Arrow cresting

[Stinky_Hooker]

While trying to occupy myself and trying not to go nuts with my injurys I decided to do something Ive always wanted to try. I made me an arrow cresting machine from a sewing machine motor. It turned out pretty good.


Here are a few pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/bbingsuperman/Hunting/100_3711.jpg

Before the silver pin striping

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/bbingsuperman/Hunting/100_3712.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/bbingsuperman/Hunting/100_3713.jpg


Afterward the silver

Its kinda hard to see, but maybe yall can get the idea.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/bbingsuperman/Hunting/100_3717.jpg

Ill get some better pics with a different lens after I get em fletched up. Not bad for my first attempt I think.


:beer:

[C YENSEN]

WOW you were bored......:nut:

looks good though. great idea.....:clap:

[charlie_the_tuna]

please explain the difference between cresting an arrow and painting an arrow.

[charlie_the_tuna]

and what is the advantage of having a beautiful arrow?

[tsubaki]

Makes the blood look a lot neater!!

[Stinky_Hooker]

CTT, the advantage is that it makes douche bags ask stupid questions. :nut:





Plus its cool as hell. :sun:

[tsubaki]

Keep up this thread, Stink.
I got over a dozen I need to refletch, be sure and show the tool you use.

Don't guess they have made reflective paint available?

[Stinky_Hooker]

Tsubaki, I will.


I use an arizona EZ fletch...have for years and love it. I have one for carbon arrows with a right helical twist.




Like this one: http://www.ezfletch.com/carbon.gif




With that said I stripped em back off today...changed a few things up abit for no obvious reason. http://www.aldeer.com/al_ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif


I am letting em dry for a few days before fletching. I also used some better paint. I didnt like the softness of the model paints. I got another half dozen I can hunt with till I finish em up and test em out.





Bow season opens tomorrow here! Woooohoooo!!!!:sun:

[Mac_Attack]

Stink are you good to go? If so, good luck and be careful! Billy Mac :beer:

[Stinky_Hooker]

Yep Im straight MAC....been shooting again since the bulk of the healing is done now. Im gonna try and go saturday morning....supposed to be 51* here sat. monring. Wooohoooo...a BLIZZARD! LOL

[Stinky_Hooker]

Wheres Willy on th is....I figured surely his tradition shooting self had fooled with it.


Willy, come out wherever you are!?!?!

[macojoe]

So that silver is paint? Looks good.

Before diabetics messed with my hands I use to build my own fishing rods. Do they do any wrapping of arrows or is it all paint??
I have a sewing machine also for wrapping and use a grill rotisserie motor for drying.

I know nothing about arrows, just asking.

[Stinky_Hooker]

Yes its silver paint.


They have arrow wraps that are stickers that replace the white part, but they are wore expensive and weigh more than just spraying with laquer spray paint.


Rottisere motor is a great Idea for drying....never thought of that. Ive used a drill motor for it...works ok.

[macojoe]

The epoxy on rods need to turn for hours so that it doesn't sag before setting up. The rotisserie motor turns a slow perfect speed for just that.

The one I have uses 1/4 socket extension with a rubber cork on the end. I just tape the butt of the rod to the rubber and good to go.

They sell all kinds of things to get the rod to the mmotor that will get it straighter if need be, I just a DYI guy that hates to buy stuff, and in the end most of the time it would have been cheaper to buy it new!!

[Stinky_Hooker]

Agreed....the flex coat I use is good for no sagging after about 2 hours.





OK, here are the final results. I stripped em and changed a few things, widened a couple bands, etc...

Fletched and ready to go!

I took them today and weighed them. The original I weighed with with just blazers was actually 1.5 grains heavier than the new dipped and crested ones. I know thats not a true difference...probably just a tolerence let go at the factory by Beeman. I guess that means the new ones are actually no heavier. I thought it would make some difference but it didnt. :clap:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/bbingsuperman/Hunting/100_3727.jpg

[willy]

Hey Stinkman, beautiful work with the arrows, really very nice. Sorry I have not gotten back to you sooner but I have been busy securing Wall St.
Anyhow I have a modicum of experience with the subject though, so if you got any questions fire away.
A little sample of what I have inside the dungeon.

Some homemade back quivers assorted accutrements and some arrows.etc.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0759.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0760.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0761.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0762.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0763.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0764.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0765.jpg

[willy]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0766.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0767.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0768.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0769.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0770.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0772.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0773.jpg

[willy]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0774.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0775.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0776.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/IMGP0771.jpg

OOPS

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/bill_schultz/bb27.jpg

[willy]

now you see why I need to build a new space in my dungeon, I am stacked knee deep

[willy]

All right where is Stinky now?

[Stinky_Hooker]

DAYUM WILLY!!!


You sir are my hero!!!!


:clap:



Do you "couple" those barred feathers together yourself? I know thats not the right term, but the ones that are joined together...opposing colors...



Absolutely awesome work brother....Id love to come hang with you and learn some stuff!!!!!:beer:

[willy]

you splice in feather sections from full length feathers, cut the feather bases at a slight angle / put them in a fletching holder like you do when you mount them on your shaft, I use a Bitzenberger for these as they are a better holding jig and put a drop of glue on your finger tip and run it down the base, let it dry a few minutes and then run another bead like you do when you mount it on the shaft.
It is a pain in the arse, I used to do them with a friend that loved doing them, I just like his bourbon! I prefer a simple natural barred feather and a simple crest with a bright nock for my arrows.
Cant tell you how many hours went into those arrows along with how much bourbon.

[willy]

ph I forgot, after you mount the full length inlayed arrow then you use your burner to shape the feather to your desired shape. Just do it outside or you will be divorced come morning. It stinks to high hell

[Stinky_Hooker]

Sounds cool....Since you posted all those I got excited and while I was shooting my compound I pulled out my recurve yesterday and fooled with it abit. Willy, it has a window but no rest at all....just some felt there. What kind should I get? Just a stick on flipper style or leave it alone?


I shot a couple carbons through it just fooling around cause I dont have any wooden arrows right now. I guess I could just shoot it like that but the arrows are fish tailing something horrible...I guess due to the stiffness of the blazer vanes on the carbon arrows hitting the riser shelf? Will feathers on some wooden shafts be more forgiving and fly better?


Also do you traditional guys worry with spine on recurve arrows and all that stuff or just get some arrows for it?


Its a pretty nice old laminated Pearson Recurve @55 lbs. Ill try and get some pics of.



Its been years since I shot it, but still shot about 6" groups at 20 yards. I was kinda proud of that....:beer:



Oh and while I'm at it I dont think the string is the correct length. Is there a formula for figuring string length on a traditional bow? Places to order them online you would recommend?

[willy]

lot all at once but here it goes

you cannot shoot vanes out of a curve or longbow

your bow should be braced at approx 7 1/2 inches, measured from the deepest part of the pistol grip to the string, maybe a little more, no less

if the nock of your arrow snaps to hard on the string it will stay on it too long after it should have been released and cause all kinds of arrow flight problems

the rest should be off the shelf of your bow, you do not need or want a elevated rest type thing, more problem than they are worth, plus you have to shoot the bow straight up and down which does not work real well with instinctive shooting.

buy a seal skin or bearhair or leather matierial and cut to shape to covedr the major portion of the rest. then before you set it on lay an arrow on the string and see where it goes across the rest, mark it and then take a thin piece of wood, or something similar and cut it to fit under the material you are using for a rest and that will be your contact point, it should be no wider than an 1/8th of an inch at most and lay under the rest. you really dont need one for the side of the rest but can do that also if you want.

you can shoot carbon if you want but it will need feathers

same for aluminum

spine is more critical with traditional equipment, on a curve figue 5 - 10 lbs more than the weight of the bow at your draw length. being closer to center shot they will even let you go higher with spine weight if you wish

further away from being center shot the more critical the spine weight

brace height and nocking point is how you really tune a bow

you twist the string to shorten the brace height then shoot a while to stretch the string back out to where it will settle.

like i said most curves brace at between 7.5 to 8 inches

When you take a deer with one you will know why archery used to be called the sport of Kings

[Stinky_Hooker]

Awesome info Willy...thanks man!!



I been wanting to do some carbons with fethers anyways so I think Ill look into going carbon.


Although I like the look of wood. If I go wood, what type wood would you reccomend?