View Full Version : so who are you voting for
THEFERMANATOR
08-26-2008, 11:04 PM
Thought this one was pretty good.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271/THEFERMANATOR/Republican20Truck.jpg
CaptJJ
08-27-2008, 05:41 AM
Nice truck slogan and even license plate, that about sums up how I feel. 
Vote McCain!!!!! 
NO NO NO Obama/Biden/Clinton! Bring back the old USA! One flag, where people work for a living, respect one another and speak english (my parents had to learn it and they didn't complain about it either).:beer:
 
nice joke by the way Ferm, cannibals HA!
 
Vote McCain!!!!
LESTERUS
08-27-2008, 01:36 PM
Dear Friends: 
My name is Joe Porter. I live in Champaign, Illinois. I'm 46 years old, a born-again Christian, a husband, a father, a small business owner, a veteran, and a homeowner. I don't consider myself to be either conservative or liberal, and I vote for the person, not Republican or Democrat. I don't believe there are "two Americas" - but that every person in this country can be whomever and whatever they want to be if they'll just work to get there - and nowhere else on earth can they find such opportunities. I believe our government should help those who are legitimately downtrodden, and should always put the interests of America first.
 
The purpose of this message is that I'm concerned about the future of this great nation. I'm worried that the silent majority of honest, hard-working, tax-paying people  in this country have been passive for too long. Most folks I know choose not to involve themselves in politics. They go about their daily lives, paying their bills, raising  their kids, and doing what they can to maintain the good life. They vote and consider doing so to be a sacred trust. They shake their heads at the political pundits and so-called "news", thinking that what they hear is always spun by whomever is reporting it. They can't understand how elected officials can regularly violate the public trust with pork barrel spending. They don't want government handouts. They want the government to protect them, not raise their taxes for more government programs.
 
We are in the unique position in this country of electing our leaders. It's a privilege to do so. I've never found a candidate in any election with whom I agreed on everything. I'll wager that most of us don't even agree with our families or spouses 100% of the time. So when I step into that voting booth, I always try to look at the big picture and cast my vote for the man or woman who is best qualified for the job. I've hired a lot of people in my lifetime, and essentially that's what an election is - a hiring process. Who has the credentials? Whom do I want working for me? Whom can I trust to do the job right? 
 
I'm concerned that a growing number of voters in this country simply don't get it. They are caught up in a fervor they can't explain, and calling it "change".
 
Change what?, I ask.
 
Well, we're going to change America, they say.
 
In what way?, I query.
 
We want someone new and fresh in the White House, they exclaim.
 
So, someone who's not a politician?, I press.
 
Uh, well, no, we just want a lot of stuff changed, so we're voting for Obama, they state.
 
So the current system, the system of freedom and democracy that has enabled a man to grow up in this great country, get a fine education, raise incredible amounts of money and dominate the news and win his party's nomination for the White House - that system's all wrong?
 
No, no, that part of the system's okay - we just need a lot of change.
 
And so it goes. "Change we can believe in." Quite frankly, I don't believe that vague proclamations of change hold any promise for me. In recent months, I've been asking virtually everyone I encounter how they're voting. I live in Illinois, so most folks tell me they're voting for Barack Obama. But no one can really tell me why - only that he's going to change a lot of stuff. Change, change, change. I have yet to find one single person who can tell me distinctly and convincingly why this man is qualified to be President and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation on earth
- other than the fact that he claims he's going to implement a lot of change.
 
We've all seen the emails about Obama's genealogy, his upbringing, his Muslim background, and his church affiliations. Let's ignore this for a moment. Put it all aside. Then ask yourself, what qualifies this man to be my president? That he's a brilliant orator and talks about change?
 
CHANGE WHAT?
 
Friends, I'll be forthright with you - I believe the American voters who are supporting Barack Obama don't have a clue what they're doing, as evidenced by the fact that not one of them - NOT ONE of them I've spoken to can spell out his qualifications. Not even the most liberal media can explain why he should be elected.   Political experience?  Negligible. Foreign relations? Non-existent. Achievements? Name one. Someone who wants to unite the country? If you haven't read his wife's thesis from Princeton, look it up on the web. This is who's lining up to be our next First Lady? The only thing I can glean from Obama's constant harping about change is that we're in for a lot of new taxes.
 
For me, the choice is clear. I've looked carefully at the two leading applicants for the job, and I've made my choice.
 
Here's a question - where were you five and a half years ago? Around Christmas, 2002. You've had five or six birthdays in that time. My son has grown from a sixth grade child to a high school graduate. Five and a half years is a good chunk of time. About 2,000 days. 2,000 nights of sleep. 6, 000 meals, give or take.
 
John McCain spent that amount of time, from 1967 to 1973, in a North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.
 
When offered early release, he refused it. He considered this offer to be a public relations stunt by his captors, and insisted that those held longer than he should be released first. Did you get that part? He was offered his freedom, and he turned it down. A regimen of beatings and torture began.
 
Do you possess such strength of character? Locked in a filthy cell in a foreign country, would you turn down your own freedom in favor of your fellow man? I submit that's a quality of character that is rarely found, and for me, this singular act defines John McCain.
 
Unlike several presidential candidates in recent years whose military service is questionable or non-existent, you will not find anyone to denigrate the integrity and moral courage of this man. A graduate of Annapolis, during his Naval service he received the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. His own son is now serving in the Marine Corps in Iraq. Barack Obama is fond of saying "We honor John McCain's service...BUT...", which to me is condescending and offensive - because what I hear is, "Let's forget this man's sacrifice for his country and his proven leadership abilities, and talk some more about change."
 
I don't agree with John McCain on everything - but I am utterly convinced that he is qualified to be our next President, and I trust him to do what's right. I know in my heart that he has the best interests of our country in mind. He doesn't simply want to be President - he wants to lead America, and there's a huge difference. 
 
Factually, there is simply no comparison between the two candidates. A man of questionable background and motives who prattles on about change can't hold a candle to a man who has devoted his life in public service to this nation, retiring from the Navy in 1981 and elected to the Senate in 1982.
 
Perhaps Obama's supporters are taking a stance between old and new. Maybe they don't care about McCain's service or his strength of character, or his unblemished qualifications to be President. Maybe "likeability" is a higher priority for them than trust". Being a prisoner of war is not what qualifies John McCain to be President of the United States of America - but his demonstrated leadership certainly DOES.
 
Dear friends, it is time for us to stand. It is time for thinking Americans to say, "Enough." It is time for people of all parties to stop following the party line.  It is time for anyone who wants to keep America first, who wants the right man leading their nation, to start a dialogue with all their
friends and neighbors and ask who they're voting for, and why.
 
There's a lot of evil in this world. That should be readily apparent to all of us by now. And when faced with that evil as we are now, I want a man who knows the cost of war on his troops and on his citizens. I want a man who puts my family's interests before any foreign country.
 
I want a President who's qualified to lead.
 
I want my country back, and I'm voting for John McCain.
randlemanboater
08-27-2008, 02:37 PM
wow!
overboard
08-27-2008, 04:54 PM
Well said. I am scared at how easily peaple in this country are swayed by a silk tongue. It seems as if the masses have lost all qualities of disernment. (I guess this should not be a big surprise if you just look at what is glamourized in our media.)
Once again, well said Joe.
lumberslinger178
08-27-2008, 05:04 PM
Well I am not voting for .....
 
Obama Biden Binladen....:fight:
bcmarinamanager
08-27-2008, 05:05 PM
I get a little choked up reading that. I absolutely, 100%, posetively agree. I don't particularly like Mccain, but he is, as stated, the best candidate for the job. Well said!!!!
CaptJJ
08-27-2008, 07:08 PM
Nicely put Lesterus.
Mac_Attack
08-27-2008, 08:49 PM
Just because a man has spent time in a prisoner of war camp, doesn't make him qualified to run the US.  Just because a man has 7 houses doesn't qualify him either.  Just because a man has backed Bush on everything doesn't qualify him either.  I don't like either candidate but we do need change not four more years of Bush!  Obama is my choice of the two.  What ever you do vote don't let the supreme court pick our leader again!  Billy Mac
nipper
08-28-2008, 07:04 AM
Mac, I am with you.  Obama may be just a silk tongue to some, but he is incredibly smart, and will (and has) surrounded himself with some of the finest minds in the nation.  Thank god we will soon be on our way to peace, prosperity and respect from the nations of the world.
randlemanboater
08-28-2008, 07:26 AM
First of all, I am not bashing or stirring.  I have not decided for who I will vote......not that it matters with the Electoral College anyway.
 
I was listening to an interview on the radio the other day, the lady asked Senator Obama about his economic stimulous plan, to give $1000 tax rebate to couples.
 
She asked him how it would be paid for, he basically said that it would pay for itself through taxes collected on the money handed out.  (I think it was on NPR about a month ago)
 
I am not very astute in such dealings, but that plan seems a little flawed.......what do yall think?
willy
08-28-2008, 10:27 AM
Mac and Nipper, with all respect to the opinions of others and especially to my friends here, I think you missed the point of that long post.
No one is saying being a POW qualifies someone to be president.
The point is that what you did, and how you lead up to that point, what you did and how you conduct yourself while you were a POW, under that incredibule, unbelievable stress and pain says a great deal about who you are and the incredible courage and compassion you have for your fellow man.
Also, McCain as a US. Senator for 23 years has been a royal pain in the *** for the republicans as a maverick, and your comment about being a 100% Bush supporter is way off the mark. Even the liberal media has stated that many times, grudgingly!
Change is being used as a marketing slogan and many are falling for it. As Lesterus post says most do not know why, just that they are disatisfied with the current situation.
Fine, me too. As a matter of fact I don't think you will find any one who is.
But the comment that Obama has surronded himself with the best minds is so far from the facts, so far from the truth that he has spent the past two years literally destroying records, secreting records and dodging questions and LYING about those he has surronded himself with all his adult life.
He is a standard chicago mob politico who is slickly packaged and lying thru his teeth with a big ear to ear smile and a great many good people are so upset with the current malaise they either don't care they are being duped or just don't know. 
And the major media is trying to get him elected at all costs because they long for his socialist vision of America. They have lost all semblance of journalism they ever had and even half the leaders of the democratic party are infuriated with them, actually call it out right embarrassing.
 
Think hard this november when you pull the lever, if bend over and grab your anckles is the kind of change you want for yourself and your children go ahead and select the annointed one. 
McCain is not perfect I agree, never found a perfect one. But he is an honorable man with good judgement, proven leadership and compassion and experience in the world that Obama cannot even pronounce, let alone claim to have. And please don't fall into the marketing trap that has been set up for everyone to believe that it will be four more years of Bush. Check his voting record, I have, he is called a maverick for a reason.
Franco
08-28-2008, 10:27 AM
Check this out fellas
 
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/Flafranco/22693995.jpg
 
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/22665562
LESTERUS
08-28-2008, 11:54 AM
Yes, Most Of Those "finnest" Minds Were Behind Jimmy Carter
LESTERUS
08-28-2008, 12:02 PM
Bottom Line Is: I'm Doing The Hiring For The #1 Federal Job In America, In Front Of Me I Have 2 Resumes, Without Picture, I'dont Know Eitther Of The Applicants,
But One Has 24 Years Of Experience On The Job, Has Voted Very Often With His Concience, Rather Than With His Party, The Other Has 2 Years On The Job And Nothing To Account For. Who Would You Choose?
THEFERMANATOR
08-28-2008, 01:13 PM
Bottom Line Is: I'm Doing The Hiring For The #1 Federal Job In America, In Front Of Me I Have 2 Resumes, Without Picture, I'dont Know Eitther Of The Applicants,
But One Has 24 Years Of Experience On The Job, Has Voted Very Often With His Concience, Rather Than With His Party, The Other Has 2 Years On The Job And Nothing To Account For. Who Would You Choose?
Actually the other one only had 173 days of experience before he announced his candidacy, one hundred and seventy three days! It was less than 100 days before he announced his intentions to be POTUS that he himself said he didn't have enough experience to be POTUS. The wonderful liberal media helped to motivate him, and the party seen him as there savior. His own words helped me to decide that I will NOT EVER vote for him. His own words were "We live in the greates country in the world, now help me change it". If that don't scare the HE!! out of you, then I feel the USA is in ALOT worse condition than I ever feared.
nipper
08-28-2008, 01:20 PM
I knew I should not have opened my big mouth.
tsubaki
08-28-2008, 01:21 PM
You know, some how I feel like I've already cast my vote for this election, reason being, the vote went my way for a change.
SHE'S OUT, DONE, KAPUT. Or God, at least I hope so!!
cterrebonne
08-28-2008, 01:31 PM
respect from the nations of the world.
not always whats popular is right and gets respect. IMO the last thing i want to be a european, main reason why my ancestors fled europe.
THEFERMANATOR
08-28-2008, 01:33 PM
not always whats popular is right and gets respect. IMO the last thing i want to be a european, main reason why my ancestors fled europe.
Besides, I thought we fought a big war to run them back across the big pond.
nymack66
08-28-2008, 01:40 PM
Here is my thought on this whole issue from an open-minded person.
I basally look at an election, as an opportunity to change or not to change the course a country is on.
Ray Charles can see we are on a path if not corrected will change us to third world nation before you know it.
We need something, and you can word it any way one likes change, direction whatever.
Simple question and simple solution, if you feel we are on a correct course today than eight years ago vote your conscience.
If you are better off today than eight years ago vote your conscience.
Voting seems to divide us why?
Different thinking is the same reason all of us are not millionaires who will tell us apart?
Always vote for what’s right for this great country.
After the election we still be V’s owners and drinking Beer! 
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND WE WILL PREVAIL NO MATTER WHO WINS!
Ps:
I am a registered Democrat who voted Democratic only twice, the rest was what was right for the country.
Mac_Attack
08-28-2008, 01:42 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/mccain-voted-with-bush-10_n_103718.html
cterrebonne
08-28-2008, 01:51 PM
Besides, I thought we fought a big war to run them back across the big pond.
yeah you right, to prove how the britts arent good at finance, they royal govt still is paying out interest payments via perpetual annuities from the war of 1812.
THEFERMANATOR
08-28-2008, 01:52 PM
I may be one of the few who feels that BUSH has actually not been that bad of a POTUS. The POTUS doesn't have complete control like many believe he does, he is more of a figure in the overall scheme of things. The CONGRESS is the puppeteer, and since it went to the D's we have been on a downward spiral IMO. The problem I see here is that what makes everybody happy isn't neccesarily the right thing. Too many out there are going along with there blinders on and are looking for a fall guy to blame rather than to put the responsibilty where it belongs. I personally don't see how we can afford OBAMA and his plans, but I also don't agree with much of MC CAINS either. Out of the two though, MC CAIN is by far the clear choice. I personally feel that RON PAUL could have done wonders for us as a nation, but he doesn't appeal to the masses. Too many out there have come to expect the government troiugh to feed from, and until that ends things will not change no matter who is POTUS.
cterrebonne
08-28-2008, 02:07 PM
I may be one of the few who feels that BUSH has actually not been that bad of a POTUS. The POTUS doesn't have complete control like many believe he does, he is more of a figure in the overall scheme of things. The CONGRESS is the puppeteer, and since it went to the D's we have been on a downward spiral IMO. The problem I see here is that what makes everybody happy isn't neccesarily the right thing. Too many out there are going along with there blinders on and are looking for a fall guy to blame rather than to put the responsibilty where it belongs. I personally don't see how we can afford OBAMA and his plans, but I also don't agree with much of MC CAINS either. Out of the two though, MC CAIN is by far the clear choice. I personally feel that RON PAUL could have done wonders for us as a nation, but he doesn't appeal to the masses. Too many out there have come to expect the government troiugh to feed from, and until that ends things will not change no matter who is POTUS.
i agree with you, they blame bush because its easier to point the finger to one person than to blame many others. Plus he isnt a great public speaker so that makes him an easier target.
bradford
08-28-2008, 02:08 PM
I plead the 5th on all of the above.
parishht
08-28-2008, 02:38 PM
I just keep thinking of a book thta I was required to read in high school
during the 70's, it even was a TV movie and I feel it still should be required reading.
The story is called "The Wave" and I believe it is a true story about a teacher
that wanted to show how Hitler was able to come to power with a silver tongue.
 
I am not calling any candidate a Hitler, but what I am saying is that there are
a lot of sheep that follow blindly into slaughter without finding out the true facts.
There are a number of countries where this has happened and is currently happening.
I would hate to see the U.S. go in that direction,
all it would take is a few constitutional amandments and then we are sunk.
overboard
08-28-2008, 03:40 PM
This thread (as long as it stays civil) is one of the reasons that our country is so great. We need to have different opinions and we need to be openly discussing them in a respectful manner.
:beer:
nymack66
08-28-2008, 04:05 PM
This thread (as long as it stays civil) is one of the reasons that our country is so great. We need to have different opinions and we need to be openly discussing them in a respectful manner.
:beer:
Amen to that..
willy
08-28-2008, 04:14 PM
Mac that article in the Huffington Post was misleading to say the least, first of all the Pelosi led congress has refused to allow bills to the floor which McCain would have voted for because of the election year. In fact read the summary of the 2007 2008 congressional record. Their whole record was fraught with bills and planned negative votes and vetoes to do one thing and one thing only, get a dem in the whitehouse in 2008, where they would have absolute power to do whatever their agenda is. That agenda is a european socialist style state. Government control and intervention in every aspect of our lives and buisnesses. Don't believe that do research even on the annointed ones site and see what he is proposing and has proposed for us all. 
McCain has stood by the PRESIDENT, the Commander in Chief, in times of War, he did not agree with how the war was being initially conducted and was one of the senators who pressured Bush into listening to the commanders on the ground and putting the troops needed there to do the job. Was the war the best thing for us, probably not. But look at Iraq now, look what our boys have done in a short time to turn it around. In the end the stability created there may be something that leads to peace in the middle east.
I say maybe, that is not because it can't happen, not because we are not militarily able to do it but because our nation is being led by a bunch of congressmen and women, along with Obamination who have made a calculated decision to place their political agenda ahead of the nations soldiers, ahead of the nations best interest to come out as victors in this war. They have referred to our troops as savages, criminals, incompetents, tried to cut off funding to the troops, led a mass campaigne to denegrate the commander in chief in times of war and showed the whole world that the congress is not behind our troops.
 
that is why McCain has to vote with the President in these matters and it was calculated to force him to do so, along with every other man and woman of concience in that house.
McCain has placed himself in a position where he has placed the fate of our troops, our country ahead of his political aspirations and is taking the heat for it.
Arguments against the war itself abound, many things are confusing and we still probably don't know the whole truth, and I certainly am not going to say it was the right thing to do looking now with hindsight what the entire congress and the president voted to do at the time based on what they had to look at then.
I will say that what happened after, the behavior of this congress, more specificaly the Obamination and the democratic leadership who controls congress has been nothing less than treason. In a better time, an earlier time when men stood up based on their principles, what is best thing for our nation, these people would have been charged with treason for the things they have said and done for personal gain.  
I don't want four more years of Bush, but I most certainly do not want any years of socialism for me and my children and if the Obamination gets into office that is exactly what you will have in short order and you will have absolutely nothing to say about it. And that is by no means a exageration.
Mac_Attack
08-28-2008, 04:47 PM
Willy this what makes the USA great, open discussion.  As far as getting us out of Irac, it's going to happen, no matter who is elected.  Irac's leaders don't want us there after 2011.  Even GW sees the writting on the wall and has changed his position on this.
tsubaki
08-28-2008, 05:23 PM
willy, you're typing too long.
willy
08-28-2008, 05:53 PM
I don't want to be there any longer than needed either, as has been said in the past our nation has fought for people all over this globe and has never once asked for more ground than needed to bury its dead.
In spite of what the socialist party and the major media would have you believe this country has a great soul, it has great heart and the people of this country would not have it any other way. 
But we are also the great experiment in all of history. Our nation was founded by men with the desire to be free of a overbearing government and fashioned the most incredible document in history to ensure it stays that way. 
The only way this nation of free thinking, free living men and women can lose it is if we vote it out.
In Washington right now, in media centers all over this country, in Universities where the minds of our young are being formed people like Bill Ayers are professors, pastors like you know who in chicago are preaching, people like Ted Turner are running massive media and Pelosi (Pelosi of all people) are running congress and they are being bank rolled by megalopisis billionairs like George Soros and his multiple denomination organizations to do one thing and one thing only, to change this country, and what they want to change it to is exactly what this nation was founded to prevent. Exactly what was abhorrent to free thinking men and women. 
The Obamination is the puppet of these people, he has assosiated himself for his entire adult life with these people and has been denying knowledge, assosiation and outright full integration with them.
Right now, this very minute there is a Senior Fellow of the Ethics in Politics Group, a Harvard graduate and a very well respected journalist who has made an entire carreer of accurate research and thoughtfull writing being blackballed, shows he has been on being flooded with emails and phone calls of people reading the same email just to shut down any pursuit of this information. He mearly asked what was the actual assosiation with Bill Ayers and tried to get the public record files of this man that Obama has refered to as someone who just lived in his neighborhood, who he had no real assosiation with. 
Well it turns out he has had a major assosiation with this man, had a twenty year track record with him in his organizations and was the director of Ayers organization that recieved at least 110 million dollars from a benefactor who was trying to give his money to those doing work in education. Well that 110 million has disappeared, Obama denies any knowledge and the public records being held in a library at the university have been removed because this person has asked to see them and a mob type juggernaut has decended on this man and anyone else that has asked about it.
This is exactly the kind of sh!t that scares me, this is the kind of attitude of socialists everywhere in the world, their modus operendai they employ and the Obamination is thick in the middle of it. He has been his whole life.
Denying knowledge of his twenty year pastor, his mentor, his personal friend and supporter that along with Ayers and several slum lords awaiting sentencing now in federal court is exactly what our nation should be putting in prison not electing to anything. 
When I said you will have nothing to say about it once he gets in I mean exactly that. One way or another the agenda will be followed and we are in grave trouble.
To elect scum of the earth like this, to lead the greatest nation on earth is a tragedy of epic proportions. 
There is an alternative, he is not perfect by any means and he would not have been my first choice but he is an honorable AMERICAN and can be trusted to do the right thing, even if he sees it a little different from me that is considerably better than turning our nation into a giant socialist version of San Francisco.
THEFERMANATOR
08-28-2008, 07:14 PM
I fear that to many people have fallen for his eloquence and demeanor. I would hate to think he gets to be POTUS simply for being a good salesman.
Here's a catchy diddy, not really related just funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzCUmTBPFvc&feature=related
One more can't hurt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hw549HZr7c&feature=related
Mac_Attack
08-28-2008, 07:37 PM
Willy were you not scared with Bush and his quest to take away our rights?  We need a third party that would be a blend of the two.  Billy Mac
bcmarinamanager
08-28-2008, 09:28 PM
Willy were you not scared with Bush and his quest to take away our rights?  We need a third party that would be a blend of the two.  Billy Mac
I assume you are talking about wire tapping? I have absolutley no problem with wire tapping someone that might have nothing but destruction in mind for the great people of this country. I have no fear, and nothing to hide since I have no ambitions of wide spread terror and destruction. I challenge anyone here to find any article explaining in detail what "changes" the Obamanation has planned, and the details to how he plans to inact and pay for said changes. If you slow down, rewind the DVR and really LISTEN to what he' s NOT saying, you will learn he really is saying nothing! I really would prefer not to vote for Mccain, my guy was Mike Huckabee, but he is a man of his convictions. As far as that article about Mccain voting with Bush 100% of the time, it actually says he voted with Bush for the last 8 months. "100% of the time in 2008" So 8 months over the last 8 years really isn't anything. With whom has Obama voted with???? Hardly anyone, he's spent almost half of his political career running for POTUS. And when he does vote, he votes with a congress that has done the least and has the lowest approval rating ....EVER! So if your own representatives are not doing the job you want them too, then why would a president born of them do anything better???? All I ask is for everyone to open your ears, and really HEAR what they are saying. Don't just listen to them, HEAR what they are saying. If you are true to yourself and can actually hear past what the candidates are wanting you to listen to, then you will come to understand what mac and lester have been saying so elloquintly. Vote for substance not status, someone that stays true to principles and has had nothing to hide.
And I agree about the third party. I'm a Libretarian registered as a Republican. I believe in self responsibilty and a federal government ment to protect me from foreign agressors, not inable those who take from others. As I've said before, and I'm sure you guys get tired of hearing this, but when our government is where it's at now, you can see why we went to war with Britain. Too much government taking from the masses for redistrubution to others. We aren't represented any longer by these people. I'll stop there.
nipper
08-29-2008, 07:28 AM
I agree with those who have applauded the debate going on herein, as long as it remains civil.  Willy, you make good points, and you are an informed and eloquent gentleman.  Please refrain from comments like "scum of the earth" during  your discourse.  Your points would be much more effective and perhaps you could persuade folks to vote for your candidate without such rhetoric.
nipper
08-29-2008, 07:29 AM
Did any of you Obama bashers watch the convention coverage last night?
bcmarinamanager
08-29-2008, 08:46 AM
I'll tell you what fellas, I'm too young now, but in 6 years I will put my hat in for the presidential race. I've never been arrested, or even gotten a speeding ticket. Never tried drugs. Always paid my taxes, worked all my life and came from a self made family. My father dropped out of high school and grew up on a small farm in Wallace, NC. He has owned his own copier machine sales and service business since 1985. He's not rich, I'm not rich, but I'm a very conservative person. I know right from wrong, and I can bring "change" to Washington. I will push for term limits for the house and senate, and cut the payroll in half for all federal representatives. I will also scrap the unfair health care system in place for our representatives and make them go into a health care system like everyone else in this country.(Paying thier own)  If you are on welfare, you will only draw money for a maximum of two years. If you can't get a job after two years there is something wrong with you. The IRS will be a thing of the past. The fairtax will implemented right away. I want everyone in this country to be able see where every dime is going, and who is spending it. With the fairtax, you only pay taxes on what you spend. If you make below $25,000 a year, then you pay $0 in taxes in the form of a prebate each month. 
As far as foreign afairs go, I'm taking a no holds barred approach. If any country on this planet has a problem with the way we do business, then you lose our support, money, and protection. If you can do better, then by all means go right ahead and show me, and then maybe we'll talk. If you mess with one of our allies, then you will get the full weight of pressure from this great country. Wether it's from absolute sanctions or militarially, you will know when you do something wrong. 
Capital punishment will be reinacted immediatley! If you commit any hainous crime, then you go to death row, not for 20 years, but untill the people in front of you are done. All federal prisons will be included in this too. I will follow Joe Arpairo of Arizona when it comes to prisons. 
The real power of this country will go back to the states. All money collected for any reason will only be spent on that particular project, ie social security. If you don't want to pay into it, then don't expect to draw from it. You're all adults and can fend for yourselves, better than the government can fend for you finacially at least. Medical care laws will be relaxed somewhat to allow clinics to go into places such as Walmart and Costco, etc. to make minor medical care far more affordable. Frevaless(sp?) lawsuits will be dealt with as such; if you sue someone for money, and you lose, then you incure all of their legal costs. This will make you think twice about sueing over spilled coffee that was your fault to begin with. 
These are just some of my points of action for this country. Take it or leave it, I know what is right and what is wrong. I also know how NOT to spend money, especially money that is not my own. A politician should do the same. Spend tax money as if it is coming out of your own pocket. Don't be stupid. Commonn sense will rise again some day!!
overboard
08-29-2008, 09:42 AM
You got my vote!
jjjtronics
08-29-2008, 10:49 AM
As a PuertoRican ( but US citizen ), I can not vote for the President, but with ALL DUE RESPECTS, please let me express my opinion.
Simple,
I served in the NAVY ( during first War with Iraq ), and because of that, I Solidly and Honestly believe, that The President, AKA Commander In Chief, SHALL ( if not MUST ) have military experience, period. 
UNITED STATES IS A GREAT NATION, because It takes care of business, because It does whatever It has to do to protect Its People and Freedom, and does it with a Proud and well prepared Military Force. How can the CIC, not be a Veteran ?
Can anybody be The Captain of a Ship without ever being on one ?
Mr. Obama, I`m sure he is a GREAT person.
Mr. McCain, I`m sure he is a GREAT person.
I don`t know either one, media just show ads, and I don`t even know well what is the difference between Rep. and Dem., but if I could, I will vote for McCain because he already is a Hero to me, he Served, and Served well, while we were safely at home watching TV and drinking Coke. That means a LOT to me, more than any ad can ever show or tell.
I will never, if I ever could, vote for a President that did not Serve in the Military.
Very respectfully, JT
LESTERUS
08-29-2008, 10:52 AM
Beware Of "sweet Talkers", Remember Castro And Chavez ?
willy
08-29-2008, 11:50 AM
Nipper, you are absolutely right, referring to Obama as scum of the earth was probably not the right thing to do. I am afraid that sometimes I get a little passionate, especially when my country or my family, or any innocents are about to become victims.
That is why I was one of the best darn cops you ever saw. I spent a lifetime locking up people like Obama, just they were not politically connected. 
I will try to restrrain myself in the future, and be more brief in my posts Tsubaki.
Now you all take care and comb your hair      :beer:
tsubaki
08-29-2008, 12:23 PM
I'm voting for willy, I've done got tired of the circus.
parishht
08-29-2008, 12:32 PM
Bcmarinemanager, I am sorry, but you will never get to run for president.
You have no billion dollar companies as backers.....
 
or do you.
nipper
08-29-2008, 01:55 PM
Thank you Willy.  Thank you also for your insightful comments about the candidates.  I am sure you were a fine cop, because you are certainly a fine man.
bcmarinamanager
08-29-2008, 03:50 PM
Bcmarinemanager, I am sorry, but you will never get to run for president.
You have no billion dollar companies as backers.....
 
or do you.
Trust me, as much as I absolutely LOVE my V20, if I had billionaire corps backing me up, I would own something much, much, much larger!
reelapeelin
08-30-2008, 12:59 PM
Who will I vote for?...never thought I'd say this, but I've had enough BUSH!!:nut:
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