for your consideration

[willy]

for your consideration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

[reelapeelin]

for your consideration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

Saw that yesterday...interesting only one reporter picks up on it...is there any verification these guys are presently on his staff?...

[willy]

yes they are there with him on the campaign trail and are his economic advisors along with sitting on his vp selection committe.
The fact that these things are not being reported and investigated by the main stream (so called) press is exactly what scares the hell out of me and should scare the hell out of every American because the press and very left wing organizations in this country are not reporting any of this, They want the most liberal senator in the house and the most liberal senate and congress in history to be in power and they will not report any of the facts that if it had been about McCain they would have on the front page everyday until he resigned.
His (obama) assosiation with the group known as acorn and his providing hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars to this organization is not even being reported.
They are all over the battle ground states right now committing voter fraud by the many thousands registering everyone from 15 years olds to guys named James Bond and the Duke of Earl and the press knows it is going on and not reporting it. These same people will be fed, partied and bused to the voting booths by the thousands in november.
I got to tell you guys, I want change too, I want a different course for our country but this type of deception, socialist play book strategies and the extremely biased media agenda that even those in the media that are died in the wool democrats like Tom Brokaw are disgusted with it.
It scares me that the election of president is being fueled by a agenda of the liberal elite in this country by press and media manipulation.
I am disgusted that my vote will be cancelled by some guy named the Duke of Earl from Cleveland and our press is not only not reporting it but killing any stories about it in the major media markets.
I am afraid for us all.

[nipper]

Willy, you are starting to sound downright paranoid.

[Blue_Runner]

I can't see the vid but I think I get the gist.

Wellcraft First! Vote Willy '08!!

:sun:

[willy]

paranoid is an unreasonable fear of something. when the media is unabashadly trying to elect a senator who started his campaign with 143 days of experience in the senate, an obvious lack of knowledge of foreign affairs and has life long assosiations with people I am willing to bet that none of you fellows would allow anyone in your family to assosiate with, I get worried that an agenda of change that is being advanced is not what you hear on the little sound bites and campaign teleprompter, but instead an fundamental change in what this country was founded on and a huge increase in the power and control of the federal government.
As a matter of fact, even those who would normally consider taking a chance on a left wing senator better think hard, very hard about giving the government a liberal run senate, liberal run congress and the most liberal senator in the house as president.
Think about that for awhile, you will be turning over the future, the direction and the security of our nation to
Nancy Pelosi Harry Reed Chris Dodd Barney Franks Chuck Shummer and Obama to sign off on all that it passes.
If you guys feel that is what you want for our country;s future then God help us all.
Your alternative is a man that has served our nation with so much honor and integrity that even obama won't dare say anything about it. He has reached across the aisle and tried to work out issues to move our country forward, has an agenda of getting the government out of the economy and our lives, reducing the taxes on all of us and refuses to play the socialist manifesto of class warfare, rich against poor, black against white etc.
Someone that has enormous experience in dealing in this dangerous world we live in and does not apolgize to the world about how bad America is.
Someone who does not refer to you infidels who believe in the 2nd Amendment, who believe in God as misguided people who wont understand his agenda.
He will always do the right thing regardless of the political consequences to him personally and does not tell people in North Carolina one thing and go to South Carolina and say whatever his pollsters say those infidels want to hear.
Your darn right I am afraid, I am afraid that many will not see thru this smokescreen because they think that Bush is now running again as the media has portrayed it and do not see the dangers ahead

[bradford]

Let them all crumble and fall into the sea for all I care. Those who bust their *** and play by the rules are gonna get to foot the bill for those who have zero equity in anything and party like a rock star while waiting for the mailman to deliver them their next government check. This treasonous government propping them all up will allow our country, way of life, and value of our dollar slowly deflate in the next few years untill it is worth jack. I say let all insolvent corporations, banks, and individuals fall flat on their face, let the strong survive, and the really hard times will be over in a few years.

"Just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you." :beer:

[parishht]

I still believe that our country was founded on checks and balances.
That being said, I will be voting for Mccain and just for the reason that Willy laid out.

My feeling is that Obama will sell us out to the rest of the world,
talk about a new world order, how about world socialism, with the U.S. footing even
more of the bill than we are already.

[LESTERUS]

Willy:

This is the typical case of a "sweet talker" that the media falls in love with, and the media goes to extremes to get the guy elected, no matter what. When i was in school i hated hystory, like most of us, but now i realized how important it is. If you want examples of "sweet talker" and complcent media, look at fidel castro in cuba, whom got international recognition when herbert mathews from the "new york times" turned him into a modern "robin hood" , and most recently, look at chavez in venezuela.

Now, some people will tell you, "oh, that is not going to happen here!" but i remember when people in cuba used to say: The u.s is not going to allow a comunist country 90 miles away from their shores!" and look, 50 years after
castro still there.

Unfortunatedly, the man is the only animal that stumble with the same stone twice!!!!

[Blue_Runner]

Get ready boyz...coming atcha from the left (not the far left mind you) ....and its going to be long winded and I apologize for that in advance:beer: If you don't have much time just read the last sentence :cen:

When it comes down to the 3 most important things to me, its a clear choice who should be president.

Here they are in order of importance:

1) Economy
2) War on "terror"
3) Dependance on foreign oil

I don't care that McCain left his first wife b/c she got disfigured or that Obama went to a church and had a pastor who preached crazy chit. These are all partisan attacks that divert us from the issues. This isn't a personality contest (or is it?). Just because someone is a war hero doesn't mean they know how to solve the problems of the world.

These are the 3 that I believe the Democratic ticket will act on in a more positive way than the other Republicans.

Speaking of a lack of knowledge of foreign affairs, McCain and his vast military experience and knowledge believed Iraq would be a "relatively easy" victory attainable in "a very short amount of time." If you don't call that out of touch I just don't know what to call it. :head:
Especially armed with the hindsight of his participation and heroic efforts in Vietnam - which he still doesn't think Vietnam was a mistake by the way..... raise your hand if you think Vietnam was a positive experience for the US - do I get any takers on that? Thank God my dad made it back from that quagmire or I would not be here. And trust me he almost didn't.

I believe the cost of so-called victory in Iraq outwieghs the benefits. Is it attainable? No one knows for sure. If it is attainable how long and how many lives would be lost? McCain summed it up nicely at the end of the debate last night. It is something we don't know. I think we should go after a real victory and that is targeting the terrorists no matter where they are.

Energy - Palin's husband works for an oil company. We need to do away with these conflicts of interest for a while. Especially at a time when a great deal of emphasis needs to be put on changing our entire fuel infrastructure and way of thinking when it comes to how we get from place to place. Obama has lofty goals to get it done in 10 years as I'm sure you've heard him say. How easy it is to sit back and say "impossible" but just look at history. Where we were 100 years ago. The advancements we've made in 100 years are down right phenomenal. I'll say it again PHENOMENAL. Change starts with somebody who has big goals and is focused on accomplishing those goals. I don't get the warm fuzzies that McCain the military man and Palin who feeds her family with a paycheck from an oil company will do much for our long term energy crisis - other than put it off on the next generation to deal with. And "my friends" by then it will be too late.

What we should be doing is identifying the most important issues on our minds, listening to their proposals and deciding who will do the best job.

I still love you guys.....and I'd take a bullet for any one of ya....but your all eratic, out of control and downright dangerous. LOL :haha:

[willy]

I love ya too Blue, don't know about the bullet thing though.
I understand your need for change, I need it too. But the version of what you have posted is quite frankly what is the standard talking points the obama campaign, and frankly the media wants you to believe.
If you want change put in someone with a track record of bucking big government, of bucking big oil, of trying to prevent the home mortgage debacle, of someone who will do the right thing, something we can afford for the medical insurance problem.
Instead you want to put in someone who has voted to raise your taxes across the board in every oppurtunity he has had. Someone who tell Blue what he wants to hear and goes to your buddy in Virginia what he wants to hear. Energy, we need a lot more than a vague plan of government sponsored solar and wind development and your candidate has been one of the leaders in the dem party that has prevented this country from building one single new refinery in the past 34 years, dead against nuclear [pwer inspite of his recent statement in the debates, he has voted consistently to block off shore drilling and stated p;oint blank when gas was over 4 dollars a gallon that it should be higher and will be, then the people will stop using so much, he was only surprised it went up that quick.
He has proposed close to a trillion dollars in new spending, and he has told everyone he is only going to tax 5% of the people to get it.
His government take over by decree of the health care industry is another expansion you will be giving the feds, so that they can run it as effieciently as they have all those other gov run programs that are bankrupting our country.
The Wall St. Journal put together his official policies and figured that if he was to get half of what he wants done the free market in this country will collapse under the weight of the current crisis along with the tax burden on the people that are creating the jobs in this country.
To add insult to injury he tries to put a good spin lying thru his teeth about his disdain for our tropps and the military in general but what he has said, recently is disgusting and he should be flogged for it,
So if you want change why not go with someone who is 100% for out troops and who will reduce the governments expansion in our lives and stop this Orwellian snowball we have been witnessing the past two decades, why not put someone who will put forward a energy policy taking all of what resources and technology offers to reduce this huge deficit we experience in this country. And someone who will support our troops and remove them in a honorable way, Someone who will not refer to them as aerators of villages and killers of civilians. But do the job right and bring them home in the way American Soldiers should be brought home.

[reelapeelin]

Get ready boyz...coming atcha from the left (not the far left mind you) ....and its going to be long winded and I apologize for that in advance:beer: If you don't have much time just read the last sentence :cen:

When it comes down to the 3 most important things to me, its a clear choice who should be president.

Here they are in order of importance:

1) Economy
2) War on "terror"
3) Dependance on foreign oil

I don't care that McCain left his first wife b/c she got disfigured or that Obama went to a church and had a pastor who preached crazy chit. These are all partisan attacks that divert us from the issues. This isn't a personality contest (or is it?). Just because someone is a war hero doesn't mean they know how to solve the problems of the world.

These are the 3 that I believe the Democratic ticket will act on in a more positive way than the other Republicans.

Speaking of a lack of knowledge of foreign affairs, McCain and his vast military experience and knowledge believed Iraq would be a "relatively easy" victory attainable in "a very short amount of time." If you don't call that out of touch I just don't know what to call it. :head:
Especially armed with the hindsight of his participation and heroic efforts in Vietnam - which he still doesn't think Vietnam was a mistake by the way..... raise your hand if you think Vietnam was a positive experience for the US - do I get any takers on that? Thank God my dad made it back from that quagmire or I would not be here. And trust me he almost didn't.

I believe the cost of so-called victory in Iraq outwieghs the benefits. Is it attainable? No one knows for sure. If it is attainable how long and how many lives would be lost? McCain summed it up nicely at the end of the debate last night. It is something we don't know. I think we should go after a real victory and that is targeting the terrorists no matter where they are.

Energy - Palin's husband works for an oil company. We need to do away with these conflicts of interest for a while. Especially at a time when a great deal of emphasis needs to be put on changing our entire fuel infrastructure and way of thinking when it comes to how we get from place to place. Obama has lofty goals to get it done in 10 years as I'm sure you've heard him say. How easy it is to sit back and say "impossible" but just look at history. Where we were 100 years ago. The advancements we've made in 100 years are down right phenomenal. I'll say it again PHENOMENAL. Change starts with somebody who has big goals and is focused on accomplishing those goals. I don't get the warm fuzzies that McCain the military man and Palin who feeds her family with a paycheck from an oil company will do much for our long term energy crisis - other than put it off on the next generation to deal with. And "my friends" by then it will be too late.

What we should be doing is identifying the most important issues on our minds, listening to their proposals and deciding who will do the best job.

I still love you guys.....and I'd take a bullet for any one of ya....but your all eratic, out of control and downright dangerous. LOL :haha:


Well said, BR...and let me just add how difficult it is to trust someone who WINKS at you when they're tryin' to convince you of something...if that's down-home, it's down-home BULLCHIT!!...and remember Bush's plan with McCain support to invest in the stock market instead of fixin' social security...boy, what a working-man's plan that was...

This ain't a Dem vs Rep thing...just right vs wrong...there's baggage in both camps...I'm takin' the road least like Bush Blvd... the one we know doesn't work...the one that's FAILED miserably at every turn...the money you go out and work for every day is worth FAR less than it was 8 years ago...devalued dollars don't deserve votes...

[willy]

we posted the same time brother, see above

[THEFERMANATOR]

You know, everybody keeps ranting "change". My question is "Change for what"? Change can be a good thing, but it can also be a BAD thing! Not all change is good. My main concern is all of the people playing the blame game and looking to the government to fix it. As everybody does this, they slowly give more and more of there control over to said government because the people no longer want there responsibility. Before you know it we are a socialist country where everybody is the same, BROKE AND PISSED!

Remember this come my birthday, NOVEMBER 4th(I sure hope I get the present I WANT that day).

[reelapeelin]

You know, everybody keeps ranting "change". My question is "Change for what"? Change can be a good thing, but it can also be a BAD thing! Not all change is good. My main concern is all of the people playing the blame game and looking to the government to fix it. As everybody does this, they slowly give more and more of there control over to said government because the people no longer want there responsibility. Before you know it we are a socialist country where everybody is the same, BROKE AND PISSED!

Remember this come my birthday, NOVEMBER 4th(I sure hope I get the present I WANT that day).

The change I want will require a 3rd party that's more interested in practical solutions to the problems we face and truly conservative spending of our tax dollars...no earmarks, no lobbyists, no add-ons to bills before congress...and anyone practicing politics in government would be FIRED on the spot!!...:cen:

[THEFERMANATOR]

The change I want will require a 3rd party that's more interested in practical solutions to the problems we face and truly conservative spending of our tax dollars...no earmarks, no lobbyists, no add-ons to bills before congress...and anyone practicing politics in government would be FIRED on the spot!!...:cen:

That sounds like my definition of it as well. This is why I wanted RON PAUL to run, he believes in government at it's smallest and simplest form.

[bradford]

The change I want will require a 3rd party that's more interested in practical solutions to the problems we face and truly conservative spending of our tax dollars...no earmarks, no lobbyists, no add-ons to bills before congress...and anyone practicing politics in government would be FIRED on the spot!!...:cen:


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[Blue_Runner]

Come on Willy you know you'd take a bullet for me :sun:
Really, I was trying to make a funny aobut the SNL spoof when the Biden character talks about McCain!! In case you didn't get it. Good stuff!

Peace and Chicken grease fellers

[LESTERUS]

Dear blue:

Coming at you from the far rigth (i lived in cuba for the first 24 year of my live and i know what the "left" is, far left and near left) so i consider myself in the furthest posible form the "left".

The presidency of the united states is not about education, you can be a lawyer, a doctor or an engineer and still not be qualified to be president, it is all about caracter, (example: Ronald reagan) and it is from this point of view that i can't disregard the fact that barack obama associated himself with these people, like farrakan , wrigth etc. When you sit during 20 years listening to a guy that preaches racial hate and extreme views, is because somehow you agree with it, because if you don't you stand up and leave, like i did in fiu when i had american born professors trying to give lesson about how good the cuban system is. This is what i question: His caracter.

As to the economy, barack obama is not an expert in economy (as far as i know, but proof me wrong) , nothing on his pedigree indicates that
furthermore his advisors on economics were the head of fanny mae and freddie mack.

I don't see either how obama is qualified to lead us in the war on terror, unless he's taking advise from bill eirs who was a terrorist on his younger years.

As for the "dependency" on foreign oil i don't see how either mc cain or obama
will solve that since there is no alternative, but build more nuclear plants,
proyect that, by the way, is been blocked in by democ-rats in congress for years, unless of course the put a windmill on our behind and make us fart.

[randlemanboater]

For any REAL change we would have to be able to elect a NON polititian who is unencumbered by big money donors . Unfortunately, our system doesn't work that way any more......if it ever did.


I am writting in Willy for Prez, Reel for VP.....now thats a balanced ticket.