22 OFFSHORE

[THEFERMANATOR]

What do you guys think of this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160083452813&fromMakeT rack=true

[phester]

it's got a roomy no-frills layout , not much in the way gunnel hieght or deadrise.....looks to be a wet ride, just speculating, although I'd rather have a v20 CC any day.

[phester]

.....nice trailer

[Skools Out]

hum i agree only see a nice trailer

motor of that brand those years = junk

boat looks like a rough & wet riding boat.

[msbhammer]

Was just looking at it on E-Bay myself. Reminds me of a skiff almost. Low v and low gunnels.

[THEFERMANATOR]

hum i agree only see a nice trailer

motor *of that brand those years = junk

boat looks like a rough & wet riding boat.
They actually ride pretty nice and dry for a 22' that can be pushed with low HP. A friend had one and we used to go 45 miles out in the gulf in it, but we did have to take it s,ow and steady to get the decent ride. At 16-18 knots was where it rode best. His also had a 140 SUZUKI on it, NEVER gave a moments trouble. Just curious if anybody else out there had any experience with them. But the gunnels are a little low though.

Hey skools; what problems did they have with those years? I don't have much experience with the 140 ZUKES other than the one(believe his was an 88).

[Skools Out]

lol *what trouble didn't they have. run from all suzuki outboards *built before 1997 they had major oiling issues just ask Bygracealone he had 2 sets of them both pairs went belly up.

[THEFERMANATOR]

lol *what trouble didn't they have. run from all suzuki outboards *built before 1997 they had major oiling issues just ask Bygracealone he had 2 sets of them both pairs went belly up.
I had 2 25HP ZUKES that were both older oil injected motors and both were completely trouble free. They used the same basic system that YAMAHA used, a MIKUNI style variable engine driven pump. Most up till 94-95 had individual oilers for each cylinder, and after that they oiled through the fuel line.

[Skools Out]

ok buy it good luck not answering your questions anymore since you just reply an argument everytime.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Just trying to figure out what you mean by the oil injection problem or engine problems, not trying to be argumentative. I guess I've just had good luck with em. But then again many people had good luck with EVINRUDES until the FICHTS came around. And there are many happy SUZUKI V6 2-stroke owners, and there are many with a distaste for them that suffered a burned cylinder @ under 100 hours.

[willy]

Ferm, the 9.9 hp Suzy you see on my V20 as a auxillary has been on two boats as the full time motor (aluminum fresh water) and two boats as the auxillary. It starts first time every time and runs like it is a 25 hp. Pushes the V to 10-12 mph :o
This always happens with motors in particular, I don't care for mercs because of my personal experience and that of the people I have fished and boated with, but another guy does not care for Rudes or whatever because of his experience.
Some guys stopped liking yammies when they first came out because they would rust to death in the salt especially.
It all comes down to what your experience has been.
Skools can take an Rude/Johnnie apart in his sleep, and may have had some sexual experiences with them ;D so he favors them.
Big Shrimpin has the same thing for Mercs, though I don't believe he has had relations with them.
Wind Talker loves yammies and is comfortable working on them, and God only knows what he does to them when the sun goes down ::)
A lot of guys are hot for the ETEC, including myself, but they have little time on the water so far and according to the ETEC tech I spoke with they are nothing more than a FICHT motor block with an improved computer, much faster and supposedly more durable along with some fuel delivery improvements. I asked him what he runs on his boat. He smiled and said a yammie.
Blondes, red heads, brunettes, Irish Italian Asian (with injured wrists) it all comes down to personal comfort and experiences.

[chumbucket]

Ah. The voice of reason.











Who are you, and what have you done with willy? >:( ;D

[willy]

It's me, really it's me CB. ;D

[chumbucket]

Take a shot of JD and then post something just so's I can be sure. ;) ;D

[reelapeelin]

Na...it's him, CB...the chick reference at the end of the post gave the old skirt-chaser away..."Hey, Baby...wanna see me twirl my baton?" ;D ;D ;D ;D ...

[sfprovyn]

I'm no mechanic but here is my take on used motors either fresh or salt water..Any motor that age is a throw away regardless of who makes them in my opinion unless you have the skills that skools has and can rebuild them so you are pretty much just buying the boat. A friend of mine bought a big water duck boat last year with a very clean fresh water 1992 Zuki 2 stroke 90 HP with low hours on it and it ran like a banchie but started to heat up because it sucked up a lot of sand and the heat alarm was on at low speed so we decided to put on a new water pump...NO BIG DEAL....We worked on the lower unit for two days and could not budge it as it was fused to the power head at the other end ..He took it to a zuki dealer who even tried heat, drop weights etc but no go so the guy told him that it was toast as it would not come free ..I had a merc do the same thing a few years ago but again it was an old motor also..I have personally had MUCH better luck with Johnnyrudes over the years but thats just me and they are easy to get parts for..A friend of mine up the creek has a new VERY high dollar Zukie 300 on his whaler and loves it...I know a guy in canada that just buys old 70's and 80's johnnyrudes for his fish camps for 5 to 6 hundred dollars apiece that seem to run forever with no proper maintenance and when they blow he rebuilds them as he has so many parts available..and the winters are long....Frank

[reelapeelin]

Yep...buyin' a used motor can be a crap-shoot, but there are many success stories...my ol' '86 Rude gave me several years of trouble-free use B4 it died...I's reel pleased w/ it... ;) ...

[Skools Out]

I've never heard a bad thing about small ones just the larger ones i'm not down on Suzuki I've had several of their GSX-R Bikes. my favorite street bike but their old outboards in the 50 to 60 HP up i stay away from till they get to be 1998 up i'd take them. My favorite bike was a 1995 GSX-R 750 frame with a 1997 GSX-R 1100 motor bored to 1218 with kehin 40's.

[THEFERMANATOR]

As with any outboard, there are good and bad ones. When I was a kid everybody said stay away from MERCURY, but I've found them to be pretty solid. JOHNNY-RUDES used to be KING, but then came the FICHTS. I personally never liked YAMAHA, and still don't(yet I have a 250 at the house I'm rebuilding). And SUZUKI had alot of issues with corrosion, and I know the V-6's had issues with cylinders going out @ under 100 hours. They have good and bad ones, just like women ;D.

[willy]

Do you know any bad women Ferm, let me know, I specialize in attitude adjustments 8)

[randlemanboater]

My favorite bike was a 1995 GSX-R 750 frame with a 1997 GSX-R 1100 motor bored to 1218 with kehin 40's.

That's what I'm talking about!!!!

[Skools Out]

oh yeah that was a super fast bike took to piedmont and the first pass went a 5.23 in an 1/8 then i turned on the bottle made a pass with both NOS and air shifter and went a 4.14 in 1/8 oh yeah that was a fast bike.

[randlemanboater]

I'll stick w/ my 1993 CBR 1000. That is "STUPID" fast as the kids say these days.

[Skools Out]

lol it was stupid fast then i can remember nights on the highway going from Burlington to Charlotte on the bikes we wound get there in about 40 min so you know we were flying but that was yrs ago in my younger dumber days

[randlemanboater]

What dont kill ya makes you stronger.

[THEFERMANATOR]

What dont kill ya makes you stronger.
Keep thinkin that. I almost met my maker, and it shure didn't make me any stronger.

[sfprovyn]

Skools Out: When I was a kid in Kansas the 750 Norton wranglers and Harley Sportsters were the real deal .All the bikes in those days were very weak magnito lights and kick starts.One night 4 of us all wined up after drinking all night were flying along around 90 or so when a young buffalo calf jumped right out in front of us and slipped on the pavement..3 of us zigged and the other guy zagged and hit it square on and never knew what hit him..I kept riding until earlier this year when I started having cramps in my right hand so I sold Harley number 7 and never looked back..I'm glad they did not have crotch rockets in those days or I would of killed myself for sure...Frank

[Skools Out]

yeah i sold all mine too i was behind a friiend and he hit a lady head on, he lived but has major brain damage now all because a rock threw him into the wrong lane. i sold my bike right after and used the money to buy several jetskis.

[willy]

spent twenty years riding, two years allover europe and the rest all over the states and canada. Love it. Two decent accidents though, neither my fault, one, the last one a guy made a left in front of me on my suzuki 1100,, I went sideways into his passenger door. Totaled his door and my helmut crushed his door frame top and the roof line was crumpled in.
I bought another bike, suzy gs 850. decent bike but had two close calls with it, again neither my fault. One my CEO was on with me. I managed to ride thru both but it was close.
Then one day on the way home at about 60 on the highway the rear tire decided for unknown reason to blow out in a hundred little pieces. I went side to side so hard and so fast for at least a quarter mile. Rode it to the end kept it up. Got the bike towed to the dealer and replaced the rim(toast) and tire and picked it up a wekk or two later.
I'm not saying I was scared to ride. Kept the bike for another two years and rode occassionaly. But I always had in the back of my mind that I had done everything right and still got f@cked up twice and almost a third time for reasons beyond my control.
When my second was born I decided it was time to go. I've ridden a few times since, on others bikes but it just ain't the same for me.
I would much rather have a nice drop top, corvette, beemer, austin healy. Something with four wheels and brakes, sheet metal all around and a top that can go up when it gets too cold or wet.
Maybe if I lived in Arizona or New Mexico or SoCal I'd consider it again but likely not. The drop top would be just fine.

[sfprovyn]

There is no wiggle room with bikes and there are too many idiots on cell phones on the road these days that never watch the road. The bikes these days are way too powerful in my opinion and can easily get away from ya..Last year some young marine riding a souped up crotch rocket T-Boned an oak tree in Emerald Isle and they think he was doing in excess of 120 . I used to ride with the deputy who was first on the scene and he told me that the guy was nothing but mush and even his father could not make a positive ID...When I was younger of course I never thought about these things...Frank

[willy]

Yea, I've seen some horrible things as a cop too. When your young you are invincible. When you get a little older, well you see life for the precious and precarious thing it really is.
When you have kids, you see what you got away with and realize how stupid, how lucky you really were. And you hope they can glean some of the wisdom you have in your eyes.

[bradford]

A friend of mine had an early 90's suzuki 90h.p. and said it was crap. Said it had plastic parts where there should have been metal. He also had the same problem with the shaft seizing. After paying the dealership to fix it, it blew up and he bought an evinrude. I think an Offshore 22 would make a good bay or gulf boat, but i sure wouldn't want to get into any sloppy seas with one. Just my 2 cents worth.

[macojoe]

When I started, my first motor was a 6 hp Johnson on a 12' sears gear fisher. Never never had a issue!!

Then I got a 17' with a 1971 60 hp Johnson, ran perfect every time!! But I one problem after another with the electric shifters!! and after tearing the lower unit down 4 different times I got rid of it!!

But I was in love the way Johnson ran and especially the way it started every time!! Like hitting a light switch!

Then I got a 1990 90hp Merc, that motor ran great and I think stronger then the Johnston, But I hated the way it started!! Never knew weather it would or not? Always did.

Then Got the V20 I/O and we won't go there! >:(

Converted to the Yamaha, and loved it!! till it died :'( Got a second Yamaha that was DOA on arrival >:(

Now I have a 1989 Enivrude 175 and as far as I can tell she runs great!! Had a few issues, but I think I have worked them all out.
Keeping my fingers crossed for the up coming season!!


Now if I had the cash, I would have a new Yamaha or E-tec

But for now, if it runs and I can disconnect the oil injection its the motor for me!!