Cheap V-20 project

[msbhammer]

Not bad, but as usual, its in Fl. Something for Randleman maybe ??
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WELLCRAFT-20-W-TRAILER-NO-MOTOR_W0QQitemZ130075275849QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6372 5QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f153/msbhammer/randlbv.jpg

[randlemanboater]

Floors too high in those 88's.

[msbhammer]

Walk on your knee's then ;D

[randlemanboater]

It is a nice looking V, just a long way from me.

[macojoe]

after the 70's the floors all high!
My boat (75) has no flotation, and if was to go down it would not stop till it got to the bottom!

They raised the deck, later to make room for the flotation.

[randlemanboater]

Floatation good, sinking bad.


What year did they start with the foam?

[macojoe]

Not sure?? I want to say 77 or 78 But defiantly anything 80 and up has it!

[Mulv80]

My 79 doesnt have any foam. It makes for a loud ride in chop but I also attribute my solid floor and stringers in a 27 year old boat to the lack of foam.

[randlemanboater]

If people would keep the front of their boats jacked up, that wouldn't be as big an issue.

It kills me to see a boat sitting in a yard uncovered with the bow on the ground. I want to stop and prop em up.

[Skools Out]

My 78 has foam under the floor.

[macojoe]

79 don't, 78 does ?? Maybe they were undecided??

I thought they said it was 78 they started?? But I can say for sure 75 does not and all 80 + does

[randlemanboater]

Could be it was offered as an option?

[parishht]

Dam, I was hoping my 78 didn't have foam,
I have to pull the tank this year and clean it really good. >:(

[Skools Out]

that 79 should have it unless someone has taken the floor out at some point and removed the foam and never replaced ???

[Skools Out]

just read the V20 1978 page that yr they raised the Max HP to 240 wow plus made the cabin larger

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/albums/cat_1978/09_G.jpg

[TunaHead]

Ok... I've been lurking for a quite a while but it's time to jump in. Don't own a V-20 but I have seen a few up close. (They are few and far between here in Northen California.) Thanks to you guys and this section of the forum "V-20" and "Wellcraft" have become nearly forbidden words at my house... for now. This year we get a new car for the lady. Next year you guys are going to help me track down the V-20 of my dreams. (I figure you owe me this cuz my addiction is mostly your fault.) I am still salivating over "Old School". Would have snapped that up from Willy if the timing was better.

Now to my question: Did the addition of flotation and the change in deck height coincide with the self bailing feature?

TunaHead

[Mulv80]

CORRECTION: My 79 has foam around the gas tank, however this is the only location where there is foam and I would find it hard to believe that this little bit of foam would provide any substantial bouyancy if needed.

[reelapeelin]

Now to my question: Did the addition of flotation and the change in deck height coincide with the self bailing feature?

TunaHead




Yep...good observation...deck has to be above water-line in order to "self-bail" w/ out pumps, etc...


Good luck in your search for V-20 when you're ready...you're doin' the right thing by keepin' an eye here...some very nice "Vs" for sale go thru here...I'd have a yard full of 'em if I could
;) ...

[LESTERUS]

MULV:

OUR'S DONT HAVE FOAM, HOWEVER THE BUNK BEDS ARE HOLOW PLUS THE ANCHOR HOLDING SPACE ((IF YOU HAVE AN O RING HATCH) WOULD MAKE ANOTHER FLOTATION AREA.

LESTERUS

[randlemanboater]

This one seems to be staying pretty cheep, but who knows with these things.

Its 750 miles away from me!!!!!

[THEFERMANATOR]

It's only about 250 miles from me, and yes I'm watching it closely. Mine has turned into a MUCH bigger project than I anticapated so I'd rather get one needing less work. But there is some things about it that concern me.

1. The transom looks wet around the port lower engine mounting hole. Could be a sign of the transom having some saturation.

2. I sent the guy some questions on FRIDAY and he has yet to respond to the ones where I asked about the transom and floor having any soft spots, delamination, saturation or cracking. This gives me a bad feeling about this seller. He responded to my other questions, but not this one. And he has posted the answers to many other questions since then.

[macojoe]

I just asked the same question, just to see if he answers me??
My be he is just sick of your questions!! :P ;) ;D

[THEFERMANATOR]

I just asked the same question, just to see if he answers me??
My be he is just sick of your questions!! *:P ;) ;D
I've only sent him 2 different messages through E-bay, the first one was what type of controls and the second was about the transom and floor. I just sent him one to see if he'll let me come take a look at it. It aint that far of a drive for me really, and mine needs alot of work. I'd like to get in some winter grouper fishing this year, but all of my boats that can go offshore are project boats >:(.

[msbhammer]

I just emailed teh guy the same questions about the transom and floor. Lets see if he responds. ;D

[macojoe]

nothing yet to me??

Lets all email him! all 1033 V20 owners!!

[msbhammer]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[THEFERMANATOR]

He's answering the simple questions, but hasn't seemed to have responded to the biggies. Maybe his feedback is appropriate? I hope not, I want to get some fishing in this winter still. I've got a line on a NICE 90 200HP EVINRUDE for $2500(can probably get him for less).

[Skools Out]

that's way to much for a 1990 200 not worth over $1100

[THEFERMANATOR]

that's way to much for a 1990 200 not worth over $1100
It was a mostly freshwater motor. Very clean no corrosion. And comes with a 30 day warranty. And I don't know about your area, but here in FL these V-6 JOHNNY-RUDES are still fetching a pretty penny. And NADA put it around $2800 I believe when I run it.

[macojoe]

He replied back to me with one sentence :

Item: WELLCRAFT 20' W/TRAILER NO MOTOR (130075275849)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
dipstick427 is the seller.
TRANSOM AND FLOORS ARE GOOD,THE FLOOR IN THIS BOAT IS FIBERGLASS

[msbhammer]

He replied back to me as well saying transom is solid and ready to fish. ;D

[THEFERMANATOR]

He still hasn't answered my question about the floor and transom, but he did give me the address.

[randlemanboater]

So you bidding?

[THEFERMANATOR]

So you bidding?
NOPE!!!
I went and looked at it today(286 miles one way) and boy was I disapointed. It isn't in horrible condition, but nothing like what the pictures show. Somebody went and painted it with a roller(you can see the roller lines when you get close), and there are numerous spots on the bottom where it has been hit and repaired(and some still needing repair). There not major, but should be attended to. There is also about a 1/4" hole anout 1 1/2" deep in the transom(where somebody had something mouted at one tim but isn't there anymore), that is on the port side next to the engine below the waterline(and yes it was wet inside of it). There are numerous spider and thin hairline cracks inside on the transom and the stringer atatchment area. And I realize I'm a big guy(about 260), but I barely put a 100 lbs of pressure on the foot of the outboard and it moved almost an inch. Also the bottom of the clamp brackets sunk into the transom about an 1/8" by me just pushing inward on the engine by hand. The deck in it is solid(about the only thing that was really nice about it), but the port side seeat is pretty well rotted out. There was also water standing in the cabin floor, and you could see quite a bit of water standing in the bottom of the hull below the cabin drain. The trailer has new tires and wheels on it, but that is about it. The hubs looked untouched, and the bunk mounting brackets were heavily rusted. And the trailer fits the boat poorly as well. I know I'm a bit of a perfectionist, but this thing is gonna need a transom in probably a 1 or 2. And the trailer should have new bunk brackets installed and bunk carpeting before a long trip. And the boat really didn't look that nice once you got up close to it because of all of the roller lines down the sides. Maybe I'm being to critical of it, but you won't see me bidding on it. My current V is in almost as good a condition, and looks a whole lot better with original gel-coat on the sides.

[randlemanboater]

Thanks for the good info FERM.

Sorry it wasn't a good one for ya, or me.

[reelapeelin]

That's a long ride...sorry it was disappointment... :-/...sounds like he needs to plan on givin' it away... :) ...

[randlemanboater]

I just looked, bid is over $2K now w/ 6 hrs to go.

[Mulv80]

I cant believe this boat with no power is over $2000

[randlemanboater]

Well it looks good in the pics, and the guys is saying it is solid.

That's why I don't care for online auctions. I know some people get some great deals but I either loose out at the last minute or win the auction and get shafted with a piece of junk that looked good in the picture.

[Mulv80]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-wellcraft-steplift-v-20_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63726QQihZ012QQitemZ 220077599852QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

This one that has been posted before doenst look bad for the money. I bet this could be had for $4500

[msbhammer]

I cant believe that boat is over 2 grand as well. Pretty decieving, looks good in the pics. :'(

[randlemanboater]

$2425.00 when it ended, but reserve not met so nobody got screwed.

[THEFERMANATOR]

He had a for sale sign on it for $4500 as a running boat. It was one of those nice from a far, but far from nice deals to me. It really didn't look that good when you got up close to it. But my main concern was transom flex and all of the hairline cracks in the inner transom. Hopefully the new owner isn't as discriminating as me. But then again I want to go fish on a reef, NOT MAKE A REEF!

[JeffXJ]

I know I'm going back to page one of this post, but sometimes I'm a little slow. Foam under the floor was mention and it seems everone is saying Wellcraft didn't start putting foam under the floor until late '70s - early '80s ish... My boat is a 1971 and this is what I found while removing the rot from the transom

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/JeffXJ/DSC00274.jpg

I'm not sure if that's Wellcraft's work or someone's personal handywork, but it appears to go the length of the floor between (but only between the stringers). I'll know for sure once the inner liner is out.

[macojoe]

Interesting!!
Make sure you take many pictures and let us see what she gots in there!!
I have a 75 and was always told there was nothing until they raised the decks in the late 70's??

[reelapeelin]

WOW...glad to hear there's at least a CHANCE of flotation in mine ... Thanks, Jeff !! ;) ;D ...