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tsubaki
05-04-2009, 05:35 PM
Was pushing along most of the day around 4000rpms, going about 32mph and consuming about 12gph. Occasionally slowing to idle or no wake speed to look at stuff.
Coming back I seen I was sucking 17gpm at about the same speed and rpm. When I slowed or tried to speed up I realized it was skipping. Got it back to the house and removed the plugs and found this in the #6 cylinder.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/plug6006.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/plug6005.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/plug6004.jpg
Brought the piston all the way to the top and had the same imbedded stuff.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/plug6002.jpg
The residue is much like carbon build up, it actually completely covered the electrode of the plug. I picked the plug to what you see in the pictures.
The only color I can describe the build up as, is exactly the same as Anti-Seize which I did use when replacing the thermostats and sensors in August 2007.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tsubaki3/Picture301.jpg
Some history of this:
When we got the motor in April 2007 it had 90 psi on all cylinders, except #4 had 89psi. The #6 (yesterday) still reads 90psi.
The water separator was changed yesterday morning just before using the boat.
The motor is fuel mixed at about 50:1 (usually heavy on the oil), with various types of oil, the last one was from Walmart (first time I've used it), I've ran about 30 gallons of premixed fuel with this stuff (counting yesterday). Normally I'll use Quicksilver.
The plug type is Champion L77JC4. Replaced in August 2007. Plugs #1-5 had varying wet oil to burnt (light brown) residue on them.
I'm of the opinion that the lower carb feeding this cylinder is running lean (dirty) and has scorched the piston. I've seen burnt pistons but never on the electrodes of the plugs, even to cause fouling.
I'm planning on cleaning the bottom carb, replacing the plugs, pumping the saddle tanks (10 gallons each) and only using Quicksilver from now on and letting it go till it shows me more problems.
Y'all got any ideas or better suggestions?
And what is this stuff?

cterrebonne
05-04-2009, 07:14 PM
looks like detonation. you ran a comp check on that cyl??

spareparts
05-04-2009, 07:20 PM
thats part of a piston on your plug, go ahead and pull the head

macojoe
05-04-2009, 08:55 PM
Another one bites the dust :cen:

Skools Out
05-04-2009, 09:34 PM
yep post a pic of that fried motor, that is the top of you piston, were you running premix or oil injection or both? what brand is that motor and yr.

cterrebonne
05-04-2009, 09:44 PM
man sorry to see that, sounds toast. we had a couple of carbed engines come into the shop last week that has bitten the dust.

tsubaki
05-05-2009, 03:54 PM
Thanks guys!
The motor is the one in the signature, an "84 Evinrude 150 horse, premixed fuel.
The compression is the same as 2 years ago, 90psi.
What's your opinion of cleaning the carbs and changing oil type and seeing how long it might take to finish off the piston, or do you think it will cause even more damage doing that?

Skools Out
05-05-2009, 04:24 PM
at least remove that head and clean the stuff out so it won't break loose and make the motor loose a cylinder all together. just clean the head and piston top really well then install back with new gasket run till she dies.

tsubaki
05-06-2009, 05:10 PM
I'll plan on doing that, thanks.
I'll put in line with the detrimental repairs list with the other stuff, which is ahead of the regular maintenance stuff and those are ahead of the other projects.
How did that go? God put me on this Earth to complete a certain amount of tasks, at this time I am so far behind that I will never die!

fishinest
05-07-2009, 08:53 AM
dont look good maybe try to decarb the motor clean carbs new plugs fresh fuel and see if it helps before tearing apart

C YENSEN
05-07-2009, 09:57 AM
that sucks man....sorry.....:cen:

Skools Out
05-07-2009, 09:58 AM
dont look good maybe try to decarb the motor clean carbs new plugs fresh fuel and see if it helps before tearing apart


DO NOT RUN till you get that stuff out of the head or it most likely be the end of your motor.

tsubaki
05-07-2009, 01:56 PM
Thanks, I'm doin like Skools and spare said. Well, when the V's turn comes around.
Got 1 truck that needs calipers (might as well do the pads too), another truck that needs front pads and rear shoes (probably ball joints too), a mini-van that the AC clutch coil once in a while blows a fuse (gotta change it and see if that fixes the problem), Daddy's project boat is a couple of weeks from done, I got to wire it.
Not to mention I got to find time for some therapy killing fish or something.
I'm sure I left someone off the list, but you can bet they will let me know!

Jetty Rocker
05-16-2009, 01:48 PM
I noticed in your pics that you are using regular anti-sieze. I've always been told to use the marine version because it doesn't have copper in it. The regular type on stainless bolts going into aluminum heads and blocks cause electrolosis. Thought you could use this info in the future.

tsubaki
05-16-2009, 02:28 PM
Actually, I was unaware there was more than one kind.
THANKS!