Bad News and a Warning for Saltwater Boaters

[parishht]

Well, ley me start by saying check you r engine often for saltwater intrusion into the cylinders.

:cry::cry::cry:

I kept having trouble keeping my 1990 150 Evinrude running this year,
I could start it on th ehose, but in the water it would die out.
I thought maybe something simple like dirty carb or fuel line clog.
I tried evrything and finally gave up and took her to the mechanic.
Well he scoped the engine and found that saltwater has been seeping into cylindaer 1,3 &5 for a long time and finally caused burn through of the cyliders.:sad:
He told me that he suggests to all his customers to have gasket replacement every 4 or 5 years to avoid this issue.
Well this explains a lot and this was probably happening for a while and now that I think of it, it explains why I noticed a loss of power last year and the year before.
Well, until I can afford another engine, I guess next summer will be a good year to do nothing but work on the hull and I think I may need to replace the transom, it is still pretty firm, but I have noticed some indentations around the engine bolts.

Oh well, next year will be fishing from a canoe and beach.

[captpete13]

That sucks. well at least you have all winter to look for a replacement. Ebay can be a good source for something. I had a 150 Yamaha midsaction and lower but no powerhead. With some patience I found a fully dressed 225 Yamaha powerhead on Ebay. Just what I wanted. I'm sure you will come across something. Is your motor rebuildable? If only 1 or 2 cylinders need to be bored and the crank is still good you should be ok.

[parishht]

All three cylinders.

Rebuild = about the same as a good used engine.
New power head = about the same as a good used engine, for my year.
Looks like I am looking for a good used engine.

I would love to do it myself, but rigth now I am involved with projects at work that take me out of the country
every other month and when I am home, the honey do list is a mile long.

[THEFERMANATOR]

www.screamandfly.com will be your friend here. Since you say it's a 90 that should be an old style cross-flow engine which means you can swap in ALOT of different model powerheads from 150-235 pretty easily. You can often times pick-up a complete 150-235 over there or good powerhead for under $1K that has never even seen saltwater in it's entire life.

[reelapeelin]

Sucks out loud...good news is it didn't strand you somewhere...

...anyway, Ferm's got ya on the right track!...and w/the deals they're makin' on new outboards these days, that may be a way to go...I had mine paid off in no time...:party:

[willy]

tough nut Parish, you will work it out though I am sure, good luck my friend

[parishht]

Thanks for all the help, it's great to have people around that treat you like family.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Now that SKools is hitched, maybe you can convince him he needs to thin out his boating stuff since he's married now and get him to come off of one of his gems.

[phatdaddy]

tough break parish, there is nothing time & money can't cure

put a bug in big shrimpin's ear and let him put you primo merc 2 stroke together this winter.

[lumberslinger178]

sorry to hear your lose.... BUT I'd love to help you pick out a new e-tec:sun::sun::hide:

[jaycola]

A good place to start looking for motors is craigslist.org and click on your city. This will give you a idea of expensive motors are in your area. Be very careful of what you buy and form whom.

[parishht]

Thanks for all the advice guys.

Really after being on this board for 4 years,
I have seen many a horror story.:oh:

Like MJ's lost in shipping engine, to (I believe)it was Skool's - E-bay warning.
I also aquired a really good list of questions to ask about the engine.
:news:



Lumber, and e-tec would be nice, do you know where I can get one for about $50......(hee hee hee)

[Skools Out]

hey lumber what's the address your boat is located at, lol hey once he post the address you can get one with the removal of 4 bolts lol.

[nymack66]

Why not have new sleeves press in for $400 dollars? Click on OMC and download the PDF ..or call
http://www.advancedsleeve.com/marine.html

[parishht]

That is interesting Nymack.

Hey Skool's wanna come with me, I'm making a trip to New Jersey,
I hear there is an e-tec on the back of a dually,
just sitting in the storage yard.

My schedule only allows for me to go Sunday after midnight, you in?

[Blue_Runner]

I'll go if Skools won't. You take the motor for your V....I want what its attached to. We are going to need an adjustable wrench, a flashlight, police scanner, and a 5 gallon bucket of fish blood.

[nipper]

Love the fish blood line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Skools Out]

heck if we take the whole rigg we can get a new motor a new trailer and a nice clean waxed bilge dually with a leak lol.


as for the sleeves not worth it, it would cost more than a good used motor, plus usually those blocks crack when you try new sleeves.

[macojoe]

If you want to go Merc BS has a nice 150 almost ready and he is putting 3 other motors toghter Tell him what you have $$$ and I am sure he will be able to fix you up.

Good Luck

[parishht]

Hey BS, what you got?

Like I said before, I am not really serious until March or April,
but I may be able to swing something right after Christmas.

[lumberslinger178]

:clap::clap::clap::clap: She insured :bat::bat::bat: (not for fish blood tho) lol oh btw skools I fixed the leak............:sun::sun:

[bigshrimpin]

Hey BS, what you got?

Like I said before, I am not really serious until March or April,
but I may be able to swing something right after Christmas.

Hey Parishht - I've got the 150 20" motor and 2 25" 175's like MJ's, A 2.4 200, a 2.0L 150 Mariner an old 2.4L 225. Here's the 150 MJ was talking about . . . it's a sweet motor.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260498266526&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=260498266526.jpg

[parishht]

Looks nice, but I would like to stick with Evinrude or Johnson, so I can use my existing controls.

[THEFERMANATOR]

What shaft length do you currently have?

[bigshrimpin]

Looks nice, but I would like to stick with Evinrude or Johnson, so I can use my existing controls.

Sorry can't help you with those OMC's!! Let me know if you decide to come over to the darkside. I usually have control sets. Ferm might be able to hook you up with a good Johnny-rude.

[Skools Out]

what yr you have again? is it a red plug motor?

[THEFERMANATOR]

He said it's a 90 150 EVINRUDE, so it should be a red-plug flat back cross-flow I believe.

[Skools Out]

yeap red plug then i was too lazy to not look back lol

[parishht]

I attached a picture from when I bought the V back in 2005.

It is a 25 shaft.

[THEFERMANATOR]

I attached a picture from when I bought the V back in 2005.

It is a 25 shaft.

That picture is of a 20" shaft, not a 25". You definately have the notched transom for a 20" shaft and I can tell from looking at the mounts that the engine is a 20"

[bigshrimpin]

Doh . . . The 20" Merc 135 just sold this morning :/

[parishht]

Thanks Ferm, I was always confused, the previous owner told me 25, some others told me 25, so I always assumed 25.
I never measured to verify.

Just curious, what would happen if you replace a 20 motor with a 25?

[THEFERMANATOR]

Just curious, what would happen if you replace a 20 motor with a 25?
You'd have to get a jack plate or some transom extensions to raise it up 5". There are ALOT of good 20" shafted freshwater engines out there though, so it may work in your favor.

Heres a few to look at. The first one is a 25" shaft, the other 2 are 20's. The second one has a low water pick-up that you could sell and put a regular lower back on. The third one would be ideal, but is a ways away.

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200555&highlight=evinrude
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197670&highlight=evinrude
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200245&highlight=evinrude

[parishht]

Thanks therm, I checked my model numbers and found that it is a 20.

I know that if I get a 25, I would need a jackplate, but I still wonder what would happen if you mount a 25 without a jackplate.

[nymack66]

Check out this Motor note its a 25"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-140-HP-Johnson-Evinrude-OMC-Outboard-Motor_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5636727e39QQitemZ 370280660537QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Evinrude-Johnson-140-hp-2-stroke-20-inch-outboard_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem439b11450aQQit emZ290364409098QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fG ear

[THEFERMANATOR]

Thanks therm, I checked my model numbers and found that it is a 20.

I know that if I get a 25, I would need a jackplate, but I still wonder what would happen if you mount a 25 without a jackplate.

It would run like crap. The boat wouldn't want to plane out and would react to trimming poorly if not dangerous under some circumstances.

[parishht]

Thanks Ny, those look like good deals,
problem is Christmas is coming and the fix the house honey do list is growing and getting more expensive. I think she plans it that way so I can't buy anything over the winter.

Thanks Ferm, I always wondered about that.

[parishht]

I was looking for motors on e-bay and came across this rebuilder:

http://1outboard.com/index.html

Has anyone ever heard or used them?


Hey FERM, I noticed on captpete's transom redo, it looks like he filled in teh notch.
I wonder if I redo my transom and fill that notch, if I could go with a 25" shaft.
There seams to be a ton of 25ers out there, but not many 20's.
Now that gets me thinking does a 20 last longer than a 25?

[captpete13]

My service manager used that company to rebuild some powerheads for us. They rebuilt a pair of 130 Yamahas. When we got them back they had the wrong spark plugs installed. No problem, I replaced them with the right ones. I installed the powerheads,launched the boat and took it for a test ride. One engine started to run hot. I checked the thermostats. Three out of four of the thermostats were different,none were Yamaha branded. I replaced all four with Yamaha stats. It ran fine after that. Then we sent them a 150 Merc. We got it back,installed it,test ran it on a shop tank. I noticed it wasn't pumping oil. The oil pump gear on the crank stripped out. We removed the powerhead and shipped it back. We got the powerhead back,installed it,ran it,same thing. Stripped gear AGAIN. By now everybody was pissed off,the customer with us and us with this guy. We sent it back again. Well I guess third times the charm because this one finally worked fine. But because of this guy we lost a customer.
I wouldn't use this guy ever again.

I did fill in my transom to use a 25" motor. In our area there are a lot more 25" motors than 20". Almost any boat that can go in the ocean nowadays has a 25" transom. Thats why there are more of those motors around.

[THEFERMANATOR]

20" engines tend to be more so around freshwater with the bass boat guys or saltwater around the flats boat guys in high HP. I would say most 25" shafte engines rot out quicker as they were used primarily on off shore boats in saltwater. If you rebuild the transom then it isn't hard to raise it up to 25".

[parishht]

Thanks for the info.

This gives me a few more options to mull over.