and mighty road.

X2

[bgreene]

Destroyer - now I know what that name means........

Destroyer of other guys opportunities to sell their boats........or at least diminish that opportunity.

So let's see now, this is an internet forum about Wellcraft V boats.
Assume you have one too. I do.

Two different V's for sale - two separate listings
1. You tell the first guy - for all to see that he's asking too much money.
2. You copy and paste another guys listing and tell us all it's " too pricey"

You're either a spy of some kind, or your mission is to bring down the selling prices of these boats. Tell you what .......put your V up for sale, and I'll do likewise and make my mission to tell everyone that you're asking too much money, should be cheaper.

Only thing is - I don't do that sort of thing. Get it now or still too much lead in the way ?

[RWilson2526]

Wow there has been alot going on.....

Purex instead of Tide....same effectiveness, half the cost.

Vinegar based BBQ is not my favorite....breaks my friend from Florence's heart but it is what it is....

And how soon will it be before Bgreene or Destroyer calls the other an F'in Wanker?

[Hedge]

Wow there has been alot going on.....

And how soon will it be before Bgreene or Destroyer calls each other an F'in Wanker?
I was thinking the same thing. :you:

[Destroyer]

Destroyer - now I know what that name means........

Destroyer of other guys opportunities to sell their boats........or at least diminish that opportunity.

So let's see now, this is an internet forum about Wellcraft V boats.
Assume you have one too. I do.

Two different V's for sale - two separate listings
1. You tell the first guy - for all to see that he's asking too much money.
2. You copy and paste another guys listing and tell us all it's " too pricey"

You're either a spy of some kind, or your mission is to bring down the selling prices of these boats. Tell you what .......put your V up for sale, and I'll do likewise and make my mission to tell everyone that you're asking too much money, should be cheaper.

Only thing is - I don't do that sort of thing. Get it now or still too much lead in the way ?

Look up the thread(s) on how people got their names and you'll see what my name really means. I neither create nor destroy other peoples opportunities for anything.

Seems to me that only a fool would let someone else tell them how much they should or should not spend. Like I've said before, ultimately, the true value of an item is what a person is willing to pay for it. That price is set between the buyer and the seller.

Now, in your example, what would be the gain to me if I was to say that both boats were too costly? The only way I could gain would be to become a buyer of one of them. But it would hurt me when I went to sell my boat. So it makes no sense. Since I read tons of ads daily and do know what these boats are selling for on average, then I should be allowed, like everyone else here, to express that opinion.

I've also made comments in the past that I thought that people got their boats at a steal when someone paid less than what I thought a boat was worth. Do you think the buyer should then go back to the seller and give them more money based on what I said?

My boat is a 78 in reasonably good shape, but I'm not a fool with some kind of delusion of it's worth. I know that, as she sits right now, and in this present economic market, she's worth somewhere between 2 and 4 thousand. When I sell her, I'll ask higher than that, and try to present to the buyer why she is worth what I'm asking. The buyer, on the other hand, will try to present to me why they want to pay less. No matter what anyone else may or may not have said or printed the final price will be what the two of us argee on. That will be it's true market value.

If you're talking about that guy that wanted $14+ grand for his boat, then if you read the post you'll notice that I was not the only one that expressed the opinion that he was asking too much. (I still have the same opinion btw). As to this post, I started this thread with the comment that the boat was too pricey for me, but I STILL WOULD HAVE LIKED TO BUY IT IF I COULD HAVE AFFORDED IT. I never said the boat was not worth the money, or that the seller was asking too much from other people, just that he was asking too much as it related to MY wallet.

Really isn't that what every single one of us do with every single purchase we make? Be it a house, car, boat or groceries from the store....if we can afford something and we want it and buy it then the item was set at the right price. If we walk away from it then the item was too high. But we only make that decision at the time of purchase.

As a further example, right now my wife and I are looking at new washers and dryers since ours were destroyed in the flood. We've finally narrowed it down to a few different models of Matag front loaders. The prices for the same model vary significantly between different retailers. The one that has the best price will get our business. It has nothing to do with what someone else did or did not tell us to pay.

I understand the point you're trying to make, really I do. I know that you're looking to sell your boat sometime in the future and that you'll want to get the most money for it that you can, but truthfully, what I'm trying to show you is that nothing that someone else says here or somewhere else will effect the price you sell it for. Only you, as the seller and someone else, as the buyer will be able to establish the true market value of your boat.

There is a saying that opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one. Your opinion and mine just happen to be at odds on this subject. It's like saying that one BBQ is better than another's. It's only an opinion, and it's impossible to prove. My opinion is that we should just eat the BBQ and not worry about who's right or wrong. :head:

(Pass the corn on the cob please):beer:

[Hedge]

The end...

[randlemanboater]

Oh you got an opinion too hu ? Ok what now - who makes the best key lime pie ?

That one is easy, Key West Pie Company, which is actually in Big Bine Key, makes the best KLP.

[THEFERMANATOR]

That one is easy, Key West Pie Company, which is actually in Big Bine Key, makes the best KLP.

I've had better at a few restaurants down there. KLP Co didn't really impress me as I found it to be way to tart even for KLP.

[Destroyer]

I'm not really a fan of KLP, but a good Apple Brown Betty hot from the oven is hard to beat. :clap:

[bgreene]

Yup the end....... Now about key lime pie......

[captpete13]

I like key lime pie.

[CaptJ]

Mustard is for hotdogs, that's it. And I don't care for dry rubs either. I use a mixture of some sweet BBQ sauce(a tomato based one, NO vinegar sauce for me), lemon juice, and lOTS and lOTS of smoke in the smoker for mine. When I dod ribs, I marinate them overnight in my sauce and lemon juice mixture(with some secret herbs and spices), then they get smoked in my cabinet smoker. And I don't like my ribs to have a smoke ring in them, but to be completely smoked through the meat. About 2/3rds of teh way through I will immerse them in the marinade again and leave em in it for about 30 mintes in the top of the smoker in the marinade. Take em out of the marinade and then finish em off for about 30 minutes over 250 degree moist heat to make the sauce into a glaze on em. I have yet to find somebody who doiesn't like em. I've even had a vegetarian before that ate them and loved em.

Heres some I did awhile back.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271/THEFERMANATOR/ribs.jpg

Talk about a thread derail.



Even though I am extremely busy, I will make time and volunteerily be the guinea pig here, send me a rack.

[randlemanboater]

I've had better at a few restaurants down there. KLP Co didn't really impress me as I found it to be way to tart even for KLP.

The extra tart is why I like it.

[RidgeRunner]

Looks like I missed the fireworks. Everyone has an opinion.



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Mom's pie is best. Chess pie is my favorite but her key lime is to die for. I prefer them made with limes of an ever bearing lime tree instead of the fickle key limes that are prevalent in SFL. Mustard IS for Brats, Vinegar is for salad dressing and cleaning electrical connections, Red sauce is where its at for me on the Q.
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[Blue_Runner]

What is red sauce? Gotta have ketchup in it right?

[RidgeRunner]

See nice pic of red sauce on Ferm's ribs. It is a red tomato base sauce.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Yep, sauce has to be tomato based. NO and I mean NO vinegar sauce for me. I don't care for teh taste of it, and it tear my ulcers up BIG TIME! SONNYS has a good sweet sauce available in most big chain stores that is a pretty good base to use.

[Blue_Runner]

10-4.

When I don't have time or access to make the Lexington style I normally buy a bottle of Sweet Baby Ray's Hickory and Brow Sugar and cut it by almost half with water. It thins it out a bit given that it is very thick straight out of the bottle.

Hard to beat some good ribs no matter what you put on em (or don't put on em)!

[phatdaddy]

i'd lot rather talk about this than how much yankees want to charge each other for boats

i like johnboy& billies grillin sauce for a off the shelve sauce.

[RidgeRunner]

Anyone ever have Vidalia Onion Casserole/pie? It goes great with Q, I gotta get the recipe from my BBQ buddy Norm. He would make it and enter it in the "anything but BBQ" category at the cooking competitions.

I was his taste tester for a time. He never made any bad BBQ but what the judges wanted was really crazy. The ribs needed to be tender but chewy? They judged on presentation? and oh yeah the meat could not be falling off the bone, it had to pull off the bone easily? What? I like BBQ that requires the heavy duty foil to be placed underneath to keep it all together, like Ferm's picture.

[Destroyer]

Anyone ever have Vidalia Onion Casserole/pie? It goes great with Q, I gotta get the recipe from my BBQ buddy Norm. He would make it and enter it in the "anything but BBQ" category at the cooking competitions.

I was his taste tester for a time. He never made any bad BBQ but what the judges wanted was really crazy. The ribs needed to be tender but chewy? They judged on presentation? and oh yeah the meat could not be falling off the bone, it had to pull off the bone easily? What? I like BBQ that requires the heavy duty foil to be placed underneath to keep it all together, like Ferm's picture.

IMHO if the meat isn't falling off the bone the ribs aren't done. Presentation is cool, but not really important. A plate with a full rack o' ribs, corn on the cob and some smashed taters w/ gravy makes it's own presentation. It's a thing of beauty and a joy to behold. Who the hell wants chewy meat? I want something that almost melts in your mouth. Something that explodes with flavor and leaves you looking forward to the next mouthful. And a nice cold beer or ale to cleanse the palate is sweet icing on the cake. :beer:

[Blue_Runner]

Amen Amen and Amen

[reh76]

IMHO if the meat isn't falling off the bone the ribs aren't done. Presentation is cool, but not really important. A plate with a full rack o' ribs, corn on the cob and some smashed taters w/ gravy makes it's own presentation. It's a thing of beauty and a joy to behold. Who the hell wants chewy meat? I want something that almost melts in your mouth. Something that explodes with flavor and leaves you looking forward to the next mouthful. And a nice cold beer or ale to cleanse the palate is sweet icing on the cake. :beer:

Well said! When a rib is done right, the bone is clean after you eat it, no little chunks of meat stuck to it.

[bradford]

Well said! When a rib is done right, the bone is clean after you eat it, no little chunks of meat stuck to it.

I KNOW DAS RITE! :sun:

[bradford]

I wonder if "JOE" in new jersey knows that he now has nearly 10 pages on a V20 web forum dedicated to his boat, keylime pie, and BBQ sauce. I'd be interested in knowing his opinion.

[bradford]

I wonder if "JOE" in new jersey knows that he now has nearly 10 pages on a V20 web forum dedicated to his boat, keylime pie, and BBQ sauce. I'd be interested in knowing his opinion.


His opinion about the thread that is, not his taste in BBQ sauce. :nut:

[Blue_Runner]

I wonder if "JOE" in new jersey knows that he now has nearly 10 pages on a V20 web forum dedicated to his boat, keylime pie, and BBQ sauce. I'd be interested in knowing his opinion.
...and what constitutes "done" when cooking ribs....

I bet JOE has not a clue.

[RidgeRunner]

They are done when all of the fat is rendered out. In pork that is...:you:

[Blue_Runner]

When I try to pick it up and a bone comes out or falls out, they are done.