New Engine

[garbubba]

Took the boat to the shop last week, shift cable had frozen & broken. Turns out the shift shaft had frozen & the motor was so rusted up the mechanic said he could not get it apart to fix.

Motor is a '95 Merc 200 offshore, a gas hog but has served me well. The mechanic said he could put a Merc '05 200 EFI on it that was in good shape for $6000 & he'd give me $800 for the old merc.

Really don't want to go big bucks on a yammie 4 stroke which is what I want, just put new appliances in the kitchen!

He said much better milage on the new merc (not hard to believe) & a little lighter, both things I'd want.

What do y'all think?

Doug

[lumberslinger178]

I'd do it . or should I say i did it.:clap:

[garbubba]

Thanks lumber, so you think it's a good deal right?

Your '
87 is a dual console?!! I thought they only came out later?

Doug

[Skools Out]

does that include new controls and mounting? sounds high to me for a 6 yr old motor. i'd say look around a little first MJ didn't pay much more for his 4 stroke yamaha.

[RidgeRunner]

I don't want to slam the mechanic or anyone else, but a 95 and a 05 Merc are going to weight in about the same. Same displacement (2.5L) just a different fuel delivery. Fuel mileage is not going to be that much different either. If the 05 is EFI you might pick up a little fuel mileage but not much. If the 2005 is a DFI (Optimax, 3.0L) it will give roughly 45% improvement in mileage but is actually heavier than the old carbed 200.
What you will gain is ease of starting and IMO slightly smoother running with the EFI. The EFI is computer controlled so they are more complex than the old carbed motor but they have proven very reliable. Touch the key and go like a modern day automobile, no more choking it to start.
I doubt it is the Optimax at that price because it uses a different wiring harness and Smartcraft gauges $$$.
Labor counts for something, any warranty? If I read this right you would be out of pocket $5200, including the labor? If so that puts the actual cost of the motor at around $4800 to $4900 plus labor. Maybe a little on the high end.

[Blue_Runner]

Unless you live in FL, no sales tax on this one..............
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/yamaha150-2-stroke-25inch-NEW-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4153027702QQitemZ28056 5544706QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear

[macojoe]

I just bought a 2004 Yamaha 225 4 stroke with all controls SS prop and all gauges for $7000 and it has just 200 hours on it.

http://wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?t=13279&highlight=225+4+stroke

That said I would not go more then a 150 hp in a 4 stroke as the weight is unreel!! 600 + pounds for my 225!!

When re powering these older boats they were never meant for these 4 strokes! I would go with a same year or older good motor or if new a Etec, they much lighter!

I just took a 175 merc 2.4 off my boat, early 90's and ran like a champ and great gas mileage.
Thats what I be looking for instead od a 2.5 or gas hog 3.0!!
And I know a lot of guys all love to add 200 + HP but these boats do great with a nice 150 on them! above that its just a waste of the little you gain in speed and gas.

Just my opinion, Good Luck!

[garbubba]

Thanks for all the input guys.

It is an EFI, & the plan was to use the controls from my 200 offshore that are on the boat.

Didn't ask about a warranty, I'll add that to the list.

I was planning to go to a 150, rarely need all the power I have now & could use some more range, I like to take it out to the blue water.

I'm torn between trying to get the price down or just bringing it home starting the search, problem is snapper season starts next week & because of the oil spill I haven't been fishing in a LONG time.

Thanks again,

Doug

[THEFERMANATOR]

$6K for an 05 200 EFI MERC sounds REALLY high to me. Down here engines tend to go for a premium(boats go for cheap though, go figure), and I would expect an engine like that one to go for $4K tops. I've seen OPTIS with warranty on em still go for $6K. I'm a cheap skate, but I persoanally would head over to screamandfly and look for a good sweetwater engine thats never seen the salt before for that kind of money. I bought a 95 XRI 150 4 years ago for $2600 with a boat and trailer from a member over there. And this was a freshwater engine with no rust or corrosion anywhere on it.

[garbubba]

Thanks again for the input,

I'm looking around at alternatives a bit more before I decide, boat still at the shop.

Looks like we're likely to have tropical weather here when snapper season opens anyway.

I found a 2008 Yammie 150 nearby on Craigs list:

http://gulfport.craigslist.org/boa/1902064039.html

This is more what I've been looking for a 150 instead of the 200 so better fuel economy and a good bit lighter, right?

My son in law has the 2002 version of this & I've been coveting it for years

I've been working up until tonight so I haven't seen it yet, I asked if it was a 25: shaft (It looked like it but the boat looked like it would use a 20".

Can y'all tell by looking? It is a normal 2 stroke & not the HPDI, right?

Anybody have an idea of what the controls will cost me, & how much to expect for an install (may do it myself).

Thanks,

Doug

[THEFERMANATOR]

That YAMAHA appears to be one of the last 150 carbed engines that YAMAHA made. Yes that engine is legendary my anybodys standards as YAMAHA made that engine with only minor upgrades for about 20 years. It is also a 25" shaft for the one in the ad. If it checks out good I would be all over that one, and I don't even like YAMAHAS.

[garbubba]

Thanks Ferm,

It seems like a good deal, maybe too good to be true, so I'll be careful.

Why don't you like yammies?

I've run Mercs for a lifetime (I'm a park ranger & have worked the coast my whole life) Thi slast one 200 offshore has been enough trouble that I'm ready for a change.

Doug

[bradford]

I'd have that '08 yamaha checked out by a yamaha or trusted mechanic and find out if the price includes the controls and gauges. Also find out why he's selling. People usually don't take perfectly good working outboards off and sell them without a reason. If it checks out i'd buy it. Check with Willy, Blue Runner, Spareparts, and Whatknot, they've all had experience with those engines.

[THEFERMANATOR]

I just don't prefer YAMAHAS is all. Nothing against em as they tend to be some good engines. I prefer made in the USA if I can find it myself. But also I've noticed that YAMAHAS tend to be some of the slower engines in there HP class.

[Skools Out]

i'd be all over that 150 Yamaha. As for the later Mercs they had yamaha powerheads.

[Blue_Runner]

I have an '04 model - same engine.

The first thing I'd question is whether or not it is really an '08 - can't remember but it seems like '06 or '07 might have been the last year for the carbed 2 stroke? Maybe not, but easy enough to look at the model number and find out.

Mine came w/ a 2 year warranty and I've seen others that had the 2 year warranty. It stands to reason he is selling it because:

a) out of warranty
b) upgrading to 4-stroke
c) he needs a 20" shaft (see the jackplate?) or
d) he's broke as a joke
e) all of the above

Yamaha premium side flush mount controls run low to mid $300's new and cables will set you back another $75 or so. Not to mention the prop which tends to be pretty expensive.

[macojoe]

I have had a few Yamaha's and most have been great motors! Bust $$$ for parts and stuff when needed.

[THEFERMANATOR]

I have an '04 model - same engine.

The first thing I'd question is whether or not it is really an '08 - can't remember but it seems like '06 or '07 might have been the last year for the carbed 2 stroke? Maybe not, but easy enough to look at the model number and find out.

Around 06 or 07 YAMAHA quit assigning engines a model year per say, and started making the year of the engine the year it was sold. So in theory you could have an engine that was built in 07, but called an 09 because it was a leftover.

[Macrenovations]

Just food for thought lately I've seen a lot of people in trouble financially as are most of us But they are selling what ever they can off their boats , cars , trucks you name it before it is repossessed. So just be careful he can sign he's life away to you but if he does not own the boat you would in seance being receiving stolen property and they will take it. At that point the only legal way to get you money back is though court and that's a joke all in it self.

[macojoe]

Right on the mounting bracket of Yamaha's there is a build date, this will tell you what you have. Mine is DEC04

[garbubba]

Been really backed up at work & home too, called about the motor today, had to leave a message. I really appreciate all the input guys & I'll let you know how it turns out.

Doug