Oil spill

[nipper]

What a mess. I really feel for you guys down on the Gulf coast. Let's pray that BP and the government get that thing capped and the oil cleaned up.

[Destroyer]

Amen.

[phatdaddy]

we're about 150 miles ne and are expecting it to hit in around 2 weeks. scary thing is they don't expect it to be shut off for 4 to 6 weeks.

[RidgeRunner]

What a mess. The media in Florida is saying the rig is just off the Florida coast. I guess it is in the most literal sense. So is Africa.
It is the ammunition the anti-drillers have been waiting for. I don't understand. They were drilling with no casing and the well came in on them??? Is that what happenned?
I hope they get it solved soon.

[Stinky_Hooker]

They are reporting locally they have"slowed it significantly" this morning.


It could impact our way of life for years if its not stopped. Already smelling the funk off of it in south Mobile County. :fight:


Going to go eat some seafood tonight..may be the last time for awhile.

[willy]

What has me really pissed is this, all over Europe, the North Sea and elsewhere the Oil Co's have mandatory systems which shut the well off at the head in case of a rupture, or another disaster.
Not here, at least on the rigs a few years old, they do not have that requirement.
How freakin stupid can we be?
And, how about the two Legger in the Whitehouse, ten days before making any moves to take care of this, they still have not mobilized the EPA emergency research and reaction vessel with all the scientists on it to handle an emergency like this. It is sitting in Florida as we speak monitoring dredge materials. That is from the man who used to manage it from the EPA and when he called the head Czar there to find out why it is still sitting there with no orders he was blown off by her.
We are run by crooks and thieves, who want to promote their agenda and that is it.
Can you imagine what would be done in the lame stream media had Bush been in office.
Those poor people down there, failed again by the government, state, local and federal

[randlemanboater]

I don't know for sure, but I thought I heard that it had one of those shut off valves, but it got destroyed in the explosion.

[RWilson2526]

I cant help remembering back when gas was $4+ and the oil companies were making record profits they kept saying its not just the cost of production but its also exploration.....BP is gonna see just how expensive that exploration can be.

[Destroyer]

Lets not forget the true cost of that explosion. The 13(?) people that were killed that day.

And this was a state of the art rig.. new with all the most up to date safety gear. It didn't even use anchors.... kept it's position via GPS and thrusters.

I dislike (hate is a good word) our present administration. Yet, I find myself being placed in a very strange spot. I'm being forced to actually defend these dirtbags. Much has and is being made of the fact that nothing was done by our government at the very beginning... Well.. guess what?... It was NOT the governments job to do anything. BP said there was an explosion, that people were killed and that they were in control of the situation. No one knew about the broken well and the leaking oil in the beginning.. FEMA had no reason to do anything. Now they do, so lets see what they do and how they handle the situation.

I just feel so very sorry for the families of the workers that were killed. My prayers go out to them.

[willy]

The emergency well valves are not located on the rig itself but on the well head.
And the oil company told the EPA at the time of the explosion that there was a very real possibility of well head leakage but would not be able to confirm immediatly due to the depth of the well (5000 ft).
But the Czarina at the EPA was busy with Earth Day and other commitments. The best equiped vessel in the world was never dispatched, which it could have been on scene in 24-48 hours tops, to date it is still sitting at anchor.

[THEFERMANATOR]

I dislike (hate is a good word) our present administration. Yet, I find myself being placed in a very strange spot. I'm being forced to actually defend these dirtbags. Much has and is being made of the fact that nothing was done by our government at the very beginning... Well.. guess what?... It was NOT the governments job to do anything. BP said there was an explosion, that people were killed and that they were in control of the situation. No one knew about the broken well and the leaking oil in the beginning.. FEMA had no reason to do anything. Now they do, so lets see what they do and how they handle the situation.

Actually I was watching the news the other night on HANNITY and there is actually a law that states that it is the federal governments responsibility to come in and contain the oil spill if the oil company has not done so within 48 hours. This administration sat on its hind end for 9 days, yes a full NINE days before it did the first thing to help. It's funny how only FOX news will put this info out there where as the lame stream news networks would rather sit back and go boo hoo about it rather than report the actual facts about it. And I still think something fishy is admidst here with this rig explosion. It just seems to coincedental that roughly a month after BO says we can begin to do oil exploration in the gulf a major rig problem happens. I know I'm a tin foil hat kinda guy, but it just seems to be way to many things surrounding this that don't add up. I do feel for the 11 peopel that were never found, and I know that this is a dangerous profession that isn't perfect. I would just like to hear some actual facts about what happened, and for it to be addressed and stopped before it kills the gulf for years to come.

[Fishwhisperer 180]

Guy's Guy's, I'm sure as soon as they make up a story they will tell us what happened. They may have to reinstate the 911 commission to get to the bottom of this.
On a more serious note: My partner is in route as we write with 8000' of Oil Boom, our surplus Oil skimmer, pumps, hoses and towing a work boat.
We'll be busy.
Respect to her Crew past...

[THEFERMANATOR]

Guy's Guy's, I'm sure as soon as they make up a story they will tell us what happened. They may have to reinstate the 911 commission to get to the bottom of this.
On a more serious note: My partner is in route as we write with 8000' of Oil Boom, our surplus Oil skimmer, pumps, hoses and towing a work boat.
We'll be busy.
Respect to her Crew past...

Theres always this scenario that the news has been keeping quiet.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

[willy]

Wow, that is some site, like reading a science fiction book

[Stinky_Hooker]

Ohhhh so N. Korea torpedoed the Horizon? That makes sense. :clap:

[Stinky_Hooker]

Sometimes you just gotta laugh


http://mobile.craigslist.org/for/1722285205.html (http://mobile.craigslist.org/for/1722285205.html)

[RidgeRunner]

N. Korea? Media blackout? I heard it was George Bush's personal rig which is now costing him $22 million a day in lost revenue.
The EPA and the entire Federal Government could not get their finger up their arse with both hands. They are like cops, they show up and talk about what happened and write a report when you really need them but make an illegal u-turn and they are all over you.

[RWilson2526]

I was eatin' it up until they started talking about nuking the well head.

[phatdaddy]

i don't know why they don't just call dirk pitt and the numa crew.

[RidgeRunner]

:clap: Sandecker could drive the NUMA ship right into the slick and Dirk and Giordino could fight off the North Koreans while Rudy configures a way to spray extra strength Dawn on the spill and remedy the situation just in time to find some hot babes and treasure, what would they do on the second day?

[phatdaddy]

second day, rescue endangered species and find an antique automobile..

[Destroyer]

second day, rescue endangered species and find an antique automobile..

On average 25 species go extinct every day. With or without mans help. It's how the world works. (It's called evolution).. Just go for the antique automobile... anything without a chip in it...:clap:

[THEFERMANATOR]

http://www.mudinmyblood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6104

Found this on another forum. This is from somebody who was there fishing just before the rig blew.

[Destroyer]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stinky_Hooker]

Well I Just spoke with a buddy that works for Chevron in Pgoula. He said him and a couple guys ran out yesterday for giggles to check things out. From what he said he really feels this has been way overexagerated. Never seen any heavy crude just some gray soupy stuff. Said it wouldnt even stick to the boats. I hope he is right. We shall see.

[RWilson2526]

you know I was just starting to get that feeling this morning watching the news....the story was about the only TWO birds that they have found with oil on them and cleaned up and released over in Vero Beach on the atlantic side.....hope it turns out that way....keep our fingers crossed

[phatdaddy]

BP had a meeting here today and was offering $1200 dollars a day + fuel for boats to help with the cleanup. i was thinking about working for them for 10 days, then tossing them the keys & the title and going boat shopping. i don't know whats the scariest, the oil coming from the gulf , the lawyers from all over, or the feds.

[THEFERMANATOR]

BP had a meeting here today and was offering $1200 dollars a day + fuel for boats to help with the cleanup. i was thinking about working for them for 10 days, then tossing them the keys & the title and going boat shopping. i don't know whats the scariest, the oil coming from the gulf , the lawyers from all over, or the feds.

Sounds like I need to come north and go to work.

[phatdaddy]

http://www.newsherald.com/articles/help-83748-beach-need.html

[Destroyer]

LOL I have a 22' Cruisers that I'm about to scrap out with a sweet 200 Merc on it. The boat's still very seaworthy.. If I was retired I'd be signing up tomorrow morning.. but, alas, I'm still working...so it's a nice dream but that's all it is for me.

And yes, I'm also tired of seeing the same few oil covered birds over and over. I wonder how long it will be before the news companies start covering birds with oil so they can "report" about their plight.. :cen: :cen: :cen:

[phatdaddy]

another side of the story

http://panamacity.craigslist.org/boa/1741379461.html

[Stinky_Hooker]

not looking good folks. A buddy thats a charter captain hit it only 13 miles out yesterday from Dauphin Island. "They" estimate it being here in the next 24 hours or so. Our way of life on the coast is about to change horribly.

[phatdaddy]

stink, i head it's about 35 miles south of pensacola also...

[joe7670]

This sucks. Seems like they are trying to "save" the well.

Anyone know more about the Russian's early recommendation of using a nuke to seal it? Granted i've read a lot of opinions including it being devistating to the area, but realistically what is worse?
Others say it will open the well more...

Not being in the oil industry i'm not sure if this would be feasible.

[valiant_200]

No nukes in the Gulf please. There are enough things dying out there as it is.

What I have never understood from the beginning of all of this is why nobody positioned a tanker out there and put it to work collecting the oil/water as it comes to the surface. Instead, they loaded the oil with dispersant and allowed it to drift on top of and underneath the water to its hearts content, wherever the current took it.

To nobody's great surprise, this latest adventure with the saw only seems to have made things worse. The diamond wire saw got stuck after a couple of hours of cutting and it took them all morning to get it loose. Now there is a new hole in the riser pipe, just beneath the original gusher, dumping what looks to be double the amount of oil as before, and the geniuses have given up and are babbling about Top Hats again.

So thanks BP. You really blow.

[RWilson2526]

They were talking last night on the news about the possibility of "imploding" the well.....first thing that came to my mind was imagine if the F that up? instead of a 20" hole gushing oil will have a 100 yard diameter hole gushing oil.

[valiant_200]

With each attempt at fixing the problem, they seem to have only succeeded in making it worse. When they clipped the bent riser pipe off the BOP yesterday with the giant shears, it looked like the flow more than doubled.

So far I have not seen a lot of progress with the AssHat that they put in position last night but supposedly they are not done messing around with it either. We shall see.

[Stinky_Hooker]

Its ALL a dog and pony show. The death due to the dispersents they are using will be reaped by my great grand children. They are just "looking busy" untill the time comes in AUGUST (WTF?) that they can attempt a relief well drilling. They care nothing about what they have done and only about saving this site. The operations they are attempting are ludicrous to say the least as far as the oil industry goes. They KNOW its not going to work...just trying to look busy. Im PO'ed beyond belief right now!!!!

Watch for yourselves...its a JOKE!

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/i/LIVE-BP-video-Feed-Oil-Leak-Gulf-of-Mexico

[Road King Cole]

The BP CEO wants to get his life back to normal. I think that a-hole should go to jail when it is over. He is ultimately responsible and I doubt the money loss and fines won't directly cause him much pain in the end.

I heard "They should stuff the pipe with BP executives" but that won't work because sh*t floats.

I too would be going berserk if that crap was coming to shore near me. I feel for ya.

[nipper]

Hate to say it, King, but at the rate that thing is still gushing even with the cap in place, that oil is destined for the gulf stream and just may make its way up the entire eastern seaboard!

[Destroyer]

I just got back from the gulf coast of Florida yesterday. Everyone you speak to down there is in panic mode. They know that the oil is going to hit the beaches.. it's only a matter of time.

What I don't understand is if they have a machine capable of shearing off the top of the well pipe why don't they just use it to crimp the top shut? It might not shut it down completely, but it sure as hell would reduce the flow.:bsflag:

[valiant_200]

The story we have been hearing is that if they were to somehow totally stop the flow, the pressure on the weakened Blow Out Preventer (BOP) would cause it to rupture or blow off the well altogether.

I'll say this much for BP. When they screw the pooch, they go all in.

[LESTERUS]

Please allow me to dissent, after the first few days it was clear that oil was coming out at a rapid rate and that BP was clearly not in control of the situation, I think that , when that became evident, the president shoul had appointed somebody to be at site informing him of the situation every so often, I also think that the president should have deployed the US navy or the EPA emergency ships to the gulf, to assist containment, regradless of what BP said, because this is a dissaster of great magnitude. If that oil finds its way into the gulf stream, we're talking not only the east coast of florida but the entire east cost of US all the way to cape hatteras, and then into the Atlantic Ocean all the way to England and France. How long are we going to wait.

All of us, florida residents know this.

[phatdaddy]

have a friend in walton county who is working with bp on the clean up crew, they told them they expect the clean-up work to last 5-7 Years

[spareparts]

I noticed yesterday that a group of people from SC have filed suit against BP for damages from the oil spill in SC, including loss of tourism, enviromental damage, and economic damage. Last I heard, oil hasn't gotten here. The lawyers can't even wait till something has happened to get a suit going, talking about putting the wagon ahead of the horse. maybe BP should hire these guys, with this type of response time, they would have had the oil boom and skimmers out before the oil oil platform left the dock.

On another note, a friend of mine is involed in some of the contracting for small boat needs in the clean up, from what he told me, pay is pretty good(especially if you are USCG Captain), you supply your own boat. Mostly observation and recording duties, any one of ya'll intersted, I can put you in touch with him. Just PM me.

[regidog]

Well put LESTERUS, I concur totally. This is a national emergency and the President has not stepped up to address it. Bring in the Navy to escort BP tankers to the well site. BP's attorneys will stonewall this cleanup for 20 years, Obama needs to make this happen as he is the only one who can declare this a national emergency.

[Destroyer]

This gets sicker by the day... Now we come to find out that the Dutch offered us boats and containment booms right after it was found out the pipe was leaking... and the White House turned them down.. said we didn't need help... and there are booms, boats and skimmers in warehouses that are just sitting there.. and no one has even started to think about using them.

Obama is like a deer in a cars headlights...He doesn't have a clue what to do. God, I love this "change you can believe in"... Sooo..

1) I believe that we have the most incompetent leader in the White
House in our entire Country's history.
2) I believe this is the worst ecological disaster ever to hit the US
3) I believe that the pipe is gushing the equivilant of the ENTIRE Exxon
Valdise spill every 6 days.
4) I believe I'll have another Scotch.

[valiant_200]

Is there a link to that story?

I do recall that the Obama Administration offered to help BP right after the initial incident and BP turned them down. Probably Washington should have insisted on getting involved from day one.

There is plenty of blame to go around, but lets not lose focus of the fact that BP committed the acts. Just because the past three administrations, including this one, turned their heads when it came to regulations, doesn't mean they hold all the blame. They told them they could have the gun, but BP pulled the trigger.

[Destroyer]

Valiant:
Not sure what you want for a link... it's several stories actually.. heard about the Dutch offer on CNN today at lunchtime and several radio stations said the same thing during the afternoon while I was driving.... Heard about the amount of oil spilling now being equal to the Exxon Valdise spill while driving home this evening on WINS (1010 AM Dial in NY) I would imagine that you can find both stories on their websites somewhere.

I didn't include the story about the 5(?) man expert panel that made the original assessment about the oil spill to the White House that is now denying that they ever suggested a moritorium on drilling that the White House stated was in their recommendations... seems someone in the White House made that part up and inserted those two parragraphs into the report... (Funny that as soon as that story broke today the White House recinded the moritorium and is now allowing deep water drilling again). (Heard that story on Lou Dobbs this afternoon.)

You said: There is plenty of blame to go around, but lets not lose focus of the fact that BP committed the acts. Just because the past three administrations, including this one, turned their heads when it came to regulations, doesn't mean they hold all the blame. They told them they could have the gun, but BP pulled the trigger".

And you are entirelly correct. But that wasn't the reason for my post. My post was to bring attention to the fact that the present administration has been almost criminally neglagent in it's response (or lack of it) to the oil spill. They and they alone hold all the blame for how they have handled this spill so far. They have lied to the American public at large, they have done NOTHING except point fingers. I really don't want to know who's *** the president thinks he needs to kick... I want the damn spill stopped and I want the people that are losing their jobs to be compensated for their loss... then we can talk about who is to blame. I wasn't pointing fingers at who caused it, or how it started... I was talking about what's being done now. If you want my opinion about who caused it see my posts in various other places in this thread. I agree with you that BP pulled the trigger and that they are to blame for the spill, and have already stated as much. But the blame for the horrible, do nothing response to what is shaping up to be the single worst ecological disaster in American history rests solely on the present White House.

[Stinky_Hooker]

VERY good article about how most of us on the Gulf Coast feel.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/oil-messed

[RidgeRunner]

Scalloping in Steinahatchee, FL. No oil that far down the coast yet. BUT, I experienced something that I have never seen. In the water column I noticed a clear but fuzzy layer where the water was clear but was bending light in a funny way to the point you couldn't see thru it. The water was also red as if it was stained with tanin acid from the cypress swamp. 1/4mile away the water was pristeen. The area has had a lot of rain which could have been contributing. I kinda guessed that the fresh water running out of Rocky Creek was causing a layer effect similar to a thermocline. Yet I have never experienced a thermocline while snorkeling in 4 to 5 feet of water. Anybody got any ideas?

[THEFERMANATOR]

Scalloping in Steinahatchee, FL. No oil that far down the coast yet. BUT, I experienced something that I have never seen. In the water column I noticed a clear but fuzzy layer where the water was clear but was bending light in a funny way to the point you couldn't see thru it. The water was also red as if it was stained with tanin acid from the cypress swamp. 1/4mile away the water was pristeen. The area has had a lot of rain which could have been contributing. I kinda guessed that the fresh water running out of Rocky Creek was causing a layer effect similar to a thermocline. Yet I have never experienced a thermocline while snorkeling in 4 to 5 feet of water. Anybody got any ideas?

You're not alone in this, everybody is complaining about this all along the gulf coast of Fl. It's due to all of the run-off from the rivers from the rain here lately. We went awhile without much flow which stained the rivers pretty badly, and now all of the rain this week is washing it all out of the rivers in a hurry. Add in the 65-70 degree water from the springs that many of those rivers are fed by and it makes for cool stained water.

[phatdaddy]

RR, kinda the same here (panama city), no real oil yet, just a few tar balls here & there, but no mats or sludge. i was snorkling in our bay monday and noticed when you looked down intothe water column it was clear, but looking horizonal it was murky. also noted a definate thermocline where the cool fresh water was on top of the warm salyt water, but we have had tons of rain in the lasat 2 weeks.
how where the scallops, i've gottn reports from st joe and they are plentiful but small. i usually don't go unitl the first of august because of the size/

[RidgeRunner]

Thanks for clearing that up. That would also explain the 72 degree water temp on the Suwannee.
As far as Scallops, the weather was dicey. We were dodging rain all day and the sun was less than cooperative. We got some but not enough for an appetizer. All reports had about the same tone. They were there just poor conditions. The size of the shell was running small but the meat was not much smaller than late season IMO. Planning to give it another shot in a week or two. Homasassa was red hot this past weekend if you can endure the boat traffic.