sand & paint bottom

[hardboiled]

Hello here.
People i need someone to guide me, which tools do i need to Sand the boat bottom and remove the bad paint. Is Gelcoat better than paint? can i remove this paint and add gelcoat over it and how i do it?

please I need step by step guide on how to do this and the tools i need to buy, thanks you all

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[tsubaki]

To a point, Marine Tex would be the way to go in order to finish from clear looking fiberglass even if you are going to put bottom paint on the boat.
To a point being small or short area's easily wiped with a squeege and sanded or water sanded and buffed for finish.
Yes gelcoat would be better than paint but Marine Tex is a good inbetween solution.
Better pictures of the damage might be the deciding factor.

[tsubaki]

Being there is that much damage, you will spend a fortune on Marine Tex.
Do like FERM said in the other thread.
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/community/showthread.php?t=10298&page=5
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[hardboiled]

I will fix the damage but besides that which type of tools do i need to have, like sand type and tools

Do you know of any special liquid to remove the bottom paint without needing to sand it, cause the gelcoat under the paint looks good and shiny and also if there is anything to make the gelcoat shine like new again without the need to paint, please let me know

Marine tex cost alot, i think i will use Gelcoat powder mixed with resin

[Stillrunning]

I will fix the damage but besides that which type of tools do i need to have, like sand type and tools

Do you know of any special liquid to remove the bottom paint without needing to sand it, cause the gelcoat under the paint looks good and shiny and also if there is anything to make the gelcoat shine like new again without the need to paint, please let me know

Marine tex cost alot, i think i will use Gelcoat powder mixed with resin

An orbital sander like a 5 inch porta cable at lowes or HD would work fine for sanding. If it was me I would sand off the rest of the bottom paint and use a barrier coat type paint on the bottom. That way if you danaged the gel coat in anyway from sanding it will seal the fiberglass.

[macojoe]

When I did mine I sanded and used resin and cloth to add to the bottom, this added back the material that was lost and sealed the bottom.
Sanded nice and since my boat was painted I just repainted.

I agree with above, you must seal it before you add gelcoat or anything else.

Good Luck

[CaptJJ]

Did mine the same way as you MJ, resin and cloth. Been about 4 yrs now no problems. Made it smooth then added bottom paint. Can't tell at all.

[hardboiled]

People i started sanding the bottom paint with a 220grit sand!? is this ok?

Now after i finish removing all, which paint i need to buy? How many coats do i need to add and do i have to use a primer or something like a gelcoat barrier and where do buy these stuff?

Please if someone can give me exact detail of each product i need to buy or if there is an easy guide online let me know. thanks alot

[hardboiled]

Where i can find some cheap roll of plastic to put around the boat to stop the dust spreading around the houses?

[tsubaki]

You can use it to store the boat under when you're done, one of the portable canopys would work as a paint booth. The ones from Sams Club has sides, usually around $200.
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=102443
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Careful about the accumulation of fumes while you're in there, wouldn't suggest a fan either. Just spray a section, let the vapors settle then do another section.

[hardboiled]

Nice canopy i will have in mind to see if i can get it.
Just now i separate the trailer from the boat to prepare things up.

I need to replace several rust parts on the trailer and i need an economic place to buy the parts from, like the 8 Vertical Bunk Brackets and a few square U-bolts, also i will need some tires.

[msbhammer]

My bottom was in the same condition. I used West system and then painted the bottom
with barrier coat and with black bottom coat.

[hardboiled]

My bottom was in the same condition. I used West system and then painted the bottom
with barrier coat and with black bottom coat.

How much did it cost all the products you used.
Im starting sanding the bottom, then about the Barrier coat and black bottom coat which one do you apply first and how many coats do you add. I dont have experience on this at all so i need to know exact steps

[hardboiled]

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[macojoe]

Don't ask hammer, he has to paint 3 tikes before he got it right!!:you:

[hardboiled]

i sanded a little bit on the front, still alot more
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[msbhammer]

Hnnn, I think MJ is right. I now do remember doing alot of painting. : ) on my V hull.
But dont worry, its not hard to do and not that much. Look at my gallery, I think I have a few before and after pics.
As far as all the nicks, dings, and chunks missing out of the bottom, easy fix. Go to West Marine and get some West system, cloth. Sand with 80 grit. Mix the West system, brush some on the hull and also wet the cloth with west system as well and apply. Its easy to use.
Once dry, sand fine. Sand the entire hull down with 80 git. Also use a dewaxer.
Barrier coating is a two part mix. I put four coats on my hull. But two should be fine.
Bottom paint within a day or two. If you dont, you will have to lightly sand thehull again.

West System kit and cloth. 100.00
Barrier coat. 80 bucks a kit.
Bottom paint 150.00
Keep us posted on your progress.
Any other help, email me and I will call ya.
Best of luck. If I can do it, you can as well.
Hammer.

[hardboiled]

How many Quarts of paint i gonna need for this bottom, 4 Quarts?

Lets say i add 4 coats of paint, i found this Rustoleum Bottom paint but cost $30 a Quart, so it isnt cheap

[msbhammer]

NO !!, use boat bottom paint. If ya gonna keep it on a trailer, they have boat trailer bottom paint. The paint doesnt come off like anti fouling paint. Thats the paint that wears off every season. One gallon of black bottom paint should just be enough.
The barrier coat primer paint comes in a kit. You should get two coats on with one kit.
Nice V, Looks like mine before I did all the work to it. Dont give up. Keep working on it and post Pics.

[msbhammer]

How much you pay for the V ??? What year ?? 86 ??

[hardboiled]

I pay $1000 for it with damage engine block, year 86'

Im going to keep the Boat always in trailer so what do you suggest best for paint? I need the cheapest i can get & where do i buy it?

[msbhammer]

I bought my paint at West Marine. They can offer you you the trailer hull bottom paint.
I do know that the price of paint did go up. Be prepaired to pay about $150.00.
Your V looks likes mine, before I changed it over. She's a good V you have there.

[macojoe]

so what do you suggest best for paint? I need the cheapest i can get & where do i buy it? Just so you know, Cheapest and Best in the boating world are never to be used in the same sentence!!!

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[hardboiled]

I found these bottom paints, please someone suggest me one of these.

I need it for today if possible.
http://www.wholesalemarine.com/p/ILX-V127KITG/
$144
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http://www.wholesalemarine.com/p/PET-1218Q/
1Gall $117
http://www.wholesalemarine.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/PET-1218Q_med.jpg
http://www.wholesalemarine.com/p/ILX-060Q/
1Gall $187
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Also to remember i am not keeping the boat on water, always will be on a trailer. I Need help deciding cause i am lost on these paints things

[spareparts]

those paints are for leaving the boat in the water for extended periods of time. I prefer Awlcraft 2000 for paint, its simular to most 2 part polyurathanes, you can spray or roller it(i prefer to spray), you can spot repair it as well, unlike regular Awlgrip

[whale]

FYI, if you take a competitors price into West Marine with proof they will match it on same product. I take the Defender catalogue in....might be OK to take an online printout too. Like everything at West, it is more expensive than you can find elsewhere but for many people it is convenient to go to West (2 miles away for me).